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Gmail Becomes Google Mail in the UK

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the well-thats-just-a-pain dept.

Google 337

akadruid writes "As of today, UK Gmail users are seeing 'Google Mail' at the top of their Gmail accounts, and Google is warning they may lose their '@gmail.com' addresses in the future. All new signups from the UK will be assigned '@googlemail.com' addresses, and existing accounts will be able to use either domain for now. Gmail's help pages explain this is related to their ongoing dispute regarding the Gmail trademark."

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I hate these freeloaders (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825531)

Trying to cash in on google's reputation. It is most disgraceful

IIIR used the gmail name since 2002 (3, Informative)

grandmofftarkin (49366) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825563)

They were using it for a web-mail application targetted at investors in currency derivatives. Since that was 3 years ago and they have a business around it I would hardly call them freeloaders.

Google should have checked this stuff out before rolling aout the name around the world.

Re:IIIR used the gmail name since 2002 (5, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825587)

> Google should have checked this stuff out before rolling aout the name around the
> world.

They're not rolling it out - Gmail is still in beta.

Re:IIIR used the gmail name since 2002 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825643)

+1000000, insightful

The Register article has more information. (1)

grandmofftarkin (49366) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825601)

Sorry I should have linked to my source. The Register has an article on this [theregister.co.uk] with a bit more background.

Re:IIIR used the gmail name since 2002 (3, Informative)

SimilarityEngine (892055) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825718)

According to the BBC [bbc.co.uk] IIIR did not already own the TM before Google announced their version of Gmail:

After Google announced its Gmail plans in spring 2004, IIIR rushed to register the Gmail trademark with Ohim, the European Union's trademark office, and the US Patent and Trademark Office.

Re:IIIR used the gmail name since 2002 (2, Informative)

jschrod (172610) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825883)

They owned the trademark, but did not register it before.

There is the difference between TM and (r), you know?

I have several projects where I haven't bothered to register any trademark for. If a giant like Google or Yahoo would announce a project with the same name, I would be quick to register my existing trademark, too. After all, they exist and are established and I don't want to loose them. Every business would do so, everything else would be neglection.

Re:I hate these freeloaders (4, Funny)

bodger_uk (882864) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825607)

Any large corporation would / should search before they use a name. Given that the German company had a TM registration application in 2000 and the UK company has been providing service under that name since 99 then opportunism does not come into it. It is likely that they raised objections as soon as Google launched their service but it has only just come to a head and been made public. Maybe if Google had used a well known search engine before launch it would have shown the name already in use.

Re:I hate these freeloaders (1)

Itchy Rich (818896) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825702)

Any large corporation would / should search before they use a name.

Agreed. It doesn't look good, and it pisses off users. If my email address changes I'll probably move to Yahoo.

Re:I hate these freeloaders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825875)

Yes, because changing your email address from onelamedude@gmail.com to onelamedude@googlemail.com is so much less convenient than changing it to onelamedude69@yahoo.com. What are you, a fucking idiot?

Re:I hate these freeloaders (3, Informative)

gilesparsons (919174) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825609)

I don't think they're trying to cash in; rather, they registered the name a couple of years before google started using it, and it would have been far more sensible for google to examine the international legal status of the trademark before launching it. the guardian ran a story about it a month ago: http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,156 8222,00.html?gusrc=rss [guardian.co.uk]

Re:I hate these freeloaders (0, Troll)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825779)

Here's their website [iirgroup.com] . Contact them(salesinfo@iirgroup.com) and tell them.

Value of Gmail brand (1)

ganache (862322) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825814)

IIIR boss Shane Smith points to an independent valuation of the brand, compiled in December 2004 by Valuation Consulting Limited, which suggests a value of between $48m and $64m, although he says his company would have settled for much less.

And how much of this valuation is due to Google's use of the name?

and what about googlemail? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825541)

Somebody might have copyrighted that too?

uh oh... (-1, Offtopic)

jigjigga (903943) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825549)

GOHNOES!

Yep (0, Offtopic)

Skynet (37427) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825550)

And that's why Gmail still says "BETA" at the top.

Re:Yep (2, Funny)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825828)

Granted, whoever wins claim to 'GMail' is going to have some extra SMTP traffic to deal with ;-)

FAQ-ing confusing (5, Funny)

eyeoftheidol (651095) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825551)

Anyone else confused by the FAQ? Q4 and Q5 are the same ("What if I'm a UK user who already has a Gmail address?") but the answer is different! Am I missing something? ....

Re:FAQ-ing confusing (1)

mysticwhiskey (569750) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825582)

Yep, same here - it does seem confusing. Any insight, gmail (sorry googlemail :) staff?

Re:FAQ-ing confusing (-1, Troll)

kcidymkcus (922839) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825608)

Well let's take a look here, insight, insight...ah yes here it is the problem is that your fisting activities have overstretched your asshole hence the shitting in your pants. Not to worry, your mom will still suck your dick even with shit all over your tiny balls.

Re:FAQ-ing confusing (1)

Kazzahdrane (882423) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825596)

I too was confused by this. I switched over to using Gmail as my primary e-mail account in the summer, I'd hate to have to go to all the websites I visit and change my stored address AGAIN...when this time I wouldn't be getting anything new for all the bother.

Re:FAQ-ing confusing (1)

trash eighty (457611) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825631)

likewise but hopefully existing users won't have to change, it would be pointless anyway. if its ok that i use gmail.com in another country what difference does it makes if i use it in the UK?

No more changing your email (3, Insightful)

alexo (9335) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825690)


> I'd hate to have to go to all the websites I visit and change my stored address AGAIN...
> when this time I wouldn't be getting anything new for all the bother


Given the rock bottom prices of domain names [yahoo.com] nowadays, you should never have to change your email address again.

Re:No more changing your email (1)

Kazzahdrane (882423) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825764)

I actually had my own domain for two years, it expired a couple of weeks back. However, I'd stopped using it for e-mail months ago. The spam load was unbearable. And this was with Thunderbird and it's "intelligent" spam filter. I think spam will likely fill any e-mail address I get, might as well get one with a massive inbox that I don't have to pay for. And yes, I have tried to be more careful with giving out my address, seems to be working so far :)

Re:No more changing your email (2, Interesting)

dema (103780) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825847)

I think spam will likely fill any e-mail address I get...

That's why you get a domain and create/delete as many emails as you please. I have one primary email that is almost entirely spam free and two or three others that I use when I sign up for "shady" stuff. Not to mention the probably 50 or so I've created and deleted for one time use (:

Re:No more changing your email (1)

Kazzahdrane (882423) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825902)

Problem being when I signed up for the domain I got a 10meg inbox or something. Spam fills that up pretty fast if you're away for a few days. But yeah you're right, if I went about it with any sense I could have a domain and not die from spam. But I like Gmail anyway, it's got nice colours!

Re:No more changing your email (1)

egriebel (177065) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825863)

Yeah, the domain is cheap at 2.99/year, but only when you buy hosting as well, which runs at around $10/month. $120/yr for a domain name is hardly cheap. But, GoDaddy does (or at least did) offer cheap domain names and mail forwarding inexpensively. And there's always pobox.com for life-long e-mail addresses.

Re:FAQ-ing confusing (1)

The Cydonian (603441) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825650)

The way I read it, they seem to be saying that while they can't guarantee the continuation of their gmail domain, existing gmail users won't see any change.

So if you have registered, say, david.brent@gmail.com, you won't be forced by Google to change it to david.brent@googlemail.com for now. But since there is a possibility of Google losing the lawsuit, they can't guarantee it will last.

Re:FAQ-ing confusing (1)

Kazzahdrane (882423) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825668)

I guess if this is all sorted nicely and I don't have to lose my gmail.com suffix I can celebrate by doing the David Brent dance :D

Re:FAQ-ing confusing (4, Informative)

bedroll (806612) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825693)

Q4:
What if I'm a UK user who already has a Gmail address? Will that address ever change?
Unfortunately, we don't know. We would love to say that your address will always remain the same. But the trademark issue is still unsettled, and unfortunately, we cannot predict what the other party or the courts might do here. You can always use your same username with an @googlemail.com address to avoid this issue later on. But trust that we will do the best we can to make sure your email address won't ever have to change.

Translation: They cannot guarantee that your address won't change if you have an existing account and are allowed to continue using the gmail.com domain.

Q5:

What if I'm a UK user who already has a Gmail address? Will I also need to change that address?
No, this change doesn't affect existing Gmail addresses. For now, our plan is only to issue @googlemail.com addresses to new users. Trust that we will do the best we can to offer all our users a reliable and consistent email experience.

Translation: You don't need to change your address right now if you have an existing account that is allowed to use the gmail.com domain. New accounts will not be issued gmail.com email addresses, in favor of googlemail.com.

They are very close, but there's just enough difference to make them both valuable questions and answers.

Re:FAQ-ing confusing (1)

bedroll (806612) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825766)

They are very close, but there's just enough difference to make them both valuable questions and answers.

I hate to reply to myself, but I realize now that I left that post a bit unfinished. The parent had said that the questions were the same. I paid more attention to interpreting the question and answer pairs as whole objects.

To reply to the original charge that the questions are the same: They are not. One deals with now, the other deals with the future. "Will that address ever change?" is a question about the future of an email address. "Will I also need to change that address?" is a question about the present.

These two sentences look similar, but examining them closer shows they have different intent. I think it would clear things up a lot if they changed "Will I also need to change that address?" to "Do I also need to change that address?"

I work internationally (3, Interesting)

danormsby (529805) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825553)

So I can pretend I'm not from the UK to avoid the issue? Sure I registered in the UK but I work all over the world. I'm working in Sweden this week. If I leave a proxy running out here and connect through that will I keep my gmail address?

I didn't know Google even kept a geographical address for my gmail account. Doesn't appear when I search for it!

Re:I work internationally (2, Insightful)

FinestLittleSpace (719663) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825576)

if you already have one you don't 'lose' the address. I'm a UK user and it's still @gmail.com ....

I am worried that they may be forced to change ALL addresses to googlemail thjough..

Re:I work internationally (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825616)

> if you already have one you don't 'lose' the address. I'm a UK user and it's
> still @gmail.com

Have you even read the FAQ?

---
4. What if I'm a UK user who already has a Gmail address? Will that address ever change?
Unfortunately, we don't know. We would love to say that your address will always remain the same. But the trademark issue is still unsettled, and unfortunately, we cannot predict what the other party or the courts might do here.
---

> I am worried that they may be forced to change ALL addresses to googlemail
> thjough..

Even those outside the jurisdiction of the UK?

Re:I work internationally (1)

FinestLittleSpace (719663) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825663)

Yes, so I'm talking about right *now*. I haven't lost it and for the forseeable future, I won't lose it.

And no, just those in the UK jurisdiction.

Re:I work internationally (3, Interesting)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825760)

Unless a UK court issues a decision against Google that also requires everyone else in the world to switch from the current DNS system to one that will easily allow Google to own the "gmail.com" domain everywhere except the UK and someone else to use it inside the UK, then yes, having them stop using the domain in the UK will probably mean they stop using it everywhere.

I imagine the change now in the UK has a lot more to do with their right to market their service in the UK as "Gmail", rather than any anticipated future technical problems with using "gmail" in their URL.

On the other hand, it's been quite some time since they started redirecting any web traffic from gmail.com to mail.google.com, so it is possible they're expecting to lose the domain altogether. But if so, it seems foolish to keep giving non-UK users new gmail.com addresses.

Re:I work internationally (1)

manojar (875389) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825772)

It will probably be something like what yahoo and hotmal do. When Yahoo introduced localised addresses, they did not move the existing users. Only new users were given the localised addresses based on the country selected during sign-up.

trademark law can be a real c**t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825556)

when you end up on the wrong side of it.

Quick! (2, Funny)

semaj (172655) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825558)

Someone from the US login to my account so they don't think I'm in the UK!
Username: semaj
Password: onlyjoking
Seriously: I wonder what criteria they'll use to decide if someone is "in" the UK or not?

Re:Quick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825583)

James, proxy, stat! (Use gmaillite if you're really paranoid)

Re:Quick! (1)

Kawahee (901497) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825606)

I'm guessing they'd be using your IP and doing a lookup of where it is in the world. Try it [ip2location.com] .

Re:Quick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825653)

IP addresses, obviously.

Definition of "in?" (2, Funny)

portscan (140282) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825817)

Well that all depends on what the definition of "is" is...

It's nice to see this (3, Insightful)

Kawahee (901497) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825568)

As much as I think people are going to hate it and find it inconvenient, it's nice to see Google handling this without any backstabbing and lawyers and the like. Unlike Microsoft which is going to muscle the "Windows Vista" name through IPO despite the fact that "Vista Windows" and "Vista Blinds" already have a very similiar name registered, and their office is just down the adjoining road from 1 Microsoft Way.

Not all lawyers are backstabbing... (1)

quibbler (175041) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825914)

I'm in law school. I'm a geek. Using lawyers to handle a jackass company (gmail trademark holder) is not backstabbing, its exactly what lawyers are for. The think about trademarks is that that its old law. It doesn't recognize the concept of a world-wide information network at all. If google loses this one, frankly its a result of lawyers not using the correct arguments to the court(s) involved. (What should be put forward is the vast balance of people greatly inconvenienced versus the "I got here first" doctrine that has traditionally prevailed in trademark cases.

Hmmm... (5, Funny)

jolyonr (560227) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825570)

I hear they wanted 25 million GBP (over $40 million) for the gmail name in the UK.

Did they trademark 'BlackMail' too?

Jolyon

Re:Hmmm... (2, Funny)

Astatine210 (528456) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825698)

Maybe someone had patented "Checking whether someone had trademarked a name before you use it" and was asking for £26m before Google could use it.

Re:Hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825804)

Probably the same person who trademarked patent squatting.

Re:Hmmm... (2, Funny)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825720)

No, i believe that's an open standard.

Gmail Notifier got too much? (2, Interesting)

Spitfire15 (896735) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825571)

I just went onto Firefox this morning and found out, that it needed an update. I installed it, and just got me loads of mail messages, which were already read. Ouch! I said. So I found out that UK users have a different address than their usual one.

So much for (4, Funny)

w.p.richardson (218394) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825572)

"Archive, don't delete"...

Kind of a moot point when you lose the email address.

Do no evil, and ignore the courts (2, Interesting)

Umuri (897961) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825574)

Google obviously thinks they are going to win this case or else wouldn't they want to extend googlemail to all sections of the globe? I mean aren't trademarks protected internationally, so someone couldn't just make mickey mouse entertainment somewhere in china? All in all i think it's nothing to worry about, the UK's court systems are a TAD more sane when dealing with common sense issues....

Re:Do no evil, and ignore the courts (2, Interesting)

FinestLittleSpace (719663) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825593)

AFAIK, you have to register them for each different country 1 by one, but you CAN do blanket policies. something like that...

Re:Do no evil, and ignore the courts (5, Interesting)

Motherfucking Shit (636021) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825614)

Google obviously thinks they are going to win this case or else wouldn't they want to extend googlemail to all sections of the globe?
They've already done so. Email sent to username@googlemail.com will be delivered to username@gmail.com, regardless of where the account owner lives. If you have an existing GMail account, try sending yourself an email at username@googlemail.com. You'll get the message.

Anyone who's still unconvinced that this is fully transparent,

dig mx gmail.com
dig mx googlemail.com

Re:Do no evil, and ignore the courts (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825742)

While you're right about @gmail.com == @googlemail.com (tested and confirmed), I just thought you might like to know that having the same mx records just means both domains are served by the same server, not that it necessarily implies redirection.

Re:Do no evil, and ignore the courts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825628)

Mickey Mouse is copyrighted, not trademarked, and besides MM is one of Disney's minions, and they don't play by the same rules.
  In any case, trademarks are, AFAIK, per country and usually restricted to a domain (for example, you could have a drink Coca-Cola and a shoe brand Coca-Cola, except in some cases when the trademark is global, like with Coca-Cola :P ).

Re:Do no evil, and ignore the courts (1)

FinestLittleSpace (719663) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825646)

Correct. You have to place your trademark in specific categories.

gmail - googlemail gateway? (2, Interesting)

Dan East (318230) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825588)

Couldn't they keep the gmail.com addresses, and simply require the users to access them via googlemail.com? So all the UK user would see is someone@googlemail.com, although anyone could still email them them as someone@gmail.com.

If so this isn't nearly as big an issue at it would seem.

Dan East

Re:gmail - googlemail gateway? (1)

The Cydonian (603441) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825675)

Yup, that's how I understood it, but I think the interesting part here, really, is that Google itself seems to be unsure of its legal victory. Remains to be seen how Google will handle existing gmail ID's if and when it really loses.

What are they doing with the trademark? (2, Interesting)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825589)

What I want to know is what the other party is doing with their trademark. If they built an email service, and had millions of people relying on it, I'd understand, but if the trademark owner isn't doing anything with the name, I'd say give it to google. I hope the court takes into consideration the confusion this will bring to all these people with email addresses, and takes a look at the few, if any people who are currently confused because of the original trademark holder.

Re:What are they doing with the trademark? (1)

Quaryon (93318) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825707)


What I want to know is what the other party is doing with their trademark. If they built an email service, and had millions of people relying on it, I'd understand, but if the trademark owner isn't doing anything with the name, I'd say give it to google. I hope the court takes into consideration the confusion this will bring to all these people with email addresses, and takes a look at the few, if any people who are currently confused because of the original trademark holder.


The other company uses the name for a web-based email client. They registered the name in 2002. Much as I like Google, they're in the wrong this time.

Q.

Other company has had an email service since 2002 (4, Informative)

grandmofftarkin (49366) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825716)

They are using it for an email service [theregister.co.uk] already and have done since 2002. They don't have millions of users but I don't think that should matter as long as they do (and did) provide a viable email service of the same name.

Re:Other company has had an email service since 20 (1)

SimilarityEngine (892055) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825874)

I mentioned this somewhere earlier, but... IIIR have been using the name since 2002, but did not register it with the EU's trademark office, or the USPTO, until after Google announced their Gmail idea. Source [bbc.co.uk] .

Abbreviation (3, Insightful)

notthe9 (800486) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825590)

I really don't see why the gmail.com URL cannot just be an abbreviation of the name of the service: Google Mail. If this company wanted gmail.com, they should have bought it. They did not, leaving it up to any kind of service to legally use it with their own, non-infringing service.

Re:Abbreviation (2, Insightful)

Comboman (895500) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825911)

If this company wanted gmail.com, they should have bought it.

They're only operating in the UK so they bought http://www.gmail.co.uk/ [gmail.co.uk] instead (before google bought gmail.com). One of the biggest problems with the current DNS system is that if you register http://www.nasa.gov/ [nasa.gov] it doesn't stop someone else from buying http://www.nasa.net/ [nasa.net] , http://www.nasa.com/ [nasa.com] , http://www.nasa.org/ [nasa.org] , or whatever. Time to get rid of top level domains altogether.

Is Google String in the pipeline??? (3, Funny)

jkrise (535370) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825594)

Time to trademark G-string...
-

Re:Is Google String in the pipeline??? (2, Funny)

hotdiggitydawg (881316) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825792)

Personally, I'm looking to see if there's a trademark for G-Spot, but if it exists I can't find it...

links and background info (5, Informative)

cyclomedia (882859) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825600)

quick google search (heh) turned up this:

http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3 394361 [internetnews.com]

suggesting that a bunch of people attempted to register gmail as a trademark at the same time back in march/april 2004, including google who were a bit slow off the bat. this applies in the US and i assume it's been resolved, anybody?

as for the uk this guardian article

http://technology.guardian.co.uk/online/news/0,125 97,1568223,00.html?gusrc=rss [guardian.co.uk]

suggests that the company registered it waaaay back in 2002, therefore not qualifying for bandwaggoning and actually probably having a legit claim.

Re:links and background info (1)

gunpowda (825571) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825819)

I'm assuming this must relate in some way to the people who have registered gmail.co.uk, which is now a placeholder page, but wasn't always (I've mistyped it a few times...) According to archive.org, they've had nothing but login pages for a year. [tinyurl.com]

From one of the links in parent's post:

An independent valuation report commissioned last year by IIIR put a value of between £25m and £34m on the Gmail trademark.

Ironically, this is probably a price augmentation in reverse. It's only really valuable because of Google's cachet and advertising power, which makes it a bit strange that they're using such an absurd value to justify their need for compensation!

No problem at all (for now) (3, Informative)

xtracto (837672) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825603)

I read the article from BBC news [bbc.co.uk] before this morning. It seems they have lost against IIIR, who wanted an "exorbitant quantity of money" for the name.

And so, this change is the second one (after they changed the name in Germany). It seems this company (IIIR) thought of a "great" plan to make money uh?

Anyway, from the article and Gmail site, current users do not have anything to fear, and of course you can always change your country location when you sign up and get an actual gmail account.

On a side note, I guess 90% of pepople on slashdot already knew that, as they certainly have gmail...

email through webmail companies (1)

brechmos (679454) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825605)

It has always made me nervous having an email address which I can not control. Gmail is great, by far the best I have seen out there, and I do use it, but my main email address is through a domain I own. Hopefully, that way there is less chance of this type of thing happening.

The other thing that never made much sense to me was the fact that of the millions (or more) of people using email, why restrict it to just <somebody>@gmail.com. There have been many calls for gmail to allow MX records pointing at them so that I can do <me>@<mydomain>.<tld> (which I do think would be great) and it would allow for more people to use the Gmail interface.

Just my thoughts.

Re:email through webmail companies (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825656)

There have been many calls for gmail to allow MX records pointing at them so that I can do @.

Meanwhile you can do what I have done and foreward all your messages from all of your accounts to gmail.

I did this with my universities accounts (they gave me 2 emails, one from the University and one from the department, and messages arrive to both of them). As for webmail services that do not allow (free) forwarding [spell?] you should just ignore them.

On a side note, I have never used an offline email client, I see that a lot of people complain about webmail and preffer installable clients, but for me I preffer a web based email because that way I do not have to configure the client each time I want to check my mail from a computer.

And, besides [as we all know] gmail [whoops, Google Mail] features are quite nice and blah blah.

Again (1)

EwokMolester (918844) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825622)

Great now I have to change my email address AGAIN.

Ouch ... (1)

notanotheridiot (828950) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825625)

Oh well, i for one will be checking out the competition. Its a pity - I use loads of google services, maybe yahoo will get my click from now.

Re:Ouch ... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825850)

having an @GoogleMail.co.uk in your email address is so much worse than @Yahoo.co.uk...why exactly? Can't you spell Google? Is the Google name not known well enough? Does your email not arrive? Or will changing your email address to a totally different company confuse your contacts less somehow?

branded addresses (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825638)

If google would offer a branded email address service, they could stand to make a lot of money. I.E., I would like to see them offer email service for mycompanyurl.com. MX records would have to point to google servers, addresses get masqueraded when people send. Presto, I no longer have to maintain any email infrastructure.

Of course, companies with confidentiality/privacy concerns might be loath to adopt this; but for others, it could be great.

Thankfully... (3, Informative)

cianduffy (742890) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825647)

Google understands the difference between the UK [google.co.uk] and Ireland [google.ie] , meaning I get to keep a gmail.com addy even if the UK is made go to googlemail.com

Unlike Microsoft, who now offer you a hotmail.co.uk adress if you say you're in Ireland.

Exactly why it's better to stick with Hotmail or (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825670)

This is exactly why it is better to stick with Hotmail or Yahoo!. Well, not so much Yahoo! cause they have got security issues I think that are currently unresolved.

Personally, I don't like GMail when using it. It has done some great good though. It's forced competitors to step up to the plate and offer similar packages.

Re:Exactly why it's better to stick with Hotmail o (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825747)

I have a Hotmail account but is in the middle of moving all my contacts to gmail. Now I have to re-do that just becoz some company wants money? I want them to pay me damages for me and my contacts wasted time. I charge $1000/second.

Re:Exactly why it's better to stick with Hotmail o (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825800)

And it this really effected you you would be asking for £1000/second. If you are going to troll at least think out your response!

Crap! (1)

CrazyTalk (662055) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825676)

Just when I was finally hoping I'd have an "email address for life", Google goes ahead and changes it (at least in the UK) after I've had it less than a year!

Learn some geography, google! (1)

rmccann (792082) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825677)

Ireland is *not* in the United Kingdom!

Re:Learn some geography, google! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825798)

Only the Irish believe that.

Switching domain is never good. (2, Insightful)

Destoo (530123) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825710)

Our email service stays the same no matter what the logo is or what follows the @ symbol. This change lets our team focus their time on continuing to bring you excellent service.

It may not seem like much, but we lost a lot of business when the address @ibm.net switched to @attglobal.net

Same would happen with a change from @gmail.com to anything longer.

Re:Switching domain is never good. (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825787)

Wouldn't the same thing have happened if you switched to a shorter domain as well? I would think that the loss of business would have been because everyone had your-company@ibm.net in their address books, so when that address went away you effectively disappeared.

People keep address books for freakishly long times, judging by how many wrong-number calls I get at home for the same business that used to have the number many years ago.

So, who... (2, Funny)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825739)

Who's that lovely company who dared to stand up against the evil giant? Give us the name and address so we could send them our love!

Privacy issues? (4, Insightful)

zonix (592337) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825743)

Hmm. If Google have to give up gmail.com, then whoever gets the domain instead would be able to receive a shit load of people's private e-mails?

z

Re:Privacy issues? (4, Funny)

generic-man (33649) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825811)

That's okay. All the really important e-mail has a disclaimer at the bottom noting that it is for the intended recipients only. That makes it illegal for another person to read it. If another person reads it, they have to notify the sender and delete the message.

/me takes tongue out of cheek

Re:Privacy issues? (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825822)

And that's why you should always encrypt your emails.

Re:Privacy issues? (1)

zonix (592337) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825888)

And that's why you should always encrypt your emails.

That would certainly help, but how about newsletters you get from, say, Amazon? That would indicate to strangers that you have an account there, and they'd probably be able to use the standard "I forgot my password" service retrieve the password. Fun!

Lesson? Don't sign up for newsletters!

z

@googlemail.com address may be a collector's item (2, Interesting)

MCRocker (461060) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825749)


If this legal dispute goes Google's way, then they'll probably discontinue the practise of handing out @googlemail.com addresses, but will likely keep existing ones active. As a result, having one of those rare email addresses might actually have some caché amongst the technorati. I'm sure that someone will try to sell an @googlemail.com address for big bucks on eBay.

kfri5t stop (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13825758)

schemes. FranklyF are almost another cunting CONVERSATIONS WHERE that has grown up and personal represents the

The trademark registrations (5, Interesting)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825773)

Show Google filing 6 months before anyone else [patent.gov.uk] in the UK.

Now, just because they registered first doesn't mean that another company wasn't already using it as a de facto trade mark, but it does occur to me that the value of the mark should be determined by what it was before Google started using it, not what it's worth now. That the other claimant has a total market value of £3.24m ($5.6m) should be an indication that the GMail mark isn't worth "$48m to $64m" as they claim.

Huh? Two Answers To The Same Question (0, Redundant)

intrinsicchaos (652706) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825790)

From TFA:

4. What if I'm a UK user who already has a Gmail address? Will that address ever change?
Unfortunately, we don't know. We would love to say that your address will always remain the same. But the trademark issue is still unsettled, and unfortunately, we cannot predict what the other party or the courts might do here. You can always use your same username with an @googlemail.com address to avoid this issue later on. But trust that we will do the best we can to make sure your email address won't ever have to change.

5. What if I'm a UK user who already has a Gmail address? Will I also need to change that address?
No, this change doesn't affect existing Gmail addresses. For now, our plan is only to issue @googlemail.com addresses to new users. Trust that we will do the best we can to offer all our users a reliable and consistent email experience.

Huh...? Two answers to the same question.

I actually prefer @googlemail.com (4, Insightful)

Phantasmagoria (1595) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825793)

I actually prefer @googlemail.com. Firstly, every time I say @gmail.com over the phone or even in person to someone, half the time they hear @email.com, and I have to repeat myself. Plus, I suspect @googlemail.com will be much easier to remember, since most people I know (who have email) recognize the google name. Since it seems anything to @googlemail.com will be redirected to @gmail.com (or they are the same, whatever), I'll start using @googlemail.com from now on in my documents and conversations.

Will I keep my username? (3, Interesting)

mark2003 (632879) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825801)

Maybe I haven't read this properly but I can't find explicitly stated anywhere that I will be able to keep my username after the change from @gmail to @googlemail - i.e. if I have xyz@gmail.com will they reserve xyz@googlemail.com for me?

I have a really common name and getting a user name that was remotely like my real name was only possible by getting hold of an invite right at the start. I'll be really pissed off if someone else can swipe it. I've tried opening another account with myname@googlemail.com and it is not available - hopefully this indicates that they have reserved it for me.

GMAIL becomes GOOGLEMAIL IN THE UK (0, Offtopic)

ajbernath (924048) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825838)

better not switch it here in N A cuz if they do we move on

preference (1)

jkind (922585) | more than 9 years ago | (#13825910)

I kind of like "gmail" better than googlemail.. What would be even better, is if you could easily be logged into gmail twice on the same browser (multiple people using same computer), without having to *shudder* use IE for the 2nd instance.
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