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Is The PS2 Your Next DVD Player?

CmdrTaco posted more than 13 years ago | from the its-not-all-roses dept.

Technology 180

Si V reader writes "In the Sony PlayStation2 as a DVD Player, SE tells how to get a DVD system when you buy a PS2. They think that the DVD functionality of the PS2 is the one brilliant move Sony made in this otherwise unimpressive launch. In Japan I heard that most of the purchases were because people wanted a cheap full featured DVD." The article discusses the elitism in every industry (but specifically in home audio) and talks about the practical problems (controlling your DVD player with a remote on a wire?) to video/audio quality compared with a more expensive DVD player.

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180 comments

Wires (1)

TheBahxMan (249147) | more than 13 years ago | (#646485)

In response to the reote on a wire bit: My first VCR, purchased in the early '80s, had a remote on a wire. It's not that big a deal. Yet being the techno-hyped atmosphere in which the PS2 was released, I can almost give you my GAR-ON-TEE that before the year is out either sony or some company will market wireless controllers for the PS2. I've seen wireless keyboards and mice, I've seen wireless networking; wirelss consle controls aren't all that farfetched. A remote controlled house however...

NO PS2 for me (1)

knurr (161310) | more than 13 years ago | (#646486)

Guess what I dont want the PS2, The only thing i will use it for is a dvd, I play all my games on PC. I had a PS1 which I got as a gift, but the games i loved were on PC so the PS1 was a paper weight. Id rather get a Really good DVD player than a PS2

Aspect Ratio (1)

Dr. Sp0ng (24354) | more than 13 years ago | (#646488)

I've got a PS2, and the DVD playback works great, except that I can't figure out how to change the aspect ratio =P Everything is stretched vertically. Anybody know how to change this? On my computer's DVD decoder (Creative DXR2) it's an option in the menu, but I can't find anything in the PS2's menus...
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no VCDs? Um, so what? (2)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 13 years ago | (#646492)

That's like complaining your Athlon 1200 can't play DOS 1.0 games.

- A.P.

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* CmdrTaco is an idiot.

Re:"Unimpressive Launch"? (1)

DrDave (2161) | more than 13 years ago | (#646494)

Can anyone name any other console that received this much hype at it's launch?

The X-Box.

Sorry, it hasn't been launched yet!

The TV makes a HUGE difference (1)

KarmaChameleon (237260) | more than 13 years ago | (#646495)

I had an opportunity this weekend to perform a similiar test using my Sony WEGA XBR and a Playstation 2. I was unimpressed by the playback quality when compared to my reference player (also a Sony).

My friends and I could all see and hear differences using the Matrix and Toy Story 2. There was a couple of spots in the Matrix where it almost seemed liked the player couldn't 'keep up'. Sounds weird but I don't know how else to explain it.

Though I must say we had a blast playing those games... that is an impressive game machine and will be really interesting to play in a year or so when they nail down how to program for it :)

kc.

Yes it does. (2)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 13 years ago | (#646497)

Go buy the Component cable for $10. It just doesn't come with one since not many people will use it.

The only shot Indrema has (1)

platos_beard (213740) | more than 13 years ago | (#646500)

The only way I'm ever likely to spend a penny on a video game, is if I buy a console for its other uses -- and DVD is a big one. Inclusion of DVD playing on the PS2 is pretty much the only thing that matters to me. Playing games would be a bonus (admittedly one I'd be paying for).

That said, I'm gonna wait a while. Beside the current shortage-induced inflation of PS2 prices, Indrema offers some of the most appealing vapors that's ever wafted in my direction: DVD, DVR, web browsing with an LAN connection to my home gateway for the price of a PS2.

If Indrema has more than an ice cube's chance in hell, those non-game features why. If it materializes in a timely manner and enough people buy it for DVD, DVR, web (and free games), the market will be too large for non-free developers to ignore and maybe, just maybe, Indrema will be able to make some money and stay in business.

Re:Cheap?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#646501)

Yes, but can you get _good_ DVD players that ALSO play bleeding-edge games? The selling point is not only the dvd player, but the actual gaming system.. Let us not forget this.

Re:Actually No it's not (1)

TheBahxMan (249147) | more than 13 years ago | (#646502)

No I didn't just rip Johnny Mnemonic :D

Re:"Unimpressive Launch"? (1)

handorf (29768) | more than 13 years ago | (#646503)

How about "Unimpressive Logistics"? You've got to admit, the quantities available are somewhat... disapointing.

Combined with the impressive launch, it makes it even more sad that you can't get one!

Question for PS2 owners (2)

gorsh (75930) | more than 13 years ago | (#646504)

Does the PS2 DVD player offer a 16x9 enhanced mode for widescreen/widescreen ready TVs?

Re:Hello, join the 21st century (2)

vslashg (209560) | more than 13 years ago | (#646507)

But the "great unwashed" still own VCRs. A DVD player would be a neat toy to them, but that's it. They can still go to Blockbuster and rent the very latest releases on VHS. The fact that the great unwashed can already buy cheap DVD players doesn't mean that they will.

On the other hand, here's a game system that's so hyped it's still nearly impossible to buy. So it must be good. The "great unwashed" will buy it in droves.

But predicting that people will buy PS2s to get a cheap DVD player is looking at it backwards. Five years from now, we'll look back and it will be undoubtable that the PS2 was the single thing most responsible for legitimizing the DVD format and having it pass VHS in popularity.

Re:Actually A Strong Reason To Buy A PS2 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#646508)

If you recall, the first games for the [Insert any console system here] sucked. It takes a while for the programmers to fully utilize all that the console has to offer. Dreamcast has had over a year now, so it's games-programmers are becoming veterans with the system. So, if the graphics only 'looked no better' than your dreamcast, then wait a year. The PS2 graphics will blow Dreamcast away.

Re:"Unimpressive Launch"? (1)

calculi (51698) | more than 13 years ago | (#646510)

All I know is I saw a crapload more Dreamcast ads around its launch than I did PS2 garbage. I saw a grand total of ONE (1) commercial for PS2, and I watch a bit of TV. Dreamcast was everywhere for its launch, AND the system was actually available!

Want a DVD player? Buy a DVD player. Save yourself for Nintendo's Gamecube [nintendolegacy.com] if you like games.

Cordless Controllers... (1)

dmatos (232892) | more than 13 years ago | (#646512)

are available for just about every console system out there. If there isn't one for the PS2 yet, I predict that it won't take very long before one is made.

OT: 650 for a good DVD and surround amp?? (1)

chemguru (104422) | more than 13 years ago | (#646517)


Sorry, but I'm a home theater buff, and I hate to tell you, but $650 will get you EITHER a good DVD player OR a keeler amp. I, personally, would put the money on a good amp ( good brand name like Onkyo, Denon, or even the Sony ES series ). A good DVD player gives you some great features, but if you don't have the equipment to harness this greatness, what's the point. Start with your sound and picture, THEN work on the extras.

Just my $.02

Re:They've got it all wrong. (1)

dopeghost (107650) | more than 13 years ago | (#646518)

THINK BEFORE YOU BUY SONY PRODUCTS I wouldn't ever say 'don't', cos I'm not like that and well sony make some really nice stuff, (vaio's...etc) but their attitude more and more is towards trying to tie people into buying multiple sony products over other makes through proprietry integration. I'm scared of sony because they have no real competition in alot of their markets, people will buy sony just because its ...., sony are becoming an electronics M$. Sony is so big that while one department embraces open source and linux for intelligent devices the other stuffs MSPocketExplorer on their mobile phones. And memory sticks just screw Compact Flash - the standards there already so why 'reinvent it' (I betcha have to pay royalties if you wanna produce your own memory stick!) Oh and theres at least 3 types of memory stick now - hows that for integration... be different...think you I really want this before you fall for sony's marketing sleight of hand. "Fuck 'em if they ccan't take a Joke" -J.R.B.D.

Remote on a wire (1)

Robbie (3736) | more than 13 years ago | (#646519)

I can still remember the first video recorder my dad bought (when I was five), it had a remote on a wire. It was great fun to play with while watching tv (and when you're a bit overactive I guess)...

DVD players will be as commonplace as CD players (1)

imagineer_bob (163708) | more than 13 years ago | (#646520)

I don't see any big breakthrough here.

I'm sure that, just as CD players are everywhere now--there must be at least a dozen in my home--DVD players will be too.

Every computer, laptop, and perhaps even car drive (to play movie audio and DVD-Audio) will be DVD compatible when the chipsets and pickup assembly becomes commonplace

I don't know how many folk will use a PS2 for their primary DVD player. You want a simple little box that sits with the rest of your stereo equipment and has simple controls.

It may make it as the primary DVD player for the kids, though.

--- Speaking only for myself,

Cheap?! (2)

Godai (104143) | more than 13 years ago | (#646521)

A "cheap DVD player"? That damn thing is retailing in Canda for $425+!!! You can get _good_ DVD players for less than that!


Wood Shavings!

The PS2 & you (1)

WildHunter (219172) | more than 13 years ago | (#646524)

I own a PS2 and I bought one of the wireless remotes (sucker)I'm not impressed by the operability of the DVD on PS2. It's a clunky little interface and not all the buttons are labled correct for all the movies. And the remote is really just a wireless controller that has all the buttons mixed up.

But on the other hand I bought it as a gaming system (for $300 and if you paid more then your a bigger sucker than me for buying that remote.) It does kick ass for games and if you deny that then you either got bamboozled into buying a Dreamcast or need to wake up and smell the reality that is NHL 2001.

Fetch! (1)

Fr05t (69968) | more than 13 years ago | (#646526)

Oh great now I need to teach my cat how to fetch! Took him weeks to compile his first Kernel so I imagine I can have him ready before the PS2 hits Canada. :P

Re:Hello, join the 21st century (3)

jandrese (485) | more than 13 years ago | (#646527)

You missed the point. Why are people going to bother buying a $200 DVD player when their VCR works just fine (and all of the movies still come out on VHS)? However, if they buy a PS2 they might start looking at those couple of shelves of DVDs at BallBuster. Really, for most people, there is no reason to buy a DVD player yet, since their VCR works fine (and the DVD player doesn't let them time-shift (a term they don't even know)), but the PS2 is super keen an nifty, and omygosh, it can play DVDs too!

Nope. (2)

Millennium (2451) | more than 13 years ago | (#646528)

Thanks all the same, but I'll be sticking with my Apex 600A. I prefer players with ways around the MPAA's unethical practices.

That said, I might look into this for games, when and if Square goes for the PS2. I do think DVD is a better format for games than the GD-ROM's we get with the Dreamcast and GameCube (forget the proprietariness; it's all about capacity).
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Re:Cheap?! (1)

calculi (51698) | more than 13 years ago | (#646529)

Like, for instance, the Linux-based Indrema [indrema.com] game console?

cheap? (1)

ardiri (245358) | more than 13 years ago | (#646530)

have you seen the prices being asked for PS/2 machines on e-bay? i wouldn't call them cheap :)

Why I won't use my IBM PS/2 for DVDs [link] (3)

evilandi (2800) | more than 13 years ago | (#646531)

I doubt I'll be using my IBM Model 80 PS/2 [tripod.com] for DVDs.

For starters, it's a 386.

For seconds, it doesn't even have a CD-ROM let alone a DVD drive (the prospect of adding more weight to this beast is... unwelcome).

And finally, the thought of having to move this hulk out of my study, downstairs to the lounge, frankly fills me (and my back) with dread. Anything with a bright yellow sticker saying "CAUTION! DO NOT ATTEMPT TO LIFT THIS GREAT BIG FSKING HUMP OF METAL ON YOUR OWN, MATEY, YOU'LL REGRET IT REAL SOON" (anyone remember the exact words?) is something that, like cast iron cooking ranges, should be put in place FIRST and the building constructed around it AFTERWARDS.

More [inetnebr.com] and more [tripod.com] on the great beasts.

(mind you, it plays Doom like a bastard so I can see how people could confuse it with a console)

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Re:Wires (1)

calculi (51698) | more than 13 years ago | (#646532)

Goes to show Nintendo [nintendolegacy.com] 's ahead of the game again, they're already developing a wireless controller for Gamecube called the Wavebird.

Re:Cheap?! (1)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 13 years ago | (#646533)

cool... this, if nothing else, shows the power of advertising... I haven't heard anything about this, and I've seen so many ads for Playstation games and consoles it hurts.

Is Indrema advertising anywhere other then this site? I want to know if have actually missed the ads or I am buying the "wrong" computer magazines...

Kierthos

... AND ANOTHER THING, Sharky... (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#646534)

This week I threw most of the DVDs I could find at this thing, comparing each one to my $600 Toshiba 5109 DVD player (see, I pretend to appreciate only "good stuff" too), and in most cases there was no discernible difference in graphics quality between the two on my 12 year old Mitsubishi 27" TV (via SVHS cables) and little if any audible difference running it through a low-end Kenwood home theater package.
Is this guy TOTALLY brain dead?!?! The Toshiba 5109 is marketed towards folks with TV sets that can accomodate a progressive scan image! His 12 year old Mitsubishi TV is interlaced, producing an NTSC image via his s-video cable. HOW does he EXPECT there to be a difference here??? MY GOD, MAN! You don't buy a $600 DVD player that was MADE to be used on an HDTV and then bitch about it looking bad on a TV using 50 year old technology. Goddamnit, Sharky! Be thankful that the 5109 even WORKS on a non-HD set.

My motto: RIGHT TOOL FOR THE RIGHT JOB.

Re:Slashdot Hypocrisy: The Next Generation. (2)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 13 years ago | (#646541)

So, what you're saying is it's perfectly okay to like the things you like, but things that you don't agree with aren't correct groupthink.

Sounds like Slashdot to me.

- A.P.

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* CmdrTaco is an idiot.

Re:Hello, join the 21st century (1)

nolesrule (152898) | more than 13 years ago | (#646545)

Every time I go into my Blockbuster, the DVD section seems to grow by another shelf section (short shelves). It has gone from two sections a year ago to three rows front and back as of last week.

I have been told they are already making plans to eliminate a good chunk of the "Blockbuster Favorites" area in favor of increased spaced for DVD movies and console games.

second round (1)

bendawg (72695) | more than 13 years ago | (#646550)

Has anyone seen the second round of playstation 2 available anywhere yet? They were supposed to be shipping 10,000 more units every week, but I haven't seen any websites update their stocks since the first shipment.

Do audiophiles have a point? (1)

Taurine (15678) | more than 13 years ago | (#646553)

DVD really needs to reach critical mass, I would truly hate to find that not enough people have bought players and disks for the format to receive continued support (now I don't think that is actually going to happen...)

But I have been fearing the day that DVD goes mainstream for some time. At the moment, a large proportion of the DVD buying audience are audio and videophiles, and film-lovers. We won't buy a disk if it doesn't have great extras. We won't buy a disk if it only has a 4:3 pan&scan image - we want cinematic widescreen. At the moment, the publishers have to make the effort to produce high quality disks to suceed.

But when everyone and their dog has a DVD player, will they publishers still put in the effort? My girlfriend doesn't understand why I rate DVD over VHS, and when she looks at films in the shop, she would rather have the 4:3, how can we stop this insanity? People are just used to the shape of their TV set, and seem to think they are missing out if the top and bottom of the screen are black. Look at VHS in the shops, how many films come out in widescreen? Its the few, and you have to wait for the 'special edition'.

Anyone out there share my paranoia? Someone please convince me this isn't going to happen.

Why the PS2 isn't my next DVD player (2)

mwalker (66677) | more than 13 years ago | (#646554)

The reason I won't use the PS2 as a DVD player is that it:

a) is restricted to DVD region 1.
b) uses Macrovision to prevent me from using my VCR to switch between it and my Sega Dreamcast.

In addition, licensing fees from the PS2 go to Sony and the MPAA, who are waging a war against free speech and the Constitution every day.

Enough said.

UK DC Plug (2)

slim (1652) | more than 13 years ago | (#646555)

A PS2 at RRP in the UK costs £299. You may have trouble getting one, and even if you do, IMHO there is only one interesting game at launch (Fantavision). The DVD player will be locked to Region 2, and there is no known software hack (there might be a hardware hack).

While the Dreamcast doesn't have a built in DVD player, Gem (Dreamcast's UK distributors) are currently pushing a bundle deal where you get a Dreamcast and a rather nice Encore DVD player together for £300. The Encore DVD player has DTS digital output, a built-in Dolby Digital decoder, and it's multi-region out of the box. You'll also be able to play Dreamcast games on one TV while playing DVDs on another. Oh, and there are dozens of really good Dreamcast games.

The bundle is available in most UK Dreamcast outlets, including places like HMV and Virgin, and online outlets too.

Plug over. I do not represent Sega, I just really like my Dreamcast. Nothing against Sony -- I'll certainly buy a PS2 when the price drops a little and the 2nd generation games start to trickle through.
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Re:Actually A Strong Reason To Buy A PS2 (1)

Nerds (126684) | more than 13 years ago | (#646556)

Sony would be wise to release an addon that allows my Sony remote to run the unit.

My system includes the STR-DE845 (receiver), which comes with a two-way programmable remote. Maybe not the ideal situation, but I could buy one of the wireless remotes and then program my controller to send the same signals. Of course, I already have a Sony DVD player and none of the PS2 games look all that great, so I'll hold off until spring and maybe buy it when FFX comes out...

Re:Hello, join the 21st century (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 13 years ago | (#646557)

I already complained about this before: <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/10/30 /161202&cid=23"who needs this stuff?</a>

I already have a $120 DVD player. I have a $1250 computer that has tons more power than the PS2, and mine will do more than play games..

I like consoles and all, but for all the hype why bother? I see everyone's point that a DVD player is wonderful, but why make it out to be such a big asset? It is a god damn game machine, not a DVD player, don't hype it to be what it isn't.

Re:I will be using my PS2 as a DVD player (1)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 13 years ago | (#646558)

You'll be lucky. Last I heard there were 220,000 pre orders and 70,000 units heading to our shores. And yes, every one of those 220,000 believes they are getting one on the release date.

Re:Aspect Ratio (1)

TheBahxMan (249147) | more than 13 years ago | (#646559)

1: Insert 20GB drive 2: Insert DVD 3: download VOBDEC 4: Go do something for 15 minutes 5: Download FlaskMPEG 6: Install Radium MP3 and DivX ;) codecs 7: Adjust aspect ratio 8: Insert Burnable Media 9: Use CD-ROM There ya go, a simple fix for your aspect ratio troubles.

Re:As usual, the Japanese go overkill. (1)

Lord_Pain (165272) | more than 13 years ago | (#646565)

I wouldn't call it overkill. It's a simple matter of getting the "coolest thing" to do the job. I've done that myself.

BTW, an M249 is not a heavy machinegun, but a squad automatic weapon, aka. a light machine gun. Doesn't use a 500 round belt either. But a 200 round belt or a 30 round magazine from an m-16 series of weapons.

Re:No VCD support, no wireless remote included. Fe (1)

derrickh (157646) | more than 13 years ago | (#646566)

Most DVD players can Play VCD's. My Apex 600 has no problem with them. They fact that PS2 isn't VCD compatible kinda dilutes it's claim has a mid-high end player. When $150 player out performs a $400 player, you gotta wonder....
Mad Scientists with too much time on thier hands

Re:M249 (1)

AFCArchvile (221494) | more than 13 years ago | (#646569)

Right, but still, you can set up the tripod and have one of your buddies link belts together to effectively give you 500 rounds.

Re:As usual, the Japanese go overkill. (1)

The Anti-Christ (238963) | more than 13 years ago | (#646570)

IMHO, Using a PS2 to play a DVD is like using an M249 heavy machinegun with a 500-bullet chain to mow down three targets. In one word: Overkill.

I suppose it's also overkill to be playing older games on PIIIs/K7s? Or buying SUVs simply to drive around in the subburbs? Or watching classic B&W movies on color televisions?

I have seen the light and it is good. (1)

DannyC (4040) | more than 13 years ago | (#646572)

I have compared the PS2 DVD output quality against $600-800 models and there's simply no discernable differences. Anyway I look at it, I saved money. Video is sharp, clean, no artifacts, very good contrasts, no blocking in smooth shaded areas.

Audio is just as good using stereo , DTS, Dolby and 5.1.

I'm also using an old wireless controller made for the original PS and that works fine, so no wire needed.

Games: Yeah, most games suck and that was expected. Still, SSX, Tekken Tag and Dead or Alive 2 rock. Remeber that most games coming out right now are direct ports, they're barely using the extra hardware capabilities the PS2 has.

Backwards-Compatibility: All of my old games work fine and most look better than ever with texture smoothing. FF7 sometimes crashes with high disc speed, but that's it.

Hype: A lot of people are nit-picking at Sony for hyping the PS2 a lot. I don't agree; all the hoopla about the PS2 came from resellers, not from Sony. Has anyone seen an ad for the system actually from Sony? I haven't.

I'm happy. So should you be.

Re:The PS2 is not a good DVD player for the money (2)

Genom (3868) | more than 13 years ago | (#646574)

Figure it this way...

Every new console starts out at $199.99 (mightaswell say $200)

The PS2 starts out at $299.99 (mightaswell say $300)

The extra $100 is for the DVD player. Compare it to DVD players at $100 and it's not too bad a deal. It's not going to be the best player on the market. Sony would screw themselves over if they did that (they make a couple high-end DVD players themselves).

This was marketed at LOW-END customers - ones who want a game system, and also might want a DVD player. The people who are buying it just for the DVD player are a little nuts (if all they wanted was a DVD player they could do much better with a standalone for the $$$) and many of the people who are just buying it for the game system aren't going to use the dvd player part much (if at all - I fall into this category myself - I have a standalone player that does just fine - I'd rather save the PS2's motor for games ;) ) - but the people who want BOTH are getting a treat - a cheap DVD player and a decent gaming rig.

The fact it'll replace an old PS1 and still play the old games is a nice touch, IMHO - I didn't have a free port on my switchbox for another system (4 port switch - cable/vcr on part 1, DVD on port 2, PSX on port 3, DC on port 4) so I just disconnected the old PSX, gave it to my little nephew, and hooked the ps2 up in it's place. The texture smoothing is nice on some games (Vagrant Story and Parasite Eve 2 in particular) and the CD speed increase works quite well on most games (Squaresoft games don't like it though).

All in all, a nice little upgrade to my PS1, the ability to play the new PS2 games (still waiting for MGS2 and a decent RPG - Summoner is holding me over, but there's really nothing special about it but the storyline), and a backup DVD player (when we move it'll take a while to unpack the whole entertainment system - the PS2's dvd player may get some use then, or it may not - we may be too busy with FF9 ;) )

For someone without a PSX or a DVD player, it opens up a LOT of stuff for them, and for $300 it's not too bad for all it can do. Of course in a year the price will drop to $250 (the console drops to $150, the DVD stays the same) and in 2 years down to $200 (console to $100, DVD stays the same again)...

Uh, no. VCD's becoming a popular home-movie format (2)

hatless (8275) | more than 13 years ago | (#646575)

VCDs you buy are pretty much limited to Hong Kong movies, anime and cheap porn. But those of you who haven't run Windows in a while may be surprised to know that even the freebie video editing software that comes with DV camcorders and firewire cards can burn VCDs. It's quickly becoming a popular way to distribute home movies.

Shoot digital footage of the kid, edit it on your PC, and burn a couple of VCDs for the grandparents. It's easier than writing out to videotape.

Remotes ... (1)

SuperRob (31516) | more than 13 years ago | (#646576)

Indeed, Sony neglecting to add an IR port to the PS2 was a BIG design flaw. Bigger, I think, than the two controller port debacle.

Anyway, I have one of Sony's learning remotes. I'm getting the Saitek (because of the pass-through) and will program my remote to use it. Then, I throw the goddamned ugly Saitek remote in a drawer and never look at it again. Problem solved.

Of course, then there's the obvious problem of Sony not coming out with a first-party remote. Slackers.

I'm got my PS2 to primarily function as a second DVD player, and to consolidate space by getting rid of my PSX. Now my main DVD player can be moved to the bedroom, so the wife can watch movies while I play SSX. Would you beleive that she actually approved of this plan? I'm such a great husband.

"Honey ... I want to spend $300 on a game machine so that you can have a DVD player inthe bedroom."

"Ok, dear."

Heh ...

Re:Actually A Strong Reason To Buy A PS2 (4)

slim (1652) | more than 13 years ago | (#646577)

If you recall, the first games for the [Insert any console system here] sucked. It takes a while for the programmers to fully utilize all that the console has to offer. Dreamcast has had over a year now, so it's games-programmers are becoming veterans with the system. So, if the graphics only 'looked no better' than your dreamcast, then wait a year. The PS2 graphics will blow Dreamcast away.

Well, I'm a Sega zealot, but I can't argue with your logic here. The obvious message you're giving is: buy a Dreamcast now, enjoy its superior gaming for a year, then when the PS2 catches up, buy one of those. It will be cheaper by then, too, and if we're lucky PS2's network functionality will have been rolled out.

I'll be buying a PS2; I can't pass by Silent Hill2, and I'll need Fantavision at some point: but it's just not mature enough yet.

By contrast, Dreamcast was streets ahead of anything (bar a PC) you could buy on its release date. I had Power Stone and Sonic Adventure on day one, both classic titles I still go back to. Soul Calibur came a few weeks later; there's nothing on PS2 that looks quite as lovely.

Um, is Metropolis Street Racer out in the USA yet? It's seriously nice, especially if you've ever been to San Fran, Tokyo or London.
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Re:"Unimpressive Launch"? (2)

n3rd (111397) | more than 13 years ago | (#646578)

I can't argue with that one bit.

I think that both the unimpressive logistics is what made for the impressive launch. Had the PS2 been more available, everyone would be sitting at home, happy with their new PS2, but instead we keep hearing about it since everyone doesn't have and still wants one.

No 16x9 mode for DVDs, it seems... (1)

Jerrith (6472) | more than 13 years ago | (#646579)

I got my PS2 for gaming, not movies. (I've already got a nice normal DVD player with 16x9 mode.) I started up The Matrix, and noticed it wasn't in 16x9... I looked around in all the system menus. There's an option in the main system configuration screen that lets you select what aspect ratio you want... I set this to 16x9. Tried the DVD player again after this, still no good. Looked at the DVD's menu system, and found there's an option there too for the aspect ratio, but it's locked to the standard value, and you can't change it! :( It almost seems like this was a feature they were going to have, and then it was cut or pulled out, for some reason. :(

Oh well... Just need to hook up the player when I want to watch DVDs, I guess.

AR Schleicher (Jerrith)
ars@iag.net
jerrith@jerrith.com

No VCD support, no wireless remote included. Feh. (2)

hatless (8275) | more than 13 years ago | (#646580)

It's certainly nice that it plays DVDs, and a lot of people who get it as a game console will probably use it as their DVD player too.

But wireless remotes are third-party, and it won't play VCDs, SVCDs and so forth, as any cheap DVD player will do for half the price. Indeed, it's one of very few DVD players that can't play VCDs. Heck, for the PS2's price of $300 USD, you can get a 5-disc DVD changer from a reputable brand and have enough money left over to buy a couple of DVDs.

So it's a pleasant enough feature, but it's hardly a reaason for anyone, much less a /. reader, to buy a PS2.

Re:Actually A Strong Reason To Buy A PS2 (2)

Howie (4244) | more than 13 years ago | (#646581)

Actually, I remember being firmly impressed with my Playstation 1 bought on launch day, with Wipeout and Ridge Racer. Coming from a SNES and a Genesis, it was pretty cool stuff. The other Namco titles, which made up the rest of the launch titles were pretty ropey - Cybersled was nasty.

Same with Mario and Goldeneye for the N64 - got mine after the price-drop though. There haven't been many kick-ass games since for the N64, mind. Maybe Zelda and a few others.

Odd trivia for you - according to Game Over, Sony developed a 'Playstation' to compete with the NES/SNES a few years before the PSX. The 'X' on the CD Playstation was to indicate this fact - eXtended. So the new machine is either the PSX2 or the PS3 - like Rambo movies.

Re:Actually A Strong Reason To Buy A PS2 (1)

Mandomania (151423) | more than 13 years ago | (#646582)

Sony has a history of releasing mediocre launch titles, so I think the lack of superior games was expected. Most of the launch titles that I've seen (Madden, SSX, Dynasty Warriors II) are slightly better than the third generation Dreamcast games, which says quite a bit.

Most developers for the PS2 are admitting that the real strengths of the system have yet to be utilitized. As always, the games are going to get better and better as the console matures. If the current games are any indication of what's yet to come, watch out.

--
mando

Re:Actually A Strong Reason To Buy A PS2 (1)

svirre (39068) | more than 13 years ago | (#646587)

What does being from Sony have to do with having DD5.1 and DTS? There is no special relationship between Sony and DTS. In truth, *ANY* dvd player with digital audio out (copper sp/dif or optical toslink) will do both DD5.1 and DTS because "bits is bits" and the actual DD5.1/DTS processing is being handled by the receiver, not the dvd player.

Actually this is not entirely true. While bits is bits, thos bits have flags with them that say what they represent on a DVD. Each audiotrack has flags that say what language they are and what coding they use (and possibly others). Early DVD players (like my DV505) will not pass audio marked with any other flags than those it is set to handle, which in my case is DD and PCM. Also if it should ever become an issue: modern DVD players will not pass tracks marked as SDDS tracks (Which is also an optional format approved for DVD, which icendentally is owned by sony)

B.T.W. dts isn't too smart to use as recent testing indicates that dts at half bitrate (700ish) suffers from more compressionartifacts than DD at 380 (Both in 5.1 channels encoded of cource). And yes half bitrate dts is what's commonly used as full bitrate takes too much bandwidth away from the picture, leaving a marred image on screen. Of cource even half bitrate dts can be expected to have unfortunate sideeffects on the image as availible peak bandwidth is reduced (DVD forum rules dictate that a DD or PCM track must be included).

The reason many claim to prefer dts is likely related to that until recently dts had strict control of the use of their encoders (i.e. only they encoded material). Investigations have shown that there were significat differences between the original master and the encoded audio that could not be explained by compression artifacts. In other words dts tinkered with the original director-approved audio before they encoded it. This can be used to good effect to fool people into thinking that what they are listening to is a superior format. The common tricks are to boost overall levels (an increase of signal level of as little as 0.5dB will be percieved as an 'improvement' but not as a level difference), boost surround levels (more 'impressive' effects, but can get tireing in the long run, and can just as easily be achieved by adjusting the decoder settings), and increasing bass output.

DVD - Why? (1)

ALG (41966) | more than 13 years ago | (#646588)

I don't like it. I don't want to pay what is probably 50% of the total system price when I have a perfectly fine $1100 DVD player sitting right next too it. It would be great it they would have made the DVD player an optional extra.

ALG

But it better drop in price (1)

sips (212702) | more than 13 years ago | (#646590)

If they want anyone to buy one they will have to drop the price to around $100 USD like they did with the original playstation or most people will refrain from buying one.

Re:No 16x9 mode for DVDs, it seems... (1)

leppi (207894) | more than 13 years ago | (#646591)

Actually, i think you are getting confused between 4:3 mode with a letterboxed picture, 4:3 mode with a Pan and Scan picture, and 16:9 mode.

16:9 mode actually outputs a different signal to your TV. The signal is designed for TVs that are enhanced for 16:9 mode (ala widescreen TVs). You can usually access this option from the dvd player setup menu (as apposed to the interactive DVD menu).

Pan and Scan mode is usually an alternate track on a DVD. if a DVD could fit two movies on a single side, there could be a "letterboxed" edition, and a "pan and scan" edition. That is probably the feature that you are trying to set. The catch is: most DVDs don't include this ability. Movies are too large to fit two copies on a single side. So you can usually access a pan and scan version on the other side of the disk, or not at all.

The Matrix IIRC, does NOT have a Pan and Sacn version on it.

so you will be stuck using a 4:3 picture with a letterboxed movie. Which IMO is so much better than pan and scan. :)

/db

Re:No VCD support, no wireless remote included. Fe (1)

TheBahxMan (249147) | more than 13 years ago | (#646597)

Other than the fact that when the PS9 comes out, you can say you owned a PS2...

What the hell do they think thier selling, the next coming of Jesus? I mean come on! How dumb do they think the... oh... nevermind. FSKING megacorps :P

Re:Hello, join the 21st century (1)

ibpooks (127372) | more than 13 years ago | (#646598)

Every single video store I know of in the area surrounding me rents DVDs along with VHS tapes. All DVD rentals are the same price as the same title in VHS. It's really not a big deal to rent either. I do it all the time.

straw man alert: DVD snob (1)

_|()|\| (159991) | more than 13 years ago | (#646599)

The great unwashed can already buy cheap DVD players

Exactly. I don't get where this elitist backlash comes from. Steve says, "when everyone has a DVD player, we won't feel special anymore." He's been reading too much Widescreen Review. Ask the betamax or laser disc aficionado whether he enjoys the exclusivity of his club.

After a crisis of conscience about the DeCSS suit, quickly followed by American consumerism and apathy, I bought a DVD player (a Sony, no less) for about $200. Maybe that makes me one of the unwashed. I want to see more DVDs at the video store. I want more titles on DVD. I want simultaneous release on VHS and DVD. I understand the purists concern that mass-market DVDs may make for cheap DVDs (poor video transfers, poor auding mixing, no extras, etc.). That doesn't mean they feel threatened by the PS2.

DVD Video Quality Issue (1)

Smuttley (126014) | more than 13 years ago | (#646600)

Right time to clear a few things up 1/ The Japanese PS2 uses software decoding of DVDs 2/ US and UK PS2 use hardware decoding The chip that is used for the decoding in the US and UK versions is the same chip that Wharfdale use in their 750 DVD player. I happen to have one of these and must say the quality is outstanding. The player itself is by far the best budget player there is on the market (in the UK at least). The quality of the video is just as good as a more expensive DVD player. Another great thing is that the chip also plays VCDs better than I've ever seen them played on any other type of system. I am therefore hoping that the quality of the PS2's decoding should therefore match or be very close to that of the player I have. Cheers, Alex

PS2 VCD (1)

redial+1 (233747) | more than 13 years ago | (#646601)

It's too bad my PS2 won't play any VCD's. I mean the DVD player is nifty and all, but still, my $129 pioneer DVD player is willing to play just about anything on plastic. Maybe Sony could put this in the first update.

Not cheap (1)

Apotsy (84148) | more than 13 years ago | (#646602)

Buying the Playstation 2 solely as a DVD player is not the way to go if you're looking for cheap. You can get a name brand, bare bones DVD player for far less than the price of a Playstation 2. Hell, they were selling Toshiba DVD players in the fscking Safeway the other day for $199 each! PS2-as-DVD-player is not cheap.

Re:Component Video Out (1)

Jerrith (6472) | more than 13 years ago | (#646603)

While I agree it's not a high end DVD player, your "one simple reason" is totally wrong. Both Sony and multiple other companies make optional component video cables for the PS2. So, while it comes with a composite cable, for just a little bit more, you can get the component video cable you need to make it look better.

When my PS2 arrived, before I went to hook it up, I went out and bought the component video cable. If you've got a TV than can handle it, it's the only way to go. :)

AR Schleicher (Jerrith)
ars@iag.net
jerrith@jerrith.com

audio elitism (4)

dboyles (65512) | more than 13 years ago | (#646604)

Yes, there is elitism in every community. Many Slashdotters wouldn't be caught dead using AOL. Driving enthusiasts would rather walk than use an automatic transmission. And audiophiles scoff at the notion of using a video game console as a source for music.

I consider myself a budget audiophile. I have a stereo that I feel sounds better than any of my friends'. And yes, I sometimes get caught up in the hype of what looks coolest, etc. To use computers as an example, how many Slashdotters would use an iMac even if inside was an Athlon 800 MHz with 512 MB of RAM? Ok sure, you'd use it, but don't tell me looks don't matter.

Perhaps I should get to my point. The way I see it, there are a couple of extremes in the audio world. The first is one that wants a system that sounds great and looks even better. Truly great-sounding audio systems rarely blend in to the decor of one's living room. So sacrifices have to be made. The other extreme could care less what the system looks like, as long as it sounds next-to-perfect. The latter could be placed in the genre of "audio hackers." They'll put coverings on the walls to absorb sound (I'm guilty of that one), have bags of sand to absorb vibration, and will usually have somewhat of a frankenstein system of components that don't look like they match. You won't find any remote controlled sliding glass doors with those folks.

So which of these groups would be more likely to accept a PS2 into their audio setup? Well, neither one, probably. Both groups generally have the philosophy that you should do one thing and do it right. The first group I mentioned figuratively drives the Audi TT (drives great, looks stunning). The second group drives the pieced-together Grand National (looks ugly IMHO, but hauls ass for the dollars you spend). The group that would use the PS2 drives the Dodge Caravan (wants a cheap, all-in-one box).

Sorry, guess I went a little analogy crazy.

No need to worry... (1)

vchoy (134429) | more than 13 years ago | (#646605)

You have not heard about PS2.1? If I were you I would hold out on that DVD player! :P

As usual, the Japanese go overkill. (1)

AFCArchvile (221494) | more than 13 years ago | (#646606)

In Japan I heard that most of the purchases were because people wanted a cheap full featured DVD.

Okay, it looks like they left their minds in the gutter. Doesn't this remotely remind you of the "tsunami drills" that they constantly have in Japan? Or the cubicle-sized hotel suites?

IMHO, Using a PS2 to play a DVD is like using an M249 heavy machinegun with a 500-bullet chain to mow down three targets. In one word: Overkill.

The PS2 is not a good DVD player for the money (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#646607)

While it's a great secondary feature for it to have, if you are buying it mainly for DVD playback, save your cash and get something else. Last time I checked the Apex 500 DVD player was only 100$USD at Circit City. The Apex 660, which has a slightly better picture and the ability to play MP3 CDs, is only 150$USD. Now not having seen a PS2 I can't authoritatively speak for it's quality, but I have to assume it's not significantly better than that of the Apexes.

That said, if you want a game console AND a DVD player, the PS2 is certianly a great value. You get to play all your PS1 games (with lower load times) all new PS2 games plus DVDs. That's pretty hard to beat for a sinlge unit. However, just remember that if movies are your thing, not games, there are cheaper options.

I will be using my PS2 as a DVD player (2)

PhadeRunner (145405) | more than 13 years ago | (#646608)

I have actually held off from buying a DVD player because the PS2 can act as one. I am hoping the audio/video quality is as good as a dedicated DVD player. The inclusion of DTS cinema sound is a good indication. I am awaiting the 24th of November (European launch date) to get my hands on one. It has been pre-ordered since June! :)

Actually A Strong Reason To Buy A PS2 (4)

BRock97 (17460) | more than 13 years ago | (#646611)

This is a great reason to buy a PS2. Being it is from Sony, it has both Dolby Digital 5.1 AND DTS support. IMHO, the DTS is the icing on the cake, as from personal experience, it seems that the stereo in the rear channels is clearer, and in better proportions then what the straight 5.1 can offer. Further, the moved the DVD player off of a seperate memory card, and built it into firmware. This was a biggy in Japan, with memory cards becoming corrupt as a result (something which has been fixed). If I had something bad to say, it would be the lack of an IR port on the unit. In my case, where I have a complete Sony setup, I have one remote that works all units. With the PS2, you have to use the joystick, or if you pay the extra money, a different remote that plugs into one of your joystick ports (something, as of right now, sounds buggy as the pass through isn't working as promised for some; so, in effect, you lose a joystick port). Sony would be wise to release an addon that allows my Sony remote to run the unit. Only thing I didn't like.

On a different note, I have finally had a chance to see a PS2 and its games (Madden, and 2 driving games that left no other lasting impression) and I was not impressed as it looked no better then my Dreamcast. Where are the software titles to really show off the unit?! Guess I will have to wait for Metal Gear Solid 2.

Bryan R.

not the best (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#646614)

I don't know what other people have experienced with the PS2 as a DVD player, but I have ben unimpressed. The PS2 system seems to have problems with several DVD's, mainly ones with special features, and also the navigation features are poorly designed, making it dificult to do things such as chapter switches and the like. As I said, I don't knwo what other people have experienced, but I would personally pay extra for a stand-alone DVD player rather than rely on a PS2

Hello, join the 21st century (5)

Alan Shutko (5101) | more than 13 years ago | (#646617)

There are a lot of _other_ ~$200 DVD players out there. The only differences between them and the PS2 is that they have wireless remotes and you can actually buy one at the moment.

Sure, they won't play games, but perceiving the PS2 as providing DVD players to the "great unwashed" is incorrect. The great unwashed can already buy cheap DVD players a whole lot easier than the PS2. (I know, because I have one.)

"Unimpressive Launch"? (3)

n3rd (111397) | more than 13 years ago | (#646620)

They think that the DVD functionality of the PS2 is the one brilliant move Sony made in this otherwise unimpressive launch.

Woah, wait a minute here. Did these guys miss the PS2 selling for $5,000 on E-Bay? Did anyone else see the video of the release in Japan? The stores were packed!

Considering all of the hype that surrounded it's release (both US and Japan), I would say it was actually a very impressive. Can anyone name any other console that received this much hype at it's launch?

Re:Slashdot Hypocrisy: The Next Generation. (2)

dboyles (65512) | more than 13 years ago | (#646623)

The goal of any journalistic organization is to report the news that is of interest to its audience. I don't need Rob or any Slashdot poster forcing his opinions down my throat. If you want to protest the MPAA by not buying DVDs, that's fine. But a personal agenda shouldn't prevent the posting of a story that has to do with DVDs.

Brilliant move for who? (1)

RussRoss (74155) | more than 13 years ago | (#646624)

These things are sold at a loss and all profit comes from the games. If people buy the PS2 as a DVD player, Sony looses money. That's one of the reasons Microsoft is resisting adding DVD playback to the XBox.

- Russ

Re:Actually A Strong Reason To Buy A PS2 (1)

Apotsy (84148) | more than 13 years ago | (#646625)

Pretty much every DVD player these days comes with DTS output. It's become a "me-too" feature that is all but standard issue.

Re:No 16x9 mode for DVDs, it seems... (1)

IsleOfView (23825) | more than 13 years ago | (#646626)

This is frustrating for me too, but in the opposite manner. (I was using the Matrix DVD also) My system seems to only show 16:9. That's fine, but I tried to change it, but the selector won't go into the field where you can change it to what they call "Pan Scan". I really have no idea how to change this...

Re:Brilliant move for who? (1)

TheBahxMan (249147) | more than 13 years ago | (#646627)

Lets not get into reasons not to buy a Xbox. I'm sure when BillGs oompa-loompas get thier act together and finally release the Xbox, well discuss it more then. For now, play TacOps...

Re:Unfortunately.... (1)

AntiPasto (168263) | more than 13 years ago | (#646628)

It has TV out ;p

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Key with wives/girlfriends (2)

AugstWest (79042) | more than 13 years ago | (#646629)

I talked my wife into one pretty easily, considering the price and the number of consoles we already have....

The main selling point was the DVD player. Hey, it kills 2 birds with one stone.

I don't mean to be sexist, it just seems that the "norm" is that men want to buy these gadgets, and their other halves want to know why...

Re:The PS2 is not a good DVD player for the money (1)

JustChad (228858) | more than 13 years ago | (#646630)

Hmmmm... To put it lightly, buying an apex dvd player is a stupid move. (The only good reason to get one is to get an old ... pre january2000... 660a so you can de-region encode it...) You get better quality playback off of a bargain 4head vcr. As for the PS2, I've said it multiple times... the picture quality is better than my 2nd gen nakomichi. You're all bashing the PS2 because you (A) haven't seen it yet or (B) can't afford it or (C) just don't want it and are justifying not buying it...

Re:Actually A Strong Reason To Buy A PS2 (2)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 13 years ago | (#646631)

What does being from Sony have to do with having DD5.1 and DTS? There is no special relationship between Sony and DTS. In truth, *ANY* dvd player with digital audio out (copper sp/dif or optical toslink) will do both DD5.1 and DTS because "bits is bits" and the actual DD5.1/DTS processing is being handled by the receiver, not the dvd player.

As for the reviewer in the original article, I have to wonder about his level of comprehension. Here's why: He talks about comparing the PS2 to his Toshiba 5109, and then quips that he likes the high-end stuff too because he paid $600 for the toshiba. But, he also states that he is using a 12 year-old magnavox TV.

The one thing about the Toshiba 5109 that makes it "high-end" (besides the price) is that it is a progressive DVD player (i.e. it supports displaying a gorgeous de-interlaced image on an HDTV), it is well known for producing relatively poor image quality in interlaced mode. With his 12-year old TV, the only output he can view from his Toshiba 5109 is interlaced. So, you have to wonder why this guy wasted $600 for a player from which he can only get relatively poor image quality from?

I'm not saying the PS2 has poor image quality, or poor audio quality, you really can't tell either way from the review, we just know that it is at least as good as a bad dvd player on a 12-year old TV.

What I am saying is that the reviewer seems to be a real hypocrite for ranting about "audiophiles" and such for a page and a half, and then he turns out to be the worst of the worst himself -- a guy who wasted his money on a high-end dvd player that he can't even make use of properly in his system, and doesn't even seem to know that he's screwed himself. That's not the kind of guy whoose opinions I would trust.

Re:Actually A Strong Reason To Buy A PS2 (1)

bludstone (103539) | more than 13 years ago | (#646632)

Actually, the "Playstation" was origionally designed to be a cd-rom for the snes. There were some... complications.. and sony decided to release the psx on its own... Check your snes for an unused port, it was there for the psx. (has anyone ever utilized this port for anything?)

Re:Actually A Strong Reason To Buy A PS2 (1)

ChoclateyShatner (174375) | more than 13 years ago | (#646633)

Than is right

Unfortunately.... (2)

AntiPasto (168263) | more than 13 years ago | (#646634)

my next DVD player is my PC. With the ATI All In Wonder Radeon [pricewatch.com] I'll have an integrated entertainment package. I don't play games very often, but about the only reason I'd get a PS2 (err... were they thinking this acronym through?!?) is for Gran Tourismo 2000

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DVD? And? (1)

prophecyvi (249996) | more than 13 years ago | (#646636)

What might be interesting to do is to see how many people actually _care_ about DVD functionality. Everyone I know that's interested in PS/2 (or console games at all, for that matter) doesn't give a raspberry fig newton about DVD playability, they just want to know about how it plays games. I don't have one and don't plan to get one, and from the reviews I've seen everywhere, I think I'm making the right choice in waiting for an XBox/Indrema/NCube. Maybe run a poll about what the actual buyer's motivations are in buying a PS/2, I don't think many will care about DVD.

The "Real" remote control is only $20... (2)

dale@redhat.com (38880) | more than 13 years ago | (#646639)

Why try to watch "Matrix" with that controller??? I purchased a "real" remote when I got my PS2. It was only $20... http://www.gamefusion.com/game-fusion-network/gf-n ews-2/gf-news-2-archive/june-2000/1.shtm l

I choose PS2 because of the hardware design (1)

fluor2 (242824) | more than 13 years ago | (#646640)

The DVD only bits and bytes, since the general society tries to port EVERYTHING to computers. PC-owners can play DVD's on their PCs. Why not Playstation 2 ? ;-) I do not want an ugly PC in my living room. I want a slim PlayStation 2, as it looks much better than those BIG PC's :)) Maybe hardware people can learn from the buyers choice.

Good, bad and the ugly (2)

darkworm (252052) | more than 13 years ago | (#646643)

It'd be cool for a day after you realised that buying PS2 was a mistake, and the money you forked out for the machine could actually buy a decent DVD player. One that will fit nicely in your video cabinet, with a nice remote control and one that your mates won't break in a drunken stupor on a Saturday night playing Tekken after a heavy drinking session :)

-- "Hey Bob, come look! I've never seen a penguin so small!"

Re:Hello, join the 21st century (1)

vslashg (209560) | more than 13 years ago | (#646650)

I've seen that too at the local Blockbuster. But what it is is like a couple of shelves of DVDs, and walls and walls and walls of VHS titles.

It's not there yet.

Re:Actually A Strong Reason To Buy A PS2 (1)

JustChad (228858) | more than 13 years ago | (#646652)

As far as dream cast vs PS2 goes... I love my dreamcast... BUT I have DOA2 on both, and I'm really sorry, but If you can look at them and NOT see which system is CLEARLY superior, you're blind....Sorry. PS2 is just more power... It's worth the $300 if you have it to spare...

Re:Component Video Out (1)

banda (206438) | more than 13 years ago | (#646653)

Are you high?
I'm looking at component video cables for the PS2 on Amazon.com.
Here's the link: Component Cables [amazon.com]
I repeat, are you high?

Re:PS2 DVD Remotes (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#646656)

The Saitek is a manufacturing defect. As of 10/30/2000 I was told that they were working on a fix, and would have a working one out for replacement in 4 weeks. The buttoms that are mislabled are Stop (which acts like the confirm button) and Confirm (which acts like the stop button). You need to press the buttons longer than usual to send the command to the PS2, other than that, a good remote.

Back in the day (2)

acomj (20611) | more than 13 years ago | (#646657)

The first VCRs had corded remotes...

And they were mono, had 3 speeds which no-one could figure out.
You could tune a maximum of 12 channels, which you had to turn one of 12 little nobs to adjust the tuning on each one.

And WE LIKED IT, becuase we could record, unlike these namby -pamby PS2.

heck ,PS2 was an IBM Computer back in the day with a wierd kinda slots, but I digress...

Re:Cheap?! (1)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 13 years ago | (#646658)

And it's selling on eBay for upwards of $1000(US) per unit. I know if I had been able to buy one at the normal price, I would have sold it right now.

Now, face it, with all the hype and sales, Sony is pushing this as far as it will go. They want this console to be selling like gangbusters, which it is. Not only are they trying to get the game console crowd, but they can get people who maybe wouldn't buy one except that you can also watch DVDs on it.

Mind you, when a game console comes out that you can program in Linux on as well as play games, I figure 90% of /. will be hooked immediately...

Kierthos

They've got it all wrong. (3)

AFCArchvile (221494) | more than 13 years ago | (#646659)

By purchasing a PS2, you're supporting an evil empire and a demonic leech (Sony and Rambus). At least when you buy a DVD-ROM drive for your computer, you can play it with whichever program you wish to use.

Also, here's a DVD advertisement circumvention procedure: Play, Stop, Play, 01 [enter]. I guarantee that this procedure does not fall under the DMCA, even though it does circumvent the stupid ad screens.

The best reason to by a PS2 (5)

cluge (114877) | more than 13 years ago | (#646661)

Bought it for 399.00 Sold it for 650 plus shipping on e-bay. Now I'm getting a REALLY good DVD player and surround sound amp.

I guess your right......it provided me with a great dvd player.

PS2 DVD Remotes (2)

ironman8250 (225306) | more than 13 years ago | (#646662)

...as for the controls:

There at least 2 (maybe more) IR Remotes on the market that plug into the PS2's controller port and allow you to run the DVD functions with a nice little remote like you'd expect. They are both third-party products

  • Saitek - Allows you to connect both controllers at once (has a pass-thru) but I've been told the IR control is weak and a couple of buttons are mis-labeled
  • InterAct - Work's great but uses up one controller port (you'll need to yank it out every time you player 2P+ games) as well as blocks USB and iLink ports
If anyone knows of others let me know, I'm searching for that perfect one (Maybe sony will put one out?) I was kind of hoping my nice collection of 5 sony remotes would already do something with the damn thing (they control every other damn electronic thing in my place ;-) These both were likely rushed to market along with all the other third-party stuff in order to get them snatched up with the first round of consoles.
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  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
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