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gmaestro writes
"Fedora Core 4 Test 2 is up on the servers. New features in Fedora Core 4 test 2 include GNOME 2.10, KDE 3.4, as well as a preview of GCC 4.0 and support for the PowerPC architecture. Use a mirror or torrent and help with testing!"
XFCE (Score:1)
Re:XFCE (Score:2, Informative)
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Re:XFCE (Score:4, Informative)
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/li
1 cd install (Score:4, Interesting)
last time i tried fedora, i needed to download 3 cd's just to get a desktop.
Re:1 cd install (Score:1, Offtopic)
That and updating is much simpler and flexible...
Tom
Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:1, Informative)
"here's the command prompt, run the crappy command line partitioning tool with no resize, run newfs by hand, install bootloader by hand".
Yeah, that's a real 1:1 comparison to Fedora.
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:2)
Learning how to actually USE your computer should be more important.
Imagine if people actually knew how their computers worked. There would be fewer viruses/etc/malware. Imagine if people knew how their cars worked and took care of them too, etc, etc...
Granted you can't be a master of all but what's wrong with "if you want to use a computer you should know a bit about how it actually works".
I mean pilots have to know how their planes work from end to e
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:2, Interesting)
I just want a distro that I can install quickly, has the development environment I need so I can start working immediately.
As a result, I lean toward distros which do have GUI installers.
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:2)
It takes little time to setup gentoo compared to the time you use it.
Hell installing windows+updates+patches+tools+reboots+etc takes ABOUT THE SAME TIME as a base install of gentoo.
Tom
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:1)
Not quite sure where you read 'my complaint' - I expressed a personal opinion which was aimed to counter your argument - to sum it up and add a little more depth: I don't need nor want intimate knowlegde of a bunch of command line tools to install a system, and further, I don't think anyone needs to unless they want to.
Wouldn't hav
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:1)
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:1)
define ('PROG_MSG_ERROR_IN_EXEC','Warning: an error occured during processing');
found on http://www.vlaamse-kern.com/sas/showdeltree.php..
Sorry - couldn't resist
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:1)
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:1)
Didn't mean any offense by it - your original reply made me chuckle too btw
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:3, Insightful)
Knowing how to a computer work
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:2)
Gentoo isn't as complicated as people make it out to be. It has step by step instructions and once you bootstrap it's easy as
emerge sync && emerge -u world
Granted a GUI installer for gentoo would be cool but I think more inteligent "average" users would be cooler.
Tom
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:1)
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:2)
I know how to use BOTH.
Tom
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:1)
That's right, there's nothing you can do. A real admin could ssh in and fix it, but you viewed that kind of knowledge as optional. Too bad for you.
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:1)
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Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:1, Flamebait)
My fridge is out of food
Why is it so hard to accept that at some point you're best served by not being a total ignorant little shit.
If you want to use a computer you're not doing yourself a favour by thumbing your nose at anything remotely challenging [that definition varies]. At some point something will fuck up. Instead of just making do you could actually fix it.
Granted there are limits to this logic. If your cpu blows
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:2)
But I disagree that the GUI is best for repetative tasks. Repetetive tasks you do at the command line once, then make a script, then never do again (and no, I don't mean you write out a perl script that eventually becomes as intelligent as you, I mean #!/bin/sh and a list of the commands w
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:2)
Well la-dee-freakin-da. Are you trying to convince yourself what a good decision Gentoo was by insisting all of us who are trying to discuss FC turn around and say "you're right, Gentoo is so much cooler with it's lack of GUI installer!"? Give it a rest. The reason people over-generalize it is because of people like you who can't seem to let us discuss so
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:2)
Like the portage system which is a hell of a lot cleaner than the RPM system. The lack of a GUI installer shouldn't be a "show stopper".
Tom [someone who uses FC at work and really enjoys the requirement to install a new kernel so I can update gnome
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:1)
Your feeble mind just can't handle the thought that other people just don't care about and don't want to discuss Gentoo. Especially in discussion about FC.
Justin [who knows an update to gnome that adds integration with dbus and hald just might legitimately need a new kernel that actually supports d
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:2)
Seriously you want to play with that stuff that is all fine and dandy. But you really gain nothing more than you would by reading the instructions. The whole idea that you should know a bit about how it works is amusing. What bit? I can write code all day but I have
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:2)
Maybe if you're a 12 year old with nothing better to do, or no marketable skills apart from being able to "USE a computer".
Imagine if people actually knew how their computers worked. There would be fewer viruses/etc/malware. Imagine if people knew how their cars worked and took care of them too, etc, etc...
Society wouldn't function because everyone would be too busy learning how to make a car or build a house from scratch.
Granted you
Re:Leave your Gentoo advocacy in another thread (Score:2)
Where did I say you had to make the computer or distro?
But to turn this around on you. I'd think people WOULD be better served by understanding what actually goes into the foods they buy at the grocery store. How to actually make a meal that is healthy, etc...
Largely I blame the market for that though. They inundate people with so much crap that it's hard to actually pick out the healthier stuf
Re:1 cd install (Score:4, Insightful)
(and besides... booting up netinstall shouldn't take more than 2 floppies - if even that)
ATTN: Gentoo'ers (Score:1)
Re:ATTN: Gentoo'ers (Score:1)
When you have problems, you're more likely able to resolve them if you know how your OS operates, mainly because you've put together all parts. You're not a linux guru by
Re:ATTN: Gentoo'ers (Score:2)
As well as learning, and don'
Re:1 cd install (Score:2)
the FAQ (Score:3, Informative)
Q: How will The Fedora Project be made available to the public?
A: Fedora Core releases will be available as ISO images for both CDs and DVDs, and will also be available through other channels such as third-party online sales of physical media; distribution at Linux User Groups, included in magazines and in books, and maybe even handed out at trade shows. The bits may be actively pushed into content sharing networks such as BitTorrent. (Not all mechanisms will be used fo
Re:the FAQ (Score:2)
For The Bandwidth Challenged (Score:5, Informative)
If you are bandwidth challenged (as I was until recently) then you have a number of options.
Disclaimer: Some options may be overly expensive or impractical due to your geographical location. Don't winge. Pick a different option.
Re:For The Bandwidth Challenged (Score:3, Informative)
(correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm on the way out the door to work and in a hurry
SB
Re:For The Bandwidth Challenged (Score:3, Informative)
http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/ [ubuntulinux.org]
just create an account, then at the end of the process tell them how many live or install cd's you want.
Re:For The Bandwidth Challenged (Score:5, Informative)
1) Download the Boot CD [redhat.com]
2) Boot with the aguments askmethod
3) Choose HTTP/FTP
4) Enter http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linu
5) Profit.
Re:For The Bandwidth Challenged (Score:1)
you have to do (for HTTP install)
download.fedora.redhat.com for server
pub/fedora/linux/core//i386/os/ For the file holder
Infact, just download the Rescue CD Iso, and at the prompt, type "linux aksmethod" and it will skip the disgnostics and go for the normal install, PLUS this way, you have the rescue CD anyway, at a much smaller download.
Every time i do an install / update, i do it this way, takes less time for me to do that than to download three ISO files, even with a cable mo
Re:For The Bandwidth Challenged (Score:3, Informative)
Re:For The Bandwidth Challenged (Score:2)
* Go with a distro that lets you do a netinstall and only download what you need.
Bandwidth-challenged and net-install are not two words I tend to use favorably together.
Re:For The Bandwidth Challenged (Score:2)
Ubuntu has the best compromise IMO: most of what you need is on the CD, so you can st
Re:the FAQ (Score:1)
Re:the FAQ (Score:2)
Re:the FAQ (Score:1)
No, I agree. Gives me the following idea: Given how modular the distribution kernel is, I wonder whether it would be possible to redistribute (torrents of) ISO images of the default desktop, server, and workstation installation choices.
Re:1 cd install (Score:1)
BTW, Netgear WG121 is what isn't supported.
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If I am going to want to install a large ammount of software with my distro then i would rather get it from package repository..
With a DVD ISO based distro you first have an hour or two(or more)downloading a DVD ISO and burning it , instaling it and all the software you want from the CD
Re:1 cd install (Score:1, Insightful)
Fedora is not for people who have a 56k there is a billion updates constantly cause the distro is ever changing with ne
Re:1 cd install (Score:2)
screenshots (Score:1, Informative)
General questions (Score:2)
Also, what's the advantages of GCC 4.0? I've noticed quite a few updates with GCC 3, and was curious if it was just more optimizations or if they were simply adding more proc support to it. I've been using 3.4.2 under FC3 and a uClibc project, but I'd like to hear some other comments or views on it.
No KDE/
Re:General questions (Score:2)
It's a whole lot faster when compiling C++. Fortran support is now up to F95 from F77. I think the C++ ABI is compatible with 3.4, so you should just be able to drop it right in (I'd keep 3.4 around just to be safe, and 4.0 hasn't even been officially released yet)
Re:General questions (Score:1)
The rest of the speed increases were not that dramatic, but they were there.
Re:General questions (Score:1)
PPC for me (Score:1)
Re:PPC for me (Score:2)
This is performed by a boot loader, which also allows you to boot multiple OS's. I found http://www.linuxworld.com/story/47809.htm?DE=1 to be an interesting read.
Re:PPC for me (Score:1)
it is a distro aimed at PPC users, and is very user-friendly. I'd put money down on the fact everything "just works" when you put it into your PPC machine.
oohhh, GCC 4??? (Score:2)
The release notes for 3 over 2 might as well have read:
** Changes for GCC 3.0 (compared to 2.9):
* Broke compatibility with all existing file formats, and in fact some parts of the C language itself.
* New functionality: none