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Why Does Windows Still Suck?

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the quality-assurance dept.

Windows 1995

RatBastard writes "SF Gate's Mark Morford asks: Why Does Windows Still Suck? After wtaching his significant other's Windows PC drown in a sea of viruses and worms after only 4 minutes on her new DSL connection, Mark Morford wonders why the masses have not stormed Redmond waving torches and scythes in anger over the never-ending security flaws in Windows. Why haven't they jetisoned the foul beast from Redmond and migrated en mass to the Macintosh or even Linux?"

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Why? (5, Informative)

JNighthawk (769575) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576361)

I'm a gamer.

Re:Why? (0)

Spitfire75 (800119) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576490)

But if the masses started using other OS's, ports would be made quicker, or possibly included with the Windows release.

Re:Why? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576497)

Sorry for the typo there--I meant to say "lamer."

Common sense, for the love of Pete... (5, Funny)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576362)

Why would you let your SO attach an unpatched and unprotected PC to the Internet? Would the author let her walk SF's Tenderloin after dark in a halter, leather mini & fishnets?

Re:Common sense, for the love of Pete... (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576405)

Haven't you ever heard the mantra: "treat 'em mean and keep 'em keen"? ;)

Re:Common sense, for the love of Pete... (1)

sosuke (789685) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576425)

thank, you, i completely agree with the parent, he is just trolling at this point, if he was that savy he would have know to protect his SO

Re:Common sense, for the love of Pete... (5, Funny)

Bongoots (795869) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576438)

If an unpatched and unprotected PC connected to the Internet turns you on as much as a chick walking down SF's Tenderloin after dark in a halter, leather mini & fishnets, I'd be concerned as well.

Re:Common sense, for the love of Pete... (5, Insightful)

Aardpig (622459) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576444)

Why would you let your SO attach an unpatched and unprotected PC to the Internet?

To download security patches from Microsoft? There is a real chicken and egg situation here; you need to go online to patch your machine, but as soon as you are online you are hit by worms.

Re:Common sense, for the love of Pete... (3, Informative)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576494)

unplug ethernet > boot up > enable windows firewall > plug in ethernet > windows update > reboot

Re:Common sense, for the love of Pete... (2, Informative)

Sophrosyne (630428) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576446)

It's all a Tell tale sign of an impending divorce...

Simple (5, Insightful)

temojen (678985) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576363)

They don't know of anything else, and Windows came with the computer.

Also... (5, Insightful)

daveo0331 (469843) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576492)

The worms and viruses are designed to be hard to detect. People have infected machines that they don't know are infected. Out of sight, out of mind.

Re:Simple (5, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576501)

More than that: Often, they don't know there is anything else.

This might come as a surprise to the /. community, but many users don't understand the concept of an "operating system". Many users don't know the difference between Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office. Many users don't even understand that things go on "behind the scenes", and so they think that the difference between Linux, Windows, and OSX are just GUI changes and different programs.

Why does your usage of the PC suck? (2, Insightful)

PepeGSay (847429) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576364)

Since you left it so obviously vulnerable if it was truly that messed up in 4 minutes.

Re:Why does your usage of the PC suck? (3, Insightful)

burbankmarc (838977) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576449)

What kind of excuse is that? Do you have to patch your brakes, or update your steering defintions on your car just to make it safe to use?

Parent is a Troll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576365)

Yep.

Simple answer. (1, Troll)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576366)

Because Windows is the worst operating system, except for all the others.

Why Does Windows Still Suck? (4, Funny)

Bongoots (795869) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576368)

Because it's still Windows.

WHY (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576369)

Why Does Linux Still Suck?

Cool! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576370)

I haven't had enough Microsoft bashing today, I was starting to get a bit punchy!

Maybe He Just Married a Moron (-1, Troll)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576372)

Maybe if his S.O. was a little more competent, Windows wouldn't suck so much. A better question might have been "why did I marry such an imbecile?"

I've been running an XP Pro box for over a year and a half now sans any A/V or patches with the ICF on, and it's clean as a whistle. Don't be a moron, and your computer will suck less. Pretty simple.

Re:Maybe He Just Married a Moron (4, Insightful)

temojen (678985) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576437)

Without Antivirus, how do you know it's "clean as a whistle"? It's kind of a schrodinger's cat scenario; you haven't looked.

Re:Maybe He Just Married a Moron (0)

computerme (655703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576487)

then most people out there are morons by that logic...

oh wait. Nov 2nd. 51% of vote...

AHHHHH>...... You are correct...

Re:Maybe He Just Married a Moron (0, Flamebait)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576471)

Waa waa. I pointed out that Windows is just fine unless you're clueless and I'm a troll. Boo hoo.

His copy of Windows doesn't suck anymore than the idiot that's using it. If his SO knew what he/she was doing it wouldn't have been a problem, and they'd break anything else just as badly if they didn't bother to take any time to figure out what they were doing.

Cars don't suck because they crash when people drive drunk, the drivers do. Windows doesn't suck when idiots connect it to a high speed network unprotected, the moron using it does.

Get over it.

Re:Maybe He Just Married a Moron (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576486)

It's rather amusing (in a sad pathetic way), but our corporate network (behind the firewall!) is crawling with worms. Any unpatched machine we bring up on the network is quickly infested with viruses, etc. Me? I ran without a virus scanner for a year (CA's eTrust Virus Scanner caused me and others so many problems that we disabled it - corporate policy has just changed and now we're running NAV). I didn't have ICF enabled. I just kept my machine patched. It stayed clean.

Re:Maybe He Just Married a Moron (1)

j0217995 (597878) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576495)

I've been running my Windows 2000 box at home since it came out, no virus, no spamware, no garbage and it runs great. Last time I checked uptime was 3 months and 12 days.

Because... (1)

Sean the Impaler (799604) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576374)

...pobody's nerfect

Why does Slashdot still suck? (-1, Offtopic)

vena (318873) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576375)

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The requested URL (articles/05/02/04/1947224.shtml?tid=201&tid=166) was not found


oh the irony!

sorry, mod me down :)

Come on... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576499)

that was kinda funny

No problem with Windows (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576376)

It's not a problem with Windows! The operating system is okay! It's digitally signed!

Wow...umm... (0, Troll)

Marthisdil (606679) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576377)

Someone would be stupid enough not to install their anti-virus protection and anti=spyware protection on a computer before connecting it to the net?

Stupidity reaps it's own kind of reward in this case.

why? (3, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576378)


Why? Because Microsoft focuses its resources on market share rather than making a robust and stable system. Once consumers are locked in they tend to stick with what they know and buy the upgrades. It's that inertia that MS banks on when they release repackaged corn-laden turd and call it "Windows NextGen-2010+++ with Lemon Scent" Seriously: what real ideas have they come up with in the past many years? Everything they make is a bit shinier and fatter than the previous versions but where is the innovation?

Easy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576379)

Because CyberSpace is a vacuum, duh!

Damn. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576382)

Bitch moan. Whine.

Everyone complains complains complains around here. Stop complaining and DO SOMETHING.

It makes sense... (1)

snoyberg (787126) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576383)

For most people, it's simply not worth the effort. It's significantly easier to work around the problems of Windows than to unite to try and get something fixed.

Becuase (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576385)

People just assume there computer is running like a dog becuase "it's a stupid computer"...they don't know how it SHOULD work, and they don't know there's an alternative.

NEWSFLASH! (2, Insightful)

mattkime (8466) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576387)

People don't like to admit that they're wrong.

NEWSFLASH! #2

People don't like to change.

NEWSFLASH! #3

People follow the majority.

Re:NEWSFLASH! (3, Funny)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576460)


NEWSFLASH # 4
Profit?

Why does Linux still suck? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576389)

Bad UIs, poor hardware support, poorly written software.
Who cares if it's secure, it's useless.

Just Patch It. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576390)

Because we just patch our systems and don't bitch about it.

Simple.. (1, Interesting)

Uhh_Duh (125375) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576392)

The consumer mass-market doesn't view viruses and worms as the fault of the operating system. Rather, they blame the guys who write the bad stuff -- not the guys who make it possible.

Same reason the people who hate drunk driving aren't going after auto-manufacturers. Instead, they go after the idiots doing the drunk driving.

I'm not defending either position. Simple stating what I believe is the perception of the public.

Re:Simple.. (1)

magefile (776388) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576489)

You make a good point, but a bad analogy. There's not much car mf'grs can do to prevent drunk driving with the exception of breathalyzer-interlocks, which are already in use as punishment for DUI/DWIs in some places. And consumers would not accept such a system.

article flamebait -1 (2, Insightful)

bdigit (132070) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576393)

Here we go lets start another flamewar. Need to get in our weekly windows/ms bashing. Did we have our distro war yet this week? How bout our ipod killer article?

http://www.immigrantornot.com/ [immigrantornot.com]

This is a first (1)

GrievousAngel (220826) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576394)

A Mark Morford piece I actually agree with. Well, if this can happen, anything can. Maybe Bill Gates will fix Windows.

yeah because (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576395)

there have never been any mac viruses ever

Hmmm.... (1)

Avyakata (825132) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576396)

Either people aren't aware of other options (and more aren't than you'd imagine) they don't want to make a change from something they've become so accustomed to, or they're just afraid... Don't fear the penguin!

Innovation (1)

peterprior (319967) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576398)

Microsoft don't innovate, they imitate.

There hasn't really been anything "new" since windows 95.

With the advent of DRM, things are getting less fluid and more restrictive, and as they lock the user down more and more, it's only going to get worse :/

Just MHO.

Because (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576399)

Because...
1) They're stupid
2) They don't care
3) They don't know any better
4) They're stupid
5) They're afraid of computers
6) They're afraid of change
7) Marketing and brainwashing
8) They're stupid

There are a variety of reasons. Some people have one reason, some people have another. The problem is that just about all of these people have a reason. And most often this reason is that they are dumb as a brick.

Your point is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576469)

Everybody who doesn't use your precious lunix must be stupid.

Well, I'm glad you didn't think that everybody who doesn't use your precious lunix must be INSANE!

God, you are a fucking brainwashed fruitcake. I bet you masturbate to the images of RMS and seriously believe that any other license than GPL is evil.

It's the way people are (2, Insightful)

chris09876 (643289) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576400)

People have always had the impression that computers aren't "reliable and stable". Having this ingrained in them means they accept things like Windows crashes. AS for Linux, it's not seen as user friendly as Windows. Some people have the false impression that it's more difficult to install (well, compiling gentoo is more difficult than installing Windows, but installing RedHat definitely isn't). ...and the most obvious reason (that people don't switch to linux/mac) is because everyone else is on Windows! It's what people use at work, and it's what they're most comfortable with.

easy (5, Insightful)

briancnorton (586947) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576401)

They don't care
Sounds like too easy of an answer, but for non-tech savvy people, a computer is just a tool for email, web, etc. If computers were a vital part of people's lives, they might care. Corporations can pay administrators to keep their computers clean, but joe twelvepack doesn't use his computer for anything that he can't do without. QED.

A more interesting topic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576402)

Why do idiots write articles?

Wanna know why? (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576403)

It's completely programming in Visual Basic.

Re:Wanna know why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576422)

So is your grammar, apparently.

olololol

Re:Wanna know why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576442)

This isn't even a valid sentence, nor are claims within.

Simple Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576404)

Linsux and OS suX suck even more.

Cute? (1)

Queen_of_Tetris (847460) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576407)

Bill Gates has a 'cute little geeky head'?

Why does Linux still suck? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576408)

How come on a fresh install I cannot get wi-fi support? Where is the built in Win32 support? How come app installs don't put shortcuts in the "Start" menu? How can you ever expect John Doe's grandmother to use Linux?

Why? Because they have been taught. (4, Insightful)

arkham6 (24514) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576411)

People have been taught that computers are inherently unstable, will often crash, are very complex machines that are basicly a house of cards. They have been fed the line that 'security is too hard!' so much they believe it.

Um, because its not that bad (2, Insightful)

booyah (28487) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576413)

You build a car, that the purchasers expect to be compatible with every part, seat, and accessory since the begining of the automobile industry and see hwo it goes.

Really Microsoft did write themselves in to a corner by supporting so much legacy code so well, and in such a complicated project, that if any little thing isnt right they get bashed for it.

Mind you I am writing this from mozilla while admining Unix boxes, but really for what they attempted Windows ISNT that bad

Moderators -1 NOT Windows Bashing

Morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576414)

Perhaps if the users weren't complete idiots, they wouldn't be getting said malicious software installed on their computers. Christ, I run two locations using Windows with high speed connections, and anyone with even a base level knowledge of how to protect themselves will not get hit.

The problem isn't the OS, it's educating people how to properly USE it.

Why I use... (1)

October_30th (531777) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576415)

Windows at home: games.
Linux at home: media server.
Mac at work: X for using Matlab remotely on more serious *nix hardware while being able to run MS Office (I've never had any problems with MS Office for Mac). I like the GUI too.

People don't know any bettter (1)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576416)

I know all of people who just don't know that there is an alternative to Windows. Sure they have heard of Apple, but for some reason they don't see as a real alternative because they just don't see does computers in their daily lifes. At School they see Windows, at school they See Windows, at the near by Walmart or Best Buy they see Windows. So alternatives are not easily had.

Re:People don't know any bettter (1)

djtripp (468558) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576500)

You pretty summed up exactly what I was going to say. Including Wal-Mart. People just don't know any better. If you look at the selection of crap they have, they don't even know what level of crap they are looking at. And they probably have no idea what they are getting into.

-1, Flamebait (1)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576417)

Somebody show this writer what he's missing. You can't consider what you don't know exists.

Other than that, this article serves no purpose, and I'm going to stay clear of this one.

Mr Obvious answers your questions! (1)

14erCleaner (745600) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576418)

1. Windows still sucks because, despite its suckitude, MS still makes billions of dollars in profit off it every year.

2. People haven't migrated away because it's too hard.

You're welcome!

It does what counts right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576423)

Ease of use.

It's the monopoly stupid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576424)

Tell me how many people even know there are different operating systems.
To most people windows is just something that comes with their computer and thats that.
They can't very well get something they know nothing about.

Uh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576426)

I don't really think this is a matter of Windows sucking or not. This is just really beating a dead horse; if Linux was the dominating desktop OS, there would likely be just as many malicious things for Linux as there are for Windows now. Besides, any competent user of Windows can steer clear of malware quite easily; usually the only ones that get worms, etc. are mouth-breating mongoloids.

Simple (1)

AceyMan (199978) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576427)

People at large don't know it is Microsoft's fault.

Granny: Those nasty crackers are ruining my online experience. Maybe if I buy the latest Windows, it will go away.

They just don't know that it's largely the fault of Microsoft for releasing poorly secured code. And even if they did, I somehow doubt they would be quick to grasp that there can be such a thing as well secured code.

Like most of the battles in IT, it's an educational matter.

1 word... (1)

maxdamage (615250) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576428)

compatibility

Seems dubious (4, Interesting)

conJunk (779958) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576431)

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mac fanboy myself, and I agree 100% with most of the author's conetentions, but, some of his evidence is a bit whack:

He links to the Crack a Mac [tidbits.com] challenge, as evidence that macs are bulletproof. Fine, but read their story- most of the attempts to crack *that* mac were based on old UNIX and NT attacks, and well, duh! HOWEVER- nobody (hardly) uses macs for webserves. If we had been doing that for the past 15 years, well, perhaps there'd be heaps of *known* exploits. The Crack a Mac story doesn't prove that there aren't exploits, it proves that not many folks know what they are.

SBC Yahoo! Doesn't Help... (3, Insightful)

jpmoney (323533) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576435)

Apparently the connection is through SBC Yahoo! DSL.

I recently got DSL through my phone provider (SBC) and am torn on if I like it or not. The CD they send with it has spyware, its own browser, and all sorts of nasty things that WILL bring your system to a crawl easily. Sure Windows doesn't do very well, but a provider's CD like SBC Yahoo's does not help at all.

Hooking it into my Linux box with rp-pppoe was nice though - and the speed is impressive.

You insensitive clod... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576439)

I don't have a scythe! Or a torch for that matter! :-)

Because they're afraid (3, Interesting)

RootsLINUX (854452) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576441)

I was afraid too, even though I had used Linux on the campus PCs. I used to have the same problem (immediate infection/total system compromise within hours after hooking up to the net). It was so bad that after re-formatting and installing the online anti-virus software my university provided me, it was already too late. I fearcely battle virsuse for nearly two weeks, then I finally gave up and installed Linux. Now I thank those viruses, and Windows/M$ for failing to do anything to prevent them from entering my system. Had that not have happened, then it's likely I would still be trapped in Windows.

because if it was perfect.... (1)

Cheeze (12756) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576443)

...there'd be no reason to upgrade.

Microsoft is a business. If they wanted to go out of business, they'd just program a perfect piece of software. If it was really perfect, there'd be no one buying support, additional licensing, and upgrades.

and no, i didn't read the article.

It doesn't suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576445)

I run 2003 behind a firewall. I backup and patch regularly. Run anti-virus and adaware. I use opera for primary surfing. Windows runs fine. Plays my games and all the productity apps. 2003 is very reliable. I hibernate it for weeks at a time with no need for a reboot. People use it because it doesn't suck.

From the article: (1)

NEOtaku17 (679902) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576447)

"By the way, yes, I own a tiny handful of Apple stock."

I'm glad to see he's not in this for personal gain... But on a more serious note there are plenty of reasons not to switch to Mac: PC games being one of the biggest reasons I can think of.

Baaaaah, baaaah (1, Insightful)

Neil Watson (60859) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576450)

People are sheep. Big marketing tells them to buy product X because there is none better. Most people will simply do that without ever thinking that there might actually be something better.

Well, that figures (2, Funny)

csimpkin (808625) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576452)

The McAfee site claims a whopping 91 percent of PCs are infected.

What is Microsoft's market share in the PC market again?

MS has been blamed only recently by mainstream (1)

flanksteak (69032) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576453)

Why haven't they taken arms up against Redmond? One reason is because most people don't know there are alternatives (how many average lusers can even properly identify the version of Windows they're using?), and the mainstream press has only recently begun to specifically mention Windows as the main culprit.

The non-tech press always talks about spyware and viruses as if they're inherent to the Internet, as opposed to its most common brand of client. Look up a lot of the old stories about the big viruses that struck back a few years ago (when new worms were big enough news to warrant international press attention) and so rarely does the word 'Windows' ever get mentioned. I never could figure that out. Some people blamed MS PR for handling that but I don't think they're that good. My guess is because the average reporter couldn't grok the specific reasons why the worms were spreading. Of course, anyone who asked MS directly probably got the spun answer that blamed the evil hackers. Then they didn't think (or didn't have the technical ability) to probe deeper into the problems.

Alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576454)

My letter weight hasn't gotten a virus since I bought it fifteen years ago, but that doesn't mean I want to use it as a PC.

What is the alternative? All of the software and hardware I want for my laptop and desktop runs on Windows the best. Nobody writes drivers or software for Linux or the Mac because there's no money in it.

usa a freiwall hw or sw (1)

Dtyst (790737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576457)

never connect an unpatched windows computer to internet without patching it first or installing a firewall, if u update it with windowsupdate a firewall is a must... I'm surprised it last 4 minutes I've seen computer getting infected in seconds..

WHY DOES EVERYTHING SUCK EXCEPT BSD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576458)

I dunno.

I Have (1)

Ed Almos (584864) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576459)

"Why haven't they jetisoned the foul beast from Redmond and migrated en mass to the Macintosh or even Linux?"

I have. This post was typed on a Powerbook, my server runs Fedora 3 and my wife has a machine for her use that is loaded with SUSE. We migrated all the computers away from MS Windows when XP came out and I haven't used a Windows system for months (the last time was at an Internet cafe on vacation).

Ed Almos
Budapest, Hungary

Well, let's reiterate the obvious (4, Insightful)

ewanrg (446949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576461)

First, people put up with this because that's what came on their machine, and so it "must" be what's best for that box.

Second, the average user could no more tell you the difference from an OS and an application than from a Trojan versus a Virus.

Finally, the average user isn't all that clued that there are any other options out there, and there are few if any application or game ads on TV that say "Runs on Mac" or "Runs on Linux" to make them even look.

---

More rants like this on my blog [blogspot.com]

Immune (1)

HawksNest (842902) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576463)

"For the most part and for all intents and purposes, Macs are immune. Period." They are not immune. If you want a virus to have a big shock, you put it on a system that has the greatest userbase. (and yes i own a mac)

Spoiler (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576464)

He makes a few good points, but in the end it just turns into a "Macs are better than PCs" rant

"...the Mac OS architecture is much more robust, much more solid, much more difficult to hack into. "
Yeah, and you can do so many more things with a Mac than a PC...

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576470)

Because how ever bad windows Sucks, Linux sucks more, and Mac is do damn expensive.

Tyler Reddun

Because Mac and Linux also suck (2, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576473)

At least as we seem to be defining suck here, which is that it has features that are annoying or suboptimal. There is no perfect OS, no system without flaws. You'll get the zealots from any camp taht will insist their OS is the One True Way(tm), but they are only kidding themselves. Peopel newly switched to a new platform also often extol the virtues since some bug that annoyed them is now gone, and they've yet to deal the ones on the platform they now use enough to get annoyed.

I'm not trying to start an argument as to which platform is superior, that's a total non-starter, just pointing out that no platform can claim perfection. Linux has a lot that's wrong with it, along with a lot that's done right (or at the very least done better than others do it). So switching to Linux from Windows isn't a switch from a horrible experience to a eprfect one, it's a switch from one set of problems and virtues to a different one.

Many people consider it a good switch, espically here, but I think some people view their chosen OS with bit too rosy a view. They ALL have problems, they ALL have things others do better. Thus, it's not real supprise that many people simply stick with what they have.

Many don't know any better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576478)

Possibly because the average person doesn't even know when their computer is infected, and some of those that do know don't care. It's amazing what some people put up with, thinking that's just the way computers are.

Probably because most people have a firewall (1)

johnatjohnytech (632978) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576479)

Probably because most people have a firewall.

I've tried this. I have never had a machine "go down" in 4 minutes. I gave up after 30 minutes. Nothing.

Most users have a firewall or some sort of cheap wireless/router/combo unit from bestbuy/compusa/etc.

Nothing to see here but another bogus inflamatory article.. yay slashdot. /sarc On
Stories like this make my $5 subscription really worth it. /sarc Off

Why nobody bothers? (1)

Man in Spandex (775950) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576481)

People are lazy. It's just that simple. It may sound offensif but this is the truth. I hear a lot of "dammit why is my system so slow" (or other negative comments) made on windows but nobody bothers to look for alternatives. It's there and they will stick with it. Of course, a good bunch of us got sick of it and therefor we look for better alternatives.

Yeah - you will get infected in 4 min... (1)

Uptown Joe (819388) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576482)

If you surf straight to a p0rn site...

Course.. ytou need to *connect to get anti virus* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576483)

Remember folks.. if you want to get your XP box all patched up, or get Mcaffee or the lim,e.. you need to get online to get it.

I imagine a lot of boxes get violated before the finish downloading patches!

jeff

Besides, joe newbie takes a new computer home. Why *shouldn't* he connect to the net and send an email to his buddies right away?

Applications (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576484)

Applications...

I'll dump Windows in a heart beat if Adobe and Macromedia release Linux ports. But I have to have Photoshop to do my job.

Many of us have absoultely no choice.

Easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11576485)

Windows == tons of software, cheap hardware.

Mac == good amount of software, but expensive to switch. Yeah yeah, mac mini. They'd still have to buy all their software over again.

Linux == tons of half finished software and not user friendly.

Sure, it's easy to install Linux now... pop in a CD and go. But once you start using the system, installing things can be a bitch.

I'm a Windows user at work and don't enjoy it, but for what I do Windows is required. Wish it wasn't. At home I've got a powerbook and a Linux server. I wouldn't recommend Linux for the average user yet. I'd definitely recommend a Mac, if you've got the cash.

Is It Not Obvious? (1)

the0ther (720331) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576491)

Users are losers. It's that simple people.

c'mon - no one has to say the obvious... (1)

oldwarrior (463580) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576496)

apart from the opinions propeller-heads and artsy-fartsy types - Linux sux worse and Macs are, well, nice but are Macs. When that changes, MS windows will have to improve in kind. Giving away shaky hard-to-use software does not guarantee a market. Though it does tend to inhibit the interest of security threats since there is not enough return value in compromising those systems. Unix (tm) had lots and lots (and lots) of security flaws. Some of them are still in the parts licensed by M$FT. It stands to reason many are still in the clones in some manefestation and many others were probably introduced in the translation. New Features = New Bugs works for all OS's.

Reluctance to change (5, Interesting)

revscat (35618) | more than 9 years ago | (#11576498)

I know that Mac people frequently get labeled with the "zealot" label, but there is something that I have noticed about friends and family who are Windows users: for whatever reasons they are reluctant if not opposed to change, even in the face of all available evidence. It's nothing explicit, but mention OS X or Linux to them and they immediately go on the defensive, as if you are quetioning them and their decision making abilities ("Well, Windows can do that, too."), instead of seeing what you are attempting to do, which is point out some rather important problems with Windows as an OS.

Perhaps this is just human nature. But as a "switcher" who is approaching his one year anniversary with a PowerMac after almost 20 years of Windows and DOS (starting with DOS 2.0!) I can honestly say: Windows users, it's not your fault. Microsoft should be ashamed, not you. Windows sucks, and there are better choices out there for you. Make them! You'll be happy that you did.

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