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Wikileaks Gets Hold of Counterinsurgency Manual

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the what-we-learned-in-central-america dept.

The Military 999

HeavensBlade23 writes in to let us know that Wikileaks has published a US Special Forces counterinsurgency manual, titled Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces (1994, 2004). "The document, which has been verified, is official US Special Forces doctrine. It directly advocates training paramilitaries, pervasive surveillance, censorship, press control and restrictions on labor unions & political parties. It directly advocates warrantless searches, detainment without charge and the suspension of habeas corpus. It directly advocates bribery, employing terrorists, false flag operations and concealing human rights abuses from journalists. And it directly advocates the extensive use of 'psychological operations' (propaganda) to make these and other 'population & resource control' measures more palatable."

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999 comments

War is fun! (3, Insightful)

sir_eccles (1235902) | more than 6 years ago | (#23836953)

Who ever said war was a fun thing?

Re:War is fun! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23837035)

Are you stupid or what? Of course war is never something fun. But if you read that manual or only the description of its contents here, its a fucking al-Qaeda manual and if its done no fucking wonder that iraq is a fucking breedingground for terrorist and haters of USA!

Re:War is fun! (3, Informative)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837247)

Unless it was - you know - either a fake or inaccurately reported.

Like Bush' supposed "service record" from 73 that turned out to have been made with word 2003.

Re:War is fun! (5, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837093)

Who ever said war was a fun thing?

Jools, Jops and Stoo, for a start. War has never been so much fun!

Re:War is fun! (3, Interesting)

Saint Fnordius (456567) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837133)

I think it was Dick Cheney. Or George Bush, who in the first moments of the invasion of Iraq treated the attacks like some sports event,

Re:War is fun! (5, Interesting)

GodsMadClown (180543) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837387)

Our commander in chief said as much in a videoconference with troops in Afghanistan on Mar 13, 2008:
( http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1333111120080313 [reuters.com] ) ...
"I must say, I'm a little envious," Bush said. "If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed."

"It must be exciting for you ... in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You're really making history, and thanks," Bush said. ...

What a shame he's otherwise "employed".

Did any of this need to be confirmed? (5, Insightful)

damburger (981828) | more than 6 years ago | (#23836961)

I mean, where are the true believers now? Does anyone seriously think that western governments have any kind of moral credibility?

We wag our fingers at China for their actions in Tibet, but by any measure what they have done there is far more humane than what we have done in Iraq. We lecture Russia about corruption and they simply retort with examples of western corruption.

Who actually believes that our governments have any reason to exist anymore beyond their existence itself?

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (5, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 6 years ago | (#23836991)

We need some sort of government to protect peope from each other.

Otherwise I couldn't agree more, it just sems to be a bunch of rich, cantankerous old killjoys at the top of each country, making up reasons to kill people that are under the influence of another bunch of rich old bastards.

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (0, Troll)

mjpaci (33725) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837199)

Just like Venezuela and Bolivia!!

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (2, Interesting)

hahiss (696716) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837231)

Oh yeah, arming one group of people and giving them a monopoly on violence is the solution to interpersonal conflict.

Unless, of course, your government isn't made up of people. . . . Alas, mine sure as hell is!

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (4, Interesting)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837249)

I dunno, I think this is the old problem of mistaking incompetence for evil.

Here in Australia our labor government (and before that, to a lesser extend, the liberal government) can sure be incompetent, but as much as I dislike Rudd he's probably not evil.

He supported the Iraq war in 2003 and now blames Howard for it of course, but he (just like the majority of people) thought it was necessary at the time.

No point mistaking bad intelligence and unquestioning politicians for malice.

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (2, Insightful)

The Anarchist Avenge (1004563) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837283)

Yeah, looks like our government did a great job of protecting Iraqis from my friend in high school, who joined up specifically to kill the towelheads.
Oh, wait. They gave him a .50 and sent him across the pond.

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (2, Interesting)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837289)

We also need some sort of common sense to spot obvious fakes (just click on the pdf).

If this is made by the US gov then they're beyond stupid. Not because of the contents. Just the layout.

WWII pilot briefing documents look better than this "official" document.

I say it's a fake.

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (4, Insightful)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837007)

"I mean, where are the true believers now? Does anyone seriously think that western governments have any kind of moral credibility"

Talk to the average north american, and you'll find out that there are many that would rank you with steretype of the crzzy-type 'conspiracy theorists'.

This is just more example of fascism plain and simple, when business tools government for it's own interests.

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (3, Insightful)

Missing_dc (1074809) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837167)

"I mean, where are the true believers now? Does anyone seriously think that western governments have any kind of moral credibility"

Talk to the average north american, and you'll find out that there are many that would rank you with steretype of the crzzy-type 'conspiracy theorists'.

This is just more example of fascism plain and simple, when business tools government for it's own interests.


I have been skimming the PDF, it is scarily like what they are doing in the US. while skimming, I found this gem:

  "The average peasant is not normally willing to fight to his death for his national government. His national government may have been a succession of corrupt dictators and inefficient bureaucrats."

That sounds about right for us Americans.

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (1, Offtopic)

damburger (981828) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837195)

"The average peasant is not normally willing to fight to his death for his national government. His national government may have been a succession of corrupt dictators and inefficient bureaucrats." That sounds about right for us Americans.

Maybe someone who contributed was a John Lennon fan: "You think you're so clever and classless and free/But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see"

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (5, Insightful)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837193)

Facism? Every western government has some sort of Special Operations system in place with all the same provisions. I think it is more telling that the slashdot crowd is just now "discovering" what has been known about black operations since the beginning of time.

What's really scary... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23837015)

many of those special forces folks come back and become your local police. Police departments and many security firms have a preference for ex-military.

Also, doesn't anyone else find it ironic that those folks are supposed to be fighting for freedom and the American way?

Re:What's really scary... (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837161)

"Also, doesn't anyone else find it ironic that those folks are supposed to be fighting for freedom and the American way?"

I didn't realize that censorship, surveillance, union busting, and silencing political parties had become un-American; let me pull out the champagne, this calls for a celebration. Our government has been slowly but steadily stepping it up on all of the above fronts, but in countries like Iraq they just happen to have an advantage: there is no existing legal framework standing in the way, so they are free to re-create society in a manner that suits them.

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (3, Insightful)

malignant_minded (884324) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837039)

We wag our fingers at China for their actions in Tibet

We lecture Russia about corruption


get the feeling its all for the children? these things are probably just seen as a reason to justify our need for more guns and bombs, it works as long as the truth doesn't come out

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (4, Insightful)

value_added (719364) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837059)

I mean, where are the true believers now? Does anyone seriously think that western governments have any kind of moral credibility?

An insightful comment if ever I read one.

Also worth pointing out this gives lie to the "They hate us for our freedom" rubbish repeatedly heard from our leaders when conflicts and violence occur in unfamiliar parts of the world. The really sad thing is that any student of American history could say this is a non-story.

Sometimes it's a bitch looking into the mirror.

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (4, Insightful)

Saint Fnordius (456567) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837101)

The sad thing is that huge swathes of this read as if they were redacted to fit an ideology, not truly written based on pragmatic achieving of a goal. It's all about doing the "dirty work" that the chairborne rangers with their neckties and air-conditioned offices dream about.

I am going to read this in more detail, but right now it depresses me that counterinsurgency tactics have fallen so deeply into doing the "glamourous", "badass" stuff and ignoring the repercussions. Current lack of success in Afghanistan and Iraq should have been a wake-up call to how important treating the locals is, how accepting moral limits can reap tactical benefits later on.

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (4, Insightful)

call-me-kenneth (1249496) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837111)

Bill Hicks said it best, of course [www.last.fm] .

Hey, aren't y'all a bunch of hired killers? Of course they're evil manipulative bastards, that's their job. You didn't really think they were there to spread democracy and peace did you?

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (2, Informative)

crossmr (957846) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837219)

Hi,
This is a common mistake made by many Americans, but please remember that Canada is not actually one of your states. You see we're an independent nation. If you need help finding us on a map its that really big spot above you where you get your maple syrup and you used to get cheap shopping. Since we're laterally north of you, we're also a "western government". Unless you're specifically talking about Alaska, then I suppose it is more west than us.. This was a US special force book. I don't believe it was a joint US/Canadian military manual. Yes our carrier planes suck and we occasionally bum a ride but we don't partake in all military activities together.

Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (1)

damburger (981828) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837251)

I'm not an American. And in case you hadn't noticed, Canada goes to about half the wars America does anyway. Like Britain, it isn't like you've a truly independent foreign policy.

Now that everything that everybody already knew .. (4, Insightful)

YeeHaW_Jelte (451855) | more than 6 years ago | (#23836965)

... has been proven, what are Americans going to do to make sure the government and the military practices what they preach?

I thought the plan was to export democracy, free speech, human rights and other such goodies ... oh boy, was I wrong!

The plan (1)

overshoot (39700) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837225)

I thought the plan was to export democracy, free speech, human rights and other such goodies ... oh boy, was I wrong!
Not that wrong. As soon as you redefine "democracy, free speech, human rights" etc. to be what's defined in the Manual, it all works. Of course it's important to make sure that those same definitions apply at home.

in the end (5, Insightful)

sveard (1076275) | more than 6 years ago | (#23836967)

The United States will lose more than can ever be gained with war. It's a question when, not if.

Re:in the end (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23837079)

Then the answer is, "Now."

Re:in the end (1)

sveard (1076275) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837155)

I should've known I would be modded down as troll. No matter. I don't need arguments, I've got statistics by my side. Where are the Romans? Where is the Third Reich? The Soviet Union? Right. Situations like this only last for a limited amount of time. Be it decades, or centuries.

Re:in the end (1)

icegreentea (974342) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837339)

The Romans went from a single city to an Empire sprawling around the Mediterranean that had a 'glory' day that lasted centuries. Even after the Empire fell, Rome became the spiritual capital of the Christian world, the seat of power of the bulk of Christianity for quite a long time (before the Protestants all showed up anyways). I think Rome has gained far more than it has ever gained.

Re:in the end (1, Troll)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837257)

The United States will lose more than can ever be gained with war. It's a question when, not if.
Appeasement: See definition above.

Fuck yeah! America! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23836971)

Because when it comes right down to it, only US citizens can be considered human beings with rights!

USA! USA!

Servers? (-1, Offtopic)

Datamonstar (845886) | more than 6 years ago | (#23836973)

I hope their servers can take the load. Putting a story like this up on slashdot at this time of the day is just asking to smoke some silicon.

Re:Servers? (3, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837363)

I hope their servers can take the load.
The load? I'm sorry, but between Scientologists and U.S. Special Forces, I'd rather leak Scientology material. Wikileaks just earned legitimate interest from several three-letter agencies. There are going to be spies from many countries trying to find out how Wikileaks got this document (to prevent or encourage more leaks). Some of the countries will be less pleasant in their methods than others and despite the nature of this document, I don't think the U.S. is at the top of that list.

Figures. (5, Insightful)

Fractal Dice (696349) | more than 6 years ago | (#23836979)

So in other words Saddam Hussein was the ideal leader to have in Iraq?

Re:Figures. (3, Insightful)

piemcfly (1232770) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837105)

For about 20 years, yes.

Then he invaded Kuwait, and the USA / West decided he suddenly wasn't such a good idea anymore.

Re:Figures. (4, Insightful)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837185)

Exactly. The west is perfectly happy with him when we help [wikipedia.org] him to [wikipedia.org] power [wikipedia.org] because "our enemy's enemy is our friend", but once he does his own thing then he's some evil who should be destroyed, conveniently ignoring the history of how he got there.

I can see why it might be a shock to some that this document got out, but given that it's for Special Forces then it doesn't really surprise me. Why have your elite forces actually playing by the book when you can fight dirty, be more effective and just blank over it if you're ever asked? That's not to say I condone it, just that it seems like an obvious military tactic when you're working in smaller and elite teams.

Re:Figures. (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837311)

ah so using poison gas on Kurds and iranians was a point about good leadership?

I should probably point out the Gas in question had Made in the USA stickers on them.

You can thank George Bush's father George Bush for that bit.

Re:Figures. (4, Insightful)

Simon Brooke (45012) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837163)

So in other words Saddam Hussein was the ideal leader to have in Iraq?
We put him there, so presumably we thought so.

Absolutely (4, Insightful)

goldcd (587052) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837297)

Hence the support provided to him in his war against Iran. FFS he was using chemical weapons with impunity - then he wanders into Kuwait and becomes a 'bad' person. Now we seem to have decided Iran is 'bad' again, but we've removed the hostile neighbour we were supporting... but we can't wander into Iran ourselves.. but..
Oh you just cannot take this stuff seriously any more.

Such is War (-1, Flamebait)

BECoole (558920) | more than 6 years ago | (#23836987)

But whoever leaked this should be eliminated anyway if for nothing else more than providing intelligence to the enemy.

War is hell. (4, Insightful)

Wulfstan (180404) | more than 6 years ago | (#23836989)

As General William Sherman said;

"I've been through two wars and I know. I've seen cities and homes in ashes. I've seen thousands of men lying on the ground, their dead faces looking up at the skies. I tell you, war is hell!"

You aren't fighting a war to be nice. You are fighting to win and to do so you need to do whatever it takes.

These things mentioned are unpalatable but then again - so is war. Moral of the story - avoid it. But sometimes you will have to fight, and when you do, fight hard and fight to win.

Re:War is hell. (5, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837019)

So it's by any means necessary then?

When we go over there to bring them freedom, we can do whatever the fuck we like because we're the "good guys", right?

Whilst i can see some justification for some of these techniques in an actual war of defence against an aggressive power, you know this shit's going on in our wars of adventure and speculation too.

all's fair... (1)

airdrummer (547536) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837065)

in luv, 2;-)

Re:War is hell. (5, Insightful)

Patoski (121455) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837137)

"I've been through two wars and I know. I've seen cities and homes in ashes. I've seen thousands of men lying on the ground, their dead faces looking up at the skies. I tell you, war is hell!"

You aren't fighting a war to be nice. You are fighting to win and to do so you need to do whatever it takes.
Yes, but there is one small problem... We never declared war.

How can you win when you don't even have a "proper" war to begin with? There is no end to this "war" (and insurgencies) because it was never begun and the objectives were never clearly identified.

No holds barred (3, Insightful)

overshoot (39700) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837165)

These things mentioned are unpalatable but then again - so is war. Moral of the story - avoid it. But sometimes you will have to fight, and when you do, fight hard and fight to win.
There are a few details in the way of your plan. Mostly treaties (such as the Geneva Convention) to which the USA is signatory, but there are still a few laws passed by Congress that also apply, depending on how creative you want to be with your redefinition of terms.

The USA has spent a good bit of the last century telling the world that "the ends justifies the means" is not carte blanche to those with power. If there's going to be a change of policy, perhaps abrogating those treaties would be a good start.

Re:War is hell. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23837181)

Babykiller.

Re:War is hell. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23837223)

Vietnam worked out well, huh? Twit.

Those sound like war tactics (1, Funny)

Kohath (38547) | more than 6 years ago | (#23836993)

Does this mean you can't win wars by giving the enemy a lollipop?

Re:Those sound like war tactics (1)

Ihlosi (895663) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837051)

Does this mean you can't win wars by giving the enemy a lollipop?



Depends on how much poison you've laced it with, or how small you can make an effective explosive device.

Re:Those sound like war tactics (1, Funny)

Kohath (38547) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837077)

My childish illusions are crushed. Crushed!

Re:Those sound like war tactics (0, Troll)

Nursie (632944) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837071)

That's what we were told would be necessary for Iraq. A lollipop, and then there would be hugs.

That's the picture of war we were sold by the various governments, along with the usual crap bout freedom and honour.

This just goes to prove how much utter bullshit that is, along with all the US rhetoric about freedom and humanity.

Re:Those sound like war tactics (1)

Kamineko (851857) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837183)

That's what we were told would be necessary for Iraq. A lollipop, and then there would be hugs.
And then there would be cake. And you know what the cake turned out to be? That's right. A god damned lie.

Re:Those sound like war tactics (-1, Troll)

Kohath (38547) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837235)

Congrats on hating the US. I'm sure that will help your social standing among your fellows. Your social skills in the area of groupthink are finely honed. Bravo.

And you really showed the US too. Hypocrites. Telling people that freedom is a good thing. And honor? They should be telling people to be dishonorable and not to like freedom. Because the number one virtue in life is being able to avoid the charge of hypocrisy. And the only way to avoid it for sure is never to be in favor of anything -- good, bad, or neutral. Ideals are for hypocrites.

Can I be in your nasty little social circle? I want to look down on people with ideals too. Looking down on people makes me feel better about myself.

Re:Those sound like war tactics (4, Insightful)

value_added (719364) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837177)

Does this mean you can't win wars by giving the enemy a lollipop?

No, but if the overthrow [wikipedia.org] of the popularly elected democratic government [wikipedia.org] in Iran way back when is any indication, it does suggest that you can avoid wars by staying out of other people's business. Put another way, getting out of the habit of pissing people off might get you your own lollipop.

Re:Those sound like war tactics (4, Insightful)

Kohath (38547) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837301)

Stop the future! Something "bad" was done 60 years ago!

That justifies any position in favor or opposed to anything from now until the end of time. And it automatically makes the other side wrong, regardless of anything -- because nothing they want to do will change what happened 60 years ago. And what if it happens again?

Somewhere a car is driving up right now... (1)

retech (1228598) | more than 6 years ago | (#23836997)

in a few moments men in suits will get out and shortly thereafter a few people will quietly disappear.

creators monitoring the wolfowitz plan (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23836999)

it calls for nuking iran (or a suitable similar target). it was written almost 20 years ago. it has been being followed to the letter, despite what we've been told about our motives/actions. see you on the other side of it? the lights are coming up all over now. conspiracy theorists are being vindicated. some might choose a tin umbrella to go with their hats. the fairytail is winding down now. let your conscience be yOUR guide. you can be more helpful than you might have imagined. there are still some choices. if they do not suit you, consider the likely results of continuing to follow the corepirate nazi hypenosys story LIEn, whereas anything of relevance is replaced almost instantly with pr ?firm? scriptdead mindphuking propaganda or 'celebrity' trivia 'foam'. meanwhile; don't forget to get a little more oxygen on yOUR brain, & look up in the sky from time to time, starting early in the day. there's lots going on up there.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/world/29amnesty.html?hp
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/06/05/severe.weather.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/06/02/honore.preparedness/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01dowd.html?em&ex=1212638400&en=744b7cebc86723e5&ei=5087%0A
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/05/senate.iraq/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/washington/17contractor.html?hp

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the bleeding must be stopped before any healing can begin. jailing a couple of corepirate nazi hired goons would send a clear message to the rest of the world from US. any truthful look at the 'scorecard' would reveal that we are a society in decline/deep doo-doo, despite all of the scriptdead pr ?firm? generated drum beating & flag waving propaganda that we are constantly bombarded with. is it time to get real yet? please consider carefully ALL of yOUR other 'options'. the creators will prevail. as it has always been.

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(Score:-)mynuts won, the king is a fink)
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meanwhile, the life0cidal philistines continue on their path of death, debt, & disruption for most of US. gov. bush denies health care for the little ones;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/bush.veto/index.html

whilst demanding/extorting billions to paint more targets on the bigger kids;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/12/bush.war.funding/index.html

& pretending that it isn't happening here;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3086937.ece
all is not lost/forgotten/forgiven

(yOUR elected) president al gore (deciding not to wait for the much anticipated 'lonesome al answers yOUR questions' interview here on /.) continues to attempt to shed some light on yOUR foibles. talk about reverse polarity;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3046116.ece

This was my face when I read this (1)

Doddman (953998) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837009)

:(

gosh and here I was being a good little sheep the whole time too

Wow, thats creepy (3, Insightful)

oh2 (520684) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837011)

If this was a CIA manual noone would lift an eyebrow, but this is apparently a field manual for an Army unit. But I keep forgetting, unless you are an american citizen you lack rights in the eyes of Uncle Sam. Sad, really.

Re:Wow, thats creepy (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837353)

But I keep forgetting, unless you are an american citizen you lack rights in the eyes of Uncle Sam
I'm sorry, where have you been the last 8 years? Americans have rights? GWB and his hench men disagree with you.

Is anyone actually shocked? (5, Insightful)

Satis (769614) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837027)

Special Forces are trained to work behind enemy lines in war to destabilize the government and cause as much damage as possible to the enemy's war effort. Since when have the niceties of the US constitution applied to an enemy, in war, in the enemy's territory? Regardless, war is uncivilized. Anyone that thinks otherwise should do some research. If you try to apply peacetime's morals to a war zone you're just going to lose a lot of lives and accomplish nothing.

Re:Is anyone actually shocked? (0, Flamebait)

damburger (981828) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837135)

So you take a map, draw a line on it, and anyone on the wrong side of that line is fair game.

Given that thinking, it isn't hard to see why your nation has a history of aggressive war and genocide.

Re:Is anyone actually shocked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23837239)

Counterinsurgency manual which helps terrorists in their cause and promotes insurgency? What else is new?

Compare to The Art of War (3, Insightful)

pieterh (196118) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837029)

Sun-Tzu's book was in many ways similar, explaining how to conduct war, but the difference seems to be that 2,500 years ago in China there was no pretense of democratic government, and perhaps also the tactics described in that book were more successful.

The cynicism of this counterinsurgency manual, and willingness to use ordinary people as material for war, is quite stunning.

Re:Compare to The Art of War (4, Insightful)

Ngarrang (1023425) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837115)

The cynicism of this counterinsurgency manual, and willingness to use ordinary people as material for war, is quite stunning.
Such cynicism is necessary, though, for the greater good of the country. The terrorists from the Middle East want to kill all Americans. Why? Because of something our government did decades ago, because something a corporation did, because you aren't a muslim, because you the devil! The mere fact of being a terrorist means a lack of respect for human dignity and right to life, and thus sometimes, tactics that seem wrought with constitutional issues will be used and condoned by groups who don't want you to know what tactics are being used to keep YOU safe.

Re:Compare to The Art of War (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837173)

Such cynicism is necessary, though, for the greater good of the country. The terrorists from the Middle East want to kill all Americans.

That doesn't matter at all, unless they are also able to kill all Americans. Just wanting something doesn't make it so.

Civil War - Not Domestic Policy (3, Insightful)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837047)

All these are valid tactics for civil war. Armchair generals.

You can't be this naive ... (5, Insightful)

Syncerus (213609) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837075)

War is about imposing YOUR will on your enemy. If you read von Clausewitz, or Sun Tsu, you will find nothing but a ringing endorsement of the techniques described in your indignant lead in.

Even beyond the observation that the manual describes nothing but techniques used in war since the dawn of time, I'll observe that it is the insurgents who cynically hide behind an unarmed populace. They make the fundamental decision to deliberately cause civilian casualties when they refuse to abide by the Geneva Convention and fight in uniform, away from civilian population centers.

A uniformed military must counter the insurgents in some way; would you prefer that we burn down the house to kill the bed bugs? What do you suggest? Asking the insurgents nicely to go home? Take a long hard look at places like Somalia or the disaster in Bosnia and then tell me there are realistic options other than the judicious application of force.

Re:You can't be this naive ... (3, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837095)

"I'll observe that it is the insurgents who cynically hide behind an unarmed populace."

So fucking what, does that make it all well and good to murder tens of thousands of civilians?

"A uniformed military must counter the insurgents in some way; would you prefer that we burn down the house to kill the bed bugs? What do you suggest? Asking the insurgents nicely to go home?"

I would suggest getting the fuck out of other people's countries and minding your own goddamn business.

Re:You can't be this naive ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23837265)

I would suggest getting the fuck out of other people's countries and minding your own goddamn business.
Also called The Ostrich Option.
Good luck with it!

Re:You can't be this naive ... (1)

Koshmar (588337) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837365)

Should we always keep out of other people's countries? When we hear of terrible atrocities being committed by armed forces against innocent people?

I am in no way suggesting that this was all, some or any of the reason for the current incursions in Iraq and Afghanistan but to say that we should never ever get involved in other countries' affair strikes me as an equally bad idea.

"I'm OK, let them look after themselves" is a bad reason to avoid conflicts. Wishing to extend your power base, improve your access to resources, go down in history as a great leader, these are all bad reasons to seek conflict. But now and then, when all other options are gone, "War is diplomacy by other means".

Re:You can't be this naive ... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23837157)

Then what are your feelings about the French and Polish resistances during WWII - they had no uniforms, "hid" among the populace, etc. Now their countries had no armies or real government, but neither does Iraq or Afghanistan.

I'm not saying that Iraqi insurgents are anything like the French Resistance, but explain to me how you would draw the line justifying what happened in WWII and what's going on now.

As far as I can tell, it's simply whoever survives and tells their story that becomes the hero.

Re:You can't be this naive ... (3, Insightful)

nickname29 (1240104) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837187)

Asking the insurgents nicely to go home?

In Iraq, most of the insurgents are in their home. It is the US forces that are not in their home (or their home country).

Basically you want all the insurgents to stand in formation the sand in full uniform waiting for the USA to bomb them into oblivion?

So, by your requirements, the French resistance during WW2 was wrong (since they did not wear uniforms and hide in the general population)?

Re:You can't be this naive ... (1)

Orleron (835910) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837203)

All the more reason to go into their homes and keel them. AFAIC

Re:You can't be this naive ... (1)

verloren (523497) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837355)

No, but you could dial back the rhetoric about being "a shining city upon a hill". That you're 5% better than average is a good thing, but it doesn't make you {god}'s chosen people.

The scary thing is: (2, Insightful)

Ihlosi (895663) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837083)

The manual is probably for situation where the world (and the press) might be watching you. If that isn't the case, you can whip out the really effective counterinsurgency measures (purges, ethnic cleansing, random killings to keep people afraid, retribution quotas, death camps, etc).

So? (3, Insightful)

overshoot (39700) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837103)

It's not like it hasn't been obvious that this has been US domestic policy for several years.

Are you guys serious... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23837119)

...this is a fucking war.

It's about war (2, Insightful)

Olentangy (118364) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837123)

News flash: during war armies also advocate killing people.

We're talking about war here.

In other words (4, Insightful)

Stickerboy (61554) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837131)

War is hell, film at 11.

Insurgencies/counterinsurgencies are a fight over the support of a population. The notion, which is implied in the summary, that wars can be fought in an environment devoid of the infrastructure of law and order with an attention to civil niceties that peacetime domestic civilian police forces can't live up to is ridiculous. The population will realize that your side is hamstringing itself while the other side has no such qualms and choose sides accordingly. That is what happened in Iraq for the first year or so of the Iraq insurgency - domestic Sunni and foreign jihadist groups terrorized the population whenever the American flag wasn't around, while the American occupation went around promising new water plants and soccer parks. No wonder the American intelligence gathering efforts were so effective back then - new soccer park vs. we will kill you and every member of your family if you cooperate.

HeavensBlade23 (0, Troll)

nawcom (941663) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837169)

I find it interesting that HeavensBlade23 submitted it, knowing that Bush will only follow his invisible leader in the sky. Nothing bad about the submitter at all so don't interpret this the wrong way; it just made me remember some of excuses of with dumb war that came from "Mr. President"'s own mouth. And I thought he said the mission was accomplished. The question I ask is which mission was that?

A Sign is Posted (-1, Flamebait)

Orleron (835910) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837175)

"Please don't feed the Liberals."

One important detail (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23837197)

As the above have pointed out, the manual is for SF units behind enemy lines. The emphasis however, is on "enemy". Cause last I checked, Bosnia had not actually declared war on US. Nor Cuba. Nor Vietnam. etc.

So this is not quite "war". This is "we don't like you, so we'll send our guys to blow up your infrastructure". When we do it to "them", we're aiding democracy. When 'they' do it to 'us', it's called terrorism.

Fellows, I'm all for cynicism in war. Most people really don't get the extremes that become routine in real war. But I repeat - this manual will never actually be used in "war". It'll be used against whoever Uncle Sam says is the "enemy"; I think we all know how well that's worked out. (cf Saddam in 1983 vs. 1991, Shah of Iran in 1953 vs 1971, etc..)

You've missed who this is published for (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837345)

This is for special ops. You're acting as if this is the CIA manual (I'm sure one exists, but that's an argument for another thread). This is a _military_ manual where one would anticipate that we are at war with the offending country.

I'm curious, would you prefer unrestricted nuclear attacks? Personally, I've always been partial to renaming Iraq "New Iowa", but I can understand that thousands of square miles of radioactive glass may actually not be preferable to taking a government down from within.

So basically the Army wants to win (1)

nenya (557317) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837209)

Say what you like about the people who actually operate the armed forces, they aren't stupid. They know what they have to do to win. Whether or not the civilian political classes will let them is a different issue, and whether or not they should is another one still. But if you really do want to suppress an insurgency, this is kind of what you have to do.

Next question?

Re:So basically the Army wants to win (1)

mrraven (129238) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837337)

Yeah never mind minor niceties like international law, or basic human decency. You would have made a good Nazi, victory for dubious goals, at any cost is your ONLY consideration. And no it's not a violation of Godwin's law when a person is actually advocating Nazi war tactics.

Obvious (4, Insightful)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837217)

It directly advocates training paramilitaries,

Chapter 23: Recruiting The Locals

pervasive surveillance,

Chapter 1: Know What The Enemy Is Up To

censorship,

Chapter 15: Maintaining Classified Data

press control

Chapter 15: Maintaining Classified Data

and restrictions on labor unions & political parties.

Chapter 8: Building A New Government (new since Iraq mission)

It directly advocates warrantless searches,

Chapter 2: The Element Of Surprise

And it directly advocates the extensive use of 'psychological operations' (propaganda) to make these and other 'population & resource control' measures more palatable.

Chapter 3: Getting The Locals On Your Side

Honestly, WTF would you think would be in an operations manual? This is standard stuff for every army in the world. I mean, warrantless searches? My mind boggles that anyone would ever suspect otherwise.

Does anyone... (4, Insightful)

DnemoniX (31461) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837221)

Seriously how do people get surprised by this stuff? And no I do not mean the whole, "well the government is a bunch of criminals" mentality that has been dominating every thread like this. I mean WAR, plain and simple, is nasty business. Tactics such as those discussed in this manual have been in the playbook of armed combat since the dawn of war. Anyone who doubts that really needs to go pick up some history books. Hell that sounds just like the Roman Legions best practices guide to me. People need to get over the fact that war is dirty business period. This manual doesn't even warrant news. Before I get flamed, no I am not being cynical or being a war monger, just stating the obvious.

Have to say it. (-1, Offtopic)

portwojc (201398) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837253)

Cherry picking what to bold and what not to bold is fun.

Clean up after your war crimes... (4, Funny)

mrraven (129238) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837271)

I liked the part environmental impact. Now remember boys and girls after violating international law and illegally foreign civilians clean up your messes. That is American morality in a nutshell focus on the trivial and utterly miss the big picture. And I say that as both an American citizen and environmentalist, but also above all a humanist.

In other words . . . (1)

PeeAitchPee (712652) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837273)

. . . it advocates using the same tactics the Iraq insurgents have been using rather successfully since the beginning of the war. Apparently, the US Special Forces get to play by the same rules, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

It always bugs me when someone posts a thinly-veiled rant about how evil the US military is, but gives the insurgents a free pass for the way they conduct their operations. I didn't see anything about beheadings or suicide bombings in your list.

What we learned about running death squads... (5, Informative)

js_sebastian (946118) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837299)

From TFA:

The manual, Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces (1994, 2004), may be critically described as "what we learned about running death squads and propping up corrupt government in Latin America and how to apply it to other places". Its contents are both history defining for Latin America and, given the continued role of US Special Forces in the suppression of insurgencies, including in Iraq and Afghanistan, history making.
This has nothing to do with "war is war". These are tactics for keeping a corrupt government in place by killing, torturing and otherwise terrorizing any opposition (this includes legitimate, non-violent opposition, labor unions, etc) and the general population. This was applied in places like el Salvador or Nicaragua, and please remember that THE US WERE NOT AT WAR WITH THESE COUNTRIES. In fact, there is no war in Iraq either, right? Mission accomplished...

War can be waged with honour (1)

futuramarama (687115) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837303)

There are many here who say that war has never been a humane activity and so this release is no surprise.

But the doctrine of Just War has existed for centuries and has been practiced more or less successfully at times.

Particularly, to my knowledge, the European powers after Westphalia, where only professional armies took the field, bought their supplies rather than pillaged and treated their captives with dignity.

There were exceptions, probably, but on the whole the wars fought were not bitter struggles where any means necessary was advocated

Wow. Just wow. (3, Informative)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837325)

I've scanned the comments, and after reading the respoonses from my countrymen I amd ashamed and appalled.

There was an item on the radio in the news today that the Gitmo prisoners are suffering from TSS and show evidence of torture. When will Americans wake up and demand accountability? Like excellence, mediocrity and criminality come from the top.

Bush, Cheney, the Secretary of "defense", and a whole lot of other people need to be tried and convicted of war crimes. The actions of my government are past shameful.

We deserve the vitriol hurled at us by the rest of the world. For the first time in my 56 years I'm ashamed to be an American.

Bush and all the people he has appointed should be impeached, tried, found guilty of treason and war crimes, and set in front of a firing squad and shot.

Not even Hirohito damaged my country as much as the current administration.

breathless story summary delivery (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837329)

as if any of this is shocking

are there people out there who are so sheltered and naive that they find anything in that document out of the ordinary?

i don't mean ordinary for the usa, i mean ordinary for the world

It directly Advocates (1)

CrashNBrn (1143981) | more than 6 years ago | (#23837377)

It directly Advocates directly advocating directives which are direct and advocatable.

Oooo Scary. Not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#23837383)

BFD... I utterly fail to see the so-called immorality here. Even reading the editor-chosen bolded parts that I guess were supposed to blow me away, failed to introduce even a minor stir to my immorality meter. The document doesn't talk about assassination, kidnapping, torture, or anything of that matter but that won't stop people from seeing and reading whatever it is that they want to read into the document.
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