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Firefox Gains on IE Again in June 357

Posted by Zonk from the walk-the-dinosaur dept.
kurtz_tan writes "Infoworld reported that Firefox increased its market share to 8.71 percent, up from 8 percent in May, while IE's share shrank to 86.56 percent from 87.23 percent. This is according to NetApplications.com. Since the beginning of the year, Firefox has increased its market share every month between 0.5 percent and 1 percent, mostly at the expense of IE. This means Firefox would cross the 10% market share by October."
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  • Safari! Woo hoo! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Quiet_Desperation ( 858215 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:24PM (#13078148)
    We're number three! :-)

  • firecow (Score:5, Funny)

    by fred fleenblat ( 463628 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:25PM (#13078153) Homepage
    firefox/firefly I'm getting really confused...

    • Re:firecow (Score:4, Funny)

      by Xugumad ( 39311 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:51PM (#13078328)
      Then you'll hate Firesomething [cosmicat.com]. It randomly re-brands your (Firefox) browser :)
    • firefox/firefly I'm getting really confused...

      Hey, it's not like a CIA Agent [slashdot.org] is googling for your records, hacking your website [slashdot.org] or sending cylons after you [slashdot.org]. So please take it with at least some serenity [slashdot.org], will ya? :)

  • News? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by billieja2 ( 848397 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:25PM (#13078155)
    Is it really news though? I like to see these stats as much as the next guy, but i mean, give me a shout when it hits 25%.

    • Re:News? (Score:3, Funny)

      by tomjen ( 839882 )
      Nah just when it its more than 51 percent, I have to see balmers reaction to that one.
      • It's going to be tough to get even 30%. I know at least 4 people who refuse to run firefox since it comes from a "smaller" organization like mozilla instead of M$. No coincidence that these people are all over 40 years of age. No, I ain't one of them.

      • I host the rather popular Boing Boing [boingboing.net] and for the last two months in a row Firefox has beet IE in viewership (as seen here [boingboing.net]). Now, of course, Boingboing isn't exactly CNN, but it is arguably the world's #1 blog, so it does count for something. :)

    • Re:News? (Score:3, Interesting)

      by KillerBob ( 217953 )
      Ok.... This month's stats on one of the websites I host:

      Browsers Grabber Hits Percent
      MS Internet Explorer No 204332 65 %
      Firefox No 87210 27.7 %

      As compiled by AWStats from the Apache logs. Last update less than an hour ago. Next runner up in that list is Opera, with about 10,000 hits this month. Those numbers are compiled from a total of just over 314,000 "hits" this month. (hits, not visits. a hit is a page/image request)

      I think the numbers are a little leaner than reality, bec

      • Re:News? (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Neil Blender ( 555885 )
        My experience is about the same. Our marketing site, which is aimed at life scientists, is averaging about 25+% firefox.
      • I'm at:
        IE 50%
        Firefox 36.4%
        I only get a couple thousand uniqe IPs a month and 16% of my traffic is from here so make of that what you will.

    • Re:News? (Score:5, Funny)

      by hchaos ( 683337 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:58PM (#13078364)
      Is it really news though? I like to see these stats as much as the next guy, but i mean, give me a shout when it hits 25%.
      I think that the news here is that they anticipate that Firefox's market share will soon become newsworthy.

    • Re:News? (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Conventional wisdom puts the tipping point (where asshat IE-only 'Web developers') have to stop using all the invisible frame garbage, etc., they use in building thin-client IE interfaces at about 15%.

      Some corporate workers who have to use helpdesk software (I think Network Associates Magic is in this list), etc., that only runs correctly with IE will rejoice when that happens.

      At least some banking/credit union application software even requires IE, such as CU software from Summit Information Systems. Bad
    • The only way to get Firefox to 25% is to keep broastcasting about it as often and as loudly as possible. The more often it's written about, the more people will hear about it, look it up, download and install it, and eventually get us to 25%+.

  • Mozilla (Score:4, Interesting)

    by crayz ( 1056 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:25PM (#13078158) Homepage
    Does this combine Mozilla Suite(Seamonkey) & Firefox data, or is it being separated?

  • Browser Threshold (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TruePaige ( 834087 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:27PM (#13078172) Homepage
    Well, as we can see, this starts with the most tech savvy users switching and continues to less tech savvy users, but by the 10% barrier, will enough people be even tech savvy enough to understand that the Big e isn't the internet? That's my major concern right there. People like that are the ones that keep me up at night, fearing for the future of our society that continues to depend more on technology but has less and less understanding of it.
    • No one understands that 'the big e' is not the internet thats why you have to delete the IE icons and force them to use Firefox for a few minutes, show them tabbed browsing and ad blocking, get them addicted to extensions (like foxytunes). It honestly doesnt take too long, unless they are "teh tech saavy" and 'know' how good MicrosoftXP is and name thier computer by its 'model year'. then you have to resort to "Extreme Measures".

      If all else fails and they complain too much put the IE icons back, and allo

    • Re:Browser Threshold (Score:3, Interesting)

      by slapout ( 93640 )
      What about all the people that think AOL is the internet? Are they counted in that (since AOL uses IE)? :-)

    • My solution (Score:5, Funny)

      by CdBee ( 742846 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:59PM (#13078366)
      "This cleanup is free. The next one, if the need for it is caused by bad practice, won't be"

      - follow this up with standard teach-in about browser security, risks posed by using the mainstream browser that is widely targeted, introduction of a different browser that doesn't have these particular problems

      - provide printed sheet about system security for them to read if the teach-in wasn't clear enough

      - install Firefox and AdBlock with a default set of REGEX filters to kill the worst excesses, and suggest they play with NoScript [noscript.net] for ultimate safety, now that the browser-crashing bug that it sometimes triggers has been fixed.
      Bingo

    • Re:Browser Threshold (Score:4, Interesting)

      by nine-times ( 778537 ) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Friday July 15, 2005 @08:37PM (#13078542) Homepage
      See, but the spread of Firefox doesn't really depend on real knowledge. If you're the geek who all your friends depend on, then the next time it comes up, tell each of your friends about how Firefox is sooooo much better, in ways that they don't even understand. Use technical jargon. At the same time, mention how everything bad that happens to their computer is because of IE. The next time they're having a conversation, they'll just channel your disembodied spirit, and they'll tell all their friends about how horrible IE is and about how great Firefox is.

      They don't have to understand it, it'll still spread like an urban myth. In other words, FUD works both ways.

    • Re:Browser Threshold (Score:4, Interesting)

      by stevesliva ( 648202 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @09:54PM (#13078880) Journal
      You're right, of course, but it would be most interesting if a software package such as Firefox could follow the course of the iPod-- be a huge success not because it is a bigger or geekier music player, but because it is a better designed music player, and cool, hip, a status symbol, etc et al whatever. So will Firefox grow just because it is more pleasant? Will it grow becuase it becomes chic?

  • It's easy gain (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:27PM (#13078176)
    When you in single percents it's easy to gain a couple more.

    Linux is gaining on Windows for 14 years now and still is in single digits :-)

    • Re:It's easy gain (Score:2, Informative)

      by KarmaMB84 ( 743001 )
      We're not talking about percent growth. We're talking about gaining a share of the market. If they said their user base grew 1%, that wouldn't be anything to brag about, but gaining 0.5-1% of the entire market per month is quite nice. If the market is growing at the time they are gobbling up market share, that means their previous 8% share had devalued to smaller percentage and that the additional market share they actually gained would be more than 0.71% of the new market size.

  • You can thank me for that... (Score:5, Funny)

    by IcarusMoth ( 631872 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:28PM (#13078182)
    Because I rebrand and reskin Firefox then install it on my clients' computers as "Internet Extreme". My saavier clients like how IEx prevents popups and spyware, and also like that it is from Microsoft so they know they can trust it.
    Ahhh saavy clients...
    • Where's a simple, easy-to-install skin that does that?
      • I used Firesomething [mozilla.org] and deleted all of the extrainious stuff that allowed for random names, photoshopped IE's icon to add orange (fade to gold) flames to the bottom half, left the rest as blue.
        I used the Office 2003 themes from this guy [mozilla.org] to create the look and feel.

        tidied the whole package up into a selfextracting zip archive and with a nifty install script to handle all this crap and bingo bango, Internet Extreme and the clients do love it, If I can find a place to host the package, I will.
    • So you're giving Microsoft the credit for the Firefox team's work? I'm sorry, but this upsets me. The "it is from Microsoft so they know they can trust it" comments did wrestle a chuckle out of me, though. But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, can't you be sued for doing this (by either M$ or Mozilla)? Not that I'd wish that upon you, I'm just bringing it to your attention.

  • I love Firefox but... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ThreeE ( 786934 )
    You get only 8% market share and your main competitors haven't even tried in how many years?

    As soon as MS decides to show up to this party, Firefox will follow the likes of Mosaic. It just isn't profitable for MS to play yet -- they are waiting to be "fashionably late."

    As a MSFT shareholder I am pleased.
    • As a MSFT shareholder I am pleased.

      You forgot "Excellent..."

    • Except you are quite wrong about MS waiting to be "fasionably late".

      They are already "working* on IE. Firefox is the reason your (presumably) beloved XP SP2 has a lot of the features it has. Firefox is the reason longhorn will have IE7 and not a patched IE6. Firefox is the reason IE7 will have "tabbed browsing" (haha... anyway...).

      MS has put many programming hours into IE; the fact that you don't know about it is reason enough to believe MS to be inept.

      No wonder MS isn't worried that much. it has

    • As a MSFT shareholder I am pleased.

      You have a strange sense of pleasure... [yahoo.com]

  • The real test... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by RUFFyamahaRYDER ( 887557 ) <slashdot@kelMOSCOWsdomain.com minus city> on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:29PM (#13078192) Homepage
    The real test will be when the new IE 7 comes out... I predict (and hope) that FireFox will continue to gain even when the "new and improved" IE get's here. http://www.getfirefox.com/ [getfirefox.com]
    • I'm sure IE7 won't take much away from Firefox, at least on XP, but when people upgrade to Longhorn they will probably go back to IE.

      Why? Because most of the people I know that use firefox have it only because people like me get sick of wiping viruses and spyware from thier boxes, so we download FFox, delete thier IE icons, and tell them "You use this for the internet now". Then they smile and nod, and most of them will never know they're using anything different.

      When/If Longhorn comes out, people will c

    • I'm not so sure of that. Oh well, we'll just have to keep installing it on people's computers... I would hope to see some exponential spread, but maybe the conditions which would lead to it doesn't happen very often since even if non computer-savvy people like it they probably won't know how to install it on their friend's PCs...

      On the other hand, I wonder - will the reasons for installing Firefox still be valid when Longhorn comes out? Will IE still attract malware like shit attracts flies? We'll have to

  • I'm asking why (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Exitar ( 809068 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:31PM (#13078202)
    www.w3schools.com changed the way it shows browser statistics?
    They are saying that FF use is decreasing.
    Maybe because Bill is worried about this and...

    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.a sp [w3schools.com]

    • "The browser statistics below were adjusted in July 2005 to reflect page views instead of visits." Might that have to do with it, basically FF users staying a shorter while there. (I for one normally just check and enjoy the statistics...)
    • I'm asking why www.w3schools.com changed the way it shows browser statistics?

      what w3schools can't reliably estimate are the browser stats for sites that draw audiences orders of magnitude larger, sites like amazon or google.

      when fan sites for Harry Potter show 10% running Firefox, then we can talk.

      Maybe because Bill is worried about this and...

      maybe it is time to grow up, throw away the tinfoil hat, and stop using words like bribery and blackmail to explain every bit of bad news that falls your way

    • It may turn around strongly in September or whenever people return to school.
    • That's just browsers hitting the W3Schools web site, which, as they say right at the top of your link, is a "special" website. It is certainly not representative of the entire Internet.
  • ...mostly Mozilla:
    select count(*), browser from activity_log group by browser;
    count | browser
    --------+---------
    278 | OPERA
    239072 | OTHER
    499518 | MOZILLA
    102863 | IE
    It's a hosting site for open source Ruby projects, so it's a different user profile than most sites. But still, word.

    • Word? (Score:2, Funny)

      by tepples ( 727027 )

      But still, word.

      Don't you mean "But still, OO.o writer"?

      • Re:Word? (Score:2, Funny)

        by tcopeland ( 32225 )
        > Don't you mean "But still, OO.o writer"?

        Oh, I was using "word" as an abbreviation for "Abiword", of course! And when I say "I", I mean "GNU/I".

  • What this really means (Score:3, Interesting)

    by concept10 ( 877921 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:31PM (#13078205) Homepage
    As everyday mom and pop users depend on Firefox instead of IE for browsing and more companies support Firefox, more exploits and holes will start to show up. I'm just glad that they update it frequently. Theres nothing like safe and secure browsing. It also means that more people will look to FOSS solutions. I have to admit, Firefox got me started.
    • Firefox is like a gateway drug. It got me hooked on OSS, and not long after I installed FireFox I tried Linux. Only about a month later, I formatted my HDDs and installed only Linux (trying and switching a few distros in the process to find what I like, Ubuntu). Never been happier with my computer.

  • In other news (Score:3, Funny)

    by ZakuSage ( 874456 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:35PM (#13078232)
    A recent study confirms 86.56 percent of computer users have massive amounts of malware on their computer.

  • Even better in Europe (Score:5, Interesting)

    by sl956 ( 200477 ) * on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:37PM (#13078242)

    Please remember that this 8.71 percent comes from a study of mostly north-american websites (NetApplication clients).
    A similar study is done each month in Europe and the figures are quite different:
    Finland 28.96%
    Czech Rep. 24.72%
    Germany 24.18%
    Hungary 20.37%
    Poland 20.13%
    Sweden 15.91%
    Switzerland 15.83%
    France 15.12%
    Austria 14.59%
    Estonia 14.24%
    Greece 14.00%
    Romania 12.73%
    Belgium 12.61%
    U.K. 12.29%
    Ireland 11.64%
    Portugal 11.39%
    Norway 11.20%
    Spain 10.82%
    Italy 10.38%
    Netherland 10.20%
    Monaco 09.08%
    Luxemburg 08.95%
    Danemark 08.48%
    Lituania 03.68%
    src: XiTi [xitimonitor.com]

    • Notice this however (Score:4, Informative)

      by rbarreira ( 836272 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @08:23PM (#13078469) Homepage
      One thing to note - in the end it says this:

      Attention, il est important de noter que cette étude a été effectuée sur un week-end, où l'utilisation de Firefox est toujours plus importante qu'en semaine. La différence demeure importante entre les usages domicile et les usages au bureau (2 à 3 points en moyenne).

      Which roughly means, if my french skills haven't yet totally dissapeared, that the study was made in the weekened, which slighly slants the study because Firefox is more used at people's homes than at work. But the last sentence says the difference between Firefox @ home and @ work is only of 2 or 3%, on average.

  • Ease of use issues (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I read in an article the other day that FireFox was so successful because it automatically imported all the user info, settings, etc. from IE. It also speculated that Linux would have to be able to import all of one's Microsoft settings, info, etc. to become successful.

    I wonder how important someone's browser settings are to them. Am I wrong in thinking that FireFox is gaining market share just because it is easy to download and install and it has a reputation for not getting viruses?

    Anyway, 10% is not

    • Pretty important (Score:3, Interesting)

      by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) *
      For a lot of people thier bookmarks represent a lot of work - work they do not want to go through again.

      I think they were spot-on in saying that's exactly why so many people have been able to adopt Firefox. That's the key term, "able" - it's not a feature that brings them over (you mentioned those), but it's an enabing feature that does not STOP them from switching.

      Similarily I agree that a Linux distro that would copy Windows app settings and emulate, as closely as possible, the users Windows desktop, w

      • Re:Pretty important (Score:2, Redundant)

        by CdBee ( 742846 )
        if you want to prepare the way you could do a lot worse than start by showing Thunderbird and OpenOffice to your friends...

        Thunderbird specifically as no OSS mail app can read Outlook PST files, but if you get the mails converted to (Thunderbird's -open-) mbx format on Windows, then many Linux mail clients can copy the files straight across. FWIW and OT, thunderbird can also be used to convert mail folders for use in Apple Mail with a little work
    • No, you're not thinking badly at all, in my opinion. Which obviously leads to the question - will microsoft try to obfuscate/encrypt/whatever those informations on the next IE version in order to make it difficult for other browsers to import it?
  • This means Firefox would cross the 10% market share by October.

    What effect do you think the release of IE7 (maybe before October) will have on Firefox market share?

    I know the IE haters won't switch. But what about the Firefox users who are using it because it's the latest thing and because of features IE6 doesn't have but IE7 will(tabbed browsing, RSS reader, etc.)?
    • Most of the 'fox users I know user it primarily because of security as opposed to the featureset. But once you use it, and see the nifty new features, it's a nice bonus.
      Even if IE adds in those features, how many Firefox users will trust it?
    • Are there people out there like that?

      Honestly, in the last few months I've gone from saying "Whatever." to the people who use IE to saying that I won't help them with ANYTHING until they dump IE. ...and, they are leery at first. They say "Oh. Tabs are kind of neat", and "Sure, it's keeping out spyware, but will it work with my bank web site?" (generally it does, these days... thank you Safari!)

      And then I show them the power of adblock and a decent set of preferences. This is something that IE will *never*
    • Bleeding edgers will switch back when Firefox adds more features, which will likely be within six months of the release of IE7. And Microsoft will either desperately copy Moz/Opera/Safari to win them back, or they'll sit on IE7 for 6 years while Firefox percentages continue to rise.

  • Statistics and Trends (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:53PM (#13078340)
    Since the beginning of the year, Firefox has increased its market share every month between 0.5 percent and 1 percent, mostly at the expense of IE. This means Firefox would cross the 10% market share by October.

    No, that doesn't mean anything. If the trend continues then Firefox will cross the 10% threshold, but in order to determine whether that will realistically happen, one has to examine the underlying reasons for the current trend.

    What are those factors? My guess would be that home users are continuing to adopt Firefox in favor of IE, and so I think it would be fair to say that it is likely that Firefox's growth will continue.

    However, I think Firefox will hit a stumbling block when it comes to the edge of "business workstation" browser territory. Unlike the article predicts, I don't think Firefox will begin to take over, and at that point one could expect the growth trend to slow as the home user region alone becomes saturated (whether that will happen before or after 10%--probably after--is uncertain).

    IE is too well integrated into the operating system and works too well within the Windows environment for it to be displaced. When a company admin wants to lock down users to limited access so that they spend their time working and not surfing the Internet, why install Firefox?

    At my office the Internet access is controlled by Websense. I use a limited number of applications (Outlook and proprietary software) in order to do my job. There is no need to upgrade/replace IE with Firefox because I don't visit unsafe sites, I don't need a lower impact browser, and I don't need Firefox's features. To install another browser (trust me, I would love to get Opera on there myself) would, in all aspects, unneeded.

    It's going to take a lot more than the current advantages of Firefox for the browser to supplant IE in the workplace, and there's no telling where IE7 will move the standards (hah!) bar. In a business environment, there's a huge advantage given to that whole integrated-browser-into-the-OS thing.
    • However, I think Firefox will hit a stumbling block when it comes to the edge of "business workstation" browser territory.

      I don't know, "Work Offline" comes in pretty handy in my office hehe.
  • Don't such small percentages usually represent different polls, logs etc.?
    Much as I want FF to do so, so well, I don't actually see it ever becoming a dominant force.
    Aiming at 10 pc is great but imagine one in ten people using FF. Doesn't sound much, eh?
    Before we know it we'll have IE7 and people will be even less inclined to switch. We may even see the some going back to a pop-up blocking, ActiveX disabled, tab-enabled IE.
    I think FF's place in history will be remembered as the OS browser that bought th

  • 100% by only 2013! (Gotta love math). Death to IE! (Score:5, Funny)

    by wernst ( 536414 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:58PM (#13078361) Homepage
    Firefox has increased its market share every month between 0.5 percent and 1 percent, mostly at the expense of IE. This means Firefox would cross the 10% market share by October.

    Of course, this means that (assuming 1% growth per month for easy math):

    14% by Jan 2006
    26% by Jan 2007
    38% by Jan 2008
    50% by Jan 2009
    62% by Jan 2010
    74% by Jan 2011
    86% by Jan 2012
    98% by Jan 2013
    100% by Mar 2013

    Sounds about right: no more IE in only 8 short years. The math couldn't possibly be wrong...

    • Woohoo!!
      We'll be the first to break the 100% barrier.

      Fellow geeks -- it doesn't get any better than this. When we cross the 100% barrier, the sky is the limit, I tell ya!

    • In 2008, longhorn will be released and will not run firefox. The Longhorn GUI will be based on IE, meaning that there will be zero difference between finding a directory and typing in a website. Everything, be in on your computer, or across the world, will go through MSN. MS will offer free services to anyone can prove, through DRM, that are using IE, and decline those services to the rest of the world.

      It will take six months for firefox to make the changes needed to work with Longhorn. In that time e

      • You definitely do NOT have a Math degree. (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Dark Coder ( 66759 ) on Saturday July 16, 2005 @01:27AM (#13079755)
        WHOA! Most faulty!

        Since there are 60% Windows 2000 out there, and 11% Windows 98SE too!

        Your Longhorn will at best put a 1% dent in the first year (or whats left of a year).

        Not enough to stop the steady but absolutely sure eroding slide of Internet Explod^Hrer's market share.

        The only way out the Microsoft conudrum is to FIX INTERNET EXPLORER right the first time, on all Windows platforms (oh, and Mac as well; Oh, didn't IE appear on Sun/OS?).

        Any economist can tell you that when your infrastructure is eroding due to lack of maintenance, it will REACH the point of no-return due to inaction.

        Larger the infrastructure or user-installed base, the larger the inertia of motion required to change the tide. Me think, this is what occurred to IE.
    • Well, so when will it get to 200%? That would be a real achievement.

  • Here is to hoping (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mfloy ( 899187 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:58PM (#13078362) Homepage
    The only issue here is if the momentum will keep going strong, or will they lose focus or face obstacles? One of their main advantages is security, but with popularity comes more people trying to penetrate security.

  • Opera stats still hidden (Score:4, Interesting)

    by takeya ( 825259 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @07:59PM (#13078368) Journal
    I'm still waiting for the day when Opera releases a version of their browser that identifies by default as Opera instead of IE. It will be really interesting to see how much this impacts both IE's and Opera's market stats.

    • Re:Opera stats still hidden (Score:4, Informative)

      by jmlsteele ( 618769 ) * <jmlsteele&stfu,ca> on Saturday July 16, 2005 @02:34AM (#13079936)
      Not entirely. Some scripts will actually detect Opera as IE when spoofing, but any decent stats program will detect it properly as Opera.

      Here are the HTTP_USER_AGENT lines for Opera for the various Identity methods.

      Opera: Opera/8.01 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en)
      Mozilla: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en) Opera 8.01
      IE: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; en) Opera 8.01

      As you can clearly see "Opera" is mentioned in all 3, including the version number.

  • Exclusivity? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SeventyBang ( 858415 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @08:11PM (#13078424)


    Do the statistics allow for overlap; i.e.people who use multiple browsers? I realize that may be a small percentage, but if the published numbers are going to be to the second decimal point, it's got to weigh in there somewhere.

    Those of us who use three (or more), either in regular use or for the purposes of testing - and just get accustomed to using multiples - should factor somewhere.


  • How about the numbers for all gecko browsers? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Sark666 ( 756464 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @08:18PM (#13078455)
    In addition to ff, the moz suite, epiphany, galeon, kmelon. Probably wouldn't add that much to the total as a couple of those are X only but still, would be interesting.

    And I think that's the point of what firefox brings to the table. Some people like to say IE sucks FF rulez!!!

    But the great thing about ff is that as it gains marketshare, since it adheres to standards, in the end it won't matter what browser you use as long as it conforms to the standard.

    So in the end it won't matter if you use, konqueror, safari, opera, ff, etc. You know, kind of how it was meant to be.

  • Hey, you're missing some numbers there. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Stankatz ( 846709 ) on Friday July 15, 2005 @09:48PM (#13078857)
    ...IE's share shrank to 86.56 percent from 87.23 percent.
    I think that's supposed to be 86.563348237 percent from 87.23172395 percent. Also, someone should invent a symbol that stands for "percent" so we wouldn't have to spell it out every time.
  • Has anyone else noticed that more and more sites are cropping up that "penalize" users that use IE? Note that I'm not talking about a site that refuses to support css hacks or throws up a "please upgrade" javascript window -- I'm talking about deliberately serving out degraded pages when it detects you are using IE (or refusing to show anything at all). Here are two examples

    Stuff and Nonsense [stuffandnonsense.co.uk], A an otherwise good design/usability blog, Uses javascript to swap turn all images black and white, displays
  • Anyone have a form e-mail for companies that choose to make IE only web sites? I've replied to a couple of these companies without a whole lot of success. Not thinking that one e-mail will make much of a difference, but thinking that maybe someone has written one more persuasively than I did...

  • Microsoft has fairly recently released a toolbar [msn.com] for IE that includes tabbed browsing and Desktop search. I've been a dedicated Firefox user for the last few years, but I can tell that the stats are going to shift back towards IE really fast when IE 7 is released with many commonly-used Firefox/Opera/etc features integrated, especially if MS releases it for XP too.
  • Firefox has increased its market share every month between 0.5 percent and 1 percent, mostly at the expense of IE. This means Firefox would cross the 10% market share by October."

    And by this logic, it will have 105% market share by 2021 at the latest.

    That will rock!

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