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World's Most Annoying IE Toolbar

michael posted about 12 years ago | from the someone-will-surpass-it-soon dept.

Internet Explorer 950

nautical9 writes "Following the same devious footsteps of the infamous Bonzi Buddy, Gator, and Comet Cursor "enhancements", Xupiter now has their own self-installing toolbar for IE. There are many claims that if you leave your security preferences at their default level, it will install itself without your express permission. And once on your system, it's gracious enough to reset your homepage to xupiter.com, forward all your searches to their search engine, download and automatically launch applications (like gambling applets), and blocks all attempts to set these back to normal. Removing it isn't trivial either - it automatically checks for updates upon reboot, where it constantly changes the registry settings it uses, making the jobs of spyware removal programs like AdAware or Spybot Search & Destroy much harder. No word yet if it collects and forwards personal data."

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Yeah, well I like that toolbar (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188540)

Unlike plumpernickel, who can suck my 12" troll cock.

My searches (5, Funny)

govtcheez (524087) | about 12 years ago | (#5188542)

to their credit, Xupiter's search engine returns the best quality squirrel porn I've ever seen.


Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188555)

Karma censoring in effect, thus AC.

I am still richer than you and want to Cyber!

no it won't (5, Informative)

rnd() (118781) | about 12 years ago | (#5188557)

No, if you leave your security preferences at their default level, things like this will not install. That is clearly FUD. Even if you have your security preferences a notch lower, it will still prompt you to confirm installation.

People get into the habbit of clicking "OK" whenever something pops up. Next thing they know, they have Gator and all sorts of junk installed.

Re:no it won't (1, Informative)

jkcity (577735) | about 12 years ago | (#5188673)

Not always there is many things that people can install on your computer through IE using bugs in active x controls and java script.

Re:no it won't (4, Insightful)

0x0d0a (568518) | about 12 years ago | (#5188725)

Even aside from that, why the hell does IE do installations directly from a web page? That's beyond idiotic.

Let's see, we have the technically illiterate on one hand. These people fall prey *far* more to malicious remote-install links than they are benefitted by deliberately remote-installing software. Not benefit to IE's behavior there.

Then we have the technically ept, who are quite able to download, save, and run an installer if they really want to run it. No benefit to IE's behavior there.

Frankly, IE's behavior takes a position of extreme trust of the remote end, which is just plain *stupid* in today's world.

Re:no it won't (4, Insightful)

sckeener (137243) | about 12 years ago | (#5188710)

I don't know what you are talking about but Xupiter is known for taking over IE without prompting you.

I just went through 20 minutes of deleting it!

Wrong (5, Informative)

Tuxinatorium (463682) | about 12 years ago | (#5188716)

In earlier versions of IE for windows (like the ones that come bundled with windows 98 or ME and maybe 2000) there is a very well-known security flaw that allows malicious code on a website to make the computer download and execute arbitrary files without confirmation from the user. Most people are too stupid to download the updates to fix that vulnerability, so they should blame themselves. But that's how spamware trojans like Xupiter often spread.

And anyway, isn't that the digital equivalent of mugging and rape? I mean they either install the thing on your computer without permission and it totally fucks with everythig, or they trick you into installing it by outright lying about it and not telling you what a piece of shit spamware/spyware TROJAN HORSE it is. Couldn't they easily be sued for fraud and/or hacking people's computers?

Ouch.. (1, Informative)

zeth (452280) | about 12 years ago | (#5188558)

One of my girlfriends computer has this toolbar, and it is a real pain working on that computer.

Popups can appear of nowhere, and other strange things occur, but the most disturbing thing is that it is causing other programs to crash! Okay, it's windows, but still.

It's evil!

Re:Ouch.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188668)

Then uninstall it retard....she IS your girlfriend.
get Regcleaner:
http://www.vtoy.fi/jv16/shtml/regclea ner.shtml
Learn how to use uninstallers..

Re:Ouch.. (5, Informative)

tijnbraun (226978) | about 12 years ago | (#5188689)

I found this in while reading their terms [xupiter.com] .. (which is quite scary, actually) But anyhow maybe this will help: http://www.xupiter.com/uninstall.html [xupiter.com]

THANKS (5, Funny)

ematic (217513) | about 12 years ago | (#5188560)

Thanks a lot. I clicked on the link, and now I have this stupid toolbar installed!

Re:THANKS (3, Funny)

mbyte (65875) | about 12 years ago | (#5188637)

you must be new to slashdot. you should not click every link thats here (didn't you learn form goatse.cx ? ;)


Sircus (16869) | about 12 years ago | (#5188664)

DRTFA! :-)


Briareos (21163) | about 12 years ago | (#5188680)

idm owns me

All your IDM is belong to Autechre. Launch every Richard Devine. For great DSP wankery!

Thanks a lot. I clicked on the link, and now I have this stupid toolbar installed!

You know, reading the *whole* news item beforehand might have helped... *eg*

np: Kenji Kawai - Ghosthack (Ghost In The Shell OST)

Sick the Lawyers on Them (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188564)

Make the lawyers do some good for once. We need a lobbying group for People With Common Sense, and crap like this shouldn't even be legal. If somebody performed a similar act of sabotage with other peice of personal property it'd be illegal. We need to be telling our representatives on C.H. that we're tired of this kind of crap. Sadly, our voice is fairly small. Most people don't know or care.

Re:Sick the Lawyers on Them (5, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | about 12 years ago | (#5188592)

We need laws for everything!

Every time I wiggle my mouse around or push my spacebar I need a law to clearly define what I'm doing, what my rights and responsibilities are, and what the punishments are if I wiggle that mouse a little bit too far to the left!

Laws, laws, more laws! We dont have enough laws!

People are too stupid to live lives themselves or take any sort of personal responsibility! We need laws and lawyers and lawsuits!

More LAWS! Laws are the answer.

I'm writing my congressman right now, demanding more and increasingly complicated laws!

Re:Sick the Lawyers on Them (5, Insightful)

someguy42 (609667) | about 12 years ago | (#5188638)

Stuff like this IS probably illegal in the US. However, the company programming this is in Hungary, according to the Wired article. Gonna be fairly tough to put any lawyers against them here. Legislation against this stuff won't do much good either. Foreign countries don't much care what our congress legislates and passes into law.

Misplaced blame (-1, Troll)

Strike (220532) | about 12 years ago | (#5188565)

"When I find the bastards who programmed this thing I'd be happy to castrate them with a pair of dull pinking shears," fumed one of Xupiter's many unhappy victims in a newsgroup posting.

Here they are:

One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052

This security hole is their fault, they've known about it for quite some time and still haven't fixed it.

Re:Misplaced blame (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188596)

If the parent post gets modded up at all i'm going to be very dissapointed.

Re:Misplaced blame (1)

stratjakt (596332) | about 12 years ago | (#5188652)

Of course it's modded up.

It blames microsoft for a completely unrelated businesses shady practices, blaming it on a 'security hole' with no evidence.

And of course, if Netscape/Mozilla/whatever gets popular enough, admonkeys will create a toolbar/plugin for them too.

*groan* (0, Troll)

Gentoo Fan (643403) | about 12 years ago | (#5188568)

No word yet if it collects and forwards personal data.

Is this just more mindless Microsoft bashing on Slashdot? It's one thing to post a notification of actual, privacy damaging spyware, but if it's simply annoying and you don't know if it spies on you or not then DON'T INSTALL IT!. Sheesh...

Re:*groan* (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188586)

Xupiter is one of those "drive-by" adware things. You don't even know it installs itself sometimes.

It also has no uninstaller. I had to go through the registry by hand to clean it out. That is, until I downloaded ad-aware...

Re:*groan* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188627)

Stoopid Fan did not read. It's not Microsoft bashing--it's Xupiter bashing. And the point of the whole article is that it installs itself, wether you want it to or not. So the rant about "don't install it is" moot.


IE bashing = MS bashing (1)

Gentoo Fan (643403) | about 12 years ago | (#5188693)

Stupid plugins exist for many browsers, yet the story submitter is just bitching about some random IE plugin for the sake of bashing IE.

Re:*groan* (3, Informative)

dslpwr (636101) | about 12 years ago | (#5188677)

*duh* I DIDN'T install it. It happily installed itself, and no, I didn't just mindlessly click through everything that popped up on my screen. It hijacked IE, and I couldn't kill it until I installed Spybot.

I got this one too (0, Flamebait)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | about 12 years ago | (#5188571)

It keeps asking me to get a MSDN subscription, it's really annoying, how can I remove it?

Re:I got this one too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188665)

...by paying, maybe!?

Kudos to marketing scheme (1, Funny)

lyoz (554482) | about 12 years ago | (#5188573)

ya.. now u have done it.. now every /.er will click on the link and get it installed ...

ahh... so u dont need to read the actual article to comment... damn it #*#@

Re:Kudos to marketing scheme (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188672)

Only those who use IE, wich of course no true slashdotter does. Right? All the M$ and Evil Gates talk isn't just bullshit right? We do actualy back up our claims by running software other then that wich we so bitterly complain about?

Written and not previewed on Opera 7.0 (bringing crashes to the alternative users who are homesick for the early days)

If it's going through all that trouble... (4, Insightful)

sdo1 (213835) | about 12 years ago | (#5188574)

No word yet if it collects and forwards personal data

Oh yea... as if they're going to go through all of that trouble and deception and not collect and forward personal data.



With somethign that invasive sounding (2, Insightful)

FinalCut (555823) | about 12 years ago | (#5188575)

I can't imagine that it doesn't do user tracking. If this company has the gall to basically take over your browser and the primary uses of the web (ie search) then I can't believe that they would suddenly find restraint and not track user information - a commodity they can sell.

Pretty easy fix (5, Insightful)

0x0d0a (568518) | about 12 years ago | (#5188581)

It's pretty easy to use Moz or Opera, which never started going down the security-hostile path of automated installation from *web pages*. And bookmarking. And so forth.

If you're using IE, you're running a piece of software *on your machine* which is advertising and providing the ability for a web page to basically screw your system up. If precisely this happens...well, you should have tried another browser. :-)

(If you don't like the Moz suite approach, try Phoenix)

Re:Pretty easy fix (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188621)

Bullshit. The overwhelming majority of web users don't know that there are alterntives, nonetheless what the difference is.

Re:Pretty easy fix (1)

Skidge (316075) | about 12 years ago | (#5188636)

I wonder how many problems it would cause if Microsoft disabled auto-installs and so forth in the next IE update. Does the flexibility and programmibility of IE really gain users anything? At the least, they might want to provide a bare bones web browser only version of IE that renders pages and does standard javascript.

Note: I am posting this from Mozilla.

Re:Pretty easy fix (1)

0x0d0a (568518) | about 12 years ago | (#5188691)

At the least, they might want to provide a bare bones web browser only version of IE that renders pages and does standard javascript.

For helpfile browsing, embedded html (emails, within programs, etc.) Sounds like a good idea from a technical standpoint, but it would break the "monolithic IE" model that served them so well during the antitrust trials -- I doubt it would be done.

Thank God for Mozilla (2, Insightful)

ragnar (3268) | about 12 years ago | (#5188583)

I know it isn't a perfect solution, but I only launch IE for a few pissant sites that require it. I've nearly forgotten about the hostilities of the Internet since switching to Mozilla.

Re:Thank God for Mozilla (1, Funny)

DeadSea (69598) | about 12 years ago | (#5188633)

Just this morning, I ran into the first site that I have seen that gets around Mozilla's popup blocking. It puts up a popup window whenever you click on any of the links. Mozilla allows this. Soon more sites will be doing this. I wish nobody else used Mozilla.

Re:Thank God for Mozilla (1)

jbf (30261) | about 12 years ago | (#5188667)

Depending on your settings, it can put a popup window whenever you click on any of the links. Just set javascript preferences to never allow new windows. Of course, you won't get legitimate popups...

Help! (5, Funny)

LucidityZero (602202) | about 12 years ago | (#5188588)

Help, help! My Bonzi Buddy is eating my Gator, and my Comet Cursor is header for a direct impact with Xupiter!!!

This is old news (2, Informative)

realmolo (574068) | about 12 years ago | (#5188590)

Xupiter has been around for a while. And it's NOT hard to get rid off: http://www.xupiter.com/uninstall That's it. Way to overreact guys.

Re:This is old news (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188654)

You mean Slashdot employs shoddy journalistic integrety and is as guilty of sensationalism to meet ther own political ends as any other news source? *faint*

Re:This is old news (4, Informative)

jbf (30261) | about 12 years ago | (#5188688)

RTFA: many people find the uninstaller doesn't work. And do you really trust that the uninstaller will remove any spyware they may leave behind? I mean, such a company must have incredibly high moral standards. They wouldn't do anything like leave behind spyware like Kazaa...

Complete uninstall? (5, Informative)

dachshund (300733) | about 12 years ago | (#5188700)

Xupiter has been around for a while. And it's NOT hard to get rid off: http://www.xupiter.com/uninstall That's it. Way to overreact guys.

I don't know about this week's version of the uninstaller, but previous versions were nice enough to leave behind big chunks of the program. Still running. Sort of the way a tick will leave its head behind if you yank it out with tweezers.

This is a pretty common and ugly tactic among spyware developers.

Predators improve the breed (Hi, michael!) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188593)

It's been a while since I posted a journal, and there's a few new happenings.

I got another story [slashdot.org] submitted. I'm really surprised I got this one, since I'm sure the stupid Lunix fanboys submitted this 500 times. Of course, the discussion that followed was purely anti-Microsoft, even though there are a billion LUnix systems out there that are vulnerable to other exploits, and can be just as big a pain to patch. Fucking hypocrites.

I'm improving in my ability to karma whore, as you can see. As I type this, I've got "Positive" karma, and I ping-pong pretty freely between Positive, Bad and Neutral. Not bad. Hell, I've even posted a blatant anti-michael post [slashdot.org] logged in and not been any worse for wear.

With positive karma, I'm metamodding several times a day now, pretty much marking everything as "unfair" (unless it's a troll, who's karma whoring and has been modded up. Then I either stay neutral or metamod "Fair" or "Funny"). $20 says I spend more time meta-moderating than most -- and I'm doing it for the sole purpose of getting the signal/noise ratio as low as possible. I wish my other accounts were able to metamod.

On to the subject of this little Journal: Predators improve the breed. It's occurred to me that my work, and the work of the many trolls (most of which are far more competent than I) might actually make Slashdot better if Taco were to begin listening to them. He's mentioned in his journal [slashdot.org] that he's heard all the grousing about moderation, which means grousing is not going unheard.

Don't get me wrong -- CmdrTaco is still an idiot, totally out of his league running a site like this. But the fact that he puts oil on the squeaky wheels means he has ears and can be annoyed. Unfortunatly the "oil" is an even more fucked-up moderation system [slashdot.org] , hamfistedly added to allow editors to put the "squeaky wheels" (trolls) into more-and-more-soundproof rooms instead of solving the problem. You know why divorces happen? Because the people in the relationship don't address their problems. Instead they push them aside and try their hardest to ignore them until they can't any longer, spending more energy ignoring them than they do dealing with them.

Why not just meet the issues head-on?

1) Ditch the irrational, unprofessional condescending LUnix fanboyism from the editors. As FortKnox [slashdot.org] says, "Lunix isn't always the answer. Microsoft isn't always the problem."

2) Before publishing articles, have the common sense to spellcheck and fact-check them. Is it a dupe? If you want to preserve the stupidity of the submitter, just put some "[sic]" marks in the article.

3) Don't pull a michael and add unnecessary snide remarks. It's unprofessional.

4) If you won't do #1, #2 and #3, please drop any pretense of being objective or even rational. It's insulting.

5) For fuck's sake, stop pretending you're not censoring. Stop insulting your readers' intelligence and just admit that the mod system is there so editors can ensure Slashdot reflects THEIR opinions, not those of the readers. Then you can do what you really want to do: delete comments and users that you don't like.

6) The only redeeming quality of michael is that he seems to post fewer (if any) duplicate articles. Fire him. If that's not enough, please fire him because he's the only editor with the sense to check for dupes, which probably makes the other editors jealous. Does he have rich parents or something? Is he paying Slashdot to keep him occupied so he can research his petty conspiracy lunacy?

7) I'm fully capable of reading Wired [wired.com] , The Register [theregister.co.uk] , CNN [cnn.com] and The New York Times [nytimes.com] all by myself, and I won't get Slashdot's editorial bias or mind-numbingly stupid interpretations by Slashdot editors and article submitters. Sooner or later, even the stupidest of your drooling LUnix fanboys will realize this and leave. How about stopping Slashdot from becoming the unofficial comment board for these sites?

See, Taco, that's what a lot of the grousing seems to be about. If you were to truly embrace your Liberal sensibilities, you'd see that your Predators -- your trolls -- are trying to improve their Prey -- Slashdot. It's Darwinian, you stupid twat, but you're too dense to see it.


Hahhahahaha. CmdrTaco is predictable as drool from a retard. I posted the text of this journal entry in a CmdrTaco story [slashdot.org] , and I've been bitchslapped AGAIN! Here's some cut&paste HTML from my messages:

Moderation of "Predators improve the breed." Wed Jan 29, '03 10:18 AM
Moderation of "Predators improve the breed." Wed Jan 29, '03 10:19 AM
Moderation of "Amen." Wed Jan 29, '03 10:21 AM
Moderation of "Predators improve the breed." Wed Jan 29, '03 10:21 AM
Moderation of "Predators improve the breed." Wed Jan 29, '03 10:21 AM
Moderation of "Arrogant dick. You're helping them win." Wed Jan 29, '03 10:21 AM

See how the first moderation of my thread post occurred less than a minute after I posted it? Then all those other mods occurred at the same time.

I've been bitchslapped again! Taco REALLY doesn't like it when you criticise. Such a fragile ego!

Your buddy,

P.s. It's a shame you've chosen to censor me as now I've had to resort to using one of the billion free proxies out there. Tsk, tsk.

No it doesn't :) (5, Informative)

Fnagaton (580019) | about 12 years ago | (#5188594)

I've got default security settings and while it certainly displayed a few popups nothing else got installed. If however the user clicks 'OK' to things being installed without checking what they really do first then you get what you expect. :) Rule of thumb: Never install anything while browsing when it pops up and says "Hi install me for extra wizzy things!!!".

Re:No it doesn't :) (3, Interesting)

eXtro (258933) | about 12 years ago | (#5188662)

I used Windows for about a year and found that occasionally something would install GatorWare (or however it is spelled). I narrowed down one instance to the software package that came with my RCA Lyra MP3 player but the source of others still eluded me. In the RCA case I had said "No, don't install GatorWare" but I still found myself the recipient of it.

There is some mechanism where this crap gets installed and it might not be via Internet Explorer but personally can't rule it out. When I moved to Mozilla I never had this problem any more.

Was it smart to include the link? (5, Informative)

Vapor8 (240870) | about 12 years ago | (#5188595)

Isn't it ironic that the article states all the bad things that can happen to your browser/computer if you go to their site and the toolbar is installed, yet the link is provided to it? And many of us, the curious lemmings that we are, will simply click on it... ;)

As far as I'm concerned, if you read the article and are dumb enough to go through the process of clicking the link and getting the software installed, maybe reading /. is a little over your head ;)

Seriously folks, if you're going to want to check this think out for yourself, please have enough 'smarts' to do so with a 'non-IE' browser...

Re:Was it smart to include the link? (2, Insightful)

ComaVN (325750) | about 12 years ago | (#5188695)

Relax. nothing happens without clicking "OK I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME", even at default settings. And if it did, I still have enough confidence in my ability to spot and uninstall crap.

Despicable as it may be what they're trying to do, they do want me to keep using it, so it's not like they're going to format my harddrive or show me endless goatse.cx popups.

IE (3, Funny)

davie (191) | about 12 years ago | (#5188597)

Internet Explorer

Box of chocolates

Sympathy (2, Insightful)

Darren Winsper (136155) | about 12 years ago | (#5188598)

You know, I should have sympathy for the victims of this, but I don't. The solution is simple; don't use IE! Countless security holes and other problems have occured with IE in the past, yet people still use it.

This goes double for the people I've already warned. Every time something nasty like this happens, I tell them the solution is to use something else. Then they come crying to me the next time it happens.

How to Avoid This In General (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188599)

Use alternate browsers like Mozilla when generally browsing the web. Disable 3rd party websites from sending cookies or images. When you hit a page/site Mozilla has trouble with, then and only then, should you launch IE to view that page/site. This has been my policy for about 6 months, and I'm quite content now.

Question (3, Interesting)

Mr_Silver (213637) | about 12 years ago | (#5188600)

From the article:
Xupiter is also being bundled along with at least one peer-to-peer file sharing program

Anyone know which P2P one it is?
(Mainly so I can avoid it.)

Re:Question (1)

Jezzerr (414452) | about 12 years ago | (#5188671)

Guarentee you that it'll be Kazaa full....that's always bundled with spyware

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... (5, Interesting)

eXtro (258933) | about 12 years ago | (#5188601)

When I first started using IBM compatibles there were forms of software which would install themselves on your system and were written to evade removal as well as modify your system in ways that you may or may not have approved of. Writing these packages was considered bad, and propogating them was even considered illegal. These small applications were called viruses.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's usually pretty safe to say that it's a duck. In this case all of these enhancements sound like viruses to me, or at least a derivitave of a virus. Where viruses had to be cleverly coded in order to be as small as possible and avoid detection by a skilled hacker these new pieces of code are large and increasingly rely on being able to remove software that would remove it.

If you modify my system without me requesting it then you've installed a virus on my system. I should be able to call the FBI computer crimes division and get proceedings underway that result in you getting some nice free government accomodations.

funny (1, Funny)

Boromir son of Faram (645464) | about 12 years ago | (#5188602)

I guess I still don't see what the big deal is. It's just like the email "virii" that require people to execute scripts. If you don't want the stupid toolbar, don't download and install it. If you do install it and then you change your mind, uninstall it. This is isn't rocket surgery, people.

I'm also pretty surprised to see this kind of sympathy for Windows newbs on this site. We're all well beyond computer literate, and we recognize that computers and software are just tools that do what we want. If the lusers can't take the time to learn how to use their computers properly, well, that's their own fault.

The toolbar must not fall into the hands of one who would use it to destroy us. It is folly, then, to take it to him, when we could use it ourselves for such greatness.

Funnier (1, Funny)

Angram (517383) | about 12 years ago | (#5188674)

"rocket surgery"

Hah, now that's even funnier.

We'll show them... (4, Interesting)

quizwedge (324481) | about 12 years ago | (#5188603)

Might be fun to slashdot the site for a while to, uh, "thank" them for their generous "gift"

Also, site said to report any problems to help@xupiter.com. How many requests do you think they'll get about the toolbard? :)

Man alive! (3, Funny)

stubblehead (565808) | about 12 years ago | (#5188607)

These types of apps piss me off so much! What's it gonna take for Congress to get some legislation in order...


Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter Xupiter

okay, I'm sold (1)

AssFace (118098) | about 12 years ago | (#5188609)

sign me up for 3 of them.

Xupiter has infected all Internet Cafes worldwide (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188610)

I used to think that all Internet Cafes were owned by a company named "Xupiter" - but now I know better. This Slashdot posting explains a lot.

Solution (1)

Fulkkari (603331) | about 12 years ago | (#5188615)


- Don't use IE. Try browsers like Phoenix [mozilla.org] or Opera [opera.com] .

I use IE only on Windows Update [microsoft.com] on my Windows machine.

Legal Action? (3, Interesting)

ShwAsasin (120187) | about 12 years ago | (#5188617)

Could this be considered malicious? Is there any sort of legal action you could take against the company for installing the software (hacking your machine) without your permission?

It's interesting, if a teenage computer wiz went on someones website and changed the configuration and wrote lets say "riaa is ass" they'd be charged, why is this any different? If I hack (hypothetically) into the Xupiters site and alter it, am I released from any legal liability because they did it to my machine first? Sort of like a cyber self-defence?

does this remove it ???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188618)


What? No Mac version?? (5, Funny)

christurkel (520220) | about 12 years ago | (#5188619)

But...but...I want my browser taken over too! We Mac users never any get any of the cool stuff Windows does...::snifff::

Opera & a Proxy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188620)

I run Opera and keep my IE set up for a proxy on localhost(No I don't have a proxy). Then if something needs to use IE due to integration I can add the site to the proxy bypass list.

This just in (4, Funny)

Bob Abooey (224634) | about 12 years ago | (#5188623)

There is also no word in yet if it will cause cancer or format your hard drive...

There is also no word in yet if it will blast your brain with secret radio waves that will make you submit to secret commands from the government but it's a good idea to always wear your tin-foil hat anyways.


Shit like this... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188629)

...is the only reason why M$ still maintains this "WWW client" called IE in the Mozilla age... they just WANT you to hate their proprietrary shit where every wegsite becomes a danger to your system and to your good mood..

Xupiter removal (1, Informative)

nate1138 (325593) | about 12 years ago | (#5188631)

Yes, this is a tricky bugger to remove, unless you find the uninstall. Not documented, but thanks to some nice folks in the forum, here it is:

http://www.xupiter.com/uninstall/ [xupiter.com]


Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188656)

did uninstall really ever work on windows? i thought it's afeature that uninstall wont remove every file for the case you want to re-install the software later.. since when has this changed?

Oh Boy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188634)

people go to xupiter to get more stupider...

Yes! (1)

bujoojoo (161227) | about 12 years ago | (#5188635)

ANOTHER reason to use Mozilla! [mozilla.org]

For a while now (4, Insightful)

dachshund (300733) | about 12 years ago | (#5188641)

This little beastie's been around for a while now; when I first got infected with it, most of the removal sites I found on Google were in Asian character sets, so I suppose it was pretty big over there first.

The problem with these damn things is that you never quite know how they got onto your machine. I'm always very careful about what I install, and which dialog boxes I say "OK" to, but there's always the possibility that I accidentally let something slip through. I suppose that's why people aren't 100% sure if it can install itself right from IE without confirmation.

I'm getting increasingly sick of using IE, but I'm constantly running across sites that Mozilla just can't handle properly (or swiftly). And yes, I've cranked up the security level, though god knows why there exists any level of "security" that would allow unconfirmed installs.

It's not a security "hole"... (2, Informative)

TheReckoning (638253) | about 12 years ago | (#5188644)

... it's having your ActiveX security at default permissions, which in itself is a boneheaded move by Microsoft.

Basically, default permissions say that any "signed" ActiveX control is OK to install without a prompt. So Xupiter just goes ahead and installs it.

People need to read up and learn how to use the (fairly powerful) security settings in IE6, and Microsoft needs to be chastized again for making default security too trusting.

But it's NOT a bug.

all the more reason to visit one or more of these: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188645)


How to get away from... (1)

tibike77 (611880) | about 12 years ago | (#5188648)

Hey, if you insist on using the damn IE (like I do) just set your security settings to "paranoia". Set everything to "prompt", disable everything that you don't think you'll need, etc. Just use some other browser... or better... get a shell somewhere and browse with "links", or even "lynx". It won't be pretty, but... who needs images when you have text? :)

A Temporary Fix... (4, Interesting)

graphicartist82 (462767) | about 12 years ago | (#5188649)

Would be to activate IE's "Disable 3rd Party Extensions" option (In IE6: Tools-> Internet Options-> Advanced -> 12th Option Under the "Browsing" section)..

I was fixing somebody's computer that had this toolbar installed and it would crash IE every time you opened IE (Or tried browsing the web via windows explorer). But once I Disabled 3rd Party Browser Extensions, it worked fine...

Can this be categorised as a virus? (1)

vano2001 (617789) | about 12 years ago | (#5188650)

Supposing that this app does indeed install without user intervention (I doubt it... not even a lousy IE install confirmation dialog?), what differentiates it from a virus? Can programs like this be considered a virus? If so it would be interesting to see them get sued just like virus-creators are caught. IMHO this type of programs can even be worse than a virus. A virus sometimes destroys or degenerates its host. But these apps suck and abuse the host.

Re:Can this be categorised as a virus? (1)

tibike77 (611880) | about 12 years ago | (#5188684)

"A virus sometimes destroys or degenerates its host. But these apps suck and abuse the host."
So you can say that Xupiter's tool bar is not a virus, it's a suckrus :)

Simple tip for IE users (4, Informative)

Boss, Pointy Haired (537010) | about 12 years ago | (#5188659)

Here's an alternative way to use the Security Zones of Internet Explorer to protect you from crap like this.

First, set the "Trusted Sites" zone to the "MEDIUM" level.


(People seem to flame this idea as a security risk without understanding that last bit)

Then, modify the "Internet Zone" and disable Active Scripting.

Finally, add all your favourite sites to the "Trusted Sites" zone.

You can now enjoy the full functionality of JavaScript etc. on your frequently visited sites including the usual protection of the Internet Zone.

Any site not in the Trusted Sites list cannot use JavasSript and so prevents pop-ups and other nasties such as self installing spy-ware.

Auto-Install (4, Informative)

Foxxz (106642) | about 12 years ago | (#5188661)

I did get this toolbar without clicking yes to anything. I wasn't on xupiter's website. I was browsing and after i was done i closed explorer. When i opened it back up late there was the tool bar. I still dont know where i got it. It took me a while to figure out who it belonged to and how to rid myself of it. I flamed away afterwards.


Automatic downloads (4, Informative)

Lumpish Scholar (17107) | about 12 years ago | (#5188666)

On my Windows 98 SE box, I now browse with Phoenix [mozilla.org] almost all the time. I've discovered, though, that some browser downloads Internet Explorer asks me about, Phoenix installs automatically. (Phoenix seems a little too promiscuous about accepting Java, and doesn't remove .class files when it flushes the cache. Check the %WINDIR%/.jpi_cache/ directory structure.)

It's the kind of thing you might expect from a 0.5 release; unfortunately, it's not the kind of thing you should only expect from Microsoft.

Detected by Norton Internet Security (4, Informative)

bfwebster (90513) | about 12 years ago | (#5188675)

My first clue about Xupiter was last night when my NIS alerted me that something called XupiterToolbar was trying to access the net. I blocked it, did a google search on Xupiter, found Spybot S&D, downloaded it, ran it, and found a whole slew of spyware, which I purged.

Time to recheck my security settings. ..bruce..

A Microsoft Securty Problem? Or a User Problem? (1)

ausoleil (322752) | about 12 years ago | (#5188676)

Here at the ole corporate plantation, we get calls every day from people who have installed apps like this and now wonder why their IE won't work right, or they are getting illicit (gambling, nekkid chicks, etc.) pop-ups and the like. Of course, they all go doe-eyed and deny they did anything wrong.

Usually, it is something seemingly innocuous like Xupiter, or Gator. As much as I detest Microsoft, I can't really blame them for this one. After all, they didn't make the software MAKE the user click on the download and install buttons, did they?

People should know better, but they don't. I guess it goes back to the analogy of you don't have to know how to rebuild the engine to drive the car, but they should be aware enough to know that after four times, their computer won't work as well when they put some free trash on it to make it pretty or better.

At the end of the day, the biggest security hole is the user. And no software can ever change that.

Get a real browser! (-1, Troll)

netsharc (195805) | about 12 years ago | (#5188678)

Don't use IE, get a real browser, for example the newly released Opera 7.0 [opera.com] , which is faster, more standards compliant, doesn't have any security exploits and doesn't allow just any DLL to attach to it! :)

Can we have some actual sanity? (2, Insightful)

kahei (466208) | about 12 years ago | (#5188681)

1 -- It does not magically install itself, you have to either tell IE to let any old junk execute or click on the OK button yourself. Either way, it's your fault.

2 -- It is not hard to remove. There's even an uninstaller provided that works (I just tried it on a sacrificial computer).

3 -- No matter how much you like Linux or Mozilla or whatever, mere anti-MS fear and loathing is not news.

Thank you for your attention.

uh der der (-1)

SantaDaddy (250328) | about 12 years ago | (#5188683)

Sir, you see the start button. Click it and then select "shutdown". Then make sure to turn it all off and unplug it from the socket. Place the computer back into the box and seal it shut. Thanks and have a great day.

Self-installing programs are illegal. (5, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 12 years ago | (#5188686)

In this country (UK) we have something called the 'Computer Missuse Act'. This is a very dull piece of legislation which says (among other things) that using someones computer without their consent is illegal. Any program which runs on your computer without your explicit consent therefore violates this. If you click 'Okay', on the other hand...

terrorists! (2, Funny)

QEDog (610238) | about 12 years ago | (#5188687)

this things behaves so much like a virus, that i'm sure they have to support evil terrorist with it...

(maybe with claims like that we can convince the goverment to go start witch hunts that will go after all the irritating things like that one)

The simple solution is (1)

suman28 (558822) | about 12 years ago | (#5188692)

Don't use IE. Use Phoenix, Mozilla, Netscape or Opera. I haven't faced any such problems since I switched. The other way is to get free versions of pop-up blockers [panicware.com] so that you don't click OK on everything that pops up. This is nothing new. I am sure this was a piggyback install on something else. You just need to read the fine print before agreeing.

Damn browser compatabilities.. (1)

nother_nix_hacker (596961) | about 12 years ago | (#5188701)

Whens it coming out for Mozilla?

In other news today... (1)

Noryungi (70322) | about 12 years ago | (#5188702)

Opera announced a 220% increase in the number of downloads.

Seriously, though, if you have to use Windows at work (which is my case -- *sigh*), try Opera 7... You'll never look back on IE again.

At least that's what I did -- Opera 7 for windows is schweeeeet! =)

Other ways to do this. (1)

Henry V .009 (518000) | about 12 years ago | (#5188703)

Heh. I'd like to see the script kiddies and virus writers try to emulate stuff like this. Either it's legal and anyone can do it, or it's illegal and they shut everybody down.

You could have an anti-Microsoft toolbar. Anti-RIAA/MPAA/DMCA. Pro-linux toolbar.
A Goatse toolbar...no that's too terrible. Ban it. Ban it all.

Removal information (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188709)

If you have got this stupid toolbar installed, here are some removal informations [youdontknowwhoiam.org] . Basicly, you need to edit the right regkeys and delete some VBS files

It's a monster (5, Informative)

rudog (98586) | about 12 years ago | (#5188711)

My wife was unfortunate enough to "click through" and victimize herself with this thing. I happened to notice 20-30 different sessions being generated every few minutes through our firewall and started tcpdump to find out what was happening.

After finding that it did indeed have my wife's credit card number/home address/phone number I asked her what she used it for; She said that she didn't know where it came from but that it was causing her laptop to crash about every ten minutes ever since it added itself to her IE toolbar.

I then spent about 3.5 hours hacking the WinME registry trying to peel this thing out of her laptop because it's 'uninstall' doesn't!

Isn't there a law against this? (1)

perspex (635004) | about 12 years ago | (#5188712)

Perhaps the DMCA might have one useful purpose...

perspex -- ruler of all cheez (tm)

Using popup blocker from panicware (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188715)

...and it nicely helps you avoid the trap.

There's a free version.


I have a solution to this garbage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#5188719)

Any company who unknowingly installs spyware, adware, etc. should be prosecuted for distributing a computer virus. Seems reasonable to me. Many of these programs seem to have affects WORSE than many viruses. They crash your computer, violate your privacy, and infringe on your right to free commerce.

Heck, if you get SQL Slammer worm, you can atleast get rid of it. These new spyware programs really are a disease like infection.

Start throwing some of the company's CEO into prison for a few years, and our problems will disappear.

Solution (1)

will_die (586523) | about 12 years ago | (#5188720)

Get a copy of GoBack 3, and use it.
Works great for the removal of viruses, fixing system crashes that damage stuff, etc.

Which of these words doesn't belong. (2, Funny)

MongooseCN (139203) | about 12 years ago | (#5188727)

Lets play a game, which of these words doesn't belong in this list:

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