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Microsoft Extends XP's Life By 6 Months

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the slow-on-the-uptake dept.

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hairyfeet writes "Despite Microsoft releasing Windows Vista more than nine months ago the adoption rate has not been as Microsoft hoped. Bowing further to pressure from OEMs and consumers, Microsoft has extended the life of Windows XP, which was due to end sale by OEMs on January 1 next year, to a new date of June 30. Asked if this was an indication of a strong demand for XP, a Microsoft representative sought to downplay the extension, stating 'We wouldn't term it strong, we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time.'"

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Hmmm.... (4, Funny)

bjb (3050) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784745)

Depends on what your definition of "is" is...

Re:Hmmm.... (3, Insightful)

Clanked (1156473) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784863)

Microsofts Definition of "Certain Element"

eve-ry-one
pronoun
    Every person; everybody.

Re:Hmmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20785269)

Also a definition of "element" which is poor a choice of words. I fall under that category as an XP user but I haven't been an "element" since I was a teenager if you know what I mean.

5 Months? (3, Insightful)

ihop0 (988608) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784765)

Jan 1 -> June 30? Isn't that 6 months?

Re:5 Months? (5, Informative)

stranger_to_himself (1132241) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784809)

Indeed. But the original date was 30 January. So the 5 months is right.

Re:5 Months? (2, Funny)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785341)

I'm glad somebody tagged this story with "!januaryfirst".

Now, when I browse the Slashdot archives trying to find stories where somebody mistakenly thought something what January 1 when it actually was not, this one will come up.

Re:5 Months? (4, Funny)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784819)

Jan 1 -> June 30? Isn't that 6 months?


Jan 1 -> July 1 is 6 months.

Jan 1 -> June 30 is, truncated to an integer number of months, 5 months.

Re:5 Months? (1)

TheGreatDonkey (779189) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785095)

Ah, I see you also use Microsoft Excel [boston.com] (Microsoft Excel fails math test)

Re:5 Months? (-1, Troll)

Nimey (114278) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785285)

Hur hur hur. That joke isn't funny any more. Posting that is about as clever as $FUCKWIT who posts that Ben Franklin quote on every YRO story.

Re:5 Months? (3, Funny)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785259)

No it is just 3 months according to Excel2007

Re:5 Months? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20785553)

So is that why Microsoft was claiming, some time back, that Vista sales were very strong. They were putting XP sales numbers into Excel! in response to gp: floor(2000630-20070101) = 00000529 = xxxx05xx

Re:5 Months? (4, Funny)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784845)

Nope - count it out... January, February, March, April, May, June. That's 5.

* I used Excel to do this math, and checked it with a virtual slide rule.

Re:5 Months? (1)

SevenHands (984677) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784969)

What does your slide rule say?

Re:5 Months? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785103)

The submitter is still using a Pentium 66 with the FDIV bug.

Re:5 Months? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785545)

The submitter is still using a Pentium 66 with the FDIV bug.
And the Windows 3.0 calculator.

5 months? (4, Funny)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784769)

Jan 1 to June 30, wouldn't that be 6 months. Or did they use Excel to do the math?

Defeated by themselves... (5, Funny)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784781)

Microsoft made a product so appealing to the users that they don't want to switch. Not even to a newer version.

Sooner or later this was gonna happen.

Re:Defeated by themselves... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20784807)

Microsoft made a product so appealing to the users that they don't want to switch. Not even to a newer version.

Sooner or later this was gonna happen.

Yes, so unbelieveable that it must be a fake report.

Re:Defeated by themselves... (1)

The Assistant (1162547) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785255)

Appealing, not unappealing, and "I can get it to do what I want to most of the time", instead of just appealing.

Re:Defeated by themselves... (2, Insightful)

Andrewkov (140579) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784847)

BAHHHAHAHAHAA! You should work in marketing! :)

Re:Defeated by themselves... (1)

someone1234 (830754) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784853)

XP is not that much appealing, but for certain tasks there is no better available.
And Vista is definitely worse.
I'm happy with this decision, i planned to buy a new machine next year, but only if i could get it without Vista.

Re:Defeated by themselves... (1)

LeandroTLZ (1163617) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785185)

XP is not that much appealing, but for certain tasks there is no better available.
Certain tasks = gaming. The dedicated gamer is going to migrate to Vista just because of DirectX 10.

Re:Defeated by themselves... (0, Troll)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785315)

The dedicated gamer is going to migrate to Vista just because of DirectX 10.
Wait, there are DirectX 10 games? Since when?

I even have doubts since I haven't even HEARD of them that they'd be any good.

Re:Defeated by themselves... (1)

haX0rsaw (687063) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784875)

especially when the new product, arguably, is not as good as the original!

Re:Defeated by themselves... (5, Funny)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784891)

This summarizes it [userfriendly.org]

Re:Defeated by themselves... (5, Funny)

Salsaman (141471) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784977)

You mis-spelled "appalling".

Re:Defeated by themselves... (1)

gawiedeboef (940586) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785179)

There is nothing appealing to me when it comes to MS products.. I just think MS realized there users are to stupid and lazy to us a proper OS (*nix) or maybe it has the best support for viruses and we all know what that means... $$$$

Oh really? (1)

ady1 (873490) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785343)

Or is it that users remember the havok it caused when the switch from win98 to winxp occurred and are just afraid?

Re:Defeated by themselves... (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785423)

Microsoft made a product so appealing to the users that they don't want to switch. Not even to a newer version.

Sooner or later this was gonna happen.
Or "Microsoft made a product that isn't more appealing than their last, best effort."

XP can certainly be topped, it is by no means perfect. But it is a crowning jewel in comparison to Vista. THAT is Microsoft's problem.

Fencepost Error (1)

dierdorf (37660) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784785)

Ahem...On my calendar, January 1 to June 30 is SIX months, not five.

Re:Fencepost Error (1)

dextromulous (627459) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785109)

Ahem...On my calendar, January 1 to June 30 is SIX months, not five.
It was a bad summary, TFA says January 31, not January 1. Not that I expect anyone to read the article or anything... It would have been nice if the article linked to a source.

Microsoft responds to customers (what's new?) (1, Funny)

The_Abortionist (930834) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784815)

Vista brings many new things to the table, especially in terms of increased usability. Some people need more time to adapt and move to the new OS, and Microsoft listened to them.

I'm not really surprised since Microsoft's success has always been based on paying attention to its customers and being an enabler of computers for most people rather than a disabler, like all unix and unix derivative operating systems organizations.

Re:Microsoft responds to customers (what's new?) (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785057)

like all unix and unix derivative operating systems organizations. Yes, yes, I've often heard that Apple makes stuff for geeks only and that people who are new to computers should steer clear of Apple and stick with good 'ol proven Microsoft Bob.

Mac OS X is a failure.. (0)

The_Abortionist (930834) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785147)

Apple is losing market share, even after moving to "cheaper" grounds with the Intel architecture.

What keeps Apple floating and well is the iPod. With the iPod Touch they seem to have a solid lead on the innovation front to help them maintain their market share. But if the iPod should fail, good bye Apple.. Good riddance too!

I did notice that a lof of people I see on the streets don't use the iPod, but other MP3 players. Has Apple begun to lose there as well, despite the ads and the hype? In one year, we might know...

Re:Mac OS X is a failure.. (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785499)

Argue financial success and marketshare all you want... Apple is known as the "easy to use" brand and Microsoft is not. Apple gets heaps of praise for making attractive and intuitive products, and Microsoft usually does not.

Vista SP1 Delayed (5, Insightful)

acherrington (465776) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784821)

'We wouldn't term it strong, we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time.'
So let me get this straight... if its not demand that's changing this.. and its a certain element who needs more time, well then I am going to guess that its Microsoft that needs more time to push out Vista Service Pack 1. Then hopefully Windows Vista will have the bugs out and customers will want to migrate.

Re:Vista SP1 Delayed (1)

John Jorsett (171560) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784967)

Good parsing of the Microsoft rep's statement, and I think you're right. However, from my point of view, the main problem is that the Vista user interface sucks, so the only way SP1 is going to improve things is if it offers a 'Vista Traditional' (i.e. XP) look and feel. The OS version of Coke Classic.

Re:Vista SP1 Delayed (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785227)

the main problem is that the Vista user interface sucks,

Agreed. I had my first serious foray into Vista a couple of days ago, helping a friend set up wireless for his new office, and let's just say those comparisons to WinME aren't far off the mark.

Re:Vista SP1 Delayed (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785583)

Agreed. My neighbor got 2 laptops a few months ago with Vista on them, and I set them up on his wireless network. It was painful, and the fact that the machines are spec'ed waaay higher than my XP laptop, yet run at maybe 3/4 the speed just amazes me...

The SP1 beta has been such a wild success (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785223)

They obviously thought they'd give it a few extra months of effort to perfect the new features introduced by the service pack.

http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/09/28/vista-rants/ [pirillo.com]

 

Boiling frog (1)

ILikeRed (141848) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785303)

'We wouldn't term it strong, we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time.'

Microsoft has learned the lesson of the boiling frog [wikipedia.org] , and this is a really smart move on their part. It's going to take a while for their customers to get used to the shackles of DRM (or Microsoft Genuine Advantage TM) before they stop chafing with all the new checks, slowdowns, monitoring, and restrictions. They wouldn't want to many customers to jump out of the pot while they still can.

That's the way I read this. (2, Insightful)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785529)

Some people won't move to the next Windows until SP2. A lot won't move until SP1 is out. SP1 isn't ready yet, ergo, accomodate the wait-for-SP1 crowd.

You'll see a lot of other interpretations on Slashdot, but I just don't see them bearing out for most businesses or in the non-Slashdot world in general.

Activation servers? (5, Interesting)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784825)

What happens to the activation servers long after the products (ie 2000 and XP) are out of extended support?

Re:Activation servers? (5, Funny)

This_Is_My_Happening (1151393) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784937)

Well, extended support for XP ends in 2014. Considering all of 2008,2009,2010,2011,2012 and 2013 will be the year of the Linux desktop, I highly doubt anyone will still be using XP by then.

Re:Activation servers? (3, Funny)

cashman73 (855518) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785469)

Microsoft is apparently counting on the fact that nobody will even be here after 2012 [wikipedia.org] ,. . .

Re:Activation servers? (1)

LeandroTLZ (1163617) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784953)

They keep on being used to activate new products. I don't see Product Activation going away anytime soon.

The servers will keep on activating older versions (I assume), but don't expect much in the way of support when you change your motherboard and XP doesn't activate anymore. Today, a few irate phone calls will get your OS activated. In a couple of years, they can simply say the OS is no longer being supported and force you to upgrade. To Linux preferably.

Re:Activation servers? (3, Insightful)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785267)

Win2k doesn't have activation.

Re:Activation servers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20785559)

The question you should be asking is "why didn't I care about that when I bought Windows XP ?"

XP Works (5, Insightful)

Blinocac (169086) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784833)

Plain and simple. I'm no big fan of MS, but XP is really a decent piece. If it aint broke, don't fix it.

XP Sucks (5, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785307)

XP sucks. It simply sucks less than Vista.
 

Re:XP Works (3, Interesting)

Oliver Defacszio (550941) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785565)

Yes, that's obviously the case. Anyone who still trots out the old stupid chestnut "Windows is unstable" argument has either never used 2000 or XP, or is just lying in hopes of attracting attention from the gullible to his purely political motives (or both).

Actually, I think this is pretty fortuitous for Microsoft, despite the fact that it calls attention to Vista's lack of popularity. Computer stores around here are using the fact that they "still" sell computers with XP as a sales tool, and the support extension is a pretty nice method of keeping everyone happy and quiet while Microsoft does whatever they do to Vista to make it a reasonable upgrade. Although I've not used Vista beyond a few tries in the store and a minute or two at a friend's house, it seems from popular opinion (beyond the completely unsurprising groupthink here at Slashdot) that Vista was born prematurely, and Microsoft is fortunate to have a historical product like XP they can use as a tool of placation until the new one is what it always should have been.

XP *is* really good, and Microsoft is pretty lucky that Vista didn't come after, say, Windows 98 or ME, because those are not something they'd want to fall back upon in a situation like this. I guess the old saying is true -- business is as much about timing and luck as it is about skill.

Is this a PR guy? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20784835)

> We wouldn't term it strong, we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time.

A certain element? What a lovely way to degenerate paying customers who have no interest in being force-fed your latest horse shit product!

Re:Is this a PR guy? (5, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785217)

This is why you should NEVER use a product that requires "activation".

Just say no to mandatory registration, dongles and other similar shenanigans.

This isn't even a "pro free software" or "anti commercial" thing. Not all
commercial software vendors choose to treat their customers like this.

Indications, Clarifications, Underestimations (2, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784849)

> 'We wouldn't term it strong, we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time.'"

Pressed for clarification, the Microsoft representative continued:

Q: "Would you term the market's adoption of Vista as slow?"
A: "We wouldn't term it slow, we would describe it as approaching that of a sloth on valium."

Re:Indications, Clarifications, Underestimations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20785271)

Correction:

Pressed for clarification, the Microsoft representative continued:

Q: "Would you term the market's adoption of Vista as slow?"
A: "We wouldn't term it slow, that's because our head of marketing is a sloth on valium."

Why the uptake is slow (5, Informative)

sufijazz (889247) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784897)

Some factors affect the uptake of Vista:
1. It needs a lot more RAM. Or atleast people seem to think so.
2. People are waiting for it to "settle down" - probably until Service Pack 1 is released.
3. There is a lot of confusion about different Vista [diffen.com] versions [microsoft.com] .

There is also the issue of some drivers not being available [sony.com] . But things will settle down soon enough. One year is not that long of a timeframe to wean marketshare away from one operating system monopoly to another.

Re:Why the uptake is slow (2, Interesting)

notthe9 (800486) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784985)

My first thought when I saw Microsoft's site with the four versions of Vista compared side-by-side: "They don't list the version we are using here!"

You have to scroll down to the bottom to read about the other versions.

Microsoft or VISTA? (1)

The Assistant (1162547) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784903)

Shouldn't this posting say VISTA extends XP's life by 6 months?

;)

Re:Microsoft or VISTA? (1)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784997)

I just don't see the problem with Vista. Since M$ has released more keys (XP SP2c) and now extends the sale period for XP....
....no wait, there must be something wrong with Vista and they are admitting it by their actions.

Pariahs (1)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784905)

we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time

"A certain element" brings to mind people like communists, terrorists and deviants. Now we'll have to add Vista deniers to the list. Maybe they should be branded as as "countervistarian subversives" and shunned appropriately.

Re:Pariahs (1)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785009)

They're being Un-mutual! Send out MS-rover.

Re:Pariahs (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785075)

That's a good point. The last time I heard "element" associated with a group of people (other than those dumb Dow commercials), the word "undesirable" was in front of it. (Or "criminal". I forget which.)

So, in Microsoft's estimation, people who won't "upgrade" to Vista are....those...people.

Smells like early release to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20784925)

With the release of this story - Doesn't this appear that MS may have been pressured a little too much in getting the Vista product out the door?

Brilliant (1)

motank (867244) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784941)

Charge people buying the internet FUD on Vista for XP today..... and then charge them again a year later when they have to upgrade to Vista!

A certain element (1)

Lookin4Trouble (1112649) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784947)

"we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time.'"

That element being, y'know, everyone who's tried it...

Good Decision (2, Insightful)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784951)

...but it was inevitable. Think about it: while Windows Vista is a great operating system and a recommended upgrade from Windows XP, it has been shown all too many times that there are still growing pains evident with it. There are many drivers that are still being tested and revised due to vastly new frameworks implemented by Microsoft (Creative's situation immediately comes to mind, even though it's thankfully been resolved). Furthermore, there are many software packages that have or will definitely have compatibility issues with Vista (financial applications are a huge example of this, since they tend to be much more conservative. I'm not including the super-large firms that absolutely need to continue relying on extremely antiquated software).

While officially removing Windows XP support will be mostly transparent to end users, developers will be forced to migrate all of their time and energy to a new operating system with a lot of changes under the hood instead of spending time steadily updating current software while researching and testing compatible Vista software as well. Many IT managers and decision-makers will have to devote much more energy to supporting Vista faster, which can result in less-than-stellar results (it's corporate habit to accept a new operating system much later than their introduction).

I think this is a good way for Microsoft to ensure that they keep the risks of transition as minimal as possible. Vista migration will undoubtedly happen, but it's best that it is slow and exceptional rather than rapid and disappointing (as many users are quickly finding out).

Re:Good Decision (0, Troll)

Tuoqui (1091447) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785311)

Who knows maybe some of these people will get sick of Windows crap and actually try Linux...

I think its time for IT managers and stuff to start making presentations to PHB's showing how much $$$ they can save by simply avoiding the Microsoft upgrade treadmill. I mean just switching the OS alone will save them $200-600 a machine. Tack on open source replacements for things like MS Office, Photoshop and AutoCAD and you're talking huge savings.

Re:Good Decision (1)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785653)

Tack on open source replacements for things like ... AutoCAD

Which would be what product, exactly?

Re:Good Decision (2, Insightful)

NetNed (955141) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785483)

Have you not used Vista?
Great wasn't the word I would pick to describe it. ME v.2.0 maybe, but surly not great.
Ok maybe it is great, because since it came out I've gotten more business taking it off oem's and replacing it with XP. Thank you Microsoft!

Re:Good Decision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20785585)

"Vista migration will undoubtedly happen,"

I doubt.
It's slower, buggier and over all less capable.

I think MS has a decision to make here. Keep flogging the dead horse or just let it go and move on. But they'll keep flogging because they've sunk to much money into it already.

Comparison... (1)

InvisibleSoul (882722) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784979)

XP = Reliable sports car, great aftermarket support, uses regular gas Vista = Unreliable exotic, bad aftermarket support, uses premium only

Re:Comparison... (2, Insightful)

The Assistant (1162547) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785113)

XP = Reliable sports car, great aftermarket support, uses regular gas

I'll give you great aftermarket support, if your talking about third party

I'll even give you uses regular gas, provided you concede that linux can use regular gas mixed with equal parts of water.

I have a little problem with Reliable sports car, maybe it should be more of reliable sporty sedan. Sports car seems to suggest performance that isn't there unless you use premium gas. (Extra memory, Larger Hard Drive, fairly new graphics card)

But of course this is all IMHO!

Re:Comparison... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20785607)

I fail to see where OSX fits into the equation.

Asked what he says to (5, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784989)

...the allegations that their users claimed Vista is a pile of manure, the representative said "We wouldn't term it manure, we'd say it has very strong properties, promotes groth and has fertilizing capabilities."

Re:Asked what he says to (2, Funny)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785297)

..the allegations that their users claimed Vista is a pile of manure, the representative said "We wouldn't term it manure, we'd say it has very strong properties, promotes groth and has fertilizing capabilities."

Though that is what the rep claimed, independent testing showed that only odor has been inherited and rest of the beneficial aspects of manure have not been found in Vista.

It's the right move. (1)

EvilSpudBoy (1159091) | more than 7 years ago | (#20784995)

There are a lot of areas where Vista isn't really up to par, for example, A lot of pro audio hardware doesn't yet work with Vista, and also there are latency issues when doing pro audio work in Vista. Also IMO opinion Vista isn't suited for doing development work yet.

With so many applications where Vista isn't suitable, to not continue to offer XP would just hurt the computer sellers.

Let me rephrase it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20785019)

"We wouldn't term it strong, we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time."
Meaning:
"We need to find a way to screw up XP so much that people will want to migrate to vista"
"We need more time to deaccommodate a certain element that has been better than we expected"

Go figure.

notevenitsmother (3, Funny)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785029)

Whoever came up with that tag is my hero.

Carbon? (1)

PalmKiller (174161) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785041)

That certain element is carbon. As in every life form.

It will be longer than 6 months (1)

bostons1337 (1025584) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785071)

They're doing this because Vista has been such a flop and almost a waste of money at this point. People are backing out of Vista and rolling their OS's back to XP (some of the smart ones are switching to linux entirely). Vista is a complete nightmare and the only way to somewhat satisfy the customers is to extend support to XP. I guarantee you XP will be extended past June because there is no way they are going to fix it and gain customer confidence in Vista all before that date.

Microsoft playing Chicken (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20785125)

"Extends XP's Life"

If I were a Windows user, this language would make me sick to my stomach. This is the reason I use GNU software: the "life" of that software is as long as somebody wants to use it. RMS isn't sitting in the offices of the FSF waiting to pull the plug on Linux 2.6 so that people have to buy Linux 2.8; (this might upset Linus a little bit too). Moreover, even "dead" GNU programs can come back to life, if somebody is willing to dig up the body and run it through the compile-o-matic.

If the market wants Windows XP, let them buy it until there isn't enough plastic left on Earth to mint another CD. Software can't "die" unless a very greedy vendor decides to murder it in cold blood. "Extends XP's Life" should be rewritten "Decides Not to Shank XP/XP Users".

Microsoft is playing chicken [wikipedia.org] with the free market, and they are going to lose.

Can we start calling Windows Vista (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785161)

by its real name? MS Windows Ooops, thereby making it more compatible with Gooooogle ???

The obvious solution (1)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785163)

Microsoft should abandon Vista, port the spiffy graphics back to XP, add a few more bells and whistles, and release the incrementally enhanced XP under the name Vista.

That plan worked for Apple with Mac OS 8, didn't it?

Oh, wait--Microsoft made the mistake of releasing VIsta. Too bad.

Re:The obvious solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20785243)

I think Apple's biggest mistake with Mac OS 8 was promising that the very next major number bump would do all these things, then bumping their current version number to 7.5. Even the ultimately-shipped Mac OS 8 was a large enough jump (both for good and for ill) to merit a major version number bump.

OK by MS? (3, Insightful)

bigdavex (155746) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785187)

This doesn't seem like a huge disaster for Microsoft to me.

These people are still buying a MS Windows license. Maybe they'll even buy an upgrade to Vista later.

Re:OK by MS? (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785363)

These people are still buying a MS Windows license. Maybe they'll even buy an upgrade to Vista later.

Not necessarily - If I'm a small-to-mid-sized business, I could simply buy all my new machines with no OS at all (it's a common option for business purchasers at most OEMs), and continue to use my existing licenses as long as I have enough of them to go around.

This means that, instead of buying new shiny Vista licenses, I get to keep my old XP ones (and then use whichever extra ones are freed up by obsolescing old machines), which in turn means less money for MSFT - not only in that I'm not buying new Vista licenses to replace the old ones (because I'm obviously not upgrading 'em), but that I'm probably not buying any new ones until/unless I absolutely have to.

/P

Clarfication (1)

Sierpinski (266120) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785215)

By 'certain element' they mean almost everyone, and by 'more time' they mean 'forever since they refuse to upgrade'.

Resistance. Isn't it great? (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785221)

I sure wish people would apply the same pressure on ALL products that require activation or one to jump through hoops after the purchase is made. Maybe boycotts do work...Watch out, Walmart.

Re:Resistance. Isn't it great? (1)

LeandroTLZ (1163617) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785389)

I sure wish people would apply the same pressure on ALL products that require activation
I don't think activation has anything to do with this. XP requires activation too, after all. It comes down to familiarity and stability. People are used to XP and know it's reliable (for a Windows version). Vista introduces a new UI that requires a hardware update (new graphics card) to run on most existing machines (speaking of regular people here, not geeks), and there are plenty of horror stories on the web about Vista compatibility (or lack of), processing power wasted on DRM "features", and so on.

People were willing to put up with Activation for an OS they saw as fast and stable (again, for a Windows version). Not so willing to do it for Vista.

Re:Resistance. Isn't it great? (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785699)

It's not about activation per se. It's about the consumer having a conscious, direct influence on the market. The activation thing is a personal crusade of mine and several others. And there was a bit of resistance to XP in the beginning because of activation. Too bad it collapsed so quickly. We have the power to put a quick end to DRM if we simply don't buy it. Alas, it's just not a big issue as long as it's so easy to crack.

I love PR speak (3, Interesting)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785319)

Microsoft representative sought to downplay the extension, stating 'We wouldn't term it strong, we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time.'

Hmm...

Journalist: "Did Vista fail?"
Microsoft Representative: "I wouldn't say it failed. I'd say it successfully failed in succeeding to fail in successful failure."
Journalist: "Oh.. right, exactly what I had in mind!"


It's just so transparent when companies spin things, it hurts. And you know behind the curtains they shout and curse and spit, and say things like this:

"I am not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers (both business and home) [..] our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, [..] I see lots of random features and some great vision, but that doesn't translate into great products. I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft."

And, as you know, this is an actual quote from Jim Allchin's private email to Gates and Ballmer. Regarding Vista. Not quite like their public claims of vicious unstoppable wildfire Vista success, now, is it.

Tags WTF? (1)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785323)

Who got their man unit fried exactly?

Can Linux Users make that 6 months count? (2, Insightful)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785383)

Those of us who support Linux, I stated on the last article like this, the slower adoption of Vista is, the more time it buys Windows users. So consider this. What happens if we get a "Golden" Wine that can run some killer Windows App XP can, Vista can't. All the sudden you have a small targeted dent in MS's market share that makes a big dent.

What are some ways the calculating Linux user can use this to further undermine MS?

Why I'm resisting upgrading (2, Interesting)

Timberwolf0122 (872207) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785387)

I've used vista and there are many thing that I dislike about it, not least it appears to have been designed by people from Marketing. I like my interfaces to be simple and clean, where as vista has too much going on, too many controlls within controls and special effects. I was very happy with the Win 2K and XP's interface.

Another thing that bugs me are the X million flavours, can we just stick to Server, Pro and Home! and as to why the new functionality can't be integrated into XP is beyond me.

Finaly the resourses it take to run (largely because of a bloated GUI IMHO) are way out of proportion.
Now I'll admit I am a bit of a technical Luddite but I will move forward if I can see a benifit... with vist I see it not.

I don't get it? (4, Insightful)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785401)

Why should a product that's designed to be used in a production environment receive an end-of-life? Shouldn't they have various platforms with ongoing support for different end-use? For example, companies have built software on Windows XP that refuse to work on later versions, or later versions have different properties (i.e. certain APIs no longer supported, 3rd party companion software that won't run on the new OS, different security model imposes different behaviour in the new OS, different licensing schemes not compatible with the software)... if MS cares about its developers that have invested in the platform they put out, wouldn't they keep supporting them? How could developers choose to program for a platform that's essentially a moving target that they can never lock down, and that they have to keep paying MS to use their own software, and even make changes to their software to accomodate MS's changes in their OS? Plus, every time you want to sell your solution to a customer, you have to charge them for MS's products as well. If you have software that requires Windows and Office, and you sell it to someone, you have to sell them Office and Windows and whatever other applications along with it, promoting MS's product, or at least putting your customers in the same position that MS is putting you in as a developer. Except that MS's support and guarantees are limited by their EULA. Isn't programming on Windows like an endless chase? Does it pay off in any way?

Another example (1)

Master of Transhuman (597628) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785453)

"We wouldn't term it strong, we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time."

Like I said, Microsoft sells lies, not software. No Microsoft employee authorized to talk to the public - and most that aren't - are anything but liars.

Fried Man Unit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20785603)

Ouch!!

Here's a question to ponder... (1)

BUL2294 (1081735) | more than 7 years ago | (#20785665)

* Windows 3.10 was introduced on 3/18/92.
* Windows 95 was introduced on 8/24/95, with people at the stores at midnight.
* Windows 3.1x outsold Windows 95 in 1995 and 1996, despite many OEMs offering Windows 95 only. Windows 95 finally outsold Windows 3.1x in 1997.
* Microsoft stopped selling Windows 3.1x and 95 on 12/31/01.
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So, if XP was offered with as much longevity as 3.1x was, would it outsell Vista???
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