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1260 comments

That's horrible (1)

Bad Move (774329) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130927)

Where am I going to steal my stuff now?

Well, uh... (1, Funny)

Icarus1919 (802533) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130928)

Maybe it was a flashcrowd? (pertaining to yesterday's story)

who else? (1)

whysanity (231556) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130929)

I don't know if this is coincedental, but the filelist.org tracker seems to be acting up as well.

Re:who else? (5, Informative)

aldoman (670791) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130975)

I think they are getting way too many members to cope with at the moment (with TB and suprnova going down). They got about 15,000 in 12 hours (went from 140,000 last night to 155,000 this morning when I checked).

This is going to be a huge issue for all the new/small torrents sites - how do they work with the load that millions of new users demand?

BTW: If you have an IRC client, you can join #bt, #bt-gm and #tvtorrents on efnet. #bt and #tvtorrents serves TV show torrents and #bt-gm serves torrents for games and movies.

Since it's IRC it stands a somewhat better chance of surviving.

Re:who else? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131013)

isohunt.com is also out for the count...

Something defo going on

BitTorrent is a pirates' delight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11130931)

It's easy to download full isos of software and have them error checked while downloading. Bittorrent is much better at transfering binaries than Usenet. Plus no chance of losing parts of the files downloaded unless there's nobody to seed the torrent.

FP? (-1, Offtopic)

dosius (230542) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130932)

suprnova did say they were having trouble staying online. DDoS by MPAA?

FP?

Moll.

Re:FP? (1)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131046)

But wouldn't the MPAA/RIAA be engaging in illegal behavior by doing a DDoS.... oops I forgot they have a separate set of rules for them.

Exeem (4, Interesting)

gunpowda (825571) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130933)

Exeem [slashdot.org] , anybody?

Re:Exeem (2, Informative)

TheBadger (131644) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131011)

Where is exeem located? I cannot seem to find it...

Re:Exeem (2, Informative)

gunpowda (825571) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131028)

I think they did this to drum up interest in Exeem, their next generation torrent p2p client, which makes everyone a tracker. It's in private beta testing right now, so only 5000 users allowed on it.

Re:Exeem (-1, Flamebait)

canwaf (240401) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131081)

Drum up Exeem? Since I read somewhere that it's closed source, and there is no intent to port it to linux... I hope Exeem dies a firey death, as places like suprnova can easily be replaced.

Now if Exeem because opensource, and becomes availible for Linux... well... another matter entirely.

Re:Exeem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131101)

You can only get to it on the sn forum... but it isnt realy too good in the current beta(your not missing much)

Reason (2, Interesting)

leonmergen (807379) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130935)

I really can't imagine neither of these sites would say something naughty about the MPAA if they would be the reason the sites has to shut down, so what *could* the reason be ?

Simple bandwidth usage or server load ? To me, that looks like about the only option left, and sounds very plausible after reading Suprnova's message...

It's all very very weird, especially both sites going down at the same time...

Re:Reason (1)

Scoria (264473) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130992)

I really can't imagine neither of these sites would say something naughty about the MPAA if they would be the reason the sites has to shut down, so what *could* the reason be ?

Unless, of course, non-disclosure happened to be a term of their settlement. ;-)

Re:Reason (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131055)

Since the MPAA has no legal jurisdiction in Sweden (or wherever these sites were run), I'm guessing they took the money that they would have spent on lawyers/legal fees and simply bought off the owners of Suprnova and TorrentBits.

It might sound implausible, but if your 2 choices were to either get sued or get a fat paycheck and go away, which would you pick? That would also exlain the secrecy of the shutdowns. I suspect that if it was simply a bandwidth/DOS issue, they would have said so.

Re:Reason (4, Informative)

dk.r*nger (460754) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131115)

I really can't imagine neither of these sites would say something naughty about the MPAA if they would be the reason the sites has to shut down, so what *could* the reason be ?

A "we know we probably can't nail you properly, but our lawyers can make life tough on you for years to come - so just leave town, and do it tonight" - deal?

pay off (0, Offtopic)

Pu'be (618443) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130939)

Crap o'

First Prost Beetches! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11130940)

First Prost Beetches!

Damn it! (2, Insightful)

nordicfrost (118437) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130942)

How am I going to watch Enterprise now? No TV channel in Norway sends it, nor do they have any plans to send it. I buy the DVDs. I watch the movies. And then they fuck people over by removing my only way of watching it before it comes to DVD?

And, no, I don't have access to Swedish channels.

Re:Damn it! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11130971)

I was going to say TvTorrents [tvtorrents.net] but they're down as well. So hurmm... learn to love IRC all over again.

Re:Damn it! (1)

Further82 (720625) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130979)

I too download Enterprise from links posted on Suprnova. I dont have UPN so for awhile I had to, but recently FOX started playing the new episodes on Sunday nights. Either way, the rips on Suprnova were of so much better quailty, plus no commercials, that I didnt even bother watching it on TV anymore. Either way, I'm sure somthing else will pop up very soon. Besides, you got till about a week into January before they start airing new episodes again, so we got some time

Re:Damn it! (2, Informative)

pixas (711468) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130983)

SVT no longer brodcasts Enterprise. We sweedes are out of luck too when it comes to watching the latest trek (If it wasn't for bittorrent that is).

Re:Damn it! (1)

Prophetic_Truth (822032) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130985)

Enterprise? Easy alt.binaries.startrek

Re:Damn it! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131000)

you can get enterprise and many other showes from the folks at btefnet.com

Re:Damn it! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131009)

Try www.thepiratebay.com [thepiratebay.com] . It's a Swedish website, so you can even support other Scandanavians... ;)

It's listing several season 4 episodes at the moment.

Re:Damn it! (5, Funny)

CPM User (582899) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131103)

I particularly like their legal threats page [thepiratebay.org]

Re:Damn it! (4, Interesting)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131042)

Not to mention Simpsons. There should be a new episode tonight, I think. Yes, I can watch Simpsons on TV3, but not the newest episodes. Not yet. But I have the right to time-shift, haven't I?

Ouch! Mrtwig.net is down as well. No South Park for slow children this christmas.

Re:Damn it! (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131083)

www.btefnet.com - only tv shows

Re:Damn it! (1, Offtopic)

RinzeWind (413873) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131086)

You can try TV Torrents [tvtorrents.net] .

Re:Damn it! (1)

JDevers (83155) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131097)

Try the Edonkey network and http://www.the-realworld.de/index.php
They list virtually every TV show, sorted nicely too.

Rucas (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11130943)

Owned them lol

Not Down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11130945)

It's Just gone to IRC.

suprnova t-shirt (5, Funny)

tkr2099 (656707) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130947)

But I just bought my suprnova.org t-shirt!

Re:suprnova t-shirt (1)

iosmart (624285) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130980)

it'll be worth something someday :( if suprnova is down, all the other torrent sites are gonna fall pretty soon. suprnova seemed to have the best method of distribution. i hope the kid doesnt get in big trouble for it...

So it goes. (1)

danhm (762237) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130948)

At least Yotoshi [yotoshi.com] is still around.

Re:So it goes. (1)

gleepskip (647848) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130964)

Nope. It's gone, too.

Re:So it goes. (2, Informative)

danhm (762237) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130987)

I just checked it a few minutes ago. It took about a minute to load on my cable modem, so I assume it's just being swamped.

Bested! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11130952)

10th POst!

Not only SN and TB (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11130955)

A lot more other sites went down today...

Re:Not only SN and TB (5, Informative)

0x461FAB0BD7D2 (812236) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131124)

Youceff is dead too, thanks to a raid by the French police. Phoenix torrents has killed itself.

LokiTorrent is still around, but who knows for how long?

Interestingly, Suprnova posted torrents for Firefox, Thunderbird and other legal software. They helped share the load for legal software developers, regardless of what warez was shared by their users.

All these sites will be sorely missed by many.

Suprnova Mirror (4, Informative)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130956)

Bi-Torrent.com [bi-torrent.com]

As everybody should be able to figure out... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11130957)

Suprnova.org itself says:

Greetings everybody, As you have probably noticed, we have often had downtimes. This was because it was so hard to keep this site up! But now we are sorry to inform you all, that SuprNova is closing down for good in the way that we all know it. We do not know if SuprNova is going to return, but it is certainly not going to be hosting any more torrent links. We are very sorry for this, but there was no other way, we have tried everything. Thank you all that helped us, by donating mirrors or something else, by uploading and seeding files, by helping people out on IRC and on forum, by spreading the word about SuprNova.org. It is a sad day for all of us! Please visit SuprNova.org every once in a while to get the latest news on what is happening and if there is anything new to report on. As we wish to maintain the nice comunity that we created, we are keppig forums and irc servers open. Thank you all and Goodbye! sloncek & the rest of the SuprNova Team

also... (1)

Dayflowers (729580) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130958)

dvdr-core.org has also been unavailable recently....

In a possible related story... (1)

saskboy (600063) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130959)

LokiTorrent [lokitorrent.com] has just upgraded their account interface.

Perhaps rival torrent sites were applying some sort of pressure?

Message on suprnova FP (-1, Redundant)

damiam (409504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130961)

Greetings everybody,

As you have probably noticed, we have often had downtimes. This was because it was so hard to keep this site up!
But now we are sorry to inform you all, that SuprNova is closing down for good in the way that we all know it.
We do not know if SuprNova is going to return, but it is certainly not going to be hosting any more torrent links.
We are very sorry for this, but there was no other way, we have tried everything.

Thank you all that helped us, by donating mirrors or something else, by uploading and seeding files, by helping people out on IRC and on forum, by spreading the word about SuprNova.org.
It is a sad day for all of us!

Please visit SuprNova.org every once in a while to get the latest news on what is happening and if there is anything new to report on.

As we wish to maintain the nice comunity that we created, we are keppig forums and irc servers open.

Thank you all and Goodbye!
sloncek & the rest of the SuprNova Team

Re:Message on suprnova FP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131019)

WE LOVE YOU. SuprNova was by far my favourite... plz come back!

EXEEM is the holy grail.....

LEECHER FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MOD DOWN PARENT! KARMA WHORE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131052)

Goddamn it.

torrentreactor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11130963)

Well, it's a good thing that torrentreactor [torrentreactor.net] is still around.

wink, wink ;)

Did I ever tell you your my hero? (1)

EvilGoodGuy (811015) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130966)

Thank god I found some good private trackers that are holding their heads high still. SuprNova I will mourn this day in memory of you. :( You brought me world's of enjoyment that I never new a fast bandwidth could provide. All of those guys out there who run these sites are true hero's in my eyes. Time to put on the tin foil hats, they're always after me lucky charms. *runs to corner to cry*

PSA: SuprNova down last couple of days (0)

Hangtime (19526) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130967)

Its been down for a couple of days now, not just due to Slashdot.

Re:PSA: SuprNova down last couple of days (1)

EvilGoodGuy (811015) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131010)

Sorry buddy but this didn't have anything to do with slashdot. I wish it did, but suprnova isn't comming back anytime soon.

I hit it friday (1)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131022)

I'm pretty sure I was hitting it Friday night, if not Saturday some time, so it couldn't have been down *that* long...

Re:PSA: SuprNova down last couple of days (0)

jpmkm (160526) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131085)

Bullshit. I was just on it last night and it worked just fine.

Re:PSA: SuprNova down last couple of days (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131119)

Not true, I was on the site last night.

Sounds like they hit him hard (2, Informative)

Exstatica (769958) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130969)

Well they have the notices on their site. It looks like they either got a letter or a visit. http://www.torrentreactor.net/ [torrentreactor.net] is still up. A very well crafted letter from a laywer will really put some threats on people. Sounds like this is what happened.

youceff.com is also down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11130974)

youceff.com is down as well. lokitorrent still seems to be up though.

A possible hype machine? (3, Interesting)

NightWulf (672561) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130978)

Is it possible they brought their web pages down on purpose in order to create a little hype and maybe some panic amongst Torrent users. Then in a week or two they will release that new P2P file sharing program the have had in beta for a while? Seems like a good enough marketing campaign as a lot of Torrent users are students, or kids, and Slashdot may not be their source of information, though this story did find itself on the front page.

If you click into the links (3, Informative)

mcnut (712202) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130982)

You'll read that they have both given up and shut their doors to torrent hosting. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but when two of the biggest torrent link sites go down very close in time to one another, I'm guessing there was a sweep of cease and decist letters. Guess its true about the "The bigger they are" hypothesis

IRC Link (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11130986)

IRC for SuprNova is dead too, so there's no asking there.

Re:IRC Link (1)

b00stA (839177) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131116)

No. The link on suprnova.org was wrong.
irc.suprnova.org is working fine, but you probably don't want to join any channels anyway, because everybody is going crazy about the closing of SN.

Reply from Admin? (4, Informative)

vossman77 (300689) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130988)

Taken from here [dslreports.com]
-------
AT LAST!
I've got a chance to reply to some of these rumours and wild speculation!
(YES - this is going to be one of the Puppy's long boring posts,
but if you don't read it all, don't bother replying - NO CRIB NOTES AVAILABLE)

Firstly, I have to say,
I am extremely dissapointed with the response from some of the members of the TB community.
Scare-mongering and spreading rumours is not the most helpful thing to do in a situation like this!
I know everyone is unhappy about it, but don't burn your bridges with insults or by playing the blame game!

Secondly,
I am extremely delighted with the reponse form some of the members of the TB community.
Members like DeeJee, and Warlok, who are trying to keep us all together,
to get the correct information out. There are probably more that I don't know about yet....
and all those working behind the scenes.... Thanks guys

OK lets get down to it.
A few facts:-
- I am extremely sad to report, that I have just found out that, TB, as we know it, is DEAD.
- The full reason why Rb choose to close down is still not yet known
- Rb was "on holiday" when the site went down, and is in no position to put it back up again,
or explain anything, until he gets back
- There was a Ddos attack - After the site went down!

One more fact:-
Nobody, REPEAT, nobody, except Redbeard knows what Redbeard is planning to do.

Keep watching torrentbits.org for a statement.
It's the ONLY place to get the full facts

An alternative is (1)

p0 (740290) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130989)


http://www.torrent-base.dl.am/

still lives...

No worries (3, Informative)

voya (582627) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130990)

Use www.lokitorrent.com [lokitorrent.com] from now on. It's just as good as suprnova.org was.
Also, check out it's sister site: www.mufftorrent.com [mufftorrent.com]

Coincidence? (1)

anamexis (753041) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130993)

In the past, both of these sites have had less than exemplary uptimes. Is there a chance that they both just happened to have problems at the same time?

Glad It Is Gone (-1, Redundant)

Space_Soldier (628825) | more than 9 years ago | (#11130998)

I am glad that it is gone. I hated it with a passion. It was the worst torrent site. It had the worst design and the worst advertisements ever. On their search page, the ads took more space than the search form. AdBlock made it bearable. It also attracted too much attention.

HOW DOES THIS AFFECT MY RIGHTS??? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131001)

Michael ominously noted that the MPAA is going after torrent sites, but these sites that shut down make no mention of this.

There's no connection so far between these two events and no evidence this has anything to do with "rights".

Leave it to michael once again to leap to conclusions.

This is a sad day... (0)

Tesko (719892) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131004)

For those of us too lazy and cheap to take the walk to EB Games, Best Buy, and the like. Seriously, I'll miss SuprNova, it was the best place to find No-CD cracks, because I do own the games I got the cracks for, but Im just horrible at not losing my CD's.

Not really dark (0, Redundant)

Derg (557233) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131005)

Got this from suprnova.org

Greetings everybody,

As you have probably noticed, we have often had downtimes. This was because it was so hard to keep this site up!
But now we are sorry to inform you all, that SuprNova is closing down for good in the way that we all know it.
We do not know if SuprNova is going to return, but it is certainly not going to be hosting any more torrent links.
We are very sorry for this, but there was no other way, we have tried everything.

Thank you all that helped us, by donating mirrors or something else, by uploading and seeding files, by helping people out on IRC and on forum, by spreading the word about SuprNova.org.
It is a sad day for all of us!

Please visit SuprNova.org every once in a while to get the latest news on what is happening and if there is anything new to report on.

As we wish to maintain the nice comunity that we created, we are keppig forums and irc servers open.

Thank you all and Goodbye!
sloncek & the rest of the SuprNova Team

Bye bye SuprNova (5, Interesting)

colonslashslash (762464) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131006)

I saw earlier in SuprNova IRC that the topic stated:

Now talking in #suprnova.org
Topic is 'SuprNova is from today on DOWN. It will not be returning in any way that we know it now. We are very sorry for this, but it is not possible any other way. Thank you all for all your help! SuprNova crew '
* Set by sloncek on Sun Dec 19 16:08:10

I knew it was serious as sloncek is the owner of SN and doesn't fool about with the topics much (unless its April 1st).

The thing that affects me most is that we at TLMP [tlm-project.org] get a large portion of our traffic for Linux ISO torrents from SuprNova's listings.

Anyway, there are other sites, and much like when SR was taken down a couple of years ago, one of them will likely take the traffic and fill the void. Where there is demand, there is supply.

Anyone have any more information as to why this happened? Is it anything to do with the developement of Exeem? I can't see it being as simple as the MPAA taking legal action, as AFAIK they have little influence in Slovenia where it is hosted, and they have whethered alot of copyright group's actions fine until now....

IRC announces suprnova is dead (2, Informative)

whysanity (231556) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131007)

the irc channel (#suprnova.org) on irc.suprnova.org is announcing that suprnova won't be coming back online

Public Library (1)

dvduval (774940) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131018)

I guess I'll have to get my movies for free at the public library. Hopefully, before long the libraries will start offering downloads.

Word on the Street... (0, Troll)

sH4RD (749216) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131023)

Word on the street is that Apple didn't like them sharing a torrent of the latest Tiger build, but that's just what I've heard...

Re:Word on the Street... (1)

WoBIX (819410) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131110)

Or it could be the fact that the MPAA publicly stated they were going after torrent sites a week or two ago.

Or it could be they shared a game and a publisher went after them.

Or their bandwidth bills all came in and they realized the DDOSs they were being hit with were going to cripple them financially.

Or I could just be spouting off useless rumor with no basis in fact like parent.

Trackers or Indexers? (5, Insightful)

maskedbishounen (772174) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131029)

A big point many people miss -- trackers are what keep the torrents together. Indexers like SuprNova, although highly popular, do nothing but point people where to go.

It's like asking a bartender about the street corners where the girls hang out late at night. If he responsible for how you use the information; ie, if you engage in prostition?

It's a sad, sad day when information is made the scapegoat. If anything, they should be applauded, and kept as a means for getting to the real criminals.

tvtorrents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131032)

Tvtorrents.net is also down.

Mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131033)

Clicky [bi-torrent.com]

Stop Posting Links (5, Insightful)

EvilGoodGuy (811015) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131043)

People, please stop posting links to your favorite torrent site that is still up and kicking. They are already under tremendous pressure right now, and I don't want them to have any more attension brought to them. Those that are interested can find the sites themselves, so please, help save the few that are left and stop posting links.

Oh the Humanity! (2, Funny)

Shafe (72598) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131048)

This is terrible! Where will people get their movies now? Applications? Games? Let's just hope that SuprNova continues to develop the decentralized P2P bittorrent network they were talking about. Beta testing ended a few weeks ago, so perhaps we're getting close to a release candidate.

Re:Oh the Humanity! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131060)

and all is lost! We will all now have ot go back to using gnutella! then the world will and and aliens willt ake over... and stuf. yo!

-JD

You could try paying for it (1)

Ogemaniac (841129) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131120)

But that might be asking too much, right?

BitTorrent's big weakness (5, Insightful)

utexaspunk (527541) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131057)

this is the same sort of thing that happened with the original Napster. Any sort of centralization is going to become an immediate target for MPAA/RIAA legal action. At least with BitTorrent there can be other sources for .torrent files, but so long as they can shut down any large repositories like suprnova.org, finding files will be too cumbersome for all but the most determined users.

DC++ seems to have the same weakness, with the hosts, but as long as host lists are legal, it will remain pretty easy to find new hosts. Gnutella seems pretty safe, but they've managed to pollute the network enough to make it almost unusable.

alas, it is only a matter of time before something comes along that perfects this problem and leaves the MPAA/RIAA with no option but to come up with a new business model. Free music seems to me to be a fine way to advertise a touring artist who is making money off of the shows. Movies may have to resort to product placement, or something.

I postulated this previously... (2, Interesting)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131092)

How's this for a solution to film piracy? 1. Forget chasing 'pirates'. This will save a lot of expensive legal bills. Cut back drastically on advertising too, as you don't need to whip people up into a frenzy to get them to theatres in the first week. 2. Make film (Citizen Kane 2: starring Adam Sandler or something). 3. Make a VCD cut and make unlabelled cheapo vcd's. Using the economies of scale, sell these so cheap that the guys selling pirate vcd will buy from you rather than burn their own copies. Your margin is the difference between a bulk pressed cd and a small scale burned copy. 4. Simultaneously sell the film as a download for the same price as you get for the vcd. ...wait a few weeks 5. Make a nicer, longer dvd cut of the film and, again, sell these so cheap that the guys selling pirate dvd will buy from you rather than burn their own copies. 6. Sell the dvd cut of the film online at the same price as the DVD wholesale price. .... wait some more 7. Theatre release of film in lovely THX/35mm 8. Boxed set dvd release with extra everything. By doing this you make money from the guys currently selling 'pirated copies' of films and money from people who can't be bothered to find a torrent of your film. The money saved on lawyers and advertising would probably pay for setting up the servers. At stage 3 you are the sole supplier of vcd of your film, it is uneconomic to burn copies so you own the market. People may share your film over the internet but the hassle of finding a torrent and/or running P2P software is competing against the paid download (4) which is priced as low as a blank cdr. This is simple economics. Cut back on expensive things like lawyers and advertising, then put out bargain bin priced product to soak up the sales to misers and the poor. You can still make bigger margins on the nicely packaged versions to people who want to buy them.

Closing in advance of raids (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131059)

Several bittorrent sites that I use have gone dead. The ones I miss the most are torrentbits and delirium vault.

People have said that these sites are closing voluntarily before they get raided. The site owners seem to have solid information about the raids. I doubt they'd close down without it.

The best community sites kept track of ratios to encourage people to upload. Suprnova didn't, but torrentbits did. Unfortunately, that means that the sites maintained databases of everything users downloaded.

Without those databases, the MPAA would have to join swarms and try to collect as many IPs as possible. With such a database, they could look up everything everyone had downloaded through that site.

So it was a very good thing that the site admins pulled the plug on those sites before the databases could be seized.

It seems likely to me that the old model of the bittorrent community site, which depended on such databases, is dead.

Perhaps some old cypherpunks could come up with a better way to incentivize users to share and participate in the community, without leaving data behind in a database. Maybe something with blind signatures, similar to a digital cash protocol.

But the old model is probably dead.

Re:Closing in advance of raids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131106)

Solution?
Freenet

Good Old DCC! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131064)

As we wish to maintain the nice comunity that we created, we are keppig forums and irc servers [irc.suprnova.org] open.

In Other Words: You know where you have to get your stuffs

Spineless Jellyfish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131065)

I don't understand this whole
"we're not doing anything illegal,
yet we are caving in and admitting defeat anyway"
attitude. You're not even IN THE UNITED
STATES! Who gives a f**k about the MPAA?

All this cause 4 guys wanted to quit. They couldn't find 4 guys in the netherlands with the BALLS to keep this going? After the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of dollars in Paypal donations they received?

That said, I had 150 GIGABYTES of unused downloads
(based on 250 GB of uploads) at TorrentBits, ALL DOWN THE SH**TER.

F**K you very much, TorrentBits!

Fkri5t psot (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131070)

IsoHunt (1)

idolcrash (836925) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131072)

IsoHunt also appears down. I wonder how many smaller, ultra-private servers are going to go up now (especially thanks to the features of the client .....CLIENT DROPPED

scammers (1)

davideo_ID (772303) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131078)

On a brighter note, .com and .net are still online. Now if i only fill out this registration, and uh.. here it says i should send 'm some money... and ehhh, well don't worry i'll be downloading these free search tools in no time!

Alternatives? Compile below (1, Redundant)

carlcmc (322350) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131082)

Any good alternatives please post in reply

my only suggestion are

http://www.isohunt.com/

http://trackerwww.prq.to/frame.html - which always seems to be slow

http://www.torrentbox.com/torrents-search.php

Evolution of Torrent Sites (2, Interesting)

Omega037 (712939) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131090)

Having been a proud user of Bit Torrent for a few years now, I have witnessed the rise and fall of many torrent sites on the web. I remember a time when bytemonsoon was the major site with a large list of torrents, and suprnova was just a crappy site with an ok collection of torrents. At the time there were many torrent sites out there, some large with random files, others very specific to a certain type of file or even just a certain series. Inevitably though, bytemonsoon fell, leaving suprnova to rise from its ashes. With the fall of these major sites, I expect there to be a major increase in the usage of other, smaller sites, until finally one or two of these sites rise up to become the new leaders. Just as bytemonsoon was replaced with suprnova, and anime.mircx was replaced with downloadanime, boxtorrents, Project MAO, and Tokyo Toshokan, suprnova will be replaced as well. Hopefully, these new sites will be better than the last ones, but for now we must settle for what's around. Besides, there is always DC++, eMule, and IRC if you really can't find a new tracker you like :)

Can't say I'm sad (4, Interesting)

Craig Ringer (302899) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131099)

These sites really had it coming, frankly. While I'm concerned about corporate power, and less than thrilled with the modern media, they weren't trying to do anything about that - they were just plain illegal. Not in a recent way, either - they were ignoring the same copyright laws that protect the software I write, and the GPL so many here are so fond of.

I'd find it far easier to understand a site that restricted its self to things not otherwise availible than sites like these that appear to have no problem with full scale piracy. Yes, I realise that would still be illegal - but IMO rather less offensive.

I used to be a bit more sympathetic to this stuff, but I know too many people who view it as their RIGHT to access other people's work for free, without their permission. I guess its just another version of the "information wants to be free" zealotry (Free Software bigots who don't actually understand free software and usually hypocrites. The few, very loud ones that give the whole community a bad name to some.).

AC posts will be ignored.

Now - -1 flamebait me. You know you want to.

Settlement? (5, Interesting)

moofdaddy (570503) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131100)

I find it hard to believe that they would not have issued warnings or other things of that nature if the issue was that bandwidth and all of that was becoming too expensive. Suprnova was incredibly popular with teh torrent community and they had to know that people would come to their aid.

I think it is possible that Suprnova and a number of these other sites reached an agreement with the MPAA or whoever was threating to sue them that they just disappear quiety into the night and they can save them self from a lawsuit.

It strikes me as odd that they would not heve mentioned it, but I can easily see the reason for this. If your the MPAA you have two options, either make an example of these sites so people are too scared to fuck with them, or just make them go bye bye. I think the first won't discourage enough people, because the law is on suprnova's side, so a number of people would rise up just to defy the MPAA and take up the cause. However, if the MPAA were to tell suprnova that in order to avoid a lawsuit they need to tell people that the site was just too much work, it prevents them from being martyrs and other people won't be so quick to jump in and fill the vacum left.

FAQ (4, Funny)

optize (248582) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131108)

http://www.silentdragz.net/suprfaq/

What a relief (5, Funny)

BenSpinSpace (683543) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131111)

Man, I'm so unbelievably relieved that you guys are listing off virtually every torrent site in existence. Since obviously nobody at the MPAA would ever think to read Slashdot, it's totally obvious that you should post more torrent sites, including a mirror of one site that was apparently just forced to shut down. No need to be covert here!!

suprnova :( (1)

paranoidforlife (841739) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131113)

I am greatly saddened by this incident. Suprnova.org was my life. it helped me through hard times. i will never forget it. there are a few sites i found that may take its place. but in my heart, suprnova was the best :-( *crawls into bed and weeps*

Freenet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11131114)

Freenet [freenetproject.org] 's performance has been improving lately after several months of not working very well. In combination with Frost [sf.net] , perhaps now people will seriously start to migrate to this anonymous architecture.

I use google anywayz (5, Interesting)

polyp2000 (444682) | more than 9 years ago | (#11131122)

eg:

the ultimate torrent search [google.co.uk] ...

are they going shut down google now ?

nick...
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