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MPAA to Sue BitTorrent Tracker Servers

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the drowned-in-a-paper-sea dept.

The Internet 1019

Mirkon writes "The Register and Reuters report that the Motion Picture Association of America is planning to begin a legal assault on websites that host BitTorrent trackers for copyrighted movie files. An announcement is supposed to be made by the MPAA President/CEO today, along with help from CEO of private P2P network developer Red Swoosh, and the CEO of BayTSP, 'which offers file-branding and -tracking applications.' Not that they have any vested interests in this of course. Though the articles take care to mention that this action is not against standard users, how long is it until BitTorrent itself is targeted?" Apropos of nothing, I saw a movie in the theaters a few days ago. At the official start time, the lights dimmed. Then there were 14 minutes of commercials (Pepsi, hair mousse, cologne, etc.) followed by 13 minutes of movie trailers (which are also advertising), followed by a few minutes of junk, followed by a 100-minute movie. I can't imagine why people would want to download movies when they have that great theater experience to compare against.

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Don't forget... (1)

SCO$699FeeTroll (695565) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085006)

...to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock-smoking teabaggers.

Ok, Michael (0, Troll)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085008)

Apropos of nothing, I saw a movie in the theaters a few days ago. At the official start time, the lights dimmed. Then there were 14 minutes of commercials (Pepsi, hair mousse, cologne, etc.) followed by 13 minutes of movie trailers (which are also advertising, of course), followed by a few minutes of junk, followed by a 100-minute movie.

Smooth, Sims. Funny how my last post in one of your stories got blasted to -1, Offtopic, but you have no qualms about starting out a tirade by admitting that it has nothing to do with anything relating to the story you attached it to. I wonder, is my speaking specifically to your admittedly offtopic rant offtopic?

Not only that, you forgot the most important part of your story: knowing that all of the crap you mentioned is standard practice, you were stupid enough to PAY them for the privilege to abuse you like that .

Re:Ok, Michael (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085058)


Actually I'm with with Mikey on this one. The ads that make me laugh are the "don't download movies" ones featuring the cleaning lady at Studio A or the receptionist from Studio B. Why not just quit paying actors millions per film? I have no sympathy.

Re:Ok, Michael (1)

stonedonkey (416096) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085141)

I've noticed that the first few negative responses to Michael's in-story soapboxing are typically rebutted by ACs.

Re:Ok, Michael (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085230)

Mikey clearly cares what people post about him, but he's too much of a fuck to change his habbits.

Look at me everybody! I have an opinion that's oh so special! They now have ads before movies, did you know that?!?!??! I'm going to triple the actual time I spent waiting for the movie to start to make it sound amazing! Because I'm the amazing MICHAEL OF SLASHER.ORG!

ATTENTION (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085009)

Please make sure you do not link to Bittorrent sites here on Slashdot, such as suprnova.org [suprnova.org] . If you do, then Slashdot will become liable as they'll be linking to a site that links to copyright materials.

Also, if that happens, please make sure you remove all links to Slashdot, or links to sites that link to Slashdot, as you'll also be liable.

P.S. michael, we're sorry you didn't like Blade Trinity, but Triple H was pretty hot, right?

Re:ATTENTION (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085067)

I think Michael actually was there to see Dominic Purcell [imdb.com] ... Rawr!

yep. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085010)

Rob Sutter = poop.

First Post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085013)

Woohoo

Challenger, Houston. Go with Frosty Post (1)

arothstein (233805) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085014)

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Napster (0, Redundant)

Cyclone_TBW (812384) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085017)

As long as I don't need to see Shawn Fannings face everywhere I will be fine.

MOD DOWN: IPOD SCAM LINK IN PARENT (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085114)

Re:MOD DOWN: IPOD SCAM LINK IN PARENT (0, Redundant)

Cyclone_TBW (812384) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085174)

Excuse me? There is no scam here. Gratis Networks is a fully compliant business. Should should researcb a little before crying wolf. They are the real deal.

MODS PARENT IS A SCAM ARTIST WHO SUPPORTS SPAMMING (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085195)

Re:MOD DOWN: IPOD SCAM LINK IN PARENT (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085186)

It's actually in the signature.

Apropos of nothing, I like fudge (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085032)

Let's go ride bikes

Vote with dollars (2, Insightful)

BWJones (18351) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085033)

Apropos of nothing, I saw a movie in the theaters a few days ago. At the official start time, the lights dimmed. Then there were 14 minutes of commercials (Pepsi, hair mousse, cologne, etc.) followed by 13 minutes of movie trailers (which are also advertising, of course), followed by a few minutes of junk, followed by a 100-minute movie.

Then why did you include it in your post? Say this in a comment instead. Anyhow, I will respond: I agree that it is silly and frustrating to have to sit through tons of ads before a movie, the length of time by the way standard so you cannot say "I will simply come ten minutes later". Additionally, ads are appearing in front of DVD movies which works for nationally known companies but not so well for smaller local companies which I am sure is one of the biggest reasons behind the push of On Demand. Namely the ability to sell localized content ads for an "at home audience". We are going to be faced with a deluge of ads (even intimately targeted ads) no matter what. The way to deal with it is vote with your dollars.

You must be new here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085062)

Silly you, editors don't post comments! They're too good to hang with the common folk, and, gasp, someone might moderate them down. (Of course, they could just moderate themselves back up.)

Re:Vote with dollars (5, Insightful)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085087)

The only ad that pissed me off is the one about copying movies, getting really tired of seeing it, and I see it several times a month. I don't copy movies, I go to see them in theatres. Yet after giving my money to the theatre I need to learn a lesson about how stealing is wrong.

ugh. /rant

Re:Vote with dollars (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085124)

I watch several new movies a month, and I have never seen that ad. Maybe I should go to a theater some time to catch it.

Re:Vote with dollars (3, Interesting)

ClownsScareMe (840001) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085102)

Then there were 14 minutes of commercials (Pepsi, hair mousse, cologne, etc.) followed by 13 minutes of movie trailers (which are also advertising, of course), followed by a few minutes of junk, followed by a 100-minute movie.

The same thing happened to me this weekend. And just when I was getting frustrated I thought, "But, wait, I'm still here and until it get's bad enough for me to stop going to the theater they're going to keep shoveling the crap on us."

Re:Vote with dollars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085204)

And if people stop buying movies the MPAA will blame it on piracy.

Re:Vote with dollars (1)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085206)

No, the way to deal with this is to ignore the ads. Seriously, thinking back through a day, I can't recall a single commercial I've seen, and the ones I do remember I usually recall vividly for being so bad, tasteless, and off-putting, that I have made a concious decision to never, ever, ever purchase that product.

I go to see a movie or two a month, and thinking back, I don't remember any commercials, because I ignored them. The human mind is incredibly adept, and at no point in the film-watching experience did I feel the overwhelming need to wear Old Navy, drink Pepsi, or stop pirating movies. In fact, the Old Navy ads irritate me SO MUCH that I have contemplated firebombing a few of them. Just think of it as advertising my desire to not buy their products.

Re:Vote with dollars (4, Insightful)

glwtta (532858) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085218)

The way to deal with it is vote with your dollars.

I thought I was!

But apparently suprnova is now going to get sued because of it.

My opinion (0)

Antony-Kyre (807195) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085228)

If someone is sick of advertisements, whether in theatres or in DVDs (which may prevent fast-forwarding), try this...

Write down all the ads/sponsors, and boycott every one of them while encouraging friends to do the same. I'd think I'd rather pay more than sit through non-fast-forwardable commercials on a DVD. But a great time to use the bathroom nonetheless.

actually, vote with abstention... (5, Interesting)

AbraCadaver (312271) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085248)

Someone suitably creative could create a website that tracks how much time commercials and crap take out of a movie, and POST it for all to view. The idea being that people know how many minutes they can skip before the feature starts, and avoid all the commercials. I think the very existence of a site like this, and a good amount of traffic to it, could send a powerful message: "We are NOT a captive audience!". The caveats being A) someone has to initially watch the commercials to time it, and B) you could lose a good seat :P

i can't believe this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085038)

the mpaa sucks

Woo! (4, Funny)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085050)

Apropos of nothing, I saw a movie in the theaters a few days ago. At the official start time, the lights dimmed. Then there were 14 minutes of commercials (Pepsi, hair mousse, cologne, etc.) followed by 13 minutes of movie trailers (which are also advertising, of course), followed by a few minutes of junk, followed by a 100-minute movie.

Wow--heavy, insightful stuff. Looks like somebody is gunning for a Pulitzer!

How about the article itself? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085221)

The article itself opens:

The Motion Picture Ass. of America (MPAA)

Convienent abbreviation don't you think? ;-)

Okay, guys, let's hear it (1)

rd_syringe (793064) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085232)

Let's see all your justifications for piracy! We know they'll get posted to this discussion, since protecting your copyrighted works is EVIL and WRONG on Slashdot, even though it's what people were saying they should do during the days of the Napster lawsuit.

Remember, copyrights only matter when we're bitching about "GPL source theft!" Post your backhanded justifications for piracy in this thread to get it out of the way, under the guise of "consumer rights" or "free advertising." Let's hear it!

Advertising (4, Insightful)

Dan East (318230) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085055)

Apropos of nothing, I saw a movie in the theaters a few days ago. At the official start time, the lights dimmed. Then there were 14 minutes of commercials (Pepsi, hair mousse, cologne, etc.) followed by 13 minutes of movie trailers (which are also advertising, of course), followed by a few minutes of junk, followed by a 100-minute movie.

How many of you remember MTV, Nickelodeon, and other cable-only channels were originally commercial-free back in the early 80's?

Just because these media conglomerates are making money off of you directly doesn't mean they won't try to make it indirectly as well.

Dan East

Re:Advertising (4, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085157)

Not only were they commercial free, that was part of the advertising plan to get people to switch to cable ' its commercial free'..

That lasted a long time didnt..

Advertising-C-Band. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085163)

"How many of you remember MTV, Nickelodeon, and other cable-only channels were originally commercial-free back in the early 80's?"

And how many remember when all the above were scramble-free over satellite? Worlds change, people change. I guess everything was good in "the good old days".

Re:Advertising (5, Interesting)

stupidfoo (836212) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085182)

How many of you remember MTV, Nickelodeon, and other cable-only channels were originally commercial-free back in the early 80's?

Ad free television??? You Can't Do That On Television! [ycdtotv.com]

Best. Show. EVER.

Reform (5, Interesting)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085057)

So, the MPAA is putting comercials in the movies, sueing people that might help support the effort for movie sharing. Are they hurting for money????? I have not seen any reports on it.

So, is there a way to reform that indusrty? Or, are we just screwed. Will it become like tv where the movies get shorter just to make room for more comercials and how long until there are comercials in the middle of movies?

Re:Reform (1)

CokeFiend (233245) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085225)

There already are... companies acutally pay for spots in the movies. In blockbusters the cost can be in the millions.

They have a point. (4, Insightful)

CrkHead (27176) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085061)

I can see that the tracker sites are providing information that can only be used for getting copyrighted materials.

I do not see this as a threat to bit torrent as it is not removing the arguement of having other, valid uses.

Re:They have a point. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085092)

So, what happens if someone wants to offer a public tracker site for people who can't run their own? I'm sure someone would slip some copyright material in there at some point.

Re:They have a point. (1)

NekoIncardine (838965) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085170)

I pretty much have to agree with this statement; This is the same reason that filesharing is legal even if a major use of it (Okay, THE major use) isn't, thus why the RIAA is suing individuals now.

Who wants to bet that this won't do a damn thing other than make trackers a little harder to find?

SWAP in person! (5, Interesting)

MalaclypseTheYounger (726934) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085063)

Again, I must proclaim this awesome website I found a few months ago:

WWW.MEDIACHEST.COM !! It's awesome. You can catalog (even use a CueCat if you got one) your entire movie, book, CD, game collection, and place the titles online for others to browse. Meet people in your neighborhood, get together with them, and swap your stuff. Watch each other's movies, read each other's books. Last I checked there is no law against that. (Yet).

And you get to venture outside, and blink haphazardly at the bright yellow object in the sky that you may not have seen in a while. And maybe make a new friend with like interests.

(Check my sig for a link to the website)

Re:SWAP in person! (1, Informative)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085193)

offtopic, and this is too.. but I'll point out to you that this site is of no use whatsoever to anyone who has the good luck not to live in the USA, nor is it actually P2P.

What if... (5, Interesting)

vivin (671928) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085070)

But the sites themselves do not carry the files. They only have information about the trackers, and are not involved in the actual distribution or sharing of the files.

So how do they plan to sue them?

As far as the last paragraph in the article... I don't know what to say... Let's say I wrote a new program to copy files from one destination to another and someone used it to copy a bunch of MP3's and movies, I guess the RIAA/MPAA can knock down my door and come get me... even though I had the totally benign idea to simply copy files from one place to another...

I guess they should attack any file transferring program no-matter how benign it is? That's like saying let's put the gun in prison instead of the guy that fired it.

Re:What if... (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085171)

I thought it was illegal [nytimes.com] to do that (the whole DeCSS case and all).

Re:What if... (1)

botzi (673768) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085172)

They won't sue anyone(in this case). They just make life more difficult.

Re:What if... (4, Insightful)

TellarHK (159748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085175)

What they're going to argue is that the tracker sites are designed and operated specifically for the distribution of copyrighted materials. We might like to think they're on shaky ground with that kind of argument, but legally they have a pretty good chance of winning if certain things are evident.

1: Jurisdiction.

2: Intent.

Jurisdiction is something the MPAA has been good at manipulating for years. They'll find a way to get jurisdiction over anyone they actually sue, or mirrors, etcetera. Intent will be really easy in case of sites like Suprnova that have entire sections named off for things like Movies, Comics, Music, Games, etcetera. The sub-grouping of categories, show titles and other such breakdowns within those areas I listed above will be the most presentable evidence used to show "Hey, these people knew they were distributing copies of X TV show or music by this specific artist - they have a section with X's name on it.".

Re:What if... (2, Interesting)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085201)

to facilitate a crime is still a crime. If you knowingly let drug dealers use your vacation home you never go to, it's still a crime, even if you're not the one dealing the drugs.

Also note that they are going specifically after trackers that are putting up torrent files to movies. Not after bittorrent, or torrents sharing, say, linux CDs.

People that post torrent files to say "The Incredibles" know exactly what they're doing.

Re:What if... (1)

FlunkedFlank (737955) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085252)

I tend to think the idea is to use their muscle to scare the sites into shutting down, regardless of who has the law on their side. Who's actually behind these sites? I always pictured suprnova as being run by a teenager in Norway or something. In any case, probably not people with enough capital to defend a case like this, no? Expect to see another drawn-out international court case ala Sharman Networks.

So did Sollog see THIS one coming? (1)

TellarHK (159748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085072)

I did, so nyah!

But seriously, this was something I think everyone could see from the very first time you saw "0 day" movie warez on the trackers. Suprnova may be a hard target to get, due to jurisdictional issues, but there're a lot of other sites that're out there that may well become really big bullseyes for the MPAA.

The real threat is going to be from Suprnova in round three of the file sharing wars. A distributed torrent network like WinMX but without a central server? Holy crap. Once that's on the loose, the MPAA, RIAA and BSA are pretty much boned.

China here we come... (1)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085151)

All that will happen is that torrent sites will move to Chinese servers where Western laws are nothing more than an amusing concept. I'm looking forward to it, should make it much easier to get files.

Re:So did Sollog see THIS one coming? (1)

ryanr (30917) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085238)

Nah, they can just continue going after the individual traders. A list of all IPs trading a given file is built into the protocol, and it crytographically verifies that a particular IP is giving out valid pieces. If an MPAA rep bothers to download enough to verify that it is something copyrighted by someone they represent, they've got all the info they need to proceed. A handful of BT users have posted to the bittorrent_help mailing list indicating that they have received violation notices via their ISP.

Guess You'd (2, Insightful)

The Dobber (576407) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085077)


rather pay even higher ticket prices. See, the advertisers defer some of the cost of the movie, be it at the production level, distribution or showing.

Don't want to sit through some commercials, tough tittie, still doesn't give you the right to steal it.

Re:Guess You'd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085162)

I'd rather see actors not make 20 million a movie. That's my solution.

Re:Guess You'd (1)

hsmith (818216) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085169)

all they have to do is stop making shitty movies and that would defray a good bit of the cost.

Re:Guess You'd (1)

bhima (46039) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085184)

Actually, I bet I could talk the local punk bar into showing bootlegs from 9:00 to 11:ish when it's quiet

No problem and they'd be sticking it to the 'man'.

Gotta go, need to find my dreadlocks wig

As Good as it Gets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085086)

I think it might be the theaters who are responsible for a lot of the ads before movies.

The media industry might not have it good for too much longer. It's getting a lot easier to create entertaining media for peanuts, so maybe you can't blame the RIAA and the MPAA for at least trying to hold on.

So, does this mean (1)

my moustache (839297) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085091)

that the next people they'll sue are the IT guys and tech kids who have to explain to their friends/peers/relatives what in the heck bittorrent is?

Shrek 2 DVD (kinda OT) (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085093)

I bought the Shrek 2 DVD, and Disney forces you (at least on my non-modded DVD player) to sit through several minutes of adversting under the guise of previews/trailers before the movie starts. Skipping the previews is a prohibited operation. I can understand how they might do this on a $89 rental copy, but not on MY (MY) personal $19.99 copy. I should NEVER be forced to watch previews.

Re:Shrek 2 DVD (kinda OT) (1)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085181)

I should NEVER be forced to watch previews.

Do you pay a monthly bill to your satellite/cable TV provider? Do they make you watch commercials? In short, you've been paying for the priviledge of advertising for a long time.

Nothing to see here, move along...

Re:Shrek 2 DVD (kinda OT) (2, Insightful)

parvenu74 (310712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085194)

And they wonder why users clamor for a tool that will allow them to rip DVD's for backup and conveniently drop all the mandatory commercials from the "backup" copies...

Re:Shrek 2 DVD (kinda OT) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085250)

Disney does? Isn't Shrek a DreamWorks production?

Choices... (2, Insightful)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085103)

...followed by a 100-minute movie.

Of course, the 100-minute movie was filled with dozens of product placements (actor A holding a can of "Pepsi" while actress B says "I have to check my AOL account").

Michael, quite your whining. You chose to go to the movie. No one forced you to do this.

Suprnova now a pay site (1)

alta (1263) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085104)

I just went to check on Suprnova to see if it's been taken down because of this, but today it has become a For Pay site! Sad day....

Re:Suprnova now a pay site (1)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085178)

eh, no. you went to the wrong suprnova. The real one is suprnova.org.

Re:Suprnova now a pay site (1)

alta (1263) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085180)

Opps, wait, no. I mistyped... that's supErnova.org. That's pretty crappy of them to steal suprnova's good name...

Re:Suprnova now a pay site (1)

PhilippeT (697931) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085205)

Hey Moron did you goto Suprnova.com? or did you go to the right address of Suprnova.org, I can check from work, but im guessing your just stupid

No it's not (5, Informative)

scheme (19778) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085210)

just went to check on Suprnova to see if it's been taken down because of this, but today it has become a For Pay site! Sad day....

You probably went to suprnova.com or suprnova.net which are pay sites pretending to be suprnova. Suprnova.org looks like it still is the same as usual.

Re:Suprnova now a pay site (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085224)

It's suprnova.org
You've probably visited the fake .com or .net sites.

Re:Suprnova now a pay site (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085231)

no it's not. troll. are you sure you went to http://suprnova.org/ and not .com or any shit like that?

Re:Suprnova now a pay site (1)

evanfrey (838952) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085237)

no it hasnt. suprnova.org is the same. were you checking suprnova.com or .net by chance?

Re:Suprnova now a pay site (1)

DHalcyon (804389) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085240)

There happens to be a difference between suprnova.org and .com/.net. (See .org title)

Re:Suprnova now a pay site (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085251)

What are you talking about? I just visited suprnova."ORG" and it was fine. Don't visit .com or .net they are scams.

Trailers? (2, Insightful)

Folmer (827037) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085108)

When i go to the theater i like watching the trailers, and judging by the download count of the big movie trailers i'm not alone. I really dont see any problems with that, and if you have a problem you can always arrive late and miss them. When i was in the states a couple of years i could swear that they showed at least 15 minutes of commercials on tv. Every hour!

Re:Trailers? (1)

yamla (136560) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085253)

This link [turnoffyourtv.com] shows that there is considerably more than 15 minutes of non-programming time per hour on American t.v., as much as 20:53 minutes per hour in some time slots.

It is bad enough that people are actually stopping watching television, choosing instead to download t.v. shows, watch it on PVRs that allow them to skip commercials, or taping the shows and ff-ing through commercials.

How long until Apple works out a deal with studios (1, Interesting)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085109)

Although I'd hate to see torrent trackers get sued, this might have a positive side-effect:

Movies on torrent sites are generally of sub-par quality, the field is ripe for a good distributer to fill the void between the content and paying consumers.

Apple has 2 things going for it:
- they have an acceptable DRM policy, and
- they have shown users don't mind paying reasonable prices for copyrighted content.

Not to mention that with all the bandwidth apple has, they probably could offer such a service (movies for download).

With a few advances they could start offering movies to be downloaded to iPods, and then played on the TV.

Oh no! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085118)

Will this affect empornium.us? Ah, well who cares then. You GET fucked if you watch hollywood movies in the theater or by rental, but you get to WATCH fucking if you download from empornium!

great! (1)

SoupGuru (723634) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085119)

just goes to show how superior kazaa is f**blip**blip**blip** **bleeep** **blip** **blip**

movie commercial database (1)

KevDude (115267) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085120)

That gives me an idea... Do most movies get distributed with a standard set of commercials or do the theaters tack them on on their own? It would be nice if people could start a database listing go see movie x, 24 minutes after start-time to avoid the commercials. Well I guess you would still get the tacked on local commercials, and only work in areas where movies don't always sell out, but I think the theater managers would get the hint if lots of people started doing this...

We should applaud this... (5, Insightful)

which way is up (835908) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085129)

The fact that the RIAA and MPAA are now going after the people breaking copyright law instead of writing legislation aimed at crippling technology and suing service providers is a good thing.

Now, of course there are still some stupid hybrid technological/legal measures they're pushing like 5C encryption and the broadcast flag. But if unlawful uses of file sharing/copying/archiving diminish due to fear of individual suits, then legitimate fair use will become a significant part of what is being prevented by these measures and they'll hopefully stop or be forced to stop them. Hopefully.

You apparently don't understand BT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085190)

The tracking servers don't send or receive any copyright material. They say "User A has this piece, and user B has this piece, and..." and so on. They aren't going after the actual infringers.

If you were trying to stop hitmen, would you go after the guy who can tell you where to find one, or would you go after the actual hitman?

Sue without proposing a solution? (1)

parvenu74 (310712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085135)

Why is the MPAA going after "the problem" without proposing "a solution" to go with it? Do they think that crushing BitTorrent will be the end of their troubles? Did they not see what happened when the music industry crushed Napster? Instead of having one point of distribution that can be monitored, they created the situation that cutting off one head causes dozens more to pop up. What they *should* do is come up with an online video store to offer a legit alternative. Heck, they could even use BitTorrent for distribution...

Disclaimer (2, Interesting)

DHalcyon (804389) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085138)

A bittorent tracker disclaimer:

None of the files shown here are actually hosted on this server. The links are provided solely by this site's users. The administrator of this site cannot be held responsible for what its users post, or any other actions of its users. You may not use this site to distribute or download any material when you do not have the legal rights to do so. It is your own responsibility to adhere to these terms.

Can anyone who knows about legal stuff probably explain to me if such a disclaimer is of any use for a BT tracker?

Re:Disclaimer (1)

Zed2K (313037) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085188)

Disclaimers or not. That doesn't stop a really large group of companies from attacking a site run by a small fish and freaking the small fish out enough to get the fish to give them a ton of money to go away.

Apropos (2, Funny)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085139)

"Apropos of nothing..."

True, that is apropos of nothing. Myself, (apropos of nothing, of course) I like mittens.

Rolling the same joke just once more... (5, Funny)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085143)

MPAA: What happen ?
Minion: Somebody set up us the Tracker.
Minion: We get packet.
MPAA: What !
Minion: Packet Sniffer turn on.
MPAA: It's you !!
Torrents: How are you gentlemen !!
Torrents: All your MOVIES are belong to us.
Torrents: You are on the way to destruction.
MPAA: What you say !!
Torrents: You have no chance to survive make your time.
Torrents: Ha Ha Ha Ha ....
MPAA: Sue every Tracker!!
MPAA: You know what you doing.
MPAA: For great PROFIT.

FAI,LZORS... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085144)

develoPers. The [goat.cx]

Completely Useless - As Usual (1)

nihilistcanada (698105) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085154)

How hard is it to set up a server in a country with shall we say less then aggresive copyright enforcement? Not hard at all. We still have all of eastern Europe, Asia and other places. That assumes the legal issues in their attempt to shut stuff down even works, and I doubt that. I remember in my old edonkey days all the servers were located in Turkey to avoid hassles from the man. And all the users were from Germany. Foreshadowing? Nahhh.

Century Theaters (3, Interesting)

readams (35355) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085156)

Century theaters do not show TV ads before their movies. AMC is absolutely intolerable because of their advertising practices. I absolutely refuse to go to AMC theaters because of this. Century has all the same movies with a much better experience.

Bram Cohen (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085158)

"Sources say the MPAA is not necessarily going after BitTorrent's developer, Bram Cohen, only the server operators."

Why don't they go after the creators of ftp and http too while they're at it...
He hasn't done anything wrong.

Dear Micheal... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085191)

...did you have the Goobers or Jujubees? The world wants to know.

Haven't these people heard of NetFlix? (2, Insightful)

physicsphairy (720718) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085200)

Quite frankly, BitTorrent is the less convenient way to 'steal' movies. I think there have been advertisements here on slashdot for it, but NetFlix is a business where you pay a monthly fee and they mail you movies, and you mail them back and pick new ones as often as you like. If I had the harddrive space, I could easily rip a hundred dvds with much less hastle than downloading them.

What I can't get is TV episodes. If I knew where to buy them, I would (Invader Zim, anyone?) but I can't find any.

So it's really a shame to have the tracker services shutdown.

Here in Finland.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085208)

Apparently at least one finnish tracker was put down by police today. And others are apparently down too.

If the MPAA and Hollywood were sincere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085209)

They would put the trailers at the END of the movie, so those of us who wanted to leave could do so during the credits, and those that wanted to stay could. And then trailers would be behind the movie, just like the kind you tow.

They already did that in Finland today... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085212)

It has been in Finnish media and all over the IRC channels.

#finreactor bittorrent tracker servers being plugged off and examined by police.

More info (in English) here [gamebase.fi]

Solution (1)

Bad Dude (14345) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085215)

Get a girlfriend and make out during the commercials...

Oh wait, never mind...

Meanwhile outside US... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085220)

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/5878.cfm [afterdawn.com] Not sure how this site can handle slashdotting so here goes: --- Finnish BitTorrent link site busted 14 December 2004 9:05 by dRD [picture]Finnish authorities have today seized the computers of the administrators of Finnish site Finreactor which was one of the largest sites in Finland listing links to copyrighted materials in BitTorrent network. According to sources, National Bureau of Investigation (Keskusrikospoliisi) raided the admins' homes today and seized all the computer equipment and storage media for further investigation, but released the suspects shortly after the raid. The site itself has been down since early hours of today. Site had over 37,000 registered members and had links to more than 6,000 pirated releases on BitTorrent network. Additionally, the forums of the site boasted a large number of links to releases in other P2P networks, most notably in eDonkey network. Apparently the NBI acted after it received a request from Finnish copyright associations, including the BSA and Teosto (the Finnish equivalent of RIAA). Source: National Bureau of Investigation (link in Finnish)

How to avoid liablilty? (1)

10000000000000000000 (809085) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085223)

only one solution.

begin hosting the trackers off of compromised machines by running p2p discovery apps.

This looks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11085233)

This looks like it will take a few years to settle at any rate. Torrents are legal in themselves are used to distribute legal files, as well as 'illegal'.

Also, the MPAA itself only has jurisiction in the US, and will not be able to sue trackers that are hosted in other countries, unless they get the local version to play their game, but often times they don't have the money to do it.

And this will likely cause a napster-like thing again. Yes, there are a lot of trackers out there already, but only a couple really big ones. If the MPAA somehow manages to get a big tracker site shut down, another one will step up to the plate, and we'll have a couple more sites pop up.

Bounding (1)

jdaytona (836971) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085242)

Advertising works, right after I saw The Incredibles I went out and bought some sheep because of the advertising before the movie... Man that sheep was happy-go-lucky! I would like to sue for false advertisment though, my sheep just lounge around chomping grass and the like all day, bad sheep.

Question to all those who will bash the MPAA (1)

RedK (112790) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085247)

How many of you went out to buy the ROTK EE DVD set today ?

This Will Work Real Well... (1)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 9 years ago | (#11085249)

Oh yea, this will work real well. I mean, you can only host a tracker on a top of the line server in an American(or American friendly) high-bandwidth facility; it's not like it can be run on cheaper hardware in a non-copyright friendly nation like Russia, right?
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