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IE6 SP1 Will Be Last Standalone Version

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the end-of-an-era dept.

Internet Explorer 723

mokiejovis writes "Program manager Brian Countryman stated that "as part of the OS, IE will continue to evolve, but there will be no future standalone installations. IE6 SP1 is the final standalone installation." See the Microsoft TechNet article." Several of the people submitting this story have come up with elaborate theories about why: killing competition, etc. etc. I think the truth is just that Microsoft intends to integrate DRM very tightly with their OS and browser, and they're aren't going to try to backport that to, say, Win98, so they just aren't going to release new versions of their browser for old, DRM-less operating systems. In the future server-side browser detection may be more about detecting whether the browser supports the DRM your "web service" uses than what version of Javascript or CSS the browser supports.

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FUD all the way (-1, Offtopic)

eaglebtc (303754) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085172)

Uh oh! Better fire up the FUD-generator!

IMPORTANT!!! The Linux Gay Conspiracy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085239)

Update: "Fist Sport" explained. (05/17/01)


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It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of SLIT ANUS OR VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.

Richard M. Stallman [geocities.com] , spokespervert for the Gaysex is Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of MANS CRAM THRILL AD.

Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of ANAL COX which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.cx] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, [Buy At Amazon [50megs.com] ] is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for SECONDARY RIM and CORD IN MY ARSE. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for "Felch Male" - a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, "felching" is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into "e-male."

As far as Richard "(cock)Master" Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following:

RMS: "I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance," he says. "It's about being able to question conventional wisdom," he asserts. "I believe in love, but not monogamy," he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com] !

Speaking about "flaming," who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.cx] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org] . To quote from the article linked:

"I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as "Slashdot's resident Gasbag." Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.cx] terminology found inside the Linux "Sauce Code," a "Gasbag" is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, "piss-pipe"), then his homosexual [goatse.cx] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the Slack-wear fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of CLAW ARSE, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.cx] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for DARK AMEN and RAM NAKED, which is what they do.

Another "distro," (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like "Disco," which is where homosexuals [goatse.cx] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian [mandrake.com] , an anagram of IN A BED, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. "Woody" is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase "Frozen Potato" that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.cx] "Sauce Code," refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.cx] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the "supermount" tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. "Automount" is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of "mount points." These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously /anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say "There is no /opt mount point" because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love 'man', even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out 'man'. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the "FAQ," but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Some more proof of Linux's inherent gayness has come to my attention. Readers of Slashdot [slashduh.org] , a prominent Linux evangelism site, often compete to get the "First Post" on a new story. While this may at first seem like harmless inanity, "first post" is actually an anagram for the much more sinister FIST SPORT, obviously referring to the disgusting homosexual practice of "fisting", whereby one man forces first his clenched fist then the rest of his queer arm up into the lower intestine of another man. How any proper Christian person could find pleasure in this practice is abhorrent.

Also on Slashdot, half of the postings to these articles begin with, in big capital letters, I ANAL, which requires no explanation, and is so blatantly filthy it boggles the mind.

Even the title "Slashdot [geekizoid.com] " originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.cx] practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous hemosexuals [geocities.com] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.goatse.cx/ [osdn.com] .

The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.cx] names: "Hemos" is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from "Homos." But even more sickening is "Commander Taco" which sounds a bit like "Commode in Taco," filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these "Taco Commodes" have special "Salsa Sauce" (blood from a ruptured rectum) and "Cheese" (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!

The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.cx] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, The Village People [olsentwins.com] , featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. "Slash - Dot" is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled "stumpers."


What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux "Sauce code" once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase "Monolithic Kernel"?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.cx] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA [nra.org] free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. - mighty jebus [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the "Open Sauce" movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [xenu.net] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely [queernet.org] in case you're interested.
(Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly - who are the real crazies - people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) - double_h [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux "sauce code" is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: "Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow." And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by A Black Man [stileproject.com] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to "Pearl Necklace" for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. - phee [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to "Pearl Monocle", "Pearl Nosering", and the ubiquitous "Pearl Enema".

One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.cx] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry "Balls to the" Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation [goatse.cx] , Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of "colon kissing," whereby two homosexual [goatse.cx] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as "Parameter Passing".

And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. - Eimernase [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I DO know that homosexual [goatse.cx] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an "extension" to the Linux "Sauce Code," for the sake of "interoperability." (The slang term they use for non-consensual intercourse - their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the "Samba Mount," into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the "Samba Mount" collapses due to "overload," and needs to be "rebooted." (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their "uptime" in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend +1, Underrated, as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened "Bender"???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of "Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours," but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a "number two," as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [geocities.com] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org] , which is an acronym for Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator) across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License, according to geekacronyms.org [geekizoid.com] ) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com] , but that name is KNOWN to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of "Source Control" unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like "Sauce Control," which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.cx] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And "Open Sauce" is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, "Closed Sauce" is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of "soggy biscuit" that open "sauce" development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, The WIPO Troll, FreeWIPO, Bring BackATV. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version is based on the all-too-rare backup copy sent to FreeWIPO [5u.com] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Re-reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Additional stuff done in preparation for the future. Addition of F.I.R.S.T.P.O.S.T. for the sake of decent folk everywhere!

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding 'man' and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Matrix Reloaded --- sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085354)

Anybody working on this?
We got to punish these fuckers for making this shit.

tp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085175)

stand alone? I thought IE was already part of windows.

Re:tp (1)

molotovcD (626566) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085300)

as windows IE ias integrated into windows even more I see aproblem when trying to change your browser. I can imagine that Win users will have a harder time moving over to other Browsers because IE is more integrated into Windows. From a business point of view, this is a good move, ethically, it is not.

Browser detection (5, Interesting)

Phroggy (441) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085178)

In the future server-side browser detection may be more about detecting whether the browser supports the DRM your "web service" uses than what version of Javascript or CSS the browser supports.

Browser detection has always been about identifying what capabilities the browser supports, or what bugs need to be worked around. Otherwise you wind up with sites that don't work in some browsers, and everybody bitches at you for not supporting them. The key is to not redirect to a page recommending that the user download IE or Netscape, since that really pisses people off.

I don't plan on producing DRM-protected content, so I don't plan on detecting browser support for it.

translation (2, Funny)

matt4077 (581118) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085183)

"Several people came up with conspiracy theories but these dont belong in the article. So I decided to give you my own theory."

Re:translation (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085310)

The modern liberal is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for freeloading off of one's countrymen.

Already partly discussed here... (4, Informative)

Sebby (238625) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085189)

on a previous story [slashdot.org]

Re:Already partly discussed here... (-1, Offtopic)

ILuvUAmiga (578974) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085206)

Ah, you mean grammar. Correctness of gramaticalness? ROFL.

Re:Already partly discussed here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085245)

Smooth... really smooth...

Erm... (1)

Tyrdium (670229) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085190)

Does this mean that you have to upgrade your OS every time a new feature comes out?

Re:Erm... (4, Informative)

The Only Druid (587299) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085242)

No, it means that the new features will be implemented the same way Windows Update does it for integrated aspects of the OS now: it will be downloaded and installed onto the system. What this means is that you will not be able to JUST get IE, but instead only get it through Windows.

Re:Erm... (5, Insightful)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085282)

I wonder what this means for IE on the Mac?

Re:Erm... (1)

Smitty825 (114634) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085309)

This is a good point. IE for the Mac isn't the best product ever created, however there are some websites that require IE to run. If Mac users lost out on this, I think it would be bad during the long run...

Re:Erm... (4, Informative)

Trurl's Machine (651488) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085351)

I wonder what this means for IE on the Mac?

If I get it right, MSIE 6 is already not available as a standalone application for MacOS - it has only a "sort of" presence as a part of the whole MSN for MacOS X [microsoft.com] package.

Re:Erm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085380)

Who knows? Who cares?

No more bugs in IE! Yea! (5, Interesting)

Thomas Wendell (98443) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085194)

> IE6 SP1 is the final standalone installation.

That's a pretty funny statement. The service packs are bug releases, hence they contain required changes that were not originally planned. How can Microsoft claim this is the last one that will be needed? Does this mean Microsoft will just abandon all of their users still running older versions of Windows?

I suggest this is just laying the groundwork for FUD to force users to pay Microsoft to "upgrade" their OS in order to replace the latest IE security vulnerability with a whole new set of problems, vulnerabilities, incompatibilities and restrictions.

Re:No more bugs in IE! Yea! (5, Informative)

shepd (155729) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085218)

>Does this mean Microsoft will just abandon all of their users still running older versions of Windows?

Yes. They already have for windows 95. Windows 98 isn't far down the road, as is ME.

Re:No more bugs in IE! Yea! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085232)

You almost sound bitter. I'd be overjoyed by having microsoft leave ME alone.

Re:No more bugs in IE! Yea! (5, Informative)

gordyf (23004) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085225)

They're referring to IE6 SP1 as a version number, like Mozilla 1.4 RC1. They aren't referring to the service pack itself.

And yes, they will abandon older versions of Windows. Do they still support Windows 3.1?

Re:No more bugs in IE! Yea! (4, Funny)

SkArcher (676201) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085248)

They no longer support Windows 98 either, officially, and Me... well, Me is M$'s bastard grandchild OS and all copies of it should have been burnt in the pressing house.

Just my personal bias, that.

Re:No more bugs in IE! Yea! (2, Funny)

Pinguu (677142) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085231)

No more bugs in IE! Yea!
How many times do we have to tell you? They're not bugs, they're features!

Re:No more bugs in IE! Yea! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085316)

That's a pretty funny statement. The service packs are bug releases, hence they contain required changes that were not originally planned. How can Microsoft claim this is the last one that will be needed? Does this mean Microsoft will just abandon all of their users still running older versions of Windows?

Not exactly. Service packs for IE have always been full blown standalone installations. When Microsoft wants to release a SP like bundle of patches they call it a security rollup. I'm sure these will still be released when needed.

I suggest this is just laying the groundwork for FUD to force users to pay Microsoft to "upgrade" their OS in order to replace the latest IE security vulnerability with a whole new set of problems, vulnerabilities, incompatibilities and restrictions.

I suggest you haven't been paying attention very well since it has been known for a while that IE6 would be the last version. Microsoft has been shifting the focus of its browser development to the MSN product. Whether or not you think that's a good idea is an entirely different argument.

Thanks michael (4, Insightful)

Telex4 (265980) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085195)

I think the truth is just that...

I don't remember the role of the editor including giving personal opinions over and above those stated in linked articles. Why don't editors submit the story with a summary of other people's reasons, then post their own comment?

I do agree with Michael though, it seems fairly pluasible. All the same, it obviously has a competition-killing aspect to it, since Microsoft will tightly control their DRM technology, meaning that DRM-only web sites will probably be IE only, or at the very best IE plus other browsers whose licenses allow embedded proprietary code.

Re:Thanks michael (5, Insightful)

PFAK (524350) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085252)

Im wondering how this would be implemented. Browsers already such as Opera can fake the version that the browser is identifed as. How will DRM work in this case? Will there be an encrypted key or something else?

Serously now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085266)

"I don't remember the role of the editor including giving personal opinions over and above those stated in linked articles."

what did you expect? this is slashdot!

Re:Thanks michael (4, Insightful)

skillet-thief (622320) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085277)

I don't remember the role of the editor including giving personal opinions over and above those stated in linked articles. Why don't editors submit the story with a summary of other people's reasons, then post their own comment?

Remember: in a newspaper, the editorial is where the editor gives his personal opinion.

Re:Thanks michael (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085303)

It's simple, really. Remember: this isn't a newspaper. It is not a real news source. Linking to other networks and sites does not make you a legitimate news site, which is fine. The term editor is being used in an unconventional way for Slashdot, so don't hold editors to genuine editorial standards.

Re:Thanks michael (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085365)

"Slashdot - News for Nerds. Stuff that matters."

NEWS for nerds. not editorials for nerds. We should be getting the stories and nothing else. Microsoft gets a horrible name because people always are effected by what the articles have to say. If news submitters AND editors alike would stop with the personal opinions i would be very happy.

Re:Thanks michael (5, Insightful)

mt_nixnut (626002) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085283)

Microsoft will tightly control their DRM technology, meaning that DRM-only web sites will probably be IE only, or at the very best IE plus other browsers whose licenses allow embedded proprietary code.

This is the most disturbing part of this whole story for me. Disturbing because this fits so well with what has been MS SOP for years now. I guess now that the fear of the GOV and litigation have been removed it is time to take monopolizing to the next level.


Of course I'm paranoid it's crazy not to be!

Re:Thanks michael (1)

pohl (872) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085332)

I don't remember the role of the editor including giving personal opinions over and above those stated in linked articles.

That's curious. I wonder why newspapers use the word "editorial" to describe opinion pieces. Maybe you've got an etymological theory to account for that?

Captain's Log: I don't remember any corn (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085196)

One day Captain Kirk was maiming his cock with a horseshoe when suddenly Mr. Spock ran up to him and shoved his pointy ear up his butt. "What is this for!" the fag captain said. "FAGS FOR YOU AALL!L!!!" the ancient alien howled as suddenly he farted and Captain Kirk twirled around in a daze and his foreskin twisted and his kidney stones turned into wooden beads. He pulled out his pistol and shot lasers at his chastity belt and suddenly he hurdled his dick into Captain Kirk"s bellybutton and it tore his flesh while Spock fagged his stomach. Kirk hollered out loud and Mr. Spock threw his shoes to the floor and wrinkled his penis until Kirk bellowed out to make it stop. Awful turds whizzed around the ship and suddenly a giant fag appeared out side and the U.S.S. Enterprise went up his butt. "Oh what the hell have you gotten us into NOW!" Captain Kirk said as he oozed a condom back on his dick and put his panties back on. "OOH!H!!!!!!" Mr. Spock started fagging him again and shoved his phazer up his butt. He dissolved his glands and exploded his turds and finally a queer klingon hurdled through the door and smashed Kirk with his butt hairs. A maniac sucked his dick and suddenly Mr. Spock fagged Kirk so hard that his intestoids burst open and he died. THE END.

Re:Captain's Log: I don't remember any corn (0, Redundant)

krray (605395) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085229)

Do you have NOTHING better to do on a Saturday morning and/or afternoon?

What are you trying to tell us? That with Microsoft's next IE move we should all just bend over because we're about to get screwed?

Yo mama so fat (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085198)

she ha her own post code!

COOL! Finally Microsoft is listening! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085199)

That way we can ensure that we are uniquely identified! No more worries about security, privacy, or LINUX.

Wonder what Darl thinks about this one?

Justice department (5, Insightful)

zackeller (653801) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085201)

Is it me or is this exactally the thing the DOJ had them in court for so long to prevent? And finally won?

Re:Justice department (4, Insightful)

Elladan (17598) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085237)

You mean lost. Sure, they won in court, but it turned out, they couldn't compete with Microsoft politically.

Microsoft can do whatever it pleases now, it knows the government is a paper tiger.

How about in Europe? (4, Interesting)

zonix (592337) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085359)

On a similar note, wouldn't this make things even worse for Microsoft's with regards to the antitrust case in the EU? If I'm not mistaken, the Media Player bundling is a big deal already?


Here we go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085207)

with the conspiracy theories. You people should go work for the government.

My favorite question (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085209)

Host: Rob (Microsoft)

Q: when will IE get transparent PNG support?

A: Ian, I'm sorry, I can't answer that question for you
What? It's only been how many years since they promised? This is why IE having a strangehold is a bad thing. It holds back implementation of "new" technology like PNG.

Re:My favorite question (2, Insightful)

SkWaSH (562395) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085327)

:P Microsoft has a reputation for creating their own technologies (ie: WMA, WMV) so it _really_ wouldn't surprise me if we see a WMG sometime soon. Then when we ask about PNG, they will probably say something stupid like "We feel that WMG is a sufficient replacement for preceding technologies . . . etc"

Oh!!, Just another reson to talk to CTO!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085214)

Its another reason to go and talk to CTO and tell him to evaluate TCO again in favor of another browser, ie. Mozilla.

Mozilla beware!! (5, Interesting)

pardasaniman (585320) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085215)

Tying a browser to hardware can be really bad for us mozilla men. Online Banking will jump on it real fast. Secure communication will later require IE for authentication. This would put us at a huge disadvantage. I had a thought: Would it be possible to run a "Virtual Palladium" (software driven)? It'd involve running parts of the software in a virtualization machine like bochs. Microsoft patented the hardware not any software.

Re:Mozilla beware!! (5, Insightful)

andy1307 (656570) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085355)

Online Banking will jump on it real fast.

Why? Online banking works just fine today. The banks will cater to the lowest common denominator. If even 10% of their users have problems accessing their online banking accounts, the cost of customer service calls will by HUGE. Most features and services are designed to cut down on customer service calls.

Re:Mozilla beware!! (4, Insightful)

mystik (38627) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085381)

Is it technically possible? Yes.

Would the Root certificate provider sign this virtual implementation? Almost certanly not.

You could virtualize it at just about any layer. But the whole point of palladium is to ensure the whole thing is running on 'trusted [by the content provider]' hardware.

So how exactly has IE evolved in the last 5 years? (5, Insightful)

BillsPetMonkey (654200) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085216)

IE will continue to evolve, ...

As far as I can tell, development of IE's features was iced around 5 years ago. Compare and contrast with Opera, Mozilla, Phoenix ... etc. ...

Re:So how exactly has IE evolved in the last 5 yea (0, Flamebait)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085323)

Mozilla took the last 4 years to rehash a more stable but slower version of netscape 4.X with tabs, phoenix is basically just the browser component of Mozilla. They have not exactly revolutionised they world with innovation over said period.

DRM (1)

Qacker (658930) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085220)

I think that at first this will only be used for Microsoft stuff like Passport and MS updates but knowing how some companies follow Microsoft soon the only sites us Linux people can use will be slashdot, gnu, and other OSS news and project sites...of course that will all change after the revolution :)

No Real Loss (4, Interesting)

SkArcher (676201) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085222)

What I am expecting will happen is that IE will be absorbed into the integrated office environment, in the same way the Word/Excel et al are being drawn into just one package.

By bundling everything in together (probably with a mail client), M$ no longer have to worry about the opposition packages. It also would no surprise me to see integrated OS and Office package bundles/licenses, to keep out the competition.

As for the lack of support for DRM in Win98 being a motivation for no longer producing a standalone version, remember that M$ officially no longer supports Win98 installations.

Re:No Real Loss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085388)

The official 'dead-date' is June 30 2003

I've still got 31 days left ...


Why should they backpord to DRM-less systems? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085223)

It's not about supporting your customers base but making DRM reality. Monkeys at the Linux band will do so as well, otherwise their commercially driven OS will be simply end in the dumpster.

A move against linux in the desktop? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085226)

They just want to avoid the use of MSIE + Wine...

The fact that many web sites rely on MSIE in the client side is a lock-up mechanism.

Re:A move against linux in the desktop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085250)

No, its the combo of both sites and MSFT being happy at the same time and OSS/FS monkeys left out.

Sweet! (5, Insightful)

macshune (628296) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085233)

It's the beginning of the end for private personal computing as we know it!

Anyone got some champagne?

DRM is not a feature - no need for new browsers. (3, Insightful)

zapp (201236) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085235)

I for one, don't care. I haven't seen anything I would call a "feature" since ... well... a while. IE6's media integration and image handling are more of an annoyance than a feature, and I CERTAINLY don't concider DRM support a feature.

When DRM comes around, I'm moving to something else.

ahem? (2, Interesting)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085240)

Is this the same microsoft that was told it couldnt bundle the browser with its OS?

Microsoft on its way out (5, Insightful)

smilinggoat (443212) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085244)

I think that Microsoft's grand plan to move the world over to Trusted Computing will end up cornering them into a one-dimensional business plan. Anything outside that market will end up thriving. Robust alternatives like linux and Mac OS will become the dominant platform because they will not corner themselves into discreet markets, but rather, will continue to expand.

If this is the last stand-alone version of IE they are betting that their operating system and plan is the *only* operating system and plan. If they make too many mistakes in their Trusted Computing movement they may fail entirely as a company in the near future.

Re:Microsoft on its way out (2, Funny)

Loosewire (628916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085254)

You know i love when slashdotters say things like this, i really wish i could beleive them too :-(

Microsoft cannot be punished... (sigh) (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085249)

1. Microsoft ships their browser for free with the OS, fairly tightly integrated, thus marginalizing Netscape and any other browser on Windows.
2. Netscape et. al. convinces Gov't to sue MS for monopolistic, anticompetitive practices.
3. MS is found guilty of monopolistic, anticompetitive practices.
4. MS is slapped on the wrist by the Gov't and promises to play nice, ships OS update to remove the IE icon from the desktop.
5. {six months pass}
6. MS announces even tighter integration of IE into the OS.

Pity they weren't broken up.

Re:Microsoft cannot be punished... (sigh) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085278)

7. Profit!!!

Re:Microsoft cannot be punished... (sigh) (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085338)

Microsoft ships their browser for free with the OS

It's a pretty wide gap of logic to call shipping it with the OS "free". The last time I checked Windows XP cost $200 [bestbuy.com] .

MS is slapped on the wrist by the Gov't and promises to play nice, ships OS update to remove the IE icon from the desktop.

Indeed, Microsoft had to release a tool to allow the end user to pretend it didn't exist if they wanted. However the "removing an icon" isn't some big win for the consumer: That whole debate was about the right of VAR's, not consumers, to choose what you would get. In other words it's moving the forceful control from one large company to another. (Don't think Mega Hardware Company wanted the right because they love you. They want the right to get into lucrative cross promotion agreements. If Microsoft didn't maintain brand control over your desktop, I wouldn't at all be surprized to see some brands shipping with ads on the desktop. Maybe preinstalled Gator).

MS announces even tighter integration of IE into the OS.

To me the tighter integration is exactly what many critics wanted: Now to get IE 7 (or the integrated simile) you'll have to buy the next operating system: There is no way anyone can call that "free". Microsoft's claims that it was part and parcel with the operating system before was hard to justify given that one could download the same newer version for older OS', and even for alternate OS'.

Oh well (1)

pkunzipper (652520) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085253)

All the more reason to use Mozilla.

Looking back on the Internet's development... (2, Insightful)

eaglebtc (303754) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085255)

Did we see this coming? DRM being necessary all across the board? Its founders (ARPANet excluded) wanted the Internet to be a free-exchange market of Information. I only hope, with all this control and rights-restriction, that it does not become such a restricted tool that it is left in the hands of a few individuals who make the decisions for the masses.

Bottom line, if this ultimately makes the Internet a more secure place to do business, then I'm all for it. Digital signatures would be very cool once they are implemented on a global scale. No more paper filing, the trees would be happier :), and best of all, if this is implemented well, that bond of trust between businesses and consumers can be strengthened.

On the other hand, I still don't want to see everything on the Internet become a pay service.

MS want more $ ;-) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085256)

When you are already the #1 to get more money you need to be more monopolistic ;-)

A solution to save MS, is to splitt them !

But will US gov be strong enough to fight against the MS lobby ?

They were not even able to resist agains the oil lobby, so how could they do so :(


*blinks* (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085258)

And AOL just gave how much away for the rights to use this for the next 7 years???

DRM????? (-1, Troll)

stoops (633175) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085259)

DRM? It would be nice if you wouldn't use not-so-common acronyms in posts without explaining them... now i gotta go look it up, how boring.

So MS has decided to stop competing? (4, Informative)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085260)

Seriously. Isn't this a bad move for them to make regarding the anti-trust suit? Doesn't this kill their whole "freedom to innovate" mantra?

In any case, it doesn't really matter. Strange that Microsoft would virtually abandon a project that could have much work done to it, and yet try to push along new OS/Office versions which really have much possible improvement.

Maybe they are realizing that they can't compete with the Moz group, and are deciding to go in through the back door, back to their old tricks.

All your whining finally lands on us... (2, Insightful)

pVoid (607584) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085262)

An important change of the IE Enhanced Security Configuration is that any HTML content hosted using Internet Explorer runs with lower privileges for example the MMC uses Internet Explorer to render HTML and therefore your HTML may run with lower privileges... privileges ... by default Lower privileges means that by default script and activex among other things will be blocked. However, as an application developer you can add the URL of the content you need to work to the ESC Trusted sites list either through the API, the preferred way, or directly to the registry, in both scenarios though its VERY important to make sure you write to the ESC Trusted sites, not vanilla Trusted Sites [...]

I've always said it, and I always will, the community's incessant bitching about how insecure microsoft is has led to attrocities in design.

Example: Windows file protection - to avoid DLL Hell. DLL Hell was pure and simple bad user habits (running in Administrator mode etc etc). So they made a system that completely bypasses security, and disallows everyone on your system from changing files... even administrators. It's a travesty, that's what it is.

Well, here we see another travesty: because of simple HTML script exploits, which under normal circumstances (ie, if you weren't running as admin) would have very little consequences, Moft has come up with another travesty, has introduced 'state' into what should be stateless... And as a result, I just can feel the hours and hours of headache that is now set upon us programmers, for the rest of time.

I can clearly recall posts on slashdot, (but to be fair: /. isn't the only guilty body, every bitchy tech writer of the times is), saying how IE had too many priviledges.

All I have to say is BULLSHIT... IE has as many priviledges as the user running it - and as such, just as many, not any more than Mozilla running at the same user level.

Now, because of that bitching, we have a 'lowered priviledge set'... something which isn't based on users... it's a whole policy scheme... It's introducing complexity where there is no need for any... Yadi yada... *Sigh*...

Boo on everyone.

Re:All your whining finally lands on us... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085284)

Windows non-NT never had true user/administrator seperation, so it's hardly the user's fault for not running as non-administrator. Even in NT/2K/XP, you still can get away with it, because a lot of applications rely on Windows to not have this, and won't run as anything other administrator. Microsoft brought it on itself, not lazy users.

Re:All your whining finally lands on us... (4, Insightful)

skillet-thief (622320) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085314)

I've always said it, and I always will, the community's incessant bitching about how insecure microsoft is has led to attrocities in design.

The community may bitch, but MS is doing the design. Why would MS's reaction to community bitching be the communities fault and not MS's fault?

You have a strange concept of responsibility. (Troll?)

Re:All your whining finally lands on us... (1, Interesting)

pVoid (607584) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085372)

No it's definitely not a troll... I'm dead serious.

I don't know why you would think Microsoft would introduce a new security measure if it didn't think people wanted it. It would much rather invest money in making cool gimmicks.

Microsoft quite consistently responds to what people bitch about - whether these are legitimate things or not. You really have to distinguish between the crazy people at Moft (ie lawyers, execs etc) who only want to make money (by making stuff like webservives), and the actually skilled technicians who are asked to come up with a way to shut the crowds up.

Why on earth would anyone stop and think, let's add a new security policy to the HTML renderer if it wasn't a PR problem? it's not flashy, it's not useful, nobody cares about it... no exec would grant the time and money spent on it.

anti-trust issue? (1)

petsounds (593538) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085268)

As part of the OS, IE will continue to evolve, but there will be no future standalone installations.

Doesn't this tend to fly in the face of the anti-trust suit against them? Since when did IE become an acknowledged "part of the OS" again?

Further improvements to IE will require enhancements to the underlying OS.

Really? Well, I guess the Mozilla developers got hold of the Windows source code then because they seem to be doing just fine at making their browser more feature-rich and bugfree than IE.

Because the browser is free, and the OS costs $ (5, Insightful)

Brento (26177) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085273)

Everybody's jumping to conspiracy conclusions, but here's the simple answer: when you give away browser upgrades for free, but you charge for OS installations, and you think that the browser is becoming more important than the OS, you have to merge the two together.

As time goes by, more and more applications become web-based. These days, consumers are more concerned about the version of their browser than the version of their operating system. When you try to hit your favorite web sites, check your web-based email, etc., it doesn't matter whether you're on Windows 98 or Windows XP: the browser version is what matters. They know they can't simply start charging for browsers, so the way to fix this issue is to only do new browsers with new operating systems, and blur the line between the browser version and the OS version.

Bottom line, Microsoft wants to get consumers more interested in OS versions again. If consumers see a web site that says, "Sorry, you need Windows 2005 to view this site," then they have a much higher chance of opening their pocketbooks than if the web site says, "Sorry, you need IE8 to view this site."

Re:Because the browser is free, and the OS costs $ (2, Interesting)

andy1307 (656570) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085377)

If consumers see a web site that says, "Sorry, you need Windows 2005 to view this site,"

If this is a website for a paid online service like online banking, customers will call customer service to complain. This mean HUGE costs for the bank offering the service. I don't think companies offering online services would like that.

This is something mozilla/opera users should know. If they are paying for an online service and the service requires you to use IE, just call customer service to complain. The cost of the customer service calls will force the service to support all browsers.

Laughable. Sad. (4, Insightful)

Maul (83993) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085276)

It is completely laughable and sad that Microsoft was found to be an illegal monopoly for this very reason, and now they are integrating IE and Windows even further. The government really showed Microsoft!

No matter what your opinion is about the anti-trust trial or anti-trust laws in general, this is a clear display of how the Bush administration favors big business and selectively enforces laws in the favor of big business. The DOJ forced a "slap in the wrist" settlement against MS, and now MS and co. don't fear doing again what they were found guilty of doing before.

The Microsoft Asteroid (2, Informative)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085279)

At the rate things are going, it may be ahead of the curve for them to be planning for a Microsoft Planet just yet.

More and more people are not buying the upgrades for either Hardware or Software, because what they have is just good enough. This is driving manufacturers wacko. For word processing and basic home stuff, a few hundred megs of CPU speed is good enough. There is no compelling need. A lot of people are not doing the routine upgrade, and are getting off the treadmill.

Although their cash reserves gives them a decent shot.

Well, of course it will. (4, Interesting)

OwnerOfWhinyCat (654476) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085286)

How many minutes has it been since Microsoft spent 3/4ths of a billion dollars putting that Netscape stuff to rest? It was a strange set of arguments they had, simultaneously attempting to prove that IE was "an inextricable part of the OS" and yet entirely optional with no unfair advantage over any other browser option the user might attempt to use.

Now that that case is put to rest it's about time they made sure that the next generation of DRM technology can't be run under WINE or on the MAC. The best approach I can imagine for this is to have is use an entirely proprietary API for IE and to update it with WindowsUpdate. It's not hard to imagine the newbie surfing along who gets this webpage.

Our web servers have observed that your computer needs several security updates available for free from Microsoft [here]. For the safety of our customers we cannot allow you to continue surfing our site until these updates are in place. We apologize for any inconvenience.

At that point the user is using the latest IE with DRM enabled with no idea how many or few sites need it. All your content can then be DRM protected by default with FrontPage, and the user's take is that everything "just works" when they use IE, and has intermittant and annoying problems with every other browswer. This strategy is getting old.

Re:Well, of course it will. (1)

Brento (26177) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085311)

How many minutes has it been since Microsoft spent 3/4ths of a billion dollars putting that Netscape stuff to rest?

Read the article, speedy. The TechNet article in question was posted on May 7th, long before the AOL settlement.

What they didn't say was... (2, Funny)

MadChicken (36468) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085287)

They now intend to call it Microsoft Firebird (TM)

How are you gentlemen !! (1)

appleLaserWriter (91994) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085288)

All your browser are belong to us.

Re:How are you gentlemen !! (1)

eaglebtc (303754) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085307)

Microsoft: you have no chance to survive, make your time. Ha-ha-ha.

Still on IE 6? (1)

rosewood (99925) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085290)

I can't beleive how long IE6 has been out. WHere the hell is IE7? Microsoft at one time did this crazy thing ... they broke the law but got some quick inovation going. I liked having a new browser every so often. Then IE6 came out and nothing... nothing... and more nothing.

I have since switched to Ph...Firebird. I miss not using beta software and I miss things like the google bar and the ebay bar... but I can live.

So if Microsoft decides to never release a standalone browser ever again ... my question is WHO CARES?

Re:Still on IE 6? (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085385)

"I miss things like the google"

What the hell are you talking about? The Googlebar is available [mozdev.org] for Mozilla Firebird. Too bad Xulplanet's Prefsbar [xulplanet.com] isn't available for the *latest* version of Firebird, as I've got very used to having it in Mozilla 1.3: I have checkboxes on the toolbar to enable/disable colours, images, JavaScript, Java, pop-ups, font size and to kill Flash. Furthermore, there is some sort of attempt at an eBay toolbar for Mozilla [mozdev.org] , but it looks immature and I can't recommend it as I haven't tried it.

Standalone... for All Platforms? (1)

nthursto (36481) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085291)

So... does this "decision" affect IE development for OS X as well?

Not that there's been anything new for IE there... 5.22 is about it right now.

I'm wondering if they're going to start bundling updates into Office for Mac.

Re:Standalone... for All Platforms? (1)

leifm (641850) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085391)

There was a rumor that IE 6 for OS X was pretty much finished, but upper management had told MacBU to hold it.

Macintosh Version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085305)

So I guess Mac users won't be getting a standalone version either. Oh well, no big loss.

PNGs (1)

Steveftoth (78419) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085312)

Why can't they just release a browser that supports transparent PNGs?

MS is moving twords DRM because it will allow them to control the entire platform more easily and even hurt other OSes in the process.

Will the OS be free, then? (1)

yamla (136560) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085313)

Microsoft promised way back when that they would never charge for Microsoft Internet Explorer. If they refuse to release a stand-alone version, this presumably means the only way to acquire MSIE legally is to purchase it. You just happen to get a whole operating system as a free bonus. However, as Microsoft swore they'd never charge for MSIE, this presumably means all future Microsoft operating systems will be free.

Hmm.... (1)

EpsCylonB (307640) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085320)

I may be really dense but I don't get it. You can only run IE on windows operating systems so as long as you can update IE using windows update this is going to have almost zero impact on home users.

If they include it with the os you could say that M$ has started charging for IE in the price of the OS
. But how is this really different from before ? (seeing as IE can only run on windows).

Must admit, I'm a bit confuzzled.

What's the difference? (2, Insightful)

jdhutchins (559010) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085324)

Where is the line between standalone and integrated? The IE component is used lots of places other than the web browser. I'm on Windows 95 (it runs suprisingly well), and there are quite a few places where programs other than IE use the IE HTML-rendering component.
In Win98 and later versions, the operating system uses the IE component to render some stuff (the desktop can be a web page, for example). IE can then be seen a just a program that provides a couple of navigation buttons to the standard IE component, and it's already "integrated" into the OS, and there is no "standalone" IE.
Microsoft is saying that from now on, they'll just release updates to IE as OS patches (service packs), and if they're not supporting your os anymore (win 95, win 98), then you won't get patches for IE. This means that if you have a version of windows that they're not releasing SPs for, then you're stuck with a browser with loads of security holes that you KNOW are never going to get fixed (although many would argue that even with a recent version of windows, you KNOW the security holes won't be fixed).

Its standalone now? (3, Interesting)

pixelgeek (676892) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085331)

The only real difference I see is that there will no longer be a separate IE installer.

As it currently stands the browser is effectively integrated into the OS and for all intents and purposes most people who use Windows don't view it as a separate component.

Try updating an older version of IE and see what it does to the OS. Try getting your aunt or grandfather to use Mozilla or Opera.

This is just a shipping simplification on their part not a change of policy.

Browser testing? (5, Interesting)

vitaflo (20507) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085339)

As a web designer, this worries me. How am I supposed to test my sites from here on out? Before it was as easy as loading up said site into IE 6 or IE 5 or what have you and seeing if the layout was as it should be. What now?

Not that I need a version number, but I would like to know how they're going to dole out any updates to Javascript, CSS, and the like. I sure hope it doesn't become small updates like "CSS Update 12-2-04". The goood thing about browsers up until this point, new features were released all at once in slow updgrade cycles, which meant you were testing at a stationary, not a moving, target. I'm curious to know how this will be handled from now on.

And yes, yes I know, "code to standards", which is the way it *should* be, but in practice, there's the reality that not all browsers output the way you need them to (especially IE).

pffft.. (1)

destiney (149922) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085341)

the future server-side browser detection may be more about detecting whether the browser supports the DRM your "web service" uses than what version of Javascript or CSS the browser supports.

I doubt it.. seeing how most web pages are coded from html, javascript, and css, not DRM code. Only a small percentage of webpages have any sort of services built into them anyway. I'd say parsing the html will remain a high priority for web browsers for years to come.

HTML = webpage code, Browser = webpage client, did I miss something?

What the hell? (2, Insightful)

.com b4 .storm (581701) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085353)

Q: Why is this? the anti-trust? (no further standalone)

A: Although this is off topic, I will answer briefly: Legacy OSes have reached their zenith with the addition of IE 6 SP1. Further improvements to IE will require enhancements to the underlying OS.

What, exactly, about web browsing could require 'enhancements to the underlying OS'? The only answer I can think of is DRM/Palladdium, but of course Microsoft does not want to say that. They want these "improvements" to sound like "features" that people would actually want. Perhaps they will play on peoples' fears of online banking and ordering?

MS: Bugs? We don't care. (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085361)

I interpret the story to mean: "We won't fix any of the IE security vulnerabilities [pivx.com] ."

Netscape settlement (2, Insightful)

bheading (467684) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085364)

Hmm, all of a sudden the AOL/Netscape settlement takes on a new level of relevance.

Does this mean... (1)

Gyorg_Lavode (520114) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085369)

Does this mean that I can no longer avoid installing IE updates and stick w/ 5.01 while still updating my system?

Too complicated, d00d! (1)

cgreuter (82182) | more than 11 years ago | (#6085375)

I think the truth is just that Microsoft intends to integrate DRM very tightly with their OS and browser, and they're aren't going to try to backport that to, say, Win98...

No, see, it's just that Microsoft wants people to buy new copies of Windows. This change means that you won't be able to get the most recent IE without upgrading. It's simple short-term greed.

BTW, with this move, there's a window of opportunity for Mozilla, Opera, Konqueror et.al. For the next two years or so--until Longhorn is widely adopted--the MS web standard won't change. Web designers will have to stay compatible with this release of IE if they want to keep the majority of their audience. This means that any reasonably up-to-date browser will soon also be compatible with the majority of websites so competition will be based on the quality of software, not whether it will work on a particular website.

This might lose MS their web monopoly.

mac version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6085382)

So if there are no more standalone versions, does that mean there are no more Macintosh versions? The article didn't mention that.
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