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HP Releases New iPAQs 125

Posted by Hemos from the tiny-machines-with-mucho-power dept.
Mike writes "HP released two new versions of its famed iPAQ line. The iPAQ rz1715 is a smaller unit to replace the 1910, and the iPAQ h6315 is the long awaited phone version that also sports wifi and bluetooth. Full reviews for both the rz1715 and the 6315 can be found at pocketnow.com." There's also a review of of the rz1715 on PDABuyer's as well.
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  • HP iPAQ 1715 features (Score:5, Informative)

    by manavendra ( 688020 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @08:45AM (#9800317) Homepage Journal
    1. Runs Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition (Pro)
    2. 203MHz processor.
    3. 32 megs of RAM, an SD slot that supports SDIO, a QVGA transflective display and a 1,000 mA battery .

    The PDA comes bundled with:
    + a charger
    + a USB sync cable that plugs into a round adapter at the end of the charger cable.
    + A software CD, slim printed manual and a getting started guide are also included.

    Caveat: Battery is not user replaceable
    • Is there really enough demand for user-replacable batteries that companies will start using them? Products with non-replacable batteries seem to sell despite this shortcoming. Plus the company makes an extra couple of bucks if/when the user has to get a new battery.

      Personally, I recharge all my stuff every night, and would prefer a long lasting battery (ie. many charges) that remains charged for a shorter time. If that makes sense.

      • Re:HP iPAQ 1715 features (Score:1, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Consumer electronics are obsolete before you need to replace the battery. Who will be using this model in 2-3 years.
        • That isn't the ONLY reason to have replaceable batteries. I have a Casio E125 which I got about 3 years ago. It works great for my needs, and I can even play ogg vorbis files on it. Convert my FLAC encoded files to 64kbps vorbis files, and I can fit many hours of music on my 512MB flash card.

          Problem is, the battery only lasts about 5-6 hours with the screen off. So, I keep a second battery charged. First one dies, I replace it and I am good to go...

          That said, I don't upgrade to a newer PPC device becau
        • You'd think the PDA's of a couple of years ago would be out of date today but my iPaq (which I was planning to replace about now) still performs identically to all the latest PocketPC's (at least as far as I can tell, there's only so much benchmarking you can do with PocketHAL test programs and reading email).

          The features I was looking for to upgrade:

          * Multiple resolution choices (ok, there are a couple of 640x480 pixels right now) for previewing digital photos.
          * Increased graphical capabilities (the new
      • You're right that there is perhaps not a large enough demand to have user-replaceable batteries.

        However, with more and more handheld devices, PDAs, phones, etc coming in, there is more and more stuff that one needs to recharge every alternate night at least - there's at least the handheld and the phone that I have to worry about
        It may perhaps be cost effective this way, but I keep thinking have replaceable batteries saves this hassle (assuming the batteries last like a month or so)
  • Did anyone get the text of the 6315 story? I'm really interested in how it compares to the Treo 600.

  • wake me when they have nice screens (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Qrlx ( 258924 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @08:50AM (#9800353) Homepage Journal
    320x240 just doesn't cut it. That was nice in 2000. There are competing products on the market with literally four times the pixels.

    One feature I am happy to see is being able to change from portrait to landscape on the fly.

    Flood of comments from AC Microsoft astroturfers in 5... 4... 3...

  • Too bad us older IPAQ users are left in the cold (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Zugot ( 17501 ) * <{bryan} {at} {osesm.com}> on Monday July 26, 2004 @08:52AM (#9800366)
    If you want WM 2003 SE, you'll have to buy a new ipaq. Even us users who have the 4100 and the 5100. I'm not too happy about that, but I don't want to upgrade my 4155, because I like it so much.

  • Boycott HP products (Score:2, Interesting)

    by reeherj ( 472238 )
    TOo bad I've boycotted HP's products in light of CEO Carly Fiorina's lobbying for accelerated outsourcing of American Technology jobs to oversea's firms. Great Editorial on the subject [sfgate.com]
    • TOo bad I've boycotted HP's products in light of CEO Carly Fiorina's lobbying for accelerated outsourcing of American Technology jobs to oversea's firms

      Cause those stupid foreigners, they don't deserve jobs like you Americans do, right?

  • They forgot GPS (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 26, 2004 @08:54AM (#9800384)
    Seriously: WLAN, Bluetooth, GSM, digital camera, organizer and GPS in one device, that would be perfect. And then someone comes and adds a USB host port to make it even better...

    • Re:They forgot GPS (Score:5, Funny)

      by ceeam ( 39911 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @09:30AM (#9800674)
      And then they add Windows to ruin it all.
      • Feel free to suggest any alternative OS that could be used on pocket PC? Don't say anything stupid like "Linux", because Linux is *nowhere* where Pocket PC support is concerned.
        • That's why I'd prefer a Sharp SL-Cxxx [conics.net] any day.
    • Well the good thing about bluetooth is that you don't need everything built in. You could just get a separate GPS.
    • GPS aerials are quite big and would add a lot of bulk to the PDA. After all, they are designed to receive satellite signals directly whereas WiFi and GSM aerials are receiving relatively stronger signals from a source thousands of times closer.
      GPS aerials also don't like being behind things (eg aluminium casing or a screen) so it would probably stick out of the top.
    • Well, they've forgotten:

      better screen display

      more colors, currently cell phones are produced with 115K colors

      gps

      i don't see biometrics anymore

      more and more memory, 20MB iPAQ store and standard 64 MB ROM is weak for this beast

      But hey, they need to leave something for next releases.

      It will be very interesting to see competition's answer after this.

    • If they didnt go for the full beheading, we'd still have the sleeve capability, and you'd be able to add that GPS via the dual pcmcia sleeve, while having room for another device.

  • Death of the PDA? Likely (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Talez ( 468021 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @08:55AM (#9800389)
    I was thinking about buying an iPaq. But then I got my mobile phone (a Sony Ericsson Z1010).

    This phone is a freaking PDA. I have my contacts, tasklist, appointments, email on it. The T9 text entry is infinitely more convenient and faster than stylus. The only thing that is lacking is the screen and I'm sure that will be rectified in future phone revisions. Plus my phone gets battery life measured in days rather than hours.

    • Re:Death of the PDA? Likely (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Doesn't matter what you call it. Future phones will embrace PDA functionality, future PDAs will embrace phone functionality. Unless someone develops magic technology which uses half as much energy when the device is called "phone" instead of "PDA", battery life is going to converge, given similar use patterns.

    • Re:Death of the PDA? Likely (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Jeff DeMaagd ( 2015 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @09:07AM (#9800467) Homepage Journal
      Plus my phone gets battery life measured in days rather than hours.

      Funny you mention that. My phone, a Sanyo SCP-4900, goes 7 to 9 days on a single charge, and I never turn it off, I usually forget to do that.

      I replace the batteries on my Palm m100 maybe twice a year, and they are AAA alkalines.
      • My phone, a Sanyo SCP-4900, goes 7 to 9 days on a single charge, and I never turn it off, I usually forget to do that.

        I replace the batteries on my Palm m100 maybe twice a year, and they are AAA alkalines.

        So the question is, do you ever turn your Palm on!
      • I had the exact same phone until I dropped it. What a shame, that phone had awesome battery life and great signal stregnth. My past 3 phones had been Sanyo candy-bar style phones and got great reception, but i missed the coolness factor of my old samsung flip-phone (not the reception tho). I decided to replace the broken 4900 with another sanyo, the SCP-8100. This phone is a color flip with camera and vision. The 4 factors for buying this phone were:

        1. Vision
        2. Use same date cable from 4900
        3. Great sany

    • Re:Death of the PDA? Likely (Score:4, Informative)

      by Spellbinder ( 615834 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @09:12AM (#9800512)
      ever tried voice dial with this phone with a bluetooth headset atached while the phone is closed??
      i had a prerelease version of this phone and it has been quite instable...
      is it still like this???
      btw i don't like T9 .. it is not very usefull over here in switzerland because we write our sms in dialect
      there are about as many dialects here as there are people :p
      and the worst part of it (for T9) is that there are no writing rules for our dialects so you can write every word in a gazillion of ways
      • you can add words to t9...eventually the dictionary should be full of yours
        • but you know... there is no default swiss german dictionary ... you have to enter every word by yourself ...
          and even if there would be one... i would write only half of the words like they do in their dictionary
          example: i hit you on your head
          i hau di ufe chopf
          i hou de ufe chopf
          ich houe di ufe chopf
          it is all the same ...
          you could replace chopf (head) with the german version (Kopf) and it would be still correct
          or gring and "I" could also be written as "eg" or "ig" and so on ...
          and it is not like i c
          • I kind of know how you feel... I mean, it's not as bad because I normally speak the standard German dialect, but I often want to bring in the occasional colloquial term in messages which requires me to work against T9 suggesting correct word forms. :)
    • Next time when talking about batteries please make a distinction between "palm" hours and "pocket" hours. Thanks.
    • The Z1010 is cute, but it is one of the first UMTS sets with associated version 1 issues. It can do a lot but it isn't a full PDA. The Sony Ericsson P900 is a full PDA but it doesn't do UMTS.

  • go for the 1945 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by xot ( 663131 ) <`moc.liamg' `ta' `htaedeligarf'> on Monday July 26, 2004 @08:56AM (#9800397) Journal
    I just bought an ipaq1945 n it awesome!. It lets you do everything high end pda's do except the WiFi.
    The 1715 is a bad bargain unless it significantly cheaper besides its got no wireless options and you'd end up paying more putting those extra cards!
    As for the 6315 I like to keep my phone and PDA seperate, don't know about you guys.
    • Compared with the Dell Axim X30 (base Model)

      - The 1715 costs more ($279 vs $199)

      - The 1715 offers less performance. (see benchmark on reviews)

      Such a deal - 2/3 the performace at 3/2 the price!!

  • More reviews... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Zorilla ( 791636 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @09:11AM (#9800508)
    You can never have enough reviews, right?

    rz1715 review [bargainpda.com].

    I believe the 6315 is pretty well linked on this thread, so I'll leave it out.
  • I have a number of clients using PPC and PPC-based phones, and every couple of days they seem to do all kinds of weird things when you sync them or download e-mail. They constantly need rebooting, or worse, reconfiguring on a regular basis.

    The PPC OS seems to be about as mature as Windows 95 at this point in time. If I had a client ask me right now about a PDA and they want e-mail, I'd recommend a Blackberry solution. Straight PDA? Might have to stick to Palm.

    • Re:Wake me up when the OS has matured. (Score:5, Informative)

      by Cheeko ( 165493 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @09:34AM (#9800715) Homepage Journal
      Thats whats great about the iPaq, you don't need to use PPC. Most iPaq owners I know replace PPC with linux as soon as they buy them. handhelds.org tends to be the site of choice for most people I know.
      • I'm running Familiar/Opie on a 5450 for the past couple of weeks. It's neat but there are some things missing that I think are in the WinCE version. However, the security trade-off worries me, so I'm sticking with Familiar. It has been mentioned that Linspire will be producing a distro for PPC, that could be interesting when it comes along.

      • Re:Wake me up when the OS has matured. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by djeaux ( 620938 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @10:25AM (#9801170) Homepage Journal
        Thats whats great about the iPaq, you don't need to use PPC. Most iPaq owners I know replace PPC with linux as soon as they buy them. handhelds.org tends to be the site of choice for most people I know.
        "Most iPaq owners I know" probably restricts the sample population upon which you base your statement to a pretty select geekish cohort. Would general users be inclined to install a new, better OS, or would they stick to the PPC that comes with the device?
      • Most iPaq owners that I know, thick enough to spend £400 on something that doesn't do anything more practical than an £80 Zire, wouldn't have a clue they could even do that, let alone follow instructions that they'd probably screw up and lobotomise their precious new toy.

        Not that they know what Linux is.

  • I've been looking for a while now for something that will function as laptop / PDA / MP3 player / digital camera / mobile phone for me.

    I wonder if HP's 6315 is the One.

    Oh well, I guess I'll just have to wait until the site recover from the Slashdotting I guess...

  • No harddrive. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I still do not understand why these things don't have hard drives. What use is it, if I have to carry around an mp3 player in one pocket and a PDA in the other? It's horrible. I want one device. Why can't they manage to fit a hard drive inside? These things are bigger than iPod's. Why can't it just have a 40gig drive like any old mp3 player? The device would then function as a portable drive, PDA, and mp3 player.

    Until they have harddrives, I won't even consider buying any kind of PDA, iPaq, whatever.

    What
    • I use an expansion sleeve (when I need to) with my IPAQ 5455. This gives me two PC-card slots available.

      My basic configuration (without the sleeve)gives me 64 Megs RAM. I also have a 512 MB SD-RAM that I leave in with all the programs I run and my day-to-day data, including documents, spreadsheets, and maps for cities that I may visit.

      With the expansion sleeve, I can use GPS (with the mapping software that I already loaded), or use my Toshiba 5 GB PC-Card format hard drives. This is very convenient, as

  • I'm not impressed. (Score:3, Informative)

    by NNKK ( 218503 ) on Monday July 26, 2004 @10:43AM (#9801370) Homepage
    I bought an iPAQ 1945 in May for about the same price as the rz1715 is listing for.

    The rz1715 has exactly one advantage over the 1940/1945: WM2003SE. I'm not impressed.

    Everything else is measurably worse. Even the battery, although it's 100mAh bigger, is worse, since it's not user-replacable. Performance stinks, and it has *half* the RAM (the 1940/1945 has 64MB, this new rz1715 unit has 32MB). It doesn't even have built in Bluetooth (I don't use BT myself, but a number of people do).

    I'd highly recommend the 1940/1945 (they're the exact same device, but one model number is sold through business retail outlets, the other through consumer outlets) for anyone looking for an entry-level PocketPC device. I'd recommend AGAINST the rz1715, you're getting far less for your money.
  • Is it me, or do new PDAs come out every 3 frickin' months!??! Even with common sw platforms like Windows CE and PalmOS it sounds like a major hassle trying to make software that gets the most out of it.

    trying to by accessories for said models sounds like fun too. Of course, I'm still using my years-old 16mb Handspring Visor. Man did I have high hopes for that.
    • Is it me, or do new PDAs come out every 3 frickin' months!??! Even with common sw platforms like Windows CE and PalmOS it sounds like a major hassle trying to make software that gets the most out of it.

      /shrug

      I'm still using my Kyocera QCP6035 PalmOS phone (mmm, a bit over 3-years old now). Have zero plans for replacing it before 2006. It does everything I need, I can customize it with additional PalmOS applications, and I'm generally happy with everything about it.

      Unfortunately, the manufacturers w
  • No, I guess not...
  • The iPAQ h6315 looks like it has everything I'd want from a pocket device. I can't wait 'till these start having higher resolution cameras, more storage, and faster processors.

    The specs look a lot like the O2 XDA II. Anyone know how a 168MHz TI OMAP 1510 compares to a 400MHz Intel Xscale PXA 263? [myxda.com]
    • According to some reports [howardforums.com], the OMAP outperforms the 400 MHz Xscale, at least on multimedia code.

      Note that the forthcoming Motorola MpX, another OMAP device, has basically the same hardware as the 6315, but is presented in a modified flip-phone form factor roughly the same size as the original Moto StarTac.
  • evidently these new PDAs aren't strong enough to run a webserver off of yet...

    OMGLOLWTF I must be new here
  • I'm owner of iPAQ 5 serie and the only reason why I'm not buying this 6 beast is ... they are ugly.

    This retro design is too much. Compaq did better job in designing before.

  • Does it -- the 6315 -- run Linux?

    Not a troll. It's a legitimate question. This device is exactly what I've been looking for in a smartfone with the exception of Windows. The SonyEricsson P900 isn't available with a service plan *anywhere* in the United States, and I'm sure as hell not paying $800 for one without it.

    If the 6315 will run a fairly mature *nixoid OS, I'll give up my T68m in a heartbeat.

    p
  • I'm looking for a good, small cell phone which also functions as a basic PDA. I'm tired of keeping my cell phone address book updated manually. I'd also like basic access to my calendar, but I don't want something a) separate from my phone or b) larger than my phone.

    It doesn't have to allow for convenient text entry, as long as it will sync with a computer. (You can't really enter text into something as small as a cell phone anyway).
  • Truely, when in Wifi range I shouldn't have to pay for voice minutes. Instead it should use VOIP like Vonage softphone. I think that is why it has taken so long for a Pocket PC Phone to come out with built in WiFi or even WiFi capable slots because they know there will be VOIP apps developed for it thus reducing minute usage. Also, I hope that AT&T adopts this as I am not a big T-Mobile fan.

    Nick Powers
  • I'd buy something like this but I can't have a camera phone at work. I can't have one at the Gym. Might not be able to have one on the subway soon.

    Add to that the fact that idiots with camera phones are 2x more annoying then people with phones in general and bamm..You have a product I won't buy.

    Of couse it is just a matter of time before the camera/phone PDA makers claim sales are down because people are downloading phones for free over the internet.
    jcree

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