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Rapid Internet Growth In Iran

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the cia-factbook-time dept.

The Internet 315

securitas writes "The BBC's Abbas Azimi reports on the rapid growth of the Internet and Internet cafes in Iran, apparently with the tacit approval of the government. Seven million Iranians have Internet access, or 10% of the population - double the rate two years ago. Access costs 60 cents/hour. The article describes how the Internet is used for everything from VoIP phone calls to chat and Web logs. Even Iran's vice-president has a daily blog on a popular site with 'musings about politics and life.' All of this despite the ban on many sites, which is easily circumvented by Iran's webmasters and geeks. An interesting point is that most of the PCs used in Iran are assembled from smuggled parts and run pirated versions of all the latest software (due to foreign embargo?). It sounds like a great opportunity for open source software."

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First post (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360134)

And praise Allah for it.

Re:First post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360165)

Thats a classy FP. Good work sir.

Re:First post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360324)

May your harem always overflow with virginal beauties, my fellow AC friend.

fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360135)

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360139)

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open source software (0, Interesting)

Tirel (692085) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360140)

Those who know how to use open source software are already using it, so I don't see what kind of oppurtunities you're talking about

Re:open source software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360341)

Poster is talking about a huge community of people who are gaining access the the idea of open souce. As in " I hadn't heard of it yesterday but I've heard of it now" .... I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360142)

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fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360145)

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Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS (5, Insightful)

FisterBelvedere (754614) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360146)

The old saying, "if it aint' broke don't fix it," seems to apply here. With no laws against pirating retail software, what would the advantage be to OSS? I know it wouldn't cost them any more, or less, so why change?

Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360150)

Because. Like all good Christians, we must convert them.

The advantage? Higher quality software. (-1, Flamebait)

Adolph_Hitler (713286) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360184)

You forget that open source software in general is less buggy and more stable. This is Iran, they have no reason to use Microsoft Windows.

Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360207)

Besides quality software, it will help them get out of lawlesness in case the join the world community.

Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS (4, Insightful)

adam231 (703149) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360216)

I think you're missing the point of OSS/Free Software, it's not how much money it costs (yeah, yeah free as in beer) it's how they could change it to suit their needs, lifestyle, culture (free as in freedom). In fact this is the perfect place for OSS/Free Software, it gives them the power to change something!

Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS (5, Insightful)

Azure Khan (201396) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360356)

Perhaps we are placing just a little TOO much faith in the POWER of OSS. I realize that it can heal the sick, feed the hungry, and make politicians honest, but maybe just this once, it's completely irrelevant.

We should be focusing more on the content then the delivery method. IN countries like Iran, overcoming and undermining the harsh edicts of the mullah is probably slightly more important than what version of SCO-Derivative Unlicensed(TM) *Nix verion they are running. I realize that talking about free software is important and innocuous, but whenever I see things like this pop up arbitrarily, I want to make sure you're not missing the point.

If the president were found banging a dead 14-year-old hooker in the Vatican, I get the feeling some people here would either blame it on SCO, Microsoft, Bill Gates, the RIAA, or wonder what version of Apache the Vatican is running. (It's 1.3.27, to save you some trouble).

Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360383)

Nah, they'd still probably blame it on bush.

Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360405)

Things don't always work that way in the real world.

You know, a thought [OT] (4, Interesting)

mcc (14761) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360217)

This has nothing to do with anything, but it just occured to me that internet cafes are an absolutely natural target for Knoppix. Everything you need goes on the CD, the instant someone signs off everything they've done to the filesystem's cleared, you don't even need a hard drive...

Someone could probably do pretty well for themselves if they made a customized version of Knoppix with software tailored to what an internet cafe needs, the interface made windows-user-friendly and with some big "WEB" "EMAIL" buttons on the desktop, Evolution set up with a quick "connect to your specific email" wizard, and some sort of hooks to some sort of central use tracking/billing system. They could print up a bunch of cds of this and sell it as a no-setup-required "internet cafe in a box" system...

I dunno, it's an idea.

Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS (4, Insightful)

qtp (461286) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360295)

With no laws against pirating retail software, what would the advantage be to OSS?

Establishing a respect for copyright. Avoiding (further) censure by western nations. Having a wider variety of software available to use on a wider variety of hardware, including older machines that might not be great desktops, but do make great routers. Having complete documentation available for your software. The opportunity to establish a CS education program due to the greater number of programming languages and tools in Open Source that are internet available. Having a full compliment of encryption and security software available so one can ensure privacy of communication and access to "banned" materials via tunneling, and other measures that are included in most Open Source distributions. Basic security and reliability concerns.

I know it wouldn't cost them any more, or less, so why change?

I can afford propietary software and operating systems, even though I live in the US. There are far more advantages to using Open Source than simply the cost factor.

Why would... (2, Informative)

nametaken (610866) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360147)

Why would there be an embargo on modern operating systems? I wouldn't guess that missiles use windows xp. And if they did, it's not like they wouldn't be blowing up in mid air. Seriously, someone I knew used to say that in Ukraine he couldn't find a legal copy of any MS software... only burned copies.

Re:Why would... (4, Informative)

vinit79 (740464) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360179)

Thats becos most OSes (read Windows) contain code for encryption support which could have (many) military applications.

give me a break (1, Offtopic)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360318)


As if someone in any country couldn't throw on a proxy server and download crypto source. Oh wait they might have forms to fill out on a site. I started writing a document about this but got bored with it, so here is a briefer on crypto and government errata...

It's become so fundamental to the operations of these groups that bin Laden and other Muslim extremists are teaching it at their camps in Afghanistan and Sudan, they add.

How can the then director of the FBI get away with making statements like this without offering a shred of proof that, indeed shows, ANY terrorist organisation using crypto and or steg? It's boggling considering that again, most persons with a decent (note the word DECENT) amount of compsec knowledge, would know, or at least assume PGP would be the way to go in efforts to safeguard messages. 4096 bit keys? They're supposed to be unbreakable, yet those in office are convinced that terrorists are using encryption. So the government has broken it, or are lying.

Another puzzling thing to note, if encryption is being used, and the government can support their claims, someone in government must have the capability to crack encryption, and assuming "Muslim extremists in Afghanistan, Albania, Britain, Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Syria, the USA, the West Bank and Gaza and Yemen" are using crypto, some agency must have some ultra powerful quantum based grid computer up to crack anything in seconds.

Reasoning for me stating this is simple, many times these stories break, the government has quickly 'broken the code', 'broken the code', and 'broken the code', in just enough time for most media outlets to report an all inclusive -- from-arrest-to-code-breaking -- article in time for headline news. Perplexing? No. Moronic? Yes.

"There is a tendency out there to envision a stereotypical Muslim fighter standing with an AK-47 in barren Afghanistan," says Ben Venzke, director of special intelligence projects for iDEFENSE, a cyberintelligence and risk management company based in Fairfax, Va.

"But Hamas, Hezbollah and bin Laden's groups have very sophisticated, well-educated people. Their technical equipment is good, and they have the bright, young minds to operate them," he said.

iDefense happens to have government contracts so I would not trust their word on anything in this article, nor any input on the subject. Nothing personal to iDefense per-se but business is business, and iDefense will try to sway the issue to their favour, perhaps on hopes of spooking some business out of government.

I never finished it because I didn't have time to do so, but you should think twice about believing everything you hear.The document is here [perfidious.org] and keep in mind I never finished, since it was becoming too long and boring to sift through the BS.

thank FUD for that (1)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360202)


Sadly PS2 inspectors never found those Playstations either... It's all this bureaucratic nonsense that forces these silly embargoes. Next up, no more cooking oil for Cuba
Iraq buys 4000 PlayStation 2s in world conquest bid
By: Tony Smith
Posted: 19/12/2000 at 16:24 GMT

Forget Jim Carrey - Saddam Hussein is the real Grinch who stole Christmas - at least according to one Web site. It claims the Iraqi dictator is buying up the world's supply - such as it is - of PlayStation 2 consoles to build military supercomputers.

According to a WorldNetDaily report, US customs, the FBI and military intelligence - a contradiction in terms if we ever heard one - are investigating shipments of Sony's next-generation games machine to Baghdad. Some 4000 consoles have made their way to Iraq, those agencies reckon.

And that, says the report, is depriving American kiddies of their requested Christmas prezzies, poor dears.

It's hard to know what's worse: children engaging in (virtual) acts of mindless violence or the Republican Guard sharpening its skills on Tekken Tournament.

... source [theregister.co.uk]

Re:Why would... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360238)

Why? because while the missile itself would probably not fly windows xp or(insert any modern OS here), there is a good chance that said missile could be designed and suitable mass manufacturing process set up with a computer that is running a modern OS. That or perhaps decrypting "vital" transmissions in the event of conflict, simulating nuclear tests, etc. (whatever you can imagine in a state of paranoia) Right or wrong, I think that is one of the reasons behind the export controls the US has on computing technology to certain countries: To prevent the tools from falling into the "wrong hands" so to speak.

Hmm.... (-1, Troll)

sheapshearer (746106) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360412)

I wouldn't guess that missiles use windows xp.

Gives new meaning to blue screen of death!

sneaky sneaky (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360152)

Let's keep the internet away from them damned terrorists. Them muslims.... they're sneaky... sneaky sneaky...

Re:sneaky sneaky (3, Interesting)

Clinoti (696723) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360167)

How about we use this as another tool of diplomacy? People to people, building things like networks and cross communications.

Re:sneaky sneaky (1)

vinit79 (740464) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360192)

Dont offer them Windoz free to get a diplomatic upper hand. They will think it was intentional sabotage and ....

Re:sneaky sneaky (1)

RLaager (200280) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360247)

I know the parent is joking, but this is almost exactly what happened with the Russians:

http://www.sqlmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?Article ID =22765

Other sources I've seen in the past mentioned that the Russians initially thought it was an intentionally planted bug.

Re:sneaky sneaky (0, Flamebait)

SuperJames_74 (548630) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360270)

Yeah, um, why don't you go smoke some more dope with your hippie friends, OK...? (j/k)

We've *got* networks and cross communications. What does this offer us? OH - the chance to offer assistance to a bunch of strangers that might/do hate us. Great. Let's jump right on that!

Not.

Re:sneaky sneaky (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360180)

(Score:-1, Flamebait)

I'd say "+2, Sarcastic" - but then again, this is SlashBot, and I don't have any mod points, and there's no Sarcastic category.

Meh.

Perfect excuse to let people call open source terr (2, Interesting)

mike300zx (523956) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360155)

Call open source the software of choice among terrorists. If it takes hold and any terrorists there get caught with it on their machines look for microsoft and the government to start pointing fingers.

Re:Perfect excuse to let people call open source t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360215)

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. 6 And God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." 7 And God made the firmament and separated the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. 9 And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth." And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so. 16 And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. 20 And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day. 24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so. 25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the cattle according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." 29 And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so. 31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation. 4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up--for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; 6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground-- 7 then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. 8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground the LORD God made to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. 10 A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers. 11 The name of the first is Pishon; it is the one which flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; 12 and the gold of that land is good; bdellium and onyx stone are there. 13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one which flows around the whole land of Cush. 14 And the name of the third river is Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. 15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it and keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." 18 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him." 19 So out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for the man there was not found a helper fit for him. 21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; 22 and the rib which the LORD God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 23 Then the man said, "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." 24 Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh. 25 And the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed.

1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God say, 'You shall not eat of any tree of the garden'?" 2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'" 4 But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons. 8 And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?" 10 And he said, "I heard the sound of thee in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself." 11 He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" 12 The man said, "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate." 13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this that you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent beguiled me, and I ate." 14 The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all cattle, and above all wild animals; upon your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. 15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." 16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." 17 And to Adam he said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; 18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return." 20 The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living. 21 And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins, and clothed them. 22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever" -- 23 therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which he was taken. 24 He drove out the man; and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life

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1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, "I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD." 2 And again, she bore his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a tiller of the ground. 3 In the course of time Cain brought to the LORD an offering of the fruit of the ground, 4 and Abel brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and his offering, 5 but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell. 6 The LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is couching at the door; its desire is for you, but you must master it." 8 Cain said to Abel his brother, "Let us go out to the field." And when they were in the field, Cain rose up against his brother Abel, and killed him. 9 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is Abel your brother?" He said, "I do not know; am I my brother's keeper?" 10 And the LORD said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood is crying to me from the ground. 11 And now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. 12 When you till the ground, it shall no longer yield to you its strength; you shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth." 13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is greater than I can bear. 14 Behold, thou hast driven me this day away from the ground; and from thy face I shall be hidden; and I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will slay me." 15 Then the LORD said to him, "Not so! If any one slays Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD put a mark on Cain, lest any who came upon him should kill him. 16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, east of Eden. 17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch; and he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad; and Irad was the father of Me-hu'ja-el, and Me-hu'ja-el the father of Me-thu'sha-el, and Me-thu'sha-el the father of Lamech. 19 And Lamech took two wives; the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. 20 Adah bore Jabal; he was the father of those who dwell in tents and have cattle. 21 His brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all those who play the lyre and pipe. 22 Zillah bore Tubal-cain; he was the forger of all instruments of bronze and iron. The sister of Tubal-cain was Na'amah. 23 Lamech said to his wives: "Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; you wives of Lamech, hearken to what I say: I have slain a man for wounding me, a young man for striking me. 24 If Cain is avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy-sevenfold." 25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, "God has appointed for me another child instead of Abel, for Cain slew him." 26 To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time men began to call upon the name of the LORD.

1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. 2 Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created. 3 When Adam had lived a hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 The days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years; and he had other sons and daughters. 5 Thus all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died. 6 When Seth had lived a hundred and five years, he became the father of Enosh. 7 Seth lived after the birth of Enosh eight hundred and seven years, and had other sons and daughters. 8 Thus all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died. 9 When Enosh had lived ninety years, he became the father of Kenan. 10 Enosh lived after the birth of Kenan eight hundred and fifteen years, and had other sons and daughters. 11 Thus all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died. 12 When Kenan had lived seventy years, he became the father of Ma-hal'alel. 13 Kenan lived after the birth of Ma-hal'alel eight hundred and forty years, and had other sons and daughters. 14 Thus all the days of Kenan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died. 15 When Ma-hal'alel had lived sixty-five years, he became the father of Jared. 16 Ma-hal'alel lived after the birth of Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and had other sons and daughters. 17 Thus all the days of Ma-hal'alel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died. 18 When Jared had lived a hundred and sixty-two years he became the father of Enoch. 19 Jared lived after the birth of Enoch eight hundred years, and had other sons and daughters. 20 Thus all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died. 21 When Enoch had lived sixty-five years, he became the father of Methu'selah. 22 Enoch walked with God after the birth of Methu'selah three hundred years, and had other sons and daughters. 23 Thus all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him. 25 When Methu'selah had lived a hundred and eighty-seven years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 Methu'selah lived after the birth of Lamech seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had other sons and daughters. 27 Thus all the days of Methu'selah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died. 28 When Lamech had lived a hundred and eighty-two years, he became the father of a son, 29 and called his name Noah, saying, "Out of the ground which the LORD has cursed this one shall bring us relief from our work and from the toil of our hands." 30 Lamech lived after the birth of Noah five hundred and ninety-five years, and had other sons and daughters. 31 Thus all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years; and he died. 32 After Noah was five hundred years old, Noah became the father of Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

1 When men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for he is flesh, but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown. 5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and beast and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them." 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. 9 These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah had three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11 Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth. 13 And God said to Noah, "I have determined to make an end of all flesh; for the earth is filled with violence through them; behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make yourself an ark of gopher wood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above; and set the door of the ark in its side; make it with lower, second, and third decks. 17 For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall die. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you; and you shall come into the ark, you, your sons, your wife, and your sons' wives with you. 19 And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground according to its kind, two of every sort shall come in to you, to keep them alive. 21 Also take with you every sort of food that is eaten, and store it up; and it shall serve as food for you and for them." 22 Noah did this; he did all that God commanded him.

1 Then the LORD said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen that you are righteous before me in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate; and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate; 3 and seven pairs of the birds of the air also, male and female, to keep their kind alive upon the face of all the earth. 4 For in seven days I will send rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living thing that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground." 5 And Noah did all that the LORD had commanded him. 6 Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters came upon the earth. 7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives with him went into the ark, to escape the waters of the flood. 8 Of clean animals, and of animals that are not clean, and of birds, and of everything that creeps on the ground, 9 two and two, male and female, went into the ark with Noah, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after seven days the waters of the flood came upon the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights. 13 On the very same day Noah and his sons, Shem and Ham and Japheth, and Noah's wife and the three wives of his sons with them entered the ark, 14 they and every beast according to its kind, and all the cattle according to their kinds, and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth according to its kind, and every bird according to its kind, every bird of every sort. 15 They went into the ark with Noah, two and two of all flesh in which there was the breath of life. 16 And they that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the LORD shut him in. 17 The flood continued forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bore up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. 18 The waters prevailed and increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark floated on the face of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed so mightily upon the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered; 20 the waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep. 21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, birds, cattle, beasts, all swarming creatures that swarm upon the earth, and every man; 22 everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died. 23 He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the ground, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the air; they were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark. 24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days.

Re:Perfect excuse to let people call open source t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360339)

No offence, but what crap!

Its a nation for heaven's sake! So what if their religious beliefs are different from yours - does that make them terrorists?

Re:Perfect excuse to let people call open source t (5, Insightful)

darnok (650458) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360361)

> Call open source the software of choice among
> terrorists. If it takes hold and any terrorists
> there get caught with it on their machines look
> for microsoft and the government to start pointing
> fingers.

You're not the first to say this, but it's one of the most idiotic arguments I've ever heard. I can't believe either Bush or Microsoft would push this line.

Have any terrorists been caught with Windows on their PCs? Are the latest breed of "computer terrorists" (aka virus writers) running Windows on their PCs? If the answers are "Yes" and "Yes", don't you think you could construct a counter argument that Windows is actually the terrorists' choice?

One of the first things the media would do with such an issue is to consult "respected FOSS spokesman (insert any of several names here)". Do you think Microsoft would risk that person pointing the finger of blame back at MS based on the above argument?

Equating FOSS with terrorism is both absurd and unrealistic.

Re:Perfect excuse to let people call open source t (2, Insightful)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360385)

I am pretty certain that most terrorists, mobsters and other criminals that get caught with computers are probably running Windows on their computers. Nobody ever says "Windows - it's the OS of criminals!".

Wooo... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360156)

PCs used in Iran are assembled from smuggled parts and run pirated versions of all the latest software

Glad to see I'm not the only one.

Taking a note from China? (5, Insightful)

foidulus (743482) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360161)

It's interesting to see yet another government try to circumvent web sites that don't agree with their particular world view. And even better when the web-sites re-appear under different names. Sounds exactly like the situation in China. I wonder if the Iranian geeks are learning from what happened to the Falun Gong et al. They are obviously realizing that the filters are almost worthless to people who really want to get at the material.
However, I still think the filters are effective because they have a very powerful psychological effect. If the government says you shouldn't be viewing said material, and if caught(even though it's almost impossible to catch you, but how many people realize the true power of the government) there will be big trouble. Thus I think most banned sites just wind up preaching to the choir, very sad indeed.

For how long? (5, Insightful)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360164)

For how long? The 'rulers' overthere just banned several THOUSAND canidates from the elections because they where too 'progressive'.

Once the hardliners regain control there is a good chance this trend will reverse itself.

Re:For how long? (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360218)

Excuse the spelling, I am very tired and I am cutting back on my caffine input.

It sucks.

Re:For how long? (2, Insightful)

BigFire (13822) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360232)

What makes you think the hardliners in Iran ever lost control? The mulla class allow the so-call reformers a voice in the Parliment, but more or less as an amusement and PR stunt. Pretty much ALL of the major issues that the reformers want to change got vetoed by the Supreme Islamic Council, which remains firmly in the hardliner's hand.

All they've done is to end the charade of the democratic process.

Re:For how long? (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360274)

And ending that charade may be their downfall. It appears to have 'upset' quite a few people in Iran and perhaps they will take matters into their own hands.

One can hope.

Re:For how long? (1)

cujo_1111 (627504) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360335)

If some Iranians want a US style government, why don't they move to Iraq? Or they can move in with you, is that cool?

There is still a sizable group of people in Iran who are happy with the current situation, it is a stable government. The added bonus is that the government is run by their religion so, for the most part, it is all happy.

Windows is now open source (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360169)

So yea, its a great opportunity for them!

Love in Iran!! (5, Informative)

barenaked (711701) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360170)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,6532 82,00.html (More Detailed News Article)

" Meeting girls is easy this way," said Amir, as he continued typing, "You can be relaxed no worries."

Apparrently Iranians need the love too! Just like Internet access first got booming over here, it seems porn and interent romance will probably be a big thing over there too.

Re:Love in Iran!! (1)

rholliday (754515) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360213)

Porn is huge in repressed countries like that. And you thought www.oral-anal-spandex-lovin-grandmas.de wasn't a tool for freedom ...

Re:Love in Iran!! (3, Funny)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360228)

" Meeting girls is easy this way," said Amir

"Hi Amir my name is hot4u [infiltrated.net] , and I am so hot. Please get back to me.

Re:Love in Iran!! (1)

sanx (696287) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360292)

It doesn't stop when they leave Iran either... I know of several Iranian women here in New Zealand who seem to spend vast amounts of time sitting on Persian-language dating and chat sites searching for well-off Iranian men to marry.

Iran is still fucked up... (-1, Offtopic)

MSBob (307239) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360171)

...and now thanks to Dubya yapping about "Axes of Evil" Islamic hardliners have won a landslide victory there. A ain't going there to install Linux!

Re:Iran is still fucked up... (1, Insightful)

MSBob (307239) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360193)

offtopic my ass! What do you think the fact that hardliners have taken over will do to those sprouting "internet cafes"?

Re:well, if so then US is f***ed up, too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360302)

...with all the hardliners have taken over.

Compare to the increasingly repressive Europe laws (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360172)

Just compare this undeniable explosion of freedom to communicate in the "Axis of Evil" to the ever-increasingly repressing law arsenal in Europe: for instance, no sooner than last week, in France, the "LEN" (Law on Digital Economy) makes the provider responsible for the legality of the contents of whatever its customer are communicating over the internet, including web, mail, and so on, and must give information, mails and web logs to the police without the need of a subpoena.
Time to move to free countries...

Sense of perspective. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360305)

Iran at the moment is experiencing a rise in one specific expression of personal freedom (internet cafes and tech) in spite of attempts in law to hamper it, while meanwhile the overall political freedom situation worsens.

Europe is experiencing a situation where in France and England, laws regarding information transfer and "intellectual property" are changing such that a model where large incorporated private entities have the ability in certain limited contexts to harass and occationally bully smaller private entities is being vaguely moved toward, and things which Iran does not even begin to have-- such as legal rights, due process of law and oversight of law enforcement activities-- are being to a certain extent eroded; and France and England are trying to force this on the rest of Europe through the race-to-the-bottom system of "harmonization" the EU seems to have latched onto lately. Meanwhile active and wide-based debate as to the role of the EU and the extent to which "harmonization" should be followed is occuring, and the overall level of involvement in and level of freedom within local democracy is remaining much the same as it has been recently.

You'll excuse me if I do not consider these two situations comparable.

Computer Language in Iran (5, Interesting)

Dukeofshadows (607689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360173)

I know a few programmers with ties to Iran. Some of their computer scientists do things with Assembly that few of their peers in the West can match. Given that most of their population is 25 or younger, and that they are having to become so efficient with so few resources, I think that when Iran opens up to the outside world we could see the next India opening up inside of five years.

Re:Computer Language in Iran (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360200)

With so many people not being allowed to run in their elections because the hardlines disqualified them it make take more than 4-5 years. Hell, revolution could breakout anytime in Iran.

Do the programmers you know have anything to say about that?

In your personal opinion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360235)

Do you think that if Iran began india-izing (for lack of a better term) it would improve the political situation there (because the new technical working class that it would create would exert pressure on the government or find themselves empowered), or make things worse (because it would lead to a crackdown, and the new industries would kowtow to avoid being squashed like little bug), or do nothing at all?

I am just curious since you seem to have some level of informedness on the subject.

Beneficial for Iran (4, Insightful)

Dukeofshadows (607689) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360352)

I think that Iran would benefit from imitating India. Given the proximity to Dubai (*major* international trade center), educated population, loyal diasporia, etc. they could easily become a regional economic powerhouse. Several of my friends here in the US are Iranian, and most of them identify heavily with Persia/Iran even if they were born here. That population is among the hardest working and most educated per capita I've ever seen, if they are any indication of what their countrymen are capable of then Iran immediately after the revolution would be the Korea of 1970, the India of 1980, or the Japan of 1955.

this is a troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360372)

assmebly is not hard or mysterious once you learn it. Although Iranian programmers are doubtless very intelligent, they are not state of the art and certainly are not teaching anyone else lessons in comp. sci. If I'm wrong, I defy you to show it.

I wonder what their highest usage sites are? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360178)

My guess is pornography, but Allah may prove me wrong.

Most searched Google term in Iran: (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360195)

bomb making

Interesting fact (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360197)

Spy Magazine had a long, perhaps unnecessarily detailed piece about Chuck Berry's legal troubles concerning the installation of videos cameras in a women's restroom at a restaurant he owned. Evidently there were two; one at, shall we say, seat level, so the camera could record bowel movements falling into the toilet, and another in the ceiling, to record the waste swirling around in the bowl as it exited for the sewer system.

There are also tapes of him rendez-vousing with young women. In one tape that's described, he urinates voluminously on a woman's face, and then has her squat over his mouth and empty her bowels.

pirated software (4, Informative)

Coneasfast (690509) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360212)

An interesting point is that most of the PCs used in Iran are assembled from smuggled parts and run pirated versions of all the latest software (due to foreign embargo?).

the pirated software is not Iran-specific, this occurs in many parts of the world, most notably India, China, and other Asian countries, in some parts of china you can go to your local computer store and pick up a copied version various software

Re:pirated software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360267)

in some parts of china you can go to your local computer store and pick up a copied version various software

In most parts of US you can fire up one of the various p2p softwares and download a copy of any recent software.

Re:pirated software (2, Insightful)

cujo_1111 (627504) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360354)

Does it even matter if they do use pirated software?

They are not taking money away from the software publishers as most of the software is not allowed to be sold in Iran due to US export restrictions.

BTW It is much easier to download pirate software through P2P apps these days, than it is to find pirate software shops in asia. However, DVD copy shops are in plentiful supply and are very easy to come by :)

I love the Internet. (3, Insightful)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360223)

In a big crackdown at the end of last year, hundreds of internet cafes were shut down and new rules introduced for new proprietors, requiring them to restrict customer's access to a long list of "immoral and anti-Islamic sites".

It's interesting how every country is trying to control the Internet and the flow of Information. Just isn't working, is it. (grin)

-
It shouldn't be too much of a surprise that the Internet has evolved into a force strong enough to reflect the greatest hopes and fears of those who use it. After all, it was designed to withstand nuclear war, not just the puny huffs and puffs of politicians and religious fanatics. - Denise Caruso, (digital commerce columnist, New York Times)

Linux in Iran and SCO (5, Funny)

vinit79 (740464) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360224)

If every one in Iran started using linux, SCO could stage a come back by suing all Iranians in the Islamic court in Iran

Re:Linux in Iran and SCO (2, Funny)

sanx (696287) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360276)

McBribe would never go for it. If he lost the law-suit he'd end up without hands...

Re:Linux in Iran and SCO (2, Funny)

cujo_1111 (627504) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360365)

I reckon he would be dead long before he won or lost...

You don't really want to piss off heaps of disenchanted, fanatical and angry people.

Rapid growth? (5, Funny)

dtio (134278) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360225)

If you google for "internet iran" you'll get pretty much the opposite impresion [google.com] .

Smuggled is a strong word (5, Informative)

shoolz (752000) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360237)

When you hear the word smuggled, you think that the item smuggled is illegal itself. This is not the case with computer hardware in Iran. If hardware is smuggled into Iran, it is because it is difficult to find, but not because its illegal. A year ago, I sent my Iranian fiance's mom and dad back to Iran with a suitcase that contained a complete desktop computer with Win98 minus the monitor. Upon arrival in Iran, their luggage (just like all luggage, mail and packages entering Iran) was opened and searched, and they were allowed to proceed.

Re:Smuggled is a strong word (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360253)

You're gonna marry an iranian? Arent you scared she'll kill you?

They're all terrorists =(

Re:Smuggled is a strong word (0, Flamebait)

shoolz (752000) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360279)

Are you serious? When you leave your parent's basement one day and get out into the real world, you may eventually learn that people all over the world just want to lead a happy, fulfilling existence. Your comment has shown that your mind operates at the highest level of ignorance and intolerance. Shame on you.

Your marriage is doomed. (0, Flamebait)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360316)

Your marriage is doomed unless you lighten up. He was joking. Damn, don't go off so quick next time or your wife will just leave your ass and take 50%+ of your stuff...

Re:Your marriage is doomed. (1)

shoolz (752000) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360331)

Perhaps I respnonded a bit too harshly, but the 'terrorist' word that is thrown about so non-chalantly by north Americans actually hurts my loved one very much. It is akin to the negativity of the word 'nigger'. If you think using 'terrorist' as a joke is acceptable, then you need to think about the feelings of those that that remark targets.

Re:Your marriage is doomed. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360376)

Fuck you and your feelings. Get over it crybaby. So she's not a terrorist. But I bet she's hairy as all hell down south. I bet she has a hairy back as well. Why don't you just fess up to your faggotness and drop the charade?

Re:Your marriage is doomed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360381)

'too harshly' ? absolutely not. The original 'joke' was tasteless, and useless.

But feeding the trolls seldom helps ... just ignore the trash ...

Re:Your marriage is doomed. (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360384)

Since nigger is used all the time in Urban music I do not think people find it so offensive. But you must understand that people say such things just to get a response out of you. They live for it, just ignore them (this goes triple for /.)

Re:Smuggled is a strong word (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360398)

Sure I guess I was just being a troll.. and shes probably great and im happy for you.. but i cant get past the fact that everytime i see an arab on tv its of them saying they want to kill me and my country.. i would feel very uneasy around arabs, and theres no way i could marry one.. even if she seemed like she loved me, she could be just lying to get something from me and then kill me.. i cant trust them.. i guess im racist.. theres other races i hate but its only arabs that i fear.. now that being said.. id never hurt an arab (unless osama was standing in front of me or something), im not a crazy KKK racist that wants to kill every arab, i just personally cannot be friends or lovers with any.. i know how racist and stupid i sound and i guess i am and i am sorry =(

Re:Smuggled is a strong word (4, Insightful)

qtp (461286) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360399)

The point is not that it is illegal to receive the software in Iran, but that it may be illegal to take part in trade with Iran if you are a company or citizen of the US or one of its allies.

On the other hand, if the current administration would recognise the effect these policies have been having (increased support for the Anti-US religeous right in Iranian politics), then perhaps they'll reconsider so as to allow the liberal reformers there to regain the ground they have lost in recent years.

I do understand that our administration would probably like to have a revolution occur there due to the hardships, but revolutions in that part of the world seldom result in anything other than religeous dictatorships.

Glad I'm not living there... (5, Funny)

Deraj DeZine (726641) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360243)

Even Iran's vice-president has a daily blog on a popular site with 'musings about politics and life.'

Here's a little bit I copied from his site:

22-02-2004: meetings is teh sux0rs

HEY, sup all??? jus got back from a informasional meating on how were totally kicking the liberals's @$$ in teh polls this year [sbs.com.au] !!!!1 those losers are such morons! to bad the voter turnout was bad! Dude u guys need 2 go out and vote so i can be your leader next year wouldnt that be gr8???
All so, there was this totally hot reporter there who kept talking 2 me asking questions and $h!t. She was totaly n 2 me and i was gonna get her # but those loser body guards said i had to go to another meeting. gawd, what pr!cks!!!
anyway, i gotta go sighn sum papers, ttyl.

(Glad he's not one of the leaders of my country)

Just FYI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360345)

While funny, I'm relatively sure that the VP of Iran is actually a reformist (the president is, at least). It's the Ayatollah and the Guardian Council that forbade thousands of reformist candidates from running for legislature (only allowing their hardliner buddies to do so), not the president or VP.

Re:Glad I'm not living there... (1)

mritunjai (518932) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360380)

All so, there was this totally hot reporter there who kept talking 2 me asking questions and $h!t. She was totaly n 2 me and i was gonna get her # but those loser body guards said i had to go to another meeting. gawd, what pr!cks!!! anyway, i gotta go sighn sum papers, ttyl.

(Glad he's not one of the leaders of my country)

Like you didn't have one... forgot so soon what happened in Oval Office, cowboy, eh ?? :-P

Re:Glad I'm not living there... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360406)

Nice logic: everyone else on Slashdot lives in the US. No matter that the Web is, for lack of a better term, world-wide.

linuxiran.org (5, Informative)

vinit79 (740464) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360245)

They even have a site for linux in Iran. linuxiran.org [linuxiran.org] says that " We, at linuxiran.org! are happy that with your help Iran's first site dedicated to GNU/Linux and FLOSS, is the most active GNU/Linux site in Iran today. To find out more about linuxiran.org! and our group or GNU/Linux and FLOSS in general, please read the FAQ.

Re:linuxiran.org (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360281)

I prefer this bit from the site:

We, at linuxiran.org! are happy that with your help Iran's first site dedicated to GNU/Linux and FLOSS, praise be to Allah for seeing fit to allow the creation of the holy Linux kernel. We wish you to grant strength to Muhammed Abduli-Stahlman in his continuing sacred Jihad against immoral proprietary software.

Language Barrier ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360252)

Wouldn't the language be an issue for Open Source Software ? Multilingual support has been a feature of Windows for many years - how good is the support for non-English languages in OSS software ?

Actually it should be lower (2, Interesting)

grahamsz (150076) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360377)

Microsoft aren't likely to support whatever language they speak in iran, since they are unlikely to sell their software because it'll just be pirated.

IIRC kde runs just fine in farsi and localizing other OS applications should be very straightforward.

I find it very interesting that even in countries where piracy is unchecked, people still choose to run OS.

Don't blame the embargo... (4, Informative)

bircho (559727) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360269)

Pirated Software isn't a problem only in Iran. So don't blame it on embargo. The problem is economic. To buy MS Windows and Office is some time more expensive than buy a computer in the country where i live (and computers are already expensive without it.). People buy software for bussiness, but don't remember a friend of mine buying MS off-the-shelf software for personal use.

It's easier to sell a computer with a pirated Windows because it's cheaper and some people don't know linux yet, and prefer to buy a computer like their neighbor one.

i'm in iran... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360282)

and slashdot my favorite site. i read every day. all my friend love cowboy neal. cmdr taco is greatest thing since allah. iran sad to loose mr goatse.

first p0st to all my friend,

babajaer beezer

MOD PARENT DOWN - Interesting??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360301)

i can understand it get modded Funny... but "interesting"?

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN - Interesting??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360315)

and i can understand Troll - but "Offtopic"?? these moderators are f*cked up.

After The Recent Elections... (3, Insightful)

Naked Chef (626614) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360297)

It will be interesting to see if this continues. The reformist government is getting clobbered, and the hard-line clerics are prepping to take over in the next presidential election. Sad to see, but Iran may be getting ready to take a step backward. What will be interesting is to see what affect the internet does in fact have on this threat to their recent "freedoms".

It seems the propaganda works (-1, Flamebait)

baffle (144921) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360298)

It frightens me to see how so many people reply with "they are all terrorists" in this thread. Seem the new nazi state propaganda is working a little too well.

Hey, why not burn all books as well!

Re:It seems the propaganda works (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360390)

It frightens me to see how so many people reply with "they are all terrorists" in this thread. Seem the new nazi state propaganda is working a little too well.

Hey, why not burn all books as well!


Heh. You are trying to draw conclusions from flamebait on the internet? You must be new here.

I knew it!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360317)

The way to any terrorist's heart is through porn...if that cant change them nothing can....

Pirated Software + Embargo != OSS will grow (5, Insightful)

yurik (160101) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360333)



It sounds like a great opportunity for open source software.

Speaking from personal experience from the good ol' Russia, I would disagree that open source software will proliferate. Strike it as flamebate, but given the choice of ANY software available for FREE (beer), the software that has the highest number of the most "common" applications will become ubiquitous. This means - everyone will have windows, photoshop, office plus whatever else that has high value, without any regards to price/advertising. Average Joe might not want to invest his time into less polished Linux for desktop, thus M$ is what everyone will have. Apparently, to the average consumer, the value of OSS is not stability or openness, but the word FREE.

<begin flame here>

A fun idea (4, Funny)

Papa Legba (192550) | more than 10 years ago | (#8360349)

Let's call the BSA and the RIAA on them. Let's see how well these two orginizations do with their sudo draconian tactics in a draconian state. Should be pretty fun to watch I figure.

frIst stop (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360359)

online dating (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8360407)

Another popular site is an online dating agency set up by a young ayatollah.

Unforunately all the ads read like this:

swf. black head scarf. inexperienced at dating. enjoys long walks in the desert. i do not sing. please no public stoning.

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