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Projected 'Average' Longhorn System Is A Whopper

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the save-your-cans-for-the-rebate dept.

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greg_barton writes "At first I thought this was a joke, but this article from Microsoft Watch confirms it: 'Microsoft is expected to recommend that the 'average' Longhorn PC feature a dual-core CPU running at 4 to 6GHz; a minimum of 2 gigs of RAM; up to a terabyte of storage; a 1 Gbit, built-in, Ethernet-wired port and an 802.11g wireless link; and a graphics processor that runs three times faster than those on the market today.'"

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Really? Because all this time I thought that.... (4, Funny)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057698)

640K was enough for anyone. Reckon not....

We got to the moon on less computing power than a Commodore 64 and Longhorn needs 2 Gigs o RAM. Amazing.

Re:Really? Because all this time I thought that... (0, Funny)

TwistedSpring (594284) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057735)

And mozilla needs 4 gigs and a hyperthreading P4 to start in under 4 seconds.

Re:Really? Because all this time I thought that... (3, Insightful)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057781)

That's why the smarter people use Firefox.

Re:Really? Because all this time I thought that... (1, Informative)

Bryan Gividen (739949) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057805)

As was mentioned by someone else, the quote you are referring to is total BS. Find someone who cites it to him and see if they give a when and where. And while you're wasting time doing that, check this out: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,1484,00. html

Repeat after me: HE NEVER SAID THAT (4, Informative)

bonch (38532) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057817)

Did Bill Gates Really Say That? [wired.com]

Someone just did this joke a couple of articles ago. False memes that never die just make people look ignorant.

And that will be the standard computer (5, Funny)

Neil Blender (555885) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057703)

When longhorn comes out in 2008.

Re:And that will be the standard computer (5, Funny)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057741)

When longhorn comes out in 2008.

ROFL! Such optimism. Next you'll be telling me that Duke Nukem Forever just went into public beta...

Re:And that will be the standard computer (2, Funny)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057818)

Next you'll be telling me that Duke Nukem Forever just went into public beta...

Heh... only if the developers took a page from Valve's book. [bbc.co.uk]

ROFFLE ROFFLE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057853)


ROFFLE ROFFLE LAWL LAWL

Re:And that will be the standard computer (0, Flamebait)

aksuur (628258) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057758)

Systems advance with time? FUCKING REVELATION!!!111one

Re:And that will be the standard computer (5, Funny)

pseudochaotic (548897) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057778)

Actually, Longhorn will include a time machine emulated in software, so that you can download your new computer from the future. That's why the requirements are so high.

Re:And that will be the standard computer (5, Insightful)

bee-yotch (323219) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057816)

This may be modded as funny. But even 2008 seems too early for these kind of specs. Give me a break, 2GB of RAM and 1 terabyte of disk space. It's rediculous. Computer retailer's are still shipping computers with 256MB of RAM and 40GB hard disks.

It probably won't be uncommon for that much RAM to be in a machine by 2008, but 1 Terabyte disk space seems a little rediculous. And longhorn is suppose to by release like early 2006 isn't it?

I'm not convinced that this article is for real.

And not only standard: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057892)

All this hardware will be free!

BTW, KDE gets leaner by the day.

Well fuck! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057704)

microsoft is the fuxorZ!

The estimates are OK (4, Insightful)

stecoop (759508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057706)

The first full-fledged beta isn't due out until sometime in 2005

I don't see anything wrong with these specs. Next year well be in the 4 GHz range and my system today has 2 @ $150 gig memory which isn't a bunch either, Gigabit Ethernet is on ~2/3ds of the mommaboards today, Moore's law will take care of tripling the video processor over the next few years, AMD is kicking butt with their 64 bit chip so Intel will get it's 64bit ready for the masses, if you're not running 802.11g then great you can upgrade to wireless SuperG @108Mbps. When long horn comes out in ~2006 than I imagine this will be the average system. MS is making quite good estimates on the intended consumer. But then you read that a dual processor machine is on the horizon makes me wonder if LongHorn isn't targeted for desktops.

Re:The estimates are OK (4, Informative)

Cali Thalen (627449) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057773)

The article and the quote both say 'dual core processor' - not dual processors. Forgive me for not knowing off the top of my head, but I am assuming that they don't mean one of those hyperthreading things though, so...multi-processor chips maybe?

Re:The estimates are OK (2, Interesting)

shaka999 (335100) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057777)

I think they mentioned a dual-core processor, not a dual processor. Thats a big difference. Intel's Hyperthreading is a step towards a dual-core and we have it today. With the work I've seen from Sun and IBM on dual core processors I'd expect we see this sooner than later.

Re:The estimates are OK (5, Insightful)

Naked Rayburn (776986) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057795)

A better question to ask is, what the fuck is an operating system doing with those resources? I understand wanting those specs to run simulations, data processing, or games... but what does longhorn do that no other OS offers which requires such specs? The memory and CPU expectations are particularly egregious. I can still run NetBSD on a Sun 3/60. Yeah, maybe I can't run and ssh2d, but the core OS runs just fine. Sheesh... 2GB of RAM and a 6ghz CPU with a high end 3D graphics processor -- for the OS??? Christ, give me a PDP-11 running RT-11. Guess I'm a luddite. PIP me baby!!!

Naked Rayburn

Re:The estimates are OK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057861)

Well, my computer right now has about 10% of any of this (500MHz single processor, 256MB RAM, slow video) and it works great for everything except large compiles. Fortunately I won't have to upgrade to Longhorn, and I'm sure the linux of two years hence will run just fine...

My very first post! (-1, Offtopic)

Naked Rayburn (776986) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057710)

Yup, this is post #1! (mine that is)

Re:My very first post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057732)

You are very successful...AT FAILING IT!

Re:My very first post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057752)

What the heck do think this is, FC.com?

Re:My very first post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057870)

LOL! Your second post is at 0. Way to fuck up your karma right out of the gate. lol.

Why is this is a big deal? (3, Interesting)

SpyHunter99 (568391) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057712)

By the time Longhorn comes out I would imagine that it is a pretty normal requirment. 2 years from now is a long time in the PC world. Keep in mind that the average home users is close to (if not above) 3.0 HT procs today....

Re:Why is this is a big deal? (5, Insightful)

Jaywalk (94910) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057792)

By the time Longhorn comes out I would imagine that it is a pretty normal requirment.
The reason it's a big deal is that it keeps the "normal" price for a computer unnecessarily high. If the average user can get everything done he needs with a quarter of that computing power, why should he buy an OS that requires him to buy the mega-computer? Wouldn't it be better if the cost of the average computer came down instead of the minimum hardware spec going up?

Re:Why is this is a big deal? (1)

mr_sas (682067) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057796)

heh, the average home users computer runs win98 and is no where near the ghz mark.

Re:Why is this is a big deal? (1)

aliens (90441) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057822)

No offense, but who's ass did you pull that from?

The average home user is close to 3.0HT?

What? I'm not even running 3.0 HT and I'm not average (hey, I'm posting on /. that = not average)

No, if I had to pull specs from my own ass I'd say it's more like the following.

P3/4 Athlon 1.5Ghz
256Megs RAM
Geforce2/4 MX Videocard
40gigs Harddrive space
CD-RW Drive
USB 2

The specs in the article are maybe for a high end system, but for an average system in 2 years? MS isn't that stupid. Unless they plan on creating some sort of enthusiast market? Unlikely though.

Re:Why is this is a big deal? (1)

teklob (650327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057835)

The average home user could still be using Windows 95 with the computer they bought 5 years ago. Average home user != Current cutting edge

Re:Why is this is a big deal? (1)

cartzworth (709639) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057846)

Average home user with a 3ghz HT+? yeah right, most people I know have crappy celerons 2ghz or older pentium 4's, and I live in an upper-middle class area.

Re:Why is this is a big deal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057873)

I thought that the O/S managed the hardware and tried to occupy as few resources as possible. And that the vast majority of system power would be left over for user space applications, the programs etc you use that make the system actually useful. Special FX are nice but hopefully they allow you to turn off the wizbang, get a minimal system and reserve your resources for what you really wanted to use the system for.

Re:Why is this is a big deal? (0, Troll)

bonch (38532) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057879)

It's a big deal because this is Slashdot, and we need something from Microsoft to bitch about daily, especially if it's Longhorn.

This isn't a pro-Linux site--it's become an anti-Microsoft site. Where's the article about the I/O file regressions [kerneltrap.org] happening in kernel 2.6? Oh, that's right, it would break the hegemony.

DRM Overhead (4, Funny)

SWroclawski (95770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057714)

It takes a lot of resouces to keep people shackled.

I recommend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057718)

that the average Longhorn user just kill themself right now.

Re:I recommend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057813)

I recommend that you go back to Fark.

Damn... (5, Funny)

Molt (116343) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057719)

..that'd better be one hell of a game of Solitaire.

Re:Damn... (4, Funny)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057783)

..that'd better be one hell of a game of Solitaire.

I hear the Ace of Spades uses 16x anti-aliasing, bump mapping and has 64 million polygon count....

Re:Damn... (1)

bad_fx (493443) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057787)

Nah, it's all needed to render the next version of clippy... I can't wait.

Re:Damn... (1)

QuantumRiff (120817) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057828)

With that much processing power, they should also have a chess program that is impossible to beat...

news flash: (5, Funny)

ice-nine (149145) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057724)

computers in the future will be better than the ones we have now.

on a side note, i can't wait to get one of those.

Problems ? (2, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057727)


When you're a subscriber, you get the story early, and you also get the line:

See any serious problems with this story? Email our on-duty editor.

Well, Duh!

Let's see now: 1TB of storage is the thing that stands out. I've been running a dual CPU machine with 4GB of RAM for a while now, but 1 TB of storage, what the hell for ?

I've just commissioned a dual opteron 248 (2.2 GHz) , 8 GB of RAM, 1TB of disk with a 3ware 9500 raid controller (I'll post benchmarks soon if anyone's interested - I can't find any on the net but it promises 400MB/sec sequential raid-5 reads. We'll see...) This is far and away the most powerful machine I've ever ordered, and it doesn't meet the Longhorn 'average'... Something smells...

Simon

Re:Problems ? (3, Funny)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057754)

If XP is any indication- you'll need 1TB of storage because the system itself + virutal memory will take up 500GB.

Re:Problems ? (1)

Rui Lopes (599077) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057774)

but 1 TB of storage, what the hell for ?

Maybe Microsoft is going to absorb eMule to rule the P2P networks?

Re:Problems ? (2, Interesting)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057827)

but 1 TB of storage, what the hell for ?

forevery bit of data. you need a four bit EULA.

think about it.

Re:Problems ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057864)

...but 1 TB of storage, what the hell for ?

Finally, one place for me to store all that porn.

Re:Problems ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057868)

Granted the article says "up to" a terabyte, but then again on the other hand, they say "the average machine". Average usually being around the middle of road, they expect a lot of the machines to have a lot MORE than 1TB.

The thing that smells funny about this figure however, is that if they required 1TB of storage, the OS installation would have to come on over 200 DVD's. "Please insert DVD #156 now" (sigh)

Absurd (1)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057729)

What could possibly require that kind of hardware for an 'average' desktop user? Is it the new filesystem? Do you need 3d glasses?

Re:Absurd (1)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057860)

What could possibly require that kind of hardware for an 'average' desktop user?

Unspoken deals between hardware makers and Microsoft come to mind...

I can't wait... (1, Funny)

Rev.LoveJoy (136856) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057730)

to play solitaire on that baby!

-- RLJ

Re:I can't wait... (1)

pmbuko (162438) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057760)

Watching the cards fly around is half the fun! I have OCD, so I like to make sure exactly 52 card fly off the stacks when I win. To that end, I've still got a PC with a turbo button on it. When I'm about to win solitaire, I disable the button so the counting goes easier.

One word (1)

wobedraggled (549225) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057731)

Bloatware... C'mon with embedded systems doing more and more with less and less. Johnathan Livingston Seagull...

Remember the Release Schedule (1)

Fortress (763470) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057738)

Longhorn isn't supposed to debut until 2006, by which time those specs probably will represent a mid range machine. Just because they are not available yet (processor) doesn't mean that they can't desing with more resources in mind.

That said, it looks like my PIII-800 that struggles with XP will not have a hope of dealing with Longhorn. So much for backward compatibility. *sigh*

Do you think... (5, Funny)

Kjuib (584451) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057739)

They will send me one of those machines if I offer to test Longhorn for them? - Please... I promise to keep Longhorn on the machine for at least a week.

Re:Do you think... (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057876)

They will send me one of those machines if I offer to test Longhorn for them? - Please... I promise to keep Longhorn on the machine for at least a week

And you should also promise not to use Longhorn on any other computer you currently have.

Wow! (4, Funny)

SCSi (17797) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057740)

Now IE will run as fast as its linux-based counterparts!
*ducks*

Re:Wow! (1, Flamebait)

TwistedSpring (594284) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057803)

IE starts up and renders faster than mozilla. Do a benchmark. Hell, my computer starts up faster than mozilla.

Re:Wow! (1)

Rakishi (759894) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057882)

Firebird loads up as fast as IE for me.

Re:Wow! (2, Interesting)

Paladine97 (467512) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057891)

I'm afraid I have to agree with this post. I dual-boot and IE beats the crap out of firefox on my machine.

Konqueror seems much faster though, on par with IE.

And yet.. (1)

msimm (580077) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057746)

Its works on even todays legacy hardware!

not confirmed (5, Interesting)

untermensch (227534) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057747)

but this article from Microsoft Watch confirms it

According to the article it's not a confirmation at all. Microsoft has released no official statments about hardware requirements, these values are just estimates from developers, who may or may not have a clue.

Of course if it is accurate, then wow.

Re:not confirmed (1)

whiteranger99x (235024) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057840)

Yeah no kidding, in many cases these "hardware requirements" that are estimated by developers are overblown, due to the fact that they have to work on optimizing the code (and please, not a fucking word or remarks about the fact that they're Microsoft!! :P)

It's a Whopper? (1)

PeteQC (680043) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057748)

With french fries and a large coke please!

How does Microsoft Intend to Survive ? (3, Insightful)

Dozix007 (690662) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057749)

Microsoft will not survive if it keeps making larger and larger demands of the hardware market. People, Businesses, Universities, and others will not be able to afford to upgrade their systems to use Longhorn. Not to mention they will lose their largest market, PC manufactures who make up the majority of their business.

Re:How does Microsoft Intend to Survive ? (0, Flamebait)

TwistedSpring (594284) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057839)

Oh no, how will we survive? Better just not push the hardware market anywhere and let the whole IT industry die on its arse even more than it is already. Gimme a break and wake up. Supply and demand.

Q: How do you make a 6Ghz Pentium run like an XT? (1)

djplurvert (737910) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057750)

A: Install Longhorn

New Microsoft spin on their delays (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057756)

"Yes, we're not releasing Longhorn until 2006, but development is not behind schedule! We can't release it because the hardware industry is behind schedule inventing hardware to run it!"

It's a Wopper? (3, Funny)

Guildencrantz (234779) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057757)

Wow, with that kind of processing power you can play a heck of a lot of games of Global Thermonuclear War!

~~Guildencrantz

Just a terabyte (1)

whiteranger99x (235024) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057759)

up to a terabyte of storage

I wouldn't worry about THAT, you'll probably need about 100TB more HD space for games and pr0n :P

Beowulf Cluster? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057765)

Imagine a beowulf cluster of these puppies!

Re:Beowulf Cluster? (4, Funny)

whiteranger99x (235024) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057886)

Imagine what? I'd imagine with Longhorn installed on those, it would about the equivalent of 2 486's running windows 95 :P

Not to defend Microsoft... (1)

ItMustBeEsoteric (732632) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057767)

But I doubt they mean the average with all the upgrading machines too. It seems more like they mean the average computer SHIPPING with Longhorn. Which by then I don't see as being unreasonable at all.

Moore better not die... (5, Funny)

TastyWords (640141) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057768)

...or he'll be spinning in his grave.

And... (1)

Pranjal (624521) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057769)

...that will come free with my $699 purchase of longhorn right?

With Moore's Law (2, Insightful)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057786)

those specs are not surprising. If you look at today's "Average" PC and factor in 6 years of technological progress that seems to be what most people will think of as upper middle range in 2010.

LK

Twice as fast as now (1)

poptones (653660) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057788)

and twice the present "average" memory. Two or more years down the road.

Uhhh... So?

Did they also mention the motherboard chipset cryptographic engince, the always-on internet connection for "authentication" or even what kind of sound cards these new systems will have? Or are they still going to offer "analog holes" on top of all that (ahem) "security?"

in 2005 (1)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057789)

(J)anus and Lower Horn will be very close together. I will continue to reap the bounty of cheap discarded and powerful hardware for my linux installs.

Tough to test (1)

wanerious (712877) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057791)

Wow. Seems like a tough system to test and debug at present. I suppose they do a lot of unit testing and wait for the hardware to catch up before systems integration.

Whopper? (1)

pyrrhonist (701154) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057793)

Microsoft is leaving MacDonald's users out in the cold by only supporting Burger King's architecture.
I'd like to see Longhorn on Big Mac as well as Whopper.

Marketing Ploy (1)

teklob (650327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057794)

maybe when longhorn is released, microsoft will release a computer with astounding hardware and loads of DRM to run it then everyone will need to buy it to use longhorn mIRC did something similar in idea a few releases back mIRC 6.11 was the first version to require a serial code to run after 30 days not alot of people updated to it, then not long after the release an exploit was discovered mIRC 6.12 was released to fix the hole in all versions prior to it, and people were forced to upgrade to be secure

Graphics (1)

Poster Nutbag (635382) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057800)

"...and a graphics processor that runs three times faster than those on the market today.'"

Usually, Macs are touted as the premier computer to use for graphics processing, so of course it would be in Microsoft's best interests to try and change that perception.

To be honest, I really don't care, as a future graphic designer/3d animator, I'll use whatever gives me the shortest render times, since I don't have a network to help out.

Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057804)

I'd best put the purchase order on my boss's desk now. Perhaps it will shock him into getting that 80Gb hard drive and 512Mb of RAM we've been needing for the past year...

Oh hang on. He wants me to break it down for him - whats the projected software and license cost?

Article (0, Flamebait)

whiteranger99x (235024) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057806)

The thing that was omitted from the article was that Bill Gates was quoted "All we'll ever need is 640GB of RAM"

Microsoft Vaporsoft? (1, Troll)

demonic-halo (652519) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057808)

Don't you remember the days when microsoft was hyping the first version of windows, but they never actually produced the first real implementation until after apple has release their version of the GUI OS.

I think this is what microsoft is doing. Promising the world, without an actual line of code, then producing it years later after someone else has already made the product.

How much networking is too much? (1)

chrism238 (657741) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057810)

This really can't be a serious article.
Why would any machine need (require) both wired and wireless networking interfaces? Why not shoot for broad-multiband, as well?

Jesus H. Christ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057814)

Today, one of my co-workers rolled out a 1TB RAID-5 that's going to hold the entire output of a worldwide food company's 30-person packaging design department, which deals with monstrous graphic files.

And you're telling me that that's what's recommended for the computer used by a single Longhorn user?

Gigahertz ? (1)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057825)

Even Intel is giving up the GHz numbering ...

Anyway, at the current level (I'm talking 1.5GHz to 2.5GHz Intel processors or perf-equivalent AMDs), performance is not an issue anymore for most home & office uses (with the exception of some highend games and realtime mpeg4 video encoding).

At least the chipmakers are happy with M$. As the software gets slower and slower, you need better procs to compensate.

Big Boost for the Hardware Market (1)

ckathens (631781) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057831)

If this is true, it will no doubt have a huge affect on the hardware market since consumers will be forced to upgrade to keep up. Businesses as well will have to upgrade. During the dotcom bust, everyone stopped buying hardware and sales have been down ever since. This could be the swift kick in the ass that the hardware market needs to get back on track.

That being said, I don't really see why the system needs so much in the way of specs. If this is supposed to come out in 2 years, there's going to have to be HUGE leaps in technology and huge drops in price for this to be anywhere near affordable for the average consumer.

Floppy drive (2, Interesting)

antic (29198) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057832)

Some people whined when Apple did away with the then-standard floppy disk drive. Occasionally companies need to push forward (even if it is in x years time!).

And this is the suggested system that would have the OS running at its best.

Maybe they just want to give hardware companies something to aim for, and hardware resellers something to look forward to as masses of users upgrade their computers.

util now.. (1)

DeepAtmos (706120) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057836)

I thought my p4 3.2/2 GB RAM/400 GB was ridiculous.

That's a lot of deleted pr0n (1)

activesynapsis (706402) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057838)

The M$ requirement for XP Pro is 1.5 gigs of space. Anyone else think the 1 T requirement will be a bit on the bloat side? What could Longhorn possibly have that's 750 times bigger than XP? I understand a little bloat, but they'd have to code the whole thing in Visual Basic 3.0 to make it that big.

Hey, wait... I hope I'm joking.

If So, Microsoft Is Screwing Itself (5, Insightful)

WombatControl (74685) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057844)

If these specs are correct, Microsoft is making a major tactical mistake. The computer market is driven by early adopters, but the bread-and-butter is still in the business market. The average business still has P3s running around, or even older. Even with the average upgrade cycle, but 2006 what's cutting edge now will be the average. Even with Moore's law Longhorn will require far more resources than the average business machine.

If Microsoft ships with those specs as a baseline, 2/3rds of their business customers will say now. If Microsoft demands they switch or lose support, they'll end up switching to Linux (which by then will have made significant inroads as a business desktop OS).

I can't imagine this story being true. As much as I dislike Microsoft, they're not that foolish to release an OS that most businesses can't afford to buy. Even XP can run (albeit slowly) on a two or three year old machine. If Longhorn can't run on today's machines it needs to be streamlined until it does.

Every thime they announce a new operating system.. (2, Insightful)

cute-boy (62961) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057847)

The requirements always sound ridiculous when they announce them. By the time the O/S is available, it's usually just about affordable for desk-top, and possibly making an announcement now has an effect of pushing the price of hardware down, as manufacturers know how much people are prepared to pay for hardware.

The price in $ for a nice fast PC has fallen quite slowly, but you definitely get more for your money now....

I like running desk-top linux on hardware that never needs to use it's swap file :)

RG

Solution. (1)

Bryan Gividen (739949) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057849)

Just join a church of your choosing, serve a 2-4 year misssion for said church, come back and a computer with those specs will be very buyable.

must ms really aim that high? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9057851)

like one poster mentioned, what will longhorn be intended for? not the average terminal user. i cant even begin to imagine what could possibly take that much resources to do! databases? no. video rendering? maybe. real time monitoring (drm, etc) YES!

I do not forsee myself needing the kind of system that these recommended specs infer. Just give me an os that doesn't heat up my processor!

_Pogo - since i've lost my password and my old email acct went *POOF*

~Keith Akins needs bonked on the head for never replying to emails!!!

I'm confused (1)

loftis (750863) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057856)

Can someone please tell my what exactly I am going to be doing in 2-3 years that I am not doing now, which will require that I have a terabyte of storage (although I would'nt say no to it today, I don't need it)? I have to wonder what 'new and improved' things will be running in Longhorn that require all of these resources, and exactly how all of these things using resources is going to 'improve security' of MS products?

Just me or a colossal bribe to HW manufacturers? (1)

nobby (6911) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057859)

Is it just me or might this be (at least in part) a colossal bribe to hardware manufacturers to get them to buy into MS's lock-in strategy?

[Adjusts tinfoil hat]

My god (2, Interesting)

rune2 (547599) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057872)

With that kind of hardware it had better at least make toast too... In terms of 'average' hardware requirements I think that we're stretching it as it is even for XP's requirements. Just another case of bloatware keeping the Wintel monopoly going I guess. More eyecandy and everything in a different place but not necessarily any more functionality. Whatever happened to high performance software that pushed the limits of what was possible? I'm thinking BeOS here. It ran crazy-fast even on ancient hardware! Fortunately Linux is good but not quite that fast yet (on the desktop in comparison to BeOS).

Well, let's see: (1, Redundant)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057881)

  • 4 to 6 ghz processor: I can see that happening in 2006.
  • Dual processor: No way. Dual proc mobos are quite pricey and don't dual proc systems require expensive registered RAM? Which brings us to...
  • 2gb of RAM: Uh huh, not if prices evolve like they have the last two years. MAYBE 1 gb will be affordable around then. I'm not going to start on registered RAM...
  • 1TB of storage: Maybe in 2006. Aren't we bound to hit the limit of HDs anytime soon, though?
  • Gigabit ethernet: Uhm... For windows?
  • 802.11g WLAN: Ditto.
  • Fast graphics card: Ditto.

In short: Which joker made this up?

Good time to switch to Linux... (1)

Zarxrax (652423) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057884)

I have always preferred Windows as my OS. Linux just sorta sucks in my opinion, from what I've seen of it at least. But by the time this thing rolls out, between the high system requirements and the DRM, and the countless other annoyances it has, I think that is going to be a good time for me to switch over. I'm sure Linux could be in a much better state by that time, at the rate its I'm proving. Maybe a 4ghz machine will be standard computing power by the time longhorn comes out... but I sure as hell don't want my operating system sucking down my system down, i want my PROGRAMS to use the power of that system.

Hello, it's got debug symbols (1)

BassettHound (595956) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057887)

You know, there's a lot of MS bashing on here, but this is a bit over the top.... Anyone should realize that this is a debug release with debug symbols included and probably needs twice the horsepower to get reasonable performance. I wouldn't think the release version would need quite these specs... Besides, if Longhorn requires all this, just think of how cheap lower spec hardware for all you linux heads will be....

Free internet (5, Funny)

ttys00 (235472) | more than 10 years ago | (#9057890)

If the current state of Windows security is anything to go by, and if Joe Average has an 802.11g card in his machine in the future, we'll all have free internet via our neighbours poorly secured wireless link. Go Microsoft! :)
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