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Inside Windows XP Reduced Media Edition

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the don't-hold-your-breath dept.

Windows 605

An anonymous reader writes "Flexbeta.net has got it's take on Windows XP Reduced Media Edition, which is basically Windows XP Pro stripped of its Windows Media Player. To sum it up, there is hardly any noticable difference between XP RME and XP Pro, except for the welcome screen and Windows not recognizing their own file format. The article hints how this may be the beggining to a Windows OS without any Microsoft applications. Bye-bye Internet Explorer?"

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A new day (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659740)

I claim this thread in the name of With Frosted! Steamed limes are the future!

Re:A new day (1)

Lag Master (569259) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659756)

HARRR

Furrst Pohst (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659746)

Yay.
-
SK

Leave it to microsoft... (1)

spawnofbill (757153) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659749)

...To do a half-assed job on a product that they were forced to make, don't expect anything revolutionary people.

Fixed it for you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659815)

Leave it to microsoft... ...To do a half-assed job on a product.

Re:Fixed it for you (1)

spawnofbill (757153) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659844)

Well that's just self-evident.

Re:Fixed it for you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659981)

Leave it to microsoft... ...To do a half-assed job.

Next on /.: Inside Big Mac Without Cheese (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659750)

An anonymous reader writes "Fastfoodbeta.net has got it's take on the Big Mac Without Cheese, which is basically a Big Mac stripped of its cheese. To sum it up, there is hardly any noticable difference between BM w/o C and BM, except for the wrapper and Mcdonalds not recognizing their own ingredient. The article hints how this may be the beggining to a Big Mac without any McDonalds condiments. Bye-bye Secret Sauce?"

Call me when there's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659755)

Windows XP Reduced Internet Edition

Re:Call me when there's (4, Interesting)

theWrkncacnter (562232) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659768)

How about call me when there's Reduced DRM Edition.

Pick up your phone (1)

robogun (466062) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659795)

That's exactly what this is!

Re:Call me when there's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659803)

Haha, and Windows Reduced Spyware and Virus Edition. bundled with their new Anti Spyware and virus scanner they bought.

What DRM? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659804)

Other than Windows product activation, the only digital restrictions management that I know of in consumer-level Windows is the Windows Media DRM layer. With WiMP gone, that's gone too.

Re:What DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659918)

In all fairness, though, their product activation is quite a nuisance.

At work, we have a couple general purpose boxes that tend to get taken apart and re-assembled on a week-to-week basis. They're both running WinXP Pro - both using retail licenses. Every time we make a major hardware change, which is quite common, I have to call up and fight with a Microsoft representative over getting the key to work, because, according to them, it's been used too many times.

What's truly stupid is that, had this been a warezed copy of XP, it wouldn't be any hassle at all.

Re:Call me when there's (3, Funny)

06metzp (713177) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659823)

I can't wait for that one to come out! The rumour is that it'll be released with Longhorn and Duke Nukem Forever. I pre-ordered all three last week because some nice man (of some importance, I believe) from Nigeria emailed me last week with the exclusive offer!

Re:Call me when there's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659814)

Call me when there is kernel and operating system reduced version. May be I just want to buy the packaging box and have Mac OS inside.

Page 1 - The Whole Ensalada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659759)

Page 1 - The Whole Ensalada

I stopped reading right there.

What a bunch of losers! Or for you serious Slashdotters, you may be more familiar with "loosers".

Yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659810)

Even Taco Bell is selling an Enchilada these days.

Personally... (1)

WizardRahl (840191) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659765)

Personally I like XP Professional SP2 cracked version that you can get and install for free.

Yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659772)

The Windows XP Reduced Cost Edition.

Re:Personally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659779)

Until you have to authorize your 'Genuine' Windows to get new updates, but these will probably be cracked themselves.

omg ! (2, Funny)

3cpo (856823) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659770)

oh my god ! they will soon throw out my well beloved WordPad !!

I'm sure consumers are really relieved. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659771)

After all, they don't want this extra crazy functionality in their OS. Consumers, being CS Masters level to a one, prefer their OS to have zero "applications".

Sorry, sarcasm is the lowest form of humor, I know. And you'll all chime in with facile arguments about how the consumer _real is_ helped because now all these companies can compete.

BLASPHEMY!!!!!! (1)

deutschemonte (764566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659773)

Microsoft would/could never remove or admit to being able to remove IE from the OS. It is as they say "Integral".

It's not like I care anyway because I am too busy trying to switch everyone I know over to Debian.

Re:BLASPHEMY!!!!!! (5, Funny)

briggsb (217215) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659856)

Au contraire, a recent article [bbspot.com] shows that their new antispyware software removes intenet explorer.

Re:BLASPHEMY!!!!!! (1)

programmermatt (763200) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659898)

I knew MS would someday see the truth!

Re:BLASPHEMY!!!!!! (1)

n2dasun (467303) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659963)

That cant be a real article. He came right out and said "Tough Shit". For some deeply philosophical reason, that made me smile.

Wait a minute... (3, Interesting)

Bobvanvliet (569014) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659780)

... I thought Europe still had some objections to the words "reduced media"?

Re:Wait a minute... (2, Interesting)

JPriest (547211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659962)

They do, the are still trying to think of a new name for it.

What is the point?? (4, Insightful)

CarrionBird (589738) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659781)

The only people who are put off my the presence of WiMP in windows, probably aren't likey to be buying windows in any form.

If it were cheaper, than you might have something.

Re:What is the point?? (4, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659853)

The point is not the people put off by WMP. It's the vast majority of people who won't ever get turned on by anything else, because WMP is the default player. Most people never change any computer defaults, let alone switch the default app for media types. Even savvy users have a hard time even figuring out how to switch. Most people get Windows without going through a process of evaluating alterantives, and most of them just use WMP because it "came free with it", and never consider changing. This forced unbundling gives competitors a chance to compete based on whether a user actually likes it.

Re:What is the point?? (2, Insightful)

NaruVonWilkins (844204) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659936)

And none of those people know or care enough to seek out a version of windows specifically without Media Player.

EU giving American companies grief. (0, Troll)

glrotate (300695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659896)

This is about Brussels sticking their thumb in the eye of an American company. Not much different than their subsidization of Airbus.

Windows without it's own apps? (0, Offtopic)

Pwned (799180) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659782)

Wouldn't that be pretty useless? Instead of removing thier own apps shouldn't they just put effort in fixing them?

Re:Windows without it's own apps? (1)

AddressException (187785) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659847)

I think you're missing the point. The un-bundling of these apps is not because they're broken (even though they are), it's that being preinstalled constitutes a monopoly abuse.

Re:Windows without it's own apps? (1)

LnxAddct (679316) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659880)

Or leave it to the computer distributors to bundle their own? Kinda like DELL may include different CD creation stuff then HP, this would just extend it a little further. It's not like Windows is like linux and comes with 3,000 - 10,000 apps, I mean you would need a media player (winamp or itunes), a web browser (firefox or opera) a simple paint program and some games. While they are at it, OpenOffice.org could get thrown in there too.
Regards,
Steve

Amazing stupidity! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659783)

wow, an operating system that doesnt let you play media files. maybe once they make an OS which doesnt have a browser, they can further gut it by forcing MS to ship an OS without networking capabilities, or the ability to run any programs.

Since MS's opponents cannot beat them in the marketplace, they started to shift their fight into legislating Windows into a product consumers won't want.

Re:Amazing stupidity! (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659805)

they can further gut it by forcing MS to ship an OS without networking capabilities, or the ability to run any programs.

Actually, that would probably solve more problems than it caused. ;-)

Re:Amazing stupidity! (3, Funny)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659862)

can you imagine? All the viruses, worms, spam and other nafarious programs would suddenly just vanish!

Wow. It would be like the internet back in the 80's but with better content.

Give them some credit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659845)

Microsoft have had an OS without networking capabilities for years now!.

Re:Amazing stupidity! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659860)

" they started to shift their fight into legislating Windows into a product consumers won't want. "

No, Microsoft already took care of this since the release of Windows95.

Re:Amazing stupidity! (1)

glrotate (300695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659931)

" they started to shift their fight into legislating Windows into a product consumers won't want. "

No, Microsoft already took care of this since the release of Windows95.


Right. MS has sold almost 250 Million copies of XP.

Re:Amazing stupidity! (3, Interesting)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659881)

wow, an operating system that doesnt let you play media files. maybe once they make an OS which doesnt have a browser, they can further gut it by forcing MS to ship an OS without networking capabilities, or the ability to run any programs.

Actually, for business purposes, removing 'frivolous' functionality like Windows Media Player could be really useful. I suppose it's one way of reducing the number of 'hilarious' videos and TV adverts being forwarded by office workers...

Myself, I spent a few hours last week beating WinXP Professional into a less intrusive, non-ugly mode. There are only a few Windows apps I actually need to run on my home PC (namely, games and the Source mapping SDK stuff!) and most of the included Windows applications are junk to me. If this Reduced Media thing had been available when I ordered my stuff, I would have got it... ;-)

Re:Amazing stupidity! (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659921)

Boy, M$ just can't win here at /. (Surprise?). They refuse to disconnect from WMP, Slashdotters go ballistic. They disconnect from WMP, Slashdotters call it crippled.

Re:Amazing stupidity! (1, Insightful)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659929)

You see to be forgetting the reason that MS's opponents cannot beat them in the marketplace, which is that MS broke the law by abusing their monopoly.

Do you think MS should be above the law?

Re:Amazing stupidity! (1)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659946)

This version is not about forbiding people viewing videos.

It's about being able to REMOVE it if you want. You can install WMP again.

Re:Amazing stupidity! (1)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659947)

You can forget about MS dropping the networking code from Windows XP. You need networking in order to connect to the Internet and intranets, and I don't think people want to go through the hassle of downloading, installing and configuring a networking client like users had to do with Trumpet Winsock back in the Windows 3.1x days.

But in reality, dropping Windows Media Player from Windows XP is actually a good thing. That will allow users to download the latest version of Windows Media Player that supports more external multimedia devices.

Added Benefits (0, Troll)

06metzp (713177) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659784)

If they do indeed come up with a version of Windows with no IE embedded in it, does this mean they'll have to come up with a version of Windows Update that's not embedded in IE? Might I be able to finally use my computer in complete peace?

Re:Added Benefits (1)

conteXXt (249905) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659975)

If it comes without ie,oe,wmp,etc.....how often will it still need to be patched?

3 times a year?

Bush's fault (0, Flamebait)

Rollie Hawk (831376) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659791)

If Kerry were in office, the North Koreans would be selling Longhorn by now.

Re:Bush's fault (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659861)

So you mean there is a positive side to Bush's re-election after all?

article (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659793)

Windows XP RME - Where's the beef?
Posted by Team Flexbeta on 12 February 2005 (4063 views) Rating: 5

Page 1 - The Whole Ensalada
What do you get when you strip Windows Media Player from Windows XP? Windows XP Reduced Media Edition. After EU courts ordered Microsoft to remove Windows Media Player from their Windows Operating System, Microsoft fired back by branding the "new" OS with what they believe it now is: a Reduced version of Windows XP. Following the naming of the new OS, the EU filed that Microsoft rename the product. Microsoft is said to have changed the name of the new stripped down OS. A few names which Microsoft may be using could include: Windows XP Shi**tee Edition, Windows XP No Media Player Here Edition, Windows XP The EU Sucks Edition, and Windows XP Buy XP Pro Instead of This Since They Are Both Worth The Same Price Edition.

As was stated here a few days back, there is no huge difference between Windows XP Professional and the Reduced Media Edition. There is no way anyone can look at the mere desktop and deduce that they are using the Reduced Media Edition. Microsoft has bundled Service Pack 2, which includes the Windows Security Center. Again, exploring the control panel, we see the usual suspects including Windows Firewall and a few others. The only indication that a user is using Windows XP RME is during the welcome screen after the OS is installed. The welcome screen clearly reads: "This reduced media version of Windows XP includes standard Windows functionality, with the exception of certain Windows multimedia technologies." Also, peeping into the system properties, the system is labeled, Reduced Media Edition and clearly states that the system is at the Service Pack 2 level.

So what exactly is missing?
Well, for one, users can't play any .WMA files. Windows doesn't recognize its all file format, and prompts the user to use the web to find the appropriate application which will play the file. In addition, since there is no media player of any kind in this version of Windows, you can't play any type of music or video media. This means I couldn't push myself to get some satisfaction (Benny Benassi). After choosing to connect to the Internet to find such a program, the Microsoft website indicated how the user can open this "unknown" file by either using Windows Media Player or Nullsoft Winamp. So I decided to download and install Windows Media Player 10.

And with 12MB, I turned the Reduced Media Player into a fully working Windows XP Professional Edition; and it was good. Well, not exactly. Microsoft was ordered to remove more than just Windows Media Player from the OS; the EU decision required Microsoft to remove a total of 186 files. You can read more on Microsoft's Implementation of European Commission Decision here.

So how does the end user benefit from this decision? In my opinion, they don't. PC makers ultimately rejected the ripped OS and if given the choice between "Windows XP with Media Player" and "Windows XP Without Media Player", it's probably left to how much a user hates Microsoft. In other words, some users complain how they dislike Windows Media Player and others aren't really bothered. The majority of users however enjoy the functionality of Windows Media Player. There is no real benefit from this whole Reduced Media Player fiasco, since it doesn't really change much from the original OS. Or maybe this is the beginning to a Windows OS free of Microsoft applications. What next, a Windows XP Without Internet Explorer?

no one will make use of this.. (2, Insightful)

boeserjavamann (655642) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659794)

..not dell, not compaq... why should anyone sell pcs with a OS where u need to after-install such things as the media player? MS knows that no one will do that.

Re:no one will make use of this.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659969)

because it's European law.... that's why. And no loss either. Means they can't strongarm drm and wma onto people as easily which is a great thing.

Uhhh... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659797)

So, How much does it cost to upgrade from regular WinXP Pro?

it's != its (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659806)

its is possesive: Its colour is blue.

it's is a contraction for it is, a descriptive phrase: It's coming along quite nicly.

Honestly, how do you not catch a mistake like that before approving an article?

Re:it's != its (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659841)

Its too bad you you still have to point out the correct on Slashdot when it's audience considers itself so smart.

Codecs (1)

turbofisk (602472) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659808)

So... I understand removing the Media Player... But why is it that they removed the wma codecs? Or are there no codecs, but built into the program?

Re:Codecs (1)

BlueCodeWarrior (638065) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659914)

...its kind of like a kick in the junk to the consumers, so they'll get upset about it.

Waaa, I can't play WMAs!!! Why'd the government do that to poor Microsoft???

"Reduced Media Edition"? How about "Whine and Bitch Edition"?

Ok this is Bullsh!t (0, Troll)

Xuranova (160813) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659817)

I'm all for "choice" and all that stuff. But to new users who get this OS with a computer and can't play music cause there isn't a player on it this is complete crap. I hope MS puts a giant link on their desktop for "click here to download media player to play music". Stupid media player makers who keep complaining....

Wouldn't this be the first modenrn OS that doesn't let you play music out the box?

Re:Ok this is Bullsh!t (3, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659866)

The point is that OEMs are now free to bundle a media player other than WMP, e.g. WinAMP or iTunes (or Joe's Hardware Store's Shiny Media Player Version 0.45BETA). The only people who will get an OS without a media player are the ones who bought the boxed version, who presumably know enough to install a media player (and if they don't, they really shouldn't be installing an OS).

Re:Ok this is Bullsh!t (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659867)

Linux, is another. Depending on your view of "modenrn",

Re:Ok this is Bullsh!t (1)

mvdlubbe (859057) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659886)

Certainly not. http://ubuntu.com/ [ubuntu.com] was way ahead of them with this.

Re:Ok this is Bullsh!t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659927)

Most branded computers are shipped with third-party applications (such as powerDVD, Easy CD Creator, etc.). So, nothing prevent manufacturers to ship another such application for playing audio and video files.

Nothing impossible nor extraordinary.

Re:Ok this is Bullsh!t (0, Troll)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659940)

Wouldn't this be the first modenrn OS that doesn't let you play music out the box?

No. Linux is also considered to be a modern OS and it often doesn't include MP3 playback out of the box. OGG, yes, MP", no... Licensing issues :-(

What idiocy. (5, Insightful)

JanusFury (452699) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659819)

If you look at the list of files removed from this version, it includes a bunch of DLLs and OCXs that are supposed to come standard with Windows - media playback libraries, etc. What purpose does it serve to remove these files? All you're doing is breaking third-party applications that rely on them! I imagine that if you tested various games and multimedia apps on this version of Windows, they wouldn't work. Now I have another problem to worry about when releasing Windows software... how to deal with machines running this Crippleware edition of Windows.

This is the point. (3, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659903)

Frustrate the courts. Frustrate the people.

What? Idiocy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659960)

WHY are those listed? Because MS REQUIRES you to install Windows Media Player which is the only player for Windows Media Format files.

MA *Could* have kept WMP with either of two options:

1) Drop their prorpiatory codec and just pass on to developers how to add a codec to WMP. Bundle those format codecs that they have licensed

2) Open up the WMF file formats so that others could create players of these formats. Make it completely BSD (they like that license, yes?)

But no, they prefer to be an arse about this.

This will play agains microsoft ... (2, Interesting)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659821)

Many times, when people compares the GNU Operating System against the Windows Operating System, they make a misleading comparation, since they are comparing a FULL OS as GNU (That is, a kernel, basic system software, librarys, Graphic system, video and audio applications, office suits, browser, IM, compilers, editors, games, etc,etc,etc), With just a kernel, a graphic system and shell, basic system software, and the only 2 major apps that came with windows, which are windows media and ie.

Now, with microsoft trying to show that they are not a monopoly, they are striping down their OS, so, installing windows, only installs a kernel, librarys, a graphic shell, and a browser. That's it. While Free Software is going in the opposite directions. A Full install of Slackware gives you 2 gb of fully functional, quality software that you can start using. May be people will start noticing this limitations, and it will help people to switch.

ALMAFUERTE

Re:This will play agains microsoft ... (1)

NaruVonWilkins (844204) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659959)

It won't. Name recognition keeps that from happening, and so does the fact that the Linux installer is not for grandparents.

What's the purpose? (1)

voteforkerry78 (819720) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659825)

Apparently this is another Microsoft money-making-monopolizing scheme that I don't understand...maybe you would purchase this if somehow you hate WMP...

Reduced MS (4, Funny)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659829)

If Europe's justice system manages to break up Microsoft into separate OS, app, devtools, and media companies, I might finally start a campaign for dual citizenship.

Re:Reduced MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659872)

I'll buy you a ticket to move there.

Re:Reduced MS (2, Insightful)

Phil246 (803464) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659943)

Problem is Microsoft is an american company. the EU cant break them up into seperate companies - that requires the US to do that.

Im sure you know what the chances of that happening are, at least within the next 4 years :)

Wow, they're smart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659843)

So, XP without Media, is like XP without Media.

Just what result did these guys expect?

"XP without Media, is like Linux, with OpenOffice"?

What a waste of time.

Am I the only one who's happy about this? (5, Insightful)

Dr. Spork (142693) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659849)

The article says that just downloading the WMP from microsoft makes this into a full XP Pro edition. So the effect is the same as being able to uninstall WMP, which is what I've been hoping to do for a long time.

What I'm saying is that this reduced edition really is superior, because it's easy to convert it into the full version, but not vice versa.

Yes, the majority of microsoft's evil annoyances are still there, but this is progress nonetheless.

Re:Am I the only one who's happy about this? (1)

06metzp (713177) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659908)

I agree. It seems like the price should be at least a little lower, which is always a benefit as well. Will it be made available in the US or only the EU?

Re:Am I the only one who's happy about this? (1, Interesting)

dave420 (699308) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659933)

What issues do people have with WMP anyway? Don't people realise that WMP and IE are not "applications" but more like "services"? That third-party software developers use these services in their own applications to achieve great results. Look at Zoom Player - arguably the best media player for Windows. It's based on WMP - it uses it to render the video, and using the plethora of hooks into WMP, configure it and tweak it to hades to get the best performance out of it. It's the same with IE - it's just a small OCX control, essentially. The IE "application" is a front-end to this control. Many third-party applications use this OCX to give them very fast access to a reliable HTML-renderer and fully-fledged web browser, again, using the plethora of hooks into it.

Removing these portions will severely affect third-party developers. Now, a zoom player download is increased from a couple of megs to well over 20. Genius.

Is this the only way OSS can win? To cripple the opposition?

Re:Am I the only one who's happy about this? (1)

NaruVonWilkins (844204) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659984)

Progress toward what?

With a name like that (2, Insightful)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659852)

It just won't sell: nobody wants to buy something that has the word "reduced" in it's name. Microsoft will stop distributing it after a while and just say: "it was a flop, the customers don't want it".

Re:With a name like that (1)

Solder Fumes (797270) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659892)

They could always call it the "Low-Carb Edition."

Re:With a name like that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659897)

Er, they're not releasing this as "an exciting new lead into a growing market of consumers who wish to buy reduced software", they're doing it because they HAVE to, if it doesn't work, they'll still produce it, they have no choice, it's reduced or it's nothing, they'll take the reduced and sell it to 90% of people.

The SAME Price? (1)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659863)

From TFA:
A few names which Microsoft may be using could include: Windows XP Shi**tee Edition, Windows XP No Media Player Here Edition, Windows XP The EU Sucks Edition, and
Windows XP Buy XP Pro Instead of This Since They Are Both Worth The Same Price Edition.

I must purchase XP workstations for our facility. I would jump on getting only the features of XP Pro that I need & not getting those that I don't for a reduced cost in a heartbeat. Depending on the savings, I might even use it on more workstations than I currently do. But why not just get XP Pro & choose not to install the media components if they cost the same? XP Pro will have the media components if you ever need them, but you aren't forced to install them. Furthermore, with wider deployment, support/upgrades are likely to be cleaner. How does this product have any value?

Windows should be stripped down even more (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659870)

Windows media player is buggy piece of crap anyways. I prefer winamp and vlc player instead of the included ms bloatware. lots of the included apps in windows are buggy memory hogs.

For pretty much every app included in windows there is a better 3rd party alternative, most of them free or even open source

id much rather not have paint but Gimp and Open Office instead of wordpad.

spelling nazi (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659876)

beggining?

Things i dont need (3, Funny)

3.09 a hour (812839) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659877)

Maybe this is a step towards a stripped down version of windows that *gasp* installs only the bare essentials by default and lets you get what you need later! Sounds like a good idea untill you relize somehow M$ probably figures they shoould charge MORE for a product with les features

Performance improvement? (3, Interesting)

IgD (232964) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659883)

The big question: Is there a performance improvement without all that fluff? (Especially on older PC's)

This is what I really like about Linux, stuff is turned off by default. This ensures security and saves valuable resources. Microsoft seems to have everything enabled out of the box.

Re:Performance improvement? (2, Insightful)

strredwolf (532) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659919)

Depends on the distro and how you install it, of course.

However, if you do put on X11 and mplayer natively, it's faster than Windows and Media Player.

Holding out... (5, Funny)

thepr0fess0r (756276) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659895)

I'm gonna wait for "Windows XP: Reduced resource consumption edition." [/troll]

doesn't this make it harder to use for people? (0)

raxrat (776937) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659899)

For instance, I sure am glad that OS X comes with quicktime and iTunes. How about "your mom" getting a new PC and not knowing why she can't view any files. How big will apple have to get before the EU strips iTunes from OS X?

Renamed: "Windows XP WTF Edition"?? (2, Interesting)

bob beta (778094) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659904)

The big question is, will this be popularly renamed 'Windows XP WTF Edition' (WTF=what the fuck) by the regular users who it is foisted onto? Most average users aren't frantic about preventing Microsoft from preinstalling a Media Player.

Zealots: the ball is in your court now to convince 'regular folks' that this is a good thing.

Re:Renamed: "Windows XP WTF Edition"?? (1)

06metzp (713177) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659980)

(WTF=what the fuck)

Thanks for the help there, I'm sure nobody knew what it stands for... but actually, you're wrong. It actually stands for "Williamstown Theatre Festival," or perhaps "What's This For?"

Thanks to acronymfinder.com for the help, there are many other meanings for WTF on there.

Stupid bureaucrats (2, Interesting)

Donny Smith (567043) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659910)

>So how does the end user benefit from this decision? In my opinion, they don't.

Exactly.

The whole thing was a stupid PR show by the stupid Euro bureaucrats.

When the whole thing was about to unfold, it seemed like some sort of politically-correct push against US-based Microsoft and a welcome boost for the home-grown SuSE and Mandrake.

Well it's 2005 now; Mandrake has been marginalized, SuSE was lucky to be acquired by IBM (their proxy Novell, that is) and enterprises are back to buying U.S. software (Red Hat, SuSE, Microsoft, Solaris, OS X) and services.

On the multi-media side, Windows Media Player has been replaced by another proprietary hardware-software combo (iPod).
And Windows customers are extra bothered by the crippled Windows version for which they have to download a multi-MB media player software (as most of them are 10MB or more).

Congratulations to the stupid Euro government!

Please confirm (1)

Qwavel (733416) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659917)

It is my understanding that one of the alternatives proposed by the EU was that MS include both their own media player + the real player (& maybe quicktime?), all with equal placement.

Can someone confirm this?

For the consumer, that would have been the ideal solution.

Bundled Software - oh how terrible. (5, Insightful)

chadrickb (856491) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659922)

On one hand, probably a majority of Microsoft's practices are a bit shady (like trying to name a product 'reduced media edition' - that's in part why I'm slowly switching to the Mac. On the other hand, as a consumer, I like the idea of OSes bundling software. OS X and Linux both typically come with tons. Saves me money in a lot of cases. So hey, if in the future Microsoft wants to bundle Antivirus and antispyware solutions, go ahead. Not to mention that WMP 10 was pretty good, certainly much better than most all the alternatives - like RealPlayer. Maybe bundling software will encourage companies like Real and Symantic to stop making bloated subpar software. And if companies like Real went out of business, would many people really be upset?

Silly (1)

FullMetalAlchemist (811118) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659925)

It's silly that MS has to remove applications from Windows, they should be foreced not to install every single application and feature by deafult or at least give the end user the option to uninstall them.
As it is now most people will not bother to get a better application simply because: WHY HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS INSTALLED THAT DOES THE SAME THING?

I build my own XP Pro CD's, stripped to the bone, just the way I like it.

IE Too? (1)

acidkillUSF (523372) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659942)

Would be great if this version came without Internet Explorer installed. I guess that the EU case didn't have problems with a browser being installed and integrated, even more so than the media player, and so MS doesn't remove that as well

Apparently there are 3rd party tools that allow one to uninstall IE from 98/2k/XP, but it would be great to have a version from MS like that. Security would be greatly increased to boot.

another hint (1)

edward.virtually@pob (6854) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659945)

The article hints how this may be the beggining to a Windows OS without any Microsoft applications.

since the edition in question is only available in the eu, its existence is irrelevant to the rest of the world, and will probably cease to exist entirely after a few more legal rounds.

Office (1)

mvdlubbe (859057) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659950)

I think this would be a brilliant new branch of Windows for the office, if only they would continue the path. Think about it. Windows, on the office desktop, with no extra's at all. No software that a user will not ever need, no software to block rights to use to, just a plain OS, with all the 'standards' and 'compatibility' from MS, with that GUI, which is familiar to the user. That, I think, would be an extremely nice move by MS.

who cares about windows anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659964)

Linux and Mac are already taking over the desktop market and Linux' desktop share is expected to reach 20% by end of this year so who cares about Windows anymore.
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