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Gates on Google

samzenpus posted more than 9 years ago | from the the-big-g's dept.

Microsoft 755

EnsignExtra writes " A long and interesting article in Fortune on the battle between Gates and Google. 'Forced to watch Google's stock soar the way Microsoft's used to, and Brin and Page enjoy their roles as tech's new rock stars, Gates brings to the fight a ferocity that nobody has seen since the Netscape war a decade ago. Their popularity gets under his skin. "There's companies that are just so cool that you just can't even deal with it," he says sarcastically, suggesting that Google is nothing more than the latest fad, adding, "At least they know to wear black."...Trying to build a Google killer, however, has turned out to be truly humbling for Microsoft.'"

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Microsoft's Underdog (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440070)

[Microsoft] has spent about $150 million on its search project, code-named Underdog.
Oh the irony, a one-hundred-fifty million dollar Microsoft project named "Underdog." "Don't be Evil" vs. "It Just Works," the battle rages on...

Re:Microsoft's Underdog (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440084)

If Gates used Linux he could just "killall -9 Google"

Re:Microsoft's Underdog (-1, Offtopic)

Draoi (99421) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440125)

Tsk, tsk - copying Apple again? [wikipedia.org] What's with the canine project names anyway?

Re:Microsoft's Underdog (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440252)

Odds are this idiotic unfunny post gets moderated up to 5 because it A) mentions Apple entirely out of context, B) contains conventional wisdom, and C) has a hyperlink.

Re:Microsoft's Underdog (5, Funny)

Scruffeh (867141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440275)

I think it's because Dogs need constant attention and maintenence, much like MS' software

here is another ironic project... (1)

alexandreracine (859693) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440248)

It is called "Get the facts"

cootervision (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440072)

Am I first?

The ultimate fight (3, Funny)

baadger (764884) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440074)

Google vs [googlefight.com]
Microsoft ..the fight concluded.

Maybe some truth there (2, Insightful)

thepotoo (829391) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440210)

I hate MS just as much as the next guy, but, honestly, they will win eventually. Google is great, but Microsoft makes so many products (OS, Word, search, email) and has so much more money, that it will eventually win.


Now, it's possible that google could pull things around, but in order to beat MS, it would have to become more diverse than it currently is (I mean, google would have to make and market an equivalent to Windows and every other MS product).


See, the way things are right now, all MS has to do is block attempts to reach *.google.com in Longhorn, and google will have been nothing but a fad (this won't happen, but something similar might).

Re:Maybe some truth there (2, Insightful)

REggert (823158) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440250)

Google = really good at a narrow range of things
Microsoft = half-assed at everything

On a side note, Googlefight shows Pam Anderson beating out Anna Nicole Smith by a narrow margin (5,820,000 results vs. 4,900,000 results). ;-)

Re:Maybe some truth there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440279)

Microsoft makes some pretty decent games, I'll give 'em that. Flight Sim, Train Sim, AOE, etc.

Re:Maybe some truth there (1)

Taladar (717494) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440261)

Microsoft isn't very diverse either. They only have Office and Windows as revenue streams.

Re:Maybe some truth there (4, Insightful)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440269)

That may be true. But it's pretty sad that, for Bill, it's not enough to win; someone else has to lose. He hates sharing the stage. It's like Bill thinks all computers everywhere are his personal domain. There's probably medication available for that problem.

Ugh... (1)

Stu L Tissimus (873928) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440077)

I'm sorry, but really, what an asshole. Can't accept a little competition?

Re:Ugh... (3, Insightful)

Adrilla (830520) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440094)

Competition is all well and good...when you're winning!

Re:Ugh... (1)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440169)

The sound of the world's smallest violin playing for Microsoft heard quietly in the distance. They didn't want to hire me for a summer internship, so guess where I'm working now?

Re:Ugh... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440190)

McDonalds?

Re:Ugh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440202)

Burn.

Good Fairy (1)

kahei (466208) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440208)


At no point has the Good Fairy That Lives In The Sky come down and announced that MS have to be the only corp on Earth that likes competition. Until that does happen, MS have a right to react to competition in the same way as every other company (ie primarily by saying nasty things about it, then by reluctantly spending money to try to get rid of it).

If the GFTLITS has in fact come down and delivered this announcement, then I stand corrected.

To those who doubt the existence of the GFTLITS, I have nothing to say. But you will learn.

GOffice? (5, Interesting)

DoubleDangerClub (855480) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440078)

The interesting thing is that supposedly Google is interested in the power of OpenOffice. This could maybe lead to online creation of office documents, emailing them through GMail, and storing them in Google webspace. It starts to kill the use of Windows apps.

Next, they'll come out with a GBrowser and add extra functionality for their new line of star studded packages in your Google account if you use their browser. Maybe that's why they've taken a bunch of Firefox developers...but who knows?

Re:GOffice? (2, Insightful)

giginger (825703) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440107)

i'm starting to worry abou the amount of google apps and tools that are available/beta. It could all implode when they realise they've got far too much on their plates. They're just adding and adding all the time. It's losing the simpleness factor.

Re:GOffice? (3, Insightful)

UnxMully (805504) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440148)

As long as they don't forget twhat is their core business, Google will be fine.

Re:GOffice? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440183)

The page at http://www.google.com/ [google.com] is just as simple as ever.

When that turns into a portal, then we worry. Until then, let them experiment with stuff. They are not just going to sit on their new wealth.

Re:GOffice? (2, Insightful)

kootsoop (809311) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440120)

The interesting thing is that supposedly Google is interested in the power of OpenOffice. This could maybe lead to online creation of office documents, emailing them through GMail, and storing them in Google webspace. It starts to kill the use of Windows apps.

The Network Is The Computer[tm].

Re:GOffice? (2, Insightful)

Rado.hr (856015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440213)

IBM is already using OOo for their (proprietary) solutions. It seems that OOo will spread by proxy, companies around the world will embrace (and extend, huh IBM?) OOo and thus slowly change the dominant office format towards OpenOffice?

Re:GOffice? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440224)

Are they going to make any games, a first person Googler perhaps?

Re:GOffice? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440231)

Does anyone else remember the days when Slashdot ranted daily against the privacy-violating evil of Doubleclick cookies?

Well, what google is doing is DoubleClick *10^100, and everyone's hunkydory with it because they *might* help runner-ups like OpenOffice or Firefox become more popular by morphing them into data collection mechanisms. (Which itself is an ironic business model for "free as in freedom software".)

Anyway, don't kid yourselves. Google is really an advertisement vendor -- their customers are increasingly ad agencies and big corporations. They want this data to build consumer profiles on you (and probably governmental profiles too), which they will sell in one form or another.

Diversity is better (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440254)

This concentration of resources in a single company or product is stupid, you just take your eye off the ball. Do what you do best and let others get on with what they do best.

Re:GOffice? (5, Interesting)

vidarlo (134906) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440267)

The interesting thing is that supposedly Google is interested in the power of OpenOffice. This could maybe lead to online creation of office documents, emailing them through GMail, and storing them in Google webspace. It starts to kill the use of Windows apps.

I guess this might be reallity in a few years. The challenge for google would be to switch the corporate marked, not the private market. But microsoft get most money from the corporate market in the office-land. So, if every single person switched to openoffice, while corporates stuck with office, it'd be relatively harmless to microsoft. But imagine if google comes with Glinux! That'd be very interesting, and as connections is getting faster, they might even run it as thin terminals. Google has the infrastructure for running a few million thin clients...

Re:GOffice? (4, Interesting)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440280)

Google O/S (linux/bsd), running Google Office (OpenOffice), with free integration with webservices (Google Maps, Google Groups, Google Mail, Picasa) that have unlimited usage/storage.

Gates has always insisted that his company could cease to be viable in a span of as little as 5 years, given the IBM PC experience (but at least IBM even in the 1980s was much more diversified). With a 3-5 year refresh cycle for desktop PCs this makes Microsoft even more vulnerable than IBM was.

If Google has the 'cool' factor and all of the sudden people start demanding Google desktops like they're demanding iPods, I can see a sudden shift. Unlikely, but possible.

Obvious (5, Insightful)

tnhtnh (870708) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440083)

Of course Bill (and Microsoft) are going to hate Google; they are after all competitors in the search industry. What, do you really except them to sit down and play a game of checkers?

Re:Obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440229)

No, I don't expect them to be buddy-buddy friends for life. But I do expect the head of a company as large and wealthy and powerful as MS is to act like an adult and not a petulant child.

Competitiveness is good, but if Gates can't even figure out that he shouldn't sound like a jerk in an on-the-record interview, then he has personal issues that impact his company.

Re:Obvious (2, Interesting)

tnhtnh (870708) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440265)

Dont believe what you read and only half of what you hear ;) The article is a load of shit and mis-portrays all relevent parties.

Microsoft is too gaudy (4, Insightful)

Gabrill (556503) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440085)

Well, if Microsoft hadn't built up an AOL-like overdone presence with their MSN web portal, maybe people wouldn't be sick of M$. I go to Google for the refreshing simple-ness.

Re:Microsoft is too gaudy (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440137)

you faggots who spell microsoft with a dollar sign are goddamn retards

stop it

Re:Microsoft is too gaudy (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440182)

I think that someone who can't use capital letters has no right to criticise.

Re:Microsoft is too gaudy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440218)

yeah. what he said!

The best Google Ad Ever! (5, Interesting)

notany (528696) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440088)

"There's companies that are just so cool that you just can't even deal with it," - Bill Gates, about Google

Re:The best NON M$ Ad Ever! (1)

teksno (838560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440167)

you could almot sat that about the "elitest mac heads" in regards to apple.....

Another day.. another google story.. (-1, Troll)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440093)

How much is google paying you guys?

Re:Another day.. another google story.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440104)

how much is bill paying you?

Re:Another day.. another google story.. (1)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440117)

a million gazillian faffilian dollahs

Re:Another day.. another google story.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440165)

Man, all I got was a lousy pen that said "It Just Works" on it.

Re:Another day.. another google story.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440111)

Don't forget Microsoft-bashing! It's a double whammy, for the price of one!

Re:Another day.. another google story.. (1)

philntc (735836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440168)

Hi.
I just tried mozdex.com (as per your sig) and the following error was returned.

I've never had an error on Google.

500 Servlet Exception

java.io.IOException: Lock obtain timed out: Lock@/tmp/lucene-0bac8a4f47f7b0b319fb59f35deb062e- commit.lock
at org.apache.lucene.store.Lock.obtain(Lock.java:58)
at org.apache.lucene.store.Lock$With.run(Lock.java:10 8)
at org.apache.lucene.index.IndexReader.open(IndexRead er.java:111)
at org.apache.lucene.index.IndexReader.open(IndexRead er.java:101)
at org.apache.nutch.searcher.IndexSearcher.(IndexSear cher.java:60)
at org.apache.nutch.searcher.NutchBean.init(NutchBean .java:107)
at org.apache.nutch.searcher.NutchBean.(NutchBean.jav a:81)
at org.apache.nutch.searcher.NutchBean.(NutchBean.jav a:71)
at org.apache.nutch.searcher.NutchBean.get(NutchBean. java:63)
at _jsp._search__jsp._jspService(/search.jsp:50)
at com.caucho.jsp.JavaPage.service(JavaPage.java:61)
at com.caucho.jsp.Page.pageservice(Page.java:557)
at com.caucho.server.dispatch.PageFilterChain.doFilte r(PageFilterChain.java:141)
at com.caucho.server.webapp.WebAppFilterChain.doFilte r(WebAppFilterChain.java:163)
at com.caucho.server.dispatch.ServletInvocation.servi ce(ServletInvocation.java:207)
at com.caucho.server.hmux.HmuxRequest.handleRequest(H muxRequest.java:385)
at com.caucho.server.port.TcpConnection.run(TcpConnec tion.java:327)
at com.caucho.util.ThreadPool.runTasks(ThreadPool.jav a:450)
at com.caucho.util.ThreadPool.run(ThreadPool.java:394 )
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534)

Re:Another day.. another google story.. (2, Informative)

baadger (764884) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440191)

I've never had an error on Google.

I have. They look like this [inluminent.com]

Innovate, not copy (5, Insightful)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440100)

If Microsoft would innovate, instead of copy, then Gates would not have to be envious of Google's success and coolness.

Re:Innovate, not copy (5, Informative)

baadger (764884) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440141)

Direct quote from the article.

"I remember when [Payne's team] showed off their first prototype in early 2004people laughed because it was so much like Google," says a former Microsoft executive. "We had copied them. That's not how you lead."


They even admit copying the top dogs.

Re:Innovate, not copy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440147)

Name one inovative MS product, ever. Copying has got them where they are today, they've never been an inovative company. Why should they change now?

Re:Innovate, not copy (1, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440268)

Microsoft is so totally innovative. After inventing the computer, they wrote BASIC. Before that there were no progamming languages. Then they brought out MS-DOS which allowed people to run programs without typing them in first. After that, they invented the Windows GUI. Then a few years later they came up with 3D graphics, then created the internet (Al Gore was working fro MS at the time).

See. Lots of original ideas there.

Re:Innovate, not copy (4, Insightful)

bani (467531) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440175)

since when has microsoft innovated, ever ?

microsoft is good at only one thing - copying. innovating is a completely alien concept to them.

if they can't copy something, they assimilate it. the borg analogy works very well.

that's stupid (1)

cahiha (873942) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440238)

There is nothing wrong with copying. Most of what Google, Microsoft, IBM, Apple, Sun, and other companies are doing is copied from somewhere. In fact, most innovation doesn't come from companies, it comes from universities and a few private research labs. Even the technology that Google was founded on was developed while the founders were at Stanford. And among computer companies, Microsoft is one of the best companies in terms of spending on research and innovation.

Microsoft's problems have nothing to do with innovation (or lack thereof), they have to do with business practices.

Re:Innovate, not copy (1, Interesting)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440242)

If Microsoft would innovate, instead of copy, then Gates would not have to be envious of Google's success and coolness.

Personally, I don't really have a problem with Microsoft (or any other company) copying as long as they do it well and add a few new features or a bit of additional polish to the mix.

There seems to be this Slashdot-think that companies should always come up with radical innovations. Even Google hasn't, after all, plenty of companies were doing searching, web-mail and news browsing way before them. They just took an idea, added a few new features and a bit of polish.

As for Microsoft, without sounding like zealot either way, everything they've tried outside of Windows has been a humbling experience but they are persistant. Last time I looked their PDA/Smartphone line is looking strong and their media centre isn't bad at all. The problems they've had with the XBox come down to the radically different style of market - you can't just throw out incremental OS releases on a month by month basis.

As I wrote previously, having suffered the painful experience that is the Sony Ericsson P910, I am actually looking forward to going back to the HTC Magician [mobile-review.com] . Thats not to say that WinCE is heaven, far from it, but it has come on in leaps and bounds.

unfortunately... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440102)

bill was not so cool... i see it as jealousy... muahahah

Vicious tongue lashings (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440103)

Gates may have given him a pass during that initial presentation, but Payne has been at the receiving end of plenty of vicious tongue-lashings since then, during his monthly meetings with Gates and in the weekly e-mails he receives from his boss.
Ummm...can we possibly get an audio clip of one of these 'vicious tongue lashings'? I want to do a mashup complete with a Gates tirade.

The explosion reminds us that we must fear (0, Offtopic)

Captain Poopypants (720974) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440109)

An "explosion" the size of a small fireworks rocket at 3 am. Nobody gets hurt, but now the neo-con infiltrated right wing media can again whip up the fear and militant patriotism.

I was already expecting something like this. GWBs approval rate is at all time low, the Abu Ghraib incident is back in public, the Iraqi insurgents have not been defeated, WMDs have not been found and Osama bin Laden is still at large.

It was about time that the government must remind us of the Enemy - that we must fear and stop whining about the erosion of our civil rights and rampart cronyism in the Bush cabinet and just bend over for all the excesses.

Re:The explosion reminds us that we must fear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440236)

I agree, although offtopic....US residents have not been paranoid enough lately....so this explosion was right on time...now chase the shadow.......Amerikan 'friend'.

One statment in the article is not true... (-1)

suman28 (558822) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440115)

You can use Google software with any Internet browser to search the web
This is simply not true. Mozilla/Firefox/Opera do not have the google toolbar. Why you ask? Because even google knows that at the moment, IE is still the most popular browser and so, they have bothered making their software work for anything else.

Re:One statment in the article is not true... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440161)

That was a joke, right?

Re:One statment in the article is not true... (5, Informative)

smellystudent (663516) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440163)

...or because Opera and Firefox have a Google search field in the toolbars already and don't need a third party to add the functionality?

Re:One statment in the article is not true... (2, Informative)

Tx (96709) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440172)

Or maybe because they know the open source community will fill that gap, probably in better ways. I mean, how many ways do Firefox users have to use google - Googlbar/Googlebar lite, quick searches, "i feel lucky" via the address bar, the built-in search box of course, etc.

Re:One statment in the article is not true... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440181)

You can use Google software with any Internet browser to search the web
This is simply not true. Mozilla/Firefox/Opera do not have the google toolbar. Why you ask? Because even google knows that at the moment, IE is still the most popular browser and so, they have bothered making their software work for anything else.


Actually that is true. You were confusing the google toolbar to be unique to internet explorer because IE doesn't come with a google toolbar so google had to make one on there own. Since Firefox and others had one built right in, Google didn't see a need to create another one for those browsers.

Re:One statment in the article is not true... (1)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440186)

This is Forbes remember - they probably meant you can use google.com with any browser. Not as ridiculous a statement as it sounds, if you consider things like the broken sylesheets MSN used to send to useragent:Opera...

Re:One statment in the article is not true... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440188)

Have you even installed Firefox? I have firefox. It has a google toolbar built-in.

Christ, you throw out lies with the nonchalance of O'Reilly.. Perhaps you have a future in talk radio!

Re:One statment in the article is not true... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440228)

"Mozilla/Firefox/Opera do not have the google toolbar."

You are wrong, and I dub thee "fuckbeak" for the error...

Google Toolbar Firefox Extension: (there are actually multiple flavours)
https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/morei nfo.php?id=33 [mozilla.org]

Re:One statment in the article is not true... (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440240)

Didn't they mean Google's software running on google's server?

Re:One statment in the article is not true... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440241)

That's not true, on many counts. You can access their web page (to use their tech) from any browser from Lynx to Opera. Konqueror has a Google bar on it. Mozilla has plugins for a Google-bar, and in fact uses Google for their default search engine (like when you type stuff in IE, it takes you to Microsoft's search page). Even their newest tech works almost everywhere, Google-maps works in IE and Mozilla on Windows, Mac, Linux, and FreeBSD (probably a lot more, that's all I've tried).

I'm amazed... (2, Interesting)

Sewer Panda (812292) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440124)

...that Gates actually allowed an article like this to be posted. Normally, the big machine in Redmond shows no fear, even in the face of major competition from Linux and FOSS.

WTF with Google anyway? (2, Interesting)

Zemplar (764598) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440127)

Don't get me wrong, they do a good job overall, but Yahoo! is making GREAT strides and slips under the radar for press coverage when every /.'er ooohs and aaaahs over every move Google makes.

Besides, Google is returning results for pages that are OVER A YEAR OLD when I Yahoo! regularly picking up changes no more than two weeks old.

Re:WTF with Google anyway? (2, Interesting)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440209)

Its cos its geek cool. I was quite surprised when a number of my non techie friends rejected gmail invites after some of my techie friends had practically begged for them. The reason? they were uncomfortable regarding privacy after reading the t&c. This morning I was installing the google web accelerator until I got to the 'we may record personally identifable data on you' and even better, 'we may download pages you have not actually requested to your machine' parts at which point it went in the bin. Lets make it the microsoft web accelerator and see what sort of response that eula would get here.

Re:WTF with Google anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440233)

Example?

Re:WTF with Google anyway? (1)

teksno (838560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440255)

its just that google has had a history of doing thins a little bit different then other companies....and they are slightly ahead of the curve when it comes to apps users of all levels could possibaly use.....my mom the other day brought up their desktop search for my personal 2 terra media server. her friends son put it on his parents computer and now their family uses the crap out of it. not to mention google has the largest FREE, though slightly creppy privacy policy, Email....

Re:WTF with Google anyway? (1)

VanillaDeath (825103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440266)

Yahoo is filled to the brim with flash and java ads, and its services are, for the most part, slow. On top of that, they aren't really doing anything impressive.
They ruined Launch. Their search technology relied on Google technology until what? A year ago? And it isn't even that good now.
At times I know they try, but I really don't think they can compare to Google at the rate they're going.

The only thing I use Yahoo for now is its movie database as I can rate, compose lists, and review (similar to the reasons I liked Launch before Yahoo took over). If Google started offering this I'd switch in a heartbeat. I also use groups for one specific group, stjohnsfreecycle, because I don't have a choice there.

I just really don't see how Yahoo is up to par.

Letter to Google... (2, Funny)

0110011001110101 (881374) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440129)

Deer Brin and Page,

When i fiRst stol DOs back in the day, peeple were schtupid... and I culd fewl them into thinkin I was an uber-Geek with my fancy pants cummand line stuff.

You would'nt beelive the a$$ i was gettin with the monay I was brinign in early on, chicks dig my big brain and fat pokets.

Anyhooo the point here is you guys are hip and cool and everythin I wanted to be.. and the azz train had definetly left this station.. so throw an old dawg a bone, stop comin out with all them new feetures every day so ole bIll can get some eh?

If you can kick some of them new fangled ideas over to ole bill every now and again, I promise to license a few of them copies of illegil windoze you have rollin round over there... we can all win!

Sincereleeley,

Mr. Gates (the kids call me 'money' for short)

Revenue streams (4, Insightful)

bpuli (654182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440130)

Microsoft has multiple revenue streams. Google, at this point, has only one.I think MS is doing the right thing by trying to attack Google before they come close to any of their core product lines. While it may seem that Google is encroaching on MS territory, it is far from true.

I hope Google expands into areas that generate revenue while competing directly against MS - that will put pressure on MS and hopefully bring down cost and maybe even improve quality.

Re:Revenue streams (1)

bani (467531) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440234)

linux's dominance in the server OS market hasn't brought down microsoft's server OS pricing nor has it made microsoft's server OSes suck any less.

i don't see why google would change anything.

Why is he so upset? (2, Insightful)

Transcendent (204992) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440135)

The only reason MS has interest in Google's success is because of $$$$.

There is no "market share" or distributed software that comes from people searching through your website... the only problem is that since people are going to Google, MS is loosing money in advertising.

It's not even about software, it's about ad revenues.

clash of the corepirate nazi tightends? (-1, Troll)

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Tidbits (4, Insightful)

cOdEgUru (181536) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440139)

Confidence ran high. A senior Microsoft executive said the top brass thought the fight against Google "was going to be Netscape all over again."

*Chuckle*

"I remember when [Payne's team] showed off their first prototype in early 2004--people laughed because it was so much like Google," says a former Microsoft executive. "We had copied them. That's not how you lead."

Hmm..isnt that how they led with XP, copying Aqua?

One reason Google has been rolling out so many new or improved products is that Schmidt understands that innovation is the only sure edge Google has. The moment Google allows itself to slow, Microsoft could overwhelm it.

This is the reason why Odds are stacked so high up against companies such as Google or Apple. All their success depends on their ability to innovate constantly and continuously, that any letup will cost them both users and provide enough leverage for competitors to one_up them.

"Microsoft can play its old game to compete with Linux and Apple. It has to play Google's game to compete with Google."

And that sums it all. Google has proven to Microsoft that they cant compete on the same level. Microsoft has bureaucratic issues that needs to be resolved in terms of its size and the products it push through, and in their direction. Google has its own such as growing pains, the push to constantly innovate and the drive to outlast a cash cow ten times bigger.

Re:Tidbits (2, Insightful)

bani (467531) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440201)

google innovates. this is a completely alien concept to microsoft, and it is why google is successful and microsoft is completely lost.

but it also means the moment google pauses even for a split second, microsoft will overwhelm them with copying.

quite funny to see google putting a bug up billy's butt though. suffer, bill. suffer.

Re:Tidbits (1)

Sexy Bern (596779) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440260)

I love the way Google maps obviates the need for me to have Autoroute. I know I don't use all of Autoroute's features, I just need maps and directions. Google maps now does that for me, for free, from anywhere.

Gates Who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440152)

Brin and Page are awesome. I love Google.

different league (3, Interesting)

tnhtnh (870708) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440154)

Rasmus (PHP) pointed out at linux.conf.au that while google does some really great things, they are a child compared to yahoo or MS. Yahoo has some 50 subsites that must support same sign on in seconds etc and millions of users worldwhite. "Talk to me when google has some 50 million email users and we'll see how well they do it" - Rasmus

Re:different league (1)

webview (49052) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440230)

I totally agree. I think Google is great, but I have never seen so many problems with Gmail. Granted it's 'beta' (whatever that is supposed to mean), but I get timeouts or blank pages when using Gmail. I have never seen that (at least to this degree) with Yahoo! mail or even Hotmail (ugh).

I really don't care who wins (let's face it, how does this help any of us?), but it's pretty clear Google has a way to go in terms of learning curve in the 'user application' area.

Re:different league (1)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440232)

I certainly hope Yahell!'s shitty single-sign-on architecture isn't the model Google's using--I can't even begin to describe how broken it is.

google's threat to ms (2, Insightful)

Scruffeh (867141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440156)

Surely Google can't be that much of a threat to Microsoft? MS' dominence is built mostly on the popularity (+ lack of competition) of Windows, Office and other expensive items of software. I would be much more worried about OSS like Openoffice and Firefox than someone offering better webmail! Besides, the MS search engine is always in with a chance of gaining popularity because of the fact that they integrate it into Windows. All they need is a product that is competitive. This has shown to be the case with MSN messenger (pretty much killed ICQ) and media player. People will just use whatever is there, as long as it works adequately. There's a limit to how much Google can actually grow, just as Microsoft have found. It's very rare that someone comes up with as innovative product as google's search. I would be surprised if they continued in this manner. Google is already scaring people with their new internet accelerator, soon most people will simply regard them as another annoying large company deperate to applease their shareholders...

Thanks googledot! (4, Funny)

wahgnube (557787) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440159)

From the article: "Indeed, four years have passed since Microsoft released a piece of software that generated the kind of buzz Google seems to generate every month."

No small thanks to our very own googledotdotorg :).

typical Microsoft (2, Interesting)

cahiha (873942) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440162)

This isn't really anything new. Gates embodies a blend of arrogance, ignorance, and intelligence fairly common in the tech community (and really no different from Jobs or McNealy): he thinks he can do everything better, he doesn't know or care what other people have done as long as they aren't on his radar screen as competitors, and he is smart enough to pull it off some time.

Of course, a great deal of luck and a huge war chest is also part of it: Microsoft got away with that sort of behavior for about a decade because they set the standards and because they could pump money into failing projects for as long as it took. It didn't matter whether Windows reinvented the wheel, because Microsoft made all the cars and because Microsoft could outspend everybody else until they got it right.

Will it work again? Perhaps, perhaps not. Microsoft can try to push their search product to market late in the game, with enormous effort and an enormous investment. But that alone isn't enough to unseat Google; they would have to leverage their Windows near-monopoly, but in a way that doesn't attract the attention of regulatory agencies around the world. Good luck.

Re:typical Microsoft (5, Insightful)

bani (467531) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440263)

If there is anything unique about gates, it's his obsessive desire to possess and dominate everything. Jobs and McNealy are content to do a few things well. But gates won't be content until he rules it all. Everything. The whole world.

Its quite funny to see linux, ipod, google, etc drive bill into fits of rage.

Awww, didums (0, Troll)

nagora (177841) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440192)

Did the nasty men make some money without even having to have Grandpa hand them a million bucks when dey was born? Boo fucking hoo, Billy boy.

Just when you thought Gates couldn't be less likable.

TWW

Are they completely out of touch? (5, Insightful)

MullerMn (526350) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440193)

Gates says that when Microsoft is done integrating search into future versions of Windows and Office, the world will look back at the way we are now "Googling" for stuff on the Internet and laugh. "The idea that you type in these words [in the search box] that aren't sentences and you don't get any answers--you just get back all these things you have to click on--that is so antiquated," he says, later adding, "We need to take search way beyond how people think of it today and just have it be naturally available, based on the task they want to do." For example, if you wanted to look up a factoid while you were writing a document, you might search for it without ever leaving Word.

It seems to me that the high-ups at MS are completely out of touch with the real world nowadays. This quote from Gates is just like all their recent releases comparing Longhorn to Tiger.. their perception of what MS's products offer is way inflated from what they actually do, and they seem to be persuading themselves that empty promises of what a future product will do is somehow better than a product which is available here and now, today.

Is there anyone outside of MS that thinks they have the slightest chance of beating Google at the search technology game? Google are far closer to natual language searching than any of MS's efforts, and comparing past trends of how MS promises stack up against reality, I think we can all be sure that by the time MS gets anywhere close to what they're promising here, the competition are going to be offering searching by telepathy from within Duke Nukem Forever.

Geek Gates (1)

Rado.hr (856015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440195)

This is geek part of Bill Gates speaking out. He might be filthy rich and stuff, he can give away money for poor children (as he does), you can praise him or throw stones on him, but don't you try to take his techno-leadership away! :)

Job Advertisements Tell The Truth (5, Insightful)

putko (753330) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440205)

Did you notice that Google appeared on Gates's radar screen when he read their job ads, and saw they were looking for the same sorts of folks as him? That told him they were looking to compete.

I first saw Paul Graham mention this -- he would read the job ads of his competitors. If he saw C++, Oracle, etc. then he knew the people didn't matter (and wouldn't matter).

If he saw Perl, Python, etc. he took notice. [He never saw Common Lisp, of course]

Graham's said that no matter what Mar-Com (marketing communications) bozos have to say, the job ads tell the real story.

hmmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12440222)

we had a saying in primary school, it went something like "sucked in to ya!"

My Favourite Quote: (2, Funny)

md81544 (619625) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440226)

My favourite quote from the article:

In fall 2003, Microsoft briefly considered buying Google, only to realize that even if Brin, Page, and their board could have been persuaded to sell--which seemed unlikely--Microsoft would have been left to explain to the world why it was now running a search engine built entirely on Linux instead of Windows.

LOL

MS is dying... (1)

Stonewolf57 (833593) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440239)

Microsoft is dying. Look between the lines and it's easy to see. Linux and OSS are everyday cutting a sizable chunk out of Windows and MS software as people get sick of crashes, slow loadup times, frequent security holes, badly written programs, and badly produced crap; all the things that make Microsoft Microsoft. Basically right now all of Microsft is hinging around Longhorn. Longhorn doesn't have to be a good OS. It has to be a GREAT OS. Microsoft has to satisfy everyone with Longhorn. They've gotta create a product that will revolutionize the market--again (don't tell me the original GUI windows wasn't a real revolutionizer), but computer OS design has got to take another big step forward and I don't think MS has what it takes to do that. This is just another attempt by Gates to make a company float, that is most assuredly siinnkkkiinnngg. Sorry Bill. Hope you like working at McDonald's.

Kind of a funny parody... (1)

technomancer68 (865695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440244)

I found this not too long ago, it's a google parody and any website you put into it gets converted into Snoop Dog website. Check it out. http://www.gizoogle.com/ [gizoogle.com]

The best comment in the article... (0)

bmalek (855094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440259)

"and send digital photographs using Google's Picasa software, easily the best PC photo software out there;"

Is it just me or was the author a little biased towards Google? Yes, yes, I know everyone is supposed to hate Microsoft (I personally do not), but I would have to say that this statement is a little bit rediculous.

Who Do You Trust (1)

mauriatm (531406) | more than 9 years ago | (#12440273)

There was a time when people blindly "trusted" MS products, assuming they were superior and perfectly trustworthy. Now MS is "evil" and Google is "do no evil". ... Google is a company, out to make money. They are part of corporate America. At the end of the day they care about how much revenue they made. No different than MS.
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