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Firefox 3.5.1 Released

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the dot-oh-always-begs-for-fixes dept.

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alek writes "A day after Slashdot reports about a self-inflicted vulnerability in Firefox 3.5, Mozilla releases 3.5.1. It addresses that security issue, but also fixes the annoying slow-startup on Windows. Bummer the UNIX wars have subsided, because apparently they also had to fix a problem where Firefox on a Sparc platform would crash when visiting www.hp.com!"

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FROSTY PISS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28726495)

Fuck this open source shit! This just proves that your precious bullshit has vulnerabilities as well.

Slashdot is the haven for FOSS fags.



That is all.

Re:FROSTY PISS (2, Insightful)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726553)

I have yet to see a single blue screen on Linux.

FOSS isn't perfect, it's just a whole lot better than one of the competitors.

and I enjoy my FOSS haven very much, thank you.

Re:FROSTY PISS (5, Funny)

basementman (1475159) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726565)

So what your saying is Microsoft could fix all of their problems by changing the color of the screen?

Re:FROSTY PISS (5, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726713)

Make it black and hope people just think they accidently turned their computer off.

Re:FROSTY PISS (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28727621)

Make it black and hope

Obama-mode

Re:FROSTY PISS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28727893)

That's a good solution! Instead of observing the blue screen with pure horror in their eyes, like a deer in the headlights, the users power cycle the machines since they really can't do anything about it at that time. It just need to have a way to log the bugcheck somehow for that administrative pleasure..

Green and red indicators of death (3, Funny)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28729089)

So what your saying is Microsoft could fix all of their problems by changing the color of the screen?

Microsoft tried that twice on the Xbox 360, and people continued to complain about the red ring of death (general hardware failure) and the green screen of death (E74 error).

Blue screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28726595)

Very funny. When I forget to turn off compositing before full-screening the movie player, the system reliably locks up. No Ctrl+Alt+F1, no utterly boring elephant raising, no numlock toggle, and most importantly, because it makes you right: no blue screen. It's just black.

Re:Blue screen (4, Informative)

EsbenMoseHansen (731150) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726633)

Actually, the linux blue screen of death is blinking of 2 (or is it three?) of the keyboard leds. Though support for blue screen of death is coming, by the name of kernel mode-settting. It is pretty rare, though.

Lockups I have seen, too, in both linux and windows. Lots of cases is hardware problems, but your problem sounds like a driver issue. Using proprietary drivers, perhaps?

Re:Blue screen (4, Interesting)

Zancarius (414244) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726683)

Lockups I have seen, too, in both linux and windows. Lots of cases is hardware problems, but your problem sounds like a driver issue. Using proprietary drivers, perhaps?

This is true. I've had my share of complete freezes under Linux. Ironically though, SSH access to the box still typically works and I can kill X if ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't work. It's rare to have a freeze that completely evicts all sense of response from the system (though I've had this happen before).

Interestingly, the last unusual behavior I had under Linux was when a video card blew 4 out of 7 or 8 capacitors. That was a real treat.

Re:Blue screen (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28726871)

You can hardly call it a complete freeze if "only" X is frozen. Still pretty annoying but as you say you can usually recover by killing and restarting X.

Re:Blue screen (4, Insightful)

TheLink (130905) | more than 5 years ago | (#28727137)

> Still pretty annoying but as you say you can usually recover by killing and restarting X.

a) If you are a "Desktop Linux" user running actual Desktop applications, that means you lose most of your unsaved work (if there is a way to not lose the unsaved work, please let me know).
b) If you use X as just a way to run screen/vi/emacs and browsers, then you are less affected.

Basically if I let my mom/uncle/aunt use "Desktop Linux" and X locks up, it's effectively as bad as a BSOD for them.

Saying X freezing is not a problem since you can usually recover by killing and restarting it is like saying that Windows 95 is stable as long as you regularly shutdown/exit to dos and type win to restart it[1].

[1] you could actually do that in the old days of Win 95 :).

Re:Blue screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28728459)

I think what they're saying is that Linux freezing up is not a problem because they don't mind when Linux freezes up, only when Windows does.

Re:Blue screen (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 5 years ago | (#28728791)

If your app is written sensibly, it will either autosave periodically or will write what it's got open to disk if you "kill -term" its PID.

The latter's no help for naive users, of course.

Re:Blue screen (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 5 years ago | (#28729689)

I suspect kmail/kontakt does autosave periodically, but apparently it's broken in some way: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-bugs-dist&m=122605713921371&w=2 [kde.org]

Anyway the last I used it, when I try to save an email draft while working on it, it closes the draft. The KDE people seem to think that just because I want to save my work it means that I want to close it too.

Then there's Openoffice:

http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=10604&hilit=autosave [openoffice.org]

It should probably be fixed by now, but what it shows to me is how seriously they value their users work - not seriously enough.

As it is, I'm going to have to assume that most apps are NOT written sensibly.

FWIW, so far my windows, Linux and *BSD machines have not crashed on me for months :). But back when I was using Opensuse 10.x, it did lock up on me a few times, maybe it was an interaction with vmware GSX (which I was running on it).

Re:Blue screen (1)

maestroX (1061960) | more than 5 years ago | (#28729853)

If you are a "Desktop Linux" user running actual Desktop applications, that means you lose most of your unsaved work (if there is a way to not lose the unsaved work, please let me know).

man tee

Re:Blue screen (4, Insightful)

msuarezalvarez (667058) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726951)

Ironically though, SSH access to the box still typically works...

That is not ironic: it is good design...

Re:Blue screen (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28728173)

Hrm? It seems that X completely locked up with no way to reset it. The fact that other processes such as sshd are unaffected is of small consolation if you don't have another terminal to access them. A better design would be to allow the user some way to kill/restart X on the same machine (most people only have one machine.) The fact that if X goes down, it also eats all user input (except the power/reset button) seems not such a good design to me...

Re:Blue screen (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726977)

This is exactly what I was going to suggest. SSH usually runs fine, or using CTRL+ALT+Backspace... if X crashes you won't be able to CTRL+ALT+FX I'm pretty sure.

I've only ever had Linux hard lock when I've been testing out early alpha stuff on a sandbox (used to be an old machine, now it's just a VM).

If you can't bring it back and you're not doing something stupid then it's probably hardware, so you might want to run some diags.

Re:Blue screen (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28727025)

If you can't bring it back and you're not doing something stupid then it's probably hardware

As I said in the "Blue screen" post, I can't even use the "Magic SysRq key [wikipedia.org] ". I've invested several days in solving this. I'm definitely not doing something stupid. It definitely isn't the hardware. It's a problem between ATI's drivers and the rest of the OS.

Re:Blue screen (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28729053)

That's not a "complete freeze". When the machine literally hangs (infinite loop in a driver or something) or shuts off spontaneously or kernel panics and halts, that's a complete freeze. I assure you that ssh is not functioning in this situation. I've certainly had both happen to me. I hear that a lot of the "beachballs" on the Mac these days are similar, and if you have the ssh daemon running and another machine to log in with, you can at least restart safely if not kill the offending program. OTOH I've had beachballs where ssh wasn't working, too.

Re:Blue screen (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28726699)

Using proprietary drivers, perhaps?

Yes, indeed I do. I wasn't trying to be bashing/trolling here, just pointing out the sub-optimal end-user experience. My ATI card (RV710 [Radeon HD 4350]) is by no means rare and I can't afford to buy another, more "compatible", one.

Re:Blue screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28727907)

"Agnosticism is the absence of decisiveness."

No, I've simply decided to not participate in your little game of false choices.

Re:FROSTY PISS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28726789)

I also haven't seen a decent office suite, graphics software, audio software, video editing software or game on Linux either. It's not hard to remain stable when your OS doesn't actually do anything, but even then I've seen Linux crash plenty of times.

Re:FROSTY PISS (0, Troll)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726957)

I'm surprised you would be running linux since it doesn't run any software or games you use and crashes all the time with you. I'll admit if I was a games junky I wouldn't use linux....I'd use a playstation. I'm sure you love windoze and all it's yummy malware goodness but I think you're a blatant liar about how many crashes you've seen on linux. I haven't seen a single system lockup since the 2.6 kernel and I doubt a windoze fanboy that can't find any decent linux software runs linux often enough to see "plent" of linux crashes. I call bullshit.

Re:FROSTY PISS (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28729167)

I'm an ex-Amigan non-fanboy who has seen plenty of crashes and Lockups on Linux. I am currently sitting at Windows Vista but I do have a Debian system running. It's a cute little DT Research DT168, a sub-ten-watt Geode LX system that shares out my MyBook (XFS-formatted and loving it) to the Xbox and other Windows systems in the house.

I tried to run Linux on this system, but there are two major problems. One, HP uses the microsoft tools to create things like ACPI configurations. These tools are deliberately constructed to create barely-compliant or even noncompliant configurations which are nonetheless understood by Windows. Two, nVidia continues to be incapable of putting out a driver for Linux which even approaches the quality of the Windows driver. I have an allegedly professional-level graphics card (Quadro 2700M) but numerous features do not work correctly under Linux, like HDMI out, or multi-monitor configurations (disconnect external display, can't use X until you bang on the X config. WTF?)

What I'd really like is to use something like Moblin, down the road. But so far Intel is doing their best to make sure I won't want to run it. Even on my lady's intel-all-the-way Dell laptop, the graphics support was glitchy and the wifi card was unsupported. Why would they focus on netbooks to the exclusion of related hardware? It's almost like they don't want me to see any value in buying intel.

Anyway, I have been using Linux since Kernel 1.1.47 and have seen more than my share of lockups and crashes. But just installing Linux on this laptop and trying to use it correctly will produce them. It's not really Linux's fault, but pretending that it "just works" for as many people as Windows does is just not reasonable. Once you get it working, it is much more stable in most cases, but getting it there is beyond many people's reach.

Re:FROSTY PISS (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#28728539)

I have yet to see a single blue screen on Linux.

I have. I've also seen the sad mac face, Apple ][ corruption, kernel panics, etc.

Joking aside, I've had the equivalent of a BSOD on Linux several times on different types of hardware. All but one case was bad hardware, one was a kernel bug (fixed upstream in two days).

Re:FROSTY PISS (1)

SyscRAsH (127068) | more than 5 years ago | (#28727559)

Fuck this open source shit! This just proves that your precious bullshit has vulnerabilities as well.
Slashdot is the haven for FOSS fags.

Jeez Bill, it's really easy to tell when you haven't had *your* coffee in the morning.

Re:FROSTY PISS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28728569)

Not as easy as it is to tell when I've had your mom in the morning.

Bill

Re:FROSTY PISS (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28728759)

I was raised by two men, you insensitive clod!

I'd fix bugs and contribute quality code (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28726539)

But I need build instructions and test instructions and possibly a youtube video, written/made for a student, not for a programmer that already knows a number of things about firefox. That is the way I feel about most open-source projects. I don't want to contribute in huge quantities, but only bugfixes, in any area and not limited to any particular technology. Sadly, I see such build-instructions missing or the build-instructions are too complicated in major open-source projects that could use bug-fixers early in the cycle.

Me too (0)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726563)

I also find that not only are build process instructions strangely lacking, but also that there are big holes in instructions on how to debug source code. Likewise, I sometimes get a stack dump, but there aren't any instructions on what to do with that kind of info. I just ignore it.

Re:I'd fix bugs and contribute quality code (4, Interesting)

koreaman (835838) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726603)

You should try fixing some bugs in Sunbird, if Mozilla interests you but the hugeness of Firefox is intimidating. I was able to contribute code (granted, only two lines) to Sunbird that fixed a real live bug, and I was in high school at the time.

Re:I'd fix bugs and contribute quality code (4, Informative)

EsbenMoseHansen (731150) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726645)

Here, let me click on the top link for "firefox build instructions" in google: simple firefox build [mozilla.org] . Looks pretty standard to me. Tests, if there are any, are usually automated or findable by a similar exercise.

Re:I'd fix bugs and contribute quality code (0, Flamebait)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726715)

If you need build instructions, and you don't know how to search for them, then you shouldn't be building anything, stupid. Just download the binary and RUN IT. If you can't do that, then your Mama is probably gonna spank you for messing with her computer anyway. Walk away from the machine NOW, before you are caught.

Anger problem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28726745)

Anger problem.

Re:I'd fix bugs and contribute quality code (1, Funny)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726801)

Reiser is that you? I didn't know they let you have internet access now.

Re:I'd fix bugs and contribute quality code (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#28729061)

litmus [mozilla.org]
mozilla qa [mozilla.org]
Both seams simple but time consuming but i don't think they need to be done in one sitting (unless you are on the nighties), unfortunately Linux x86_64 only has nighties.

p.s does anybody know a good way to update firefox (mozilla builds) as launching it as root isn't great and the idea of installing a webbrowser somewhere it can update itself is retarded.

Re:I'd fix bugs and contribute quality code (1)

koreaman (835838) | more than 5 years ago | (#28729305)

Er... what's so bad about installing it to /home/yourusernamehere/bin?

So fast!! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28726545)

With that decrease in load time, I was able to get first post!

slow start for _some_ (4, Informative)

asa (33102) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726557)

Your post says "but also fixes the annoying slow-startup on Windows." which suggests that all Windows users were experiencing slow starts. That's not the case at all. It was only a small fraction of users affected by the now fixed issue. And for the record, the security flaw was already fixed, even before it was lifted from our bug database and turned into a public exploit. It just takes a few days to get everything in order for a release to users.

Re:slow start for _some_ (4, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726587)

slow start for _some_. Miniature Type-R stickers for others.

Re:slow start for _some_ (1)

Clay Pigeon -TPF-VS- (624050) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726589)

Was it OS dependent, or hardware dependent?

I had the issue in winxp 32bit sp3.

Re:slow start for _some_ (1)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726657)

Was it OS dependent, or hardware dependent?

I had the issue in winxp 32bit sp3.

Beats me - but I don't have it on that OS. It still takes 2 seconds to start.

Re:slow start for _some_ (2, Informative)

TheSeer2 (949925) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726787)

It was user situation dependent. Firefox was reading all of a user's temp files to seed its RNG or something along those lines so if you had a lot of large temp files your startup time would be quite large.

Regardless, it still takes 5x Chrome's startup time with the fix so... peh.

5 times 0 is still 0 (0, Redundant)

RudeIota (1131331) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726823)

Regardless, it still takes 5x Chrome's startup time with the fix so... peh.

It's true. ;-)

Re:slow start for _some_ (2, Insightful)

bunratty (545641) | more than 5 years ago | (#28729017)

I have never understood why people make such a big deal over Firefox startup times. It's a few seconds. On my two-year-old laptop, Firefox 3.5.1 starts in two seconds. Granted, Chrome starts in less than one second, but in absolute difference it's about a second.

Re:slow start for _some_ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28729629)

The problem wasn't that Firefox took a few seconds. The problem that it was taking minutes to start up.

Re:slow start for _some_ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28729943)

Plus.... 2 seconds, 1 second, 5 minutes who cares. As long as it eventually starts and I can get my porn. I'm cool.

Wow... what a non-issue. (start time I mean. not getting my porn - now that would mean heads would have to roll (pun intended).

Re:slow start for _some_ (4, Informative)

klui (457783) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726899)

OS dependent. They coded for the case where Windows CE/2000 did not have a certain call and they wanted to get good entropy for their RNG in NSS. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=501605 [mozilla.org]

Re:slow start for _some_ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28726605)

I hope they added some compatibility code as I've been to several sites since downloading 3.5 that have had issues with forms. Including papajohns.com and outlook webmail installations amongst others.

Re:slow start for _some_ (1)

cyber-vandal (148830) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726629)

Firefox has a healthy eating mode?

Re:slow start for _some_ (1)

0ld_d0g (923931) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726617)

Irrelevant. I bet when you patched the vulnerability, it might have also affected 'some' people. Its enough that the potential was there.

Re:slow start for _some_ (2, Interesting)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726635)

From the link, it appears that files (probably having an excessive amount of files) in the IE cache was slowing down Firefox cache? Isn't the Firefox cache entirely separate? Does it look in the IE cache to try to be friendly and helpful, and if so, can that behavior be turned off?

Re:slow start for _some_ (4, Interesting)

ahecht (567934) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726689)

NSS (Network Security Services) 3.12.3 is using IE temporary internet files to generate seeds. Sounds thoroughly stupid to me, as it means that if you never use Internet Explorer, your cryptographic seeds won't change. How about using the process list or something not Hard Drive dependent to generate the seeds instead?

Re:slow start for _some_ (5, Informative)

ahecht (567934) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726835)

On further study, it NSS DOES use process IDs and many, many other factors to generate the seeds. Searching the additional file locations ("C:\Documents and Settings\*user*\Local Settings\History", "C:\Documents and Settings\*user*\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files", "C:\Documents and Settings\*user*\My Recent Documents", "C:\Documents and Settings\*user*\Temp\", "Recycle Bin", and "Network Neighborhood") were added because some older OSs (Win2k and WinCE) didn't have strong enough build-in pseudo-random number generators.

This patch changed NSS to use the built-in PRNG in Windows XP and up which uses "process ID and thread ID, the system clock, the system time, the system counter, memory status, free disk clusters, andthe hashed user environment block".

Re:slow start for _some_ (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28726639)

And what should he have written instead of "It addresses that security issue"? "It contains the security fix that already existed but wasn't until now ready for a release to users"? Ugh.

Re:slow start for _some_ (2, Informative)

cratermoon (765155) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726649)

No less a personage than Brendan Eich says the whole issue with slow startup in the NSS module is snake oil that does nothing but "waste users' time at startup pretending to scrape entropy off the filesystem."

Re:slow start for _some_ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28729489)

It's always had a sluggish start up. At least, any release for the past few years.

Second I log into my machine, I open up Firefox, putty, and whatever else, let's say Visual Studio.

I can have a project loaded and be ssh'd into my server before the damn thing even starts up. Ridiculous.

Happens on every machine I use, which suggests that it's "something I'm doing wrong" or "add-ons" or whatever other excuse people seem to give other than "there's actually something wrong with this thing", but I assure you it's Firefox.

Good. (4, Insightful)

xlotlu (1395639) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726569)

Now I can re-enable TraceMonkey and slashdot will be fast again... sorta.

Re:Good. (1)

Inda (580031) | more than 5 years ago | (#28727867)

It is fast if you use the old layout, block 3rd party images, and Flash. Still looks like a site created in MS Word though. Good job it's not why I come here (still waiting for the meeting-girls-thing I was promised btw).

Someone tell it to Canonical. (0)

Faryshta (1362521) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726591)

FF 3.5 Hasn't yet been compiled for any of the versions of Ubuntu yet http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=FIREFOX [ubuntu.com]

Re:Someone tell it to Canonical. (3, Informative)

Eighty7 (1130057) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726681)

https://launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/ppa [launchpad.net]

Just add the fta repository & install "firefox-3.5". They even link to a mozilla daily build repository if that's your thing.

Re:Someone tell it to Canonical. (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726913)

So - who got brave, and installed FF 3.6? Am I that brave, or am I not? Hmmmm........

Re:Someone tell it to Canonical. (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 5 years ago | (#28729663)

I'm running it now. Works pretty ok... every now and then something flakes out (like, once every month at most) and I use it as my primary/only browser.

Re:Someone tell it to Canonical. (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726731)

Ahem [ubuntu.com]

Re:Someone tell it to Canonical. (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 5 years ago | (#28728299)

I use Ubuntu, but until it's upgradable via the standard mechanism I'm not interested. I'm suprised it's not available yet, to be honest. What's the hold up?

Re:Someone tell it to Canonical. (2, Informative)

Haiyadragon (770036) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726757)

Scroll down to firefox-3.5. Stupidly, this package doesn't overwrite the firefox package, meaning that applications will still use 3.0 to open links. Even if you remove the firefox package, firefox-3.5 is still not used. Changing the webbrowser in preferred applications seems to work on some applications...

Anyway, in the end I just simlinked like so: ln -s /usr/bin/firefox-3.5 /usr/bin/firefox, and everything worked great.

Re:Someone tell it to Canonical. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28727055)

Ubuntu uses update-alternatives to select between different packages providing the same functionality

to see which browsers are installed:

update-alternatives --list x-www-browser

to select firefox-3.5:

update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox-3.5

Re:Someone tell it to Canonical. (1)

Rhapsody Scarlet (1139063) | more than 5 years ago | (#28727429)

Scroll down to firefox-3.5. Stupidly, this package doesn't overwrite the firefox package, meaning that applications will still use 3.0 to open links. Even if you remove the firefox package, firefox-3.5 is still not used.

In Jaunty, this is because Firefox 3.0 remains the default version of Firefox (and the firefox package always points towards the default version of Firefox for that release). In Karmic, this is because the developers haven't switched the default from 3.0 to 3.5 yet, though they will soon [asoftsite.org] .

Re:Someone tell it to Canonical. (1)

tbi (1519213) | more than 5 years ago | (#28728007)

Although you've already found a solution, for anybody else having this problem, there is an arguably easier way to upgrade Firefox on Ubuntu short of using the 'Shiretoko' branded version. Just download the 'Ubuntuzilla.py' script ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/ [sourceforge.net] ) and then at the command line run 'ubuntuzilla.py -a install -p firefox' and follow any prompts.

HP.com (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726723)

they also had to fix a problem where Firefox on a Sparc platform would crash when visiting www.hp.com!"

Anyone that sees a downside to not accessing hp.com must not use NoScript.

Holy negatives Batman! (2, Funny)

XanC (644172) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726817)

"Now correct me if I'm incorrect, but was I told it's untrue that people in Springfield have no faith? Was I not misinformed?"

Re:HP.com (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28728983)

I have an HP laptop, and I need to visit HP for drivers and such. Luckily, HP's website mostly works without JS most of the time. Some features, however, absolutely require it (like live chat.) Getting HP support through chat is marginally less frustrating than having to do it on the phone in most cases.

Google Gears disabled again?! (5, Insightful)

sakis (84255) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726749)

Kind of offtopic, but by upgrading to FF 3.5.1, Google Gears is again disabled. Why did Google allowed it to be compatible with only 3.5.0?!

Re:Google Gears disabled again?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28728069)

I suppose the conspiracy theory angle is that they're deliberately doing a shitty job with Gears on Firefox so that more people will use Chrome. But it's probably more likely that their people working on Firefox simply don't know what the hell they're doing. If they can't manage to make their extension compatible with subsequent minor revisions, it sure as hell isn't Firefox's fault.

Re:Google Gears disabled again?! (2, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | more than 5 years ago | (#28728259)

Perhaps their time machine isn't working and they couldn't check that future releases worked, and decided it was safer to only support version of Firefox they're sure about. You can always wait, if it's important for you, or upgrade then downgrade again if you didn't want to check first and have to have it working for you. It's better than the alternative - Google allowing what is essentially an untested upgrade.

Re:Google Gears disabled again?! (1)

Will Work For Joules (1599949) | more than 5 years ago | (#28728489)

I don't know, but at this rate, Google Gears is completely useless for me. I've just begun to use a local mail and calendar client (which I guess is better practice anyway).

Re:Google Gears disabled again?! (1)

flydpnkrtn (114575) | more than 5 years ago | (#28729779)

You can unzip the xpi and edit the actual "version identifier" to bump it to 3.5.1 if you're impatient :)

Nice article on how to do this here [mozillazine.org]

Swiss Cheese (0, Troll)

Zoidbot (1194453) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726947)

Now I might be wrong, but neither Chrome, Opera, Safari or even IE has needed updates are frequently as Firefix does...

More holes than swiss cheese...

And from Unix wars... (2, Funny)

Fotograf (1515543) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726959)

will obviously rise the new Desktop OS, the Unix peace will mark year of BSD on desktop!!

Re:And from Unix wars... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#28727657)

Isn't that OS X?

BSD isn't dead heck it has overtaken Linux by strides and is a serious contender to windows. Just just downplay the BSD roots of the OS.

Great... (1)

VulpesFoxnik (1493687) | more than 5 years ago | (#28726981)

Great. Iceweasel 3.5 just entered Debian Experimental... I'll likely have to continue to run with jit off for another month.

[/ half joking ]

problem? (3, Funny)

shacky003 (1595307) | more than 5 years ago | (#28727035)

"...fix a problem where Firefox on a Sparc platform would crash when visiting www.hp.com!" Much like the memory leak to nowhere, It wasn't a problem - it was a feature!

version numbers (1)

mdew (651926) | more than 5 years ago | (#28727179)

Going by previous versions of firefox, shouldn't it be 3.5.0.1 rather than 3.5.1?

Re:version numbers (4, Informative)

Rhapsody Scarlet (1139063) | more than 5 years ago | (#28727405)

Going by previous versions of firefox, shouldn't it be 3.5.0.1 rather than 3.5.1?

Mozilla decided to simplify that with Firefox 3 (note that the upcoming security release for Firefox 3 is 3.0.12, not 3.0.0.12). Exactly why they used four numbers in the first place is something I don't know, it seems it started with Firefox 1.5. I know that one advantage touted of XPCOM was the ability to easily make incremental updates, so maybe there was a plan for a Firefox 1.5.1 and 1.5.2 (with the final number for each being used for security updates). Of course that would've been complicated and silly, so it seems the plan was abandoned and the version number compacted.

Yet more links to IE (1)

dugeen (1224138) | more than 5 years ago | (#28727221)

First Firefox starts depending on the IE security settings, now this - has it started using the IE temporary internet files as well? I'm starting to wonder if Mozilla are being paid by MS to promote their line that IE and the OS's networking model are one and the same thing.

Re:Yet more links to IE (1)

Krupuk (978265) | more than 5 years ago | (#28728437)

The thing with the IE security settings really bugs me. I have to use Opera to download at certain sites, because IE and FF won't allow it, whatever I set the settings to. To be completely independant of IE is one of the main reasons I use FF, why change that?

Re:Yet more links to IE (2, Interesting)

thejynxed (831517) | more than 5 years ago | (#28728529)

If you think that is bad enough, just use Process Explorer and click on Firefox.exe in the process list. You'll be extremely saddened by all the IE-specific nonsense that Firefox apparently is now reliant on.

Firefox even decides to load driver files (.dll files and others) for Windows services I specifically have disabled.

Firefox, do you honestly need to start winspool.drv, dnsapi.dll, rasadhlp.dll, rasapi32.dll, ieframe.dll, ieframe.dll.mui, etc? Really? Even with the associated services disabled? When the associated hardware is not installed (printer, 56k modem)?

Note: I've checked the process threads of Opera and other browsers, and they don't load half of the shit that Firefox.exe does.

We won't even go into why Firefox would load sound drivers. A second time. After the OS already has them loaded.

And people wonder why Firefox has memory leaks from hell.

Still, this is my browser of choice, because Opera is just horribly hideous to look at and doesn't work on half of the websites I visit. IE8 at least is a serious improvement over any previous version of IE. Chrome is just...let us just say I don't need Google recording every single link I click on and selling the information or providing me with targeted advertising 24/7. It's bad enough I use GMail (at least for unimportant things).

Oh yeah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28727643)

Now fix the terrible bug with Flash that has suddenly shown its ugly head since FF3+ (2 was perfectly fine!)

I work with Flash files, sad thing, yes, but i do.
I actually use the context menu for Flash while using it.
The Flash menu takes AGES to open. Hell, it even slows down opening the context menu from the titlebar!

This shit will not do. I hate Flash as much as most people, and would rather see video/canvas take off.

Flash context menu (1)

viralMeme (1461143) | more than 5 years ago | (#28728215)

"The Flash menu takes AGES to open. Hell, it even slows down opening the context menu from the titlebar!"

Do you have any URLs that demonstrate this slowdown?

Firefox 3.5.1 released (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28727661)

so can anyone tell me why Firefox felt like it had to scan my hard drive in the first place? i had it set to delete history on exit. why then did it feel like it had to go looking in *other* programs' folders for history files?

Re:Firefox 3.5.1 released (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28728961)

why then did it feel like it had to go looking in *other* programs' folders for history files?

So that other programs can't guess the pseudorandom numbers that Firefox uses to set up SSL connections.

Ummm... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#28727691)

What Unix war? There is the normal bantering from people saying their version of Unix is better then the rest (Which for the most part is normally the version of Unix they know the best) but a Unix war. I haven't heard anything about it. Other then OS X all the other Unixes are in heavy competition against Linux and Windows for its survival.

Re:Ummm... (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 5 years ago | (#28729103)

What Unix war? There is the normal bantering from people saying their version of Unix is better then the rest (Which for the most part is normally the version of Unix they know the best) but a Unix war. I haven't heard anything about it. Other then OS X all the other Unixes are in heavy competition against Linux and Windows for its survival.

The first rule of the Unix war is nobody talks about the Unix war. The MIB are on their way, please stay calm.

gpg: Note: This key has expired! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28727815)

gpg --verify "Firefox Setup 3.5.1.exe.asc"
gpg: Signature made 07/15/09 19:56:19 using DSA key ID 17785FE8
gpg: Good signature from "Mozilla Software Releases <releases@mozilla.org>"
gpg: Note: This key has expired!
Primary key fingerprint: 8D6F 1BA4 A340 4DDB 3F2F  D080 7447 4499 8123 47DD
     Subkey fingerprint: 3338 E6BA FF10 3B3D A6A9  E424 B57B 5484 1778 5FE8

mod DowN (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28727955)

fly...3on't fear where it belongs, not anymore. It's from the OpenBSD consider worthwhile

In case you can't find it... (2, Informative)

wembley fraggle (78346) | more than 5 years ago | (#28728473)

On the macintosh version at least, the 'check for updates' menu item is in the Help menu. Because that's clearly where it belongs. I only found it because I was just about to search the help for advice on where to find it.

What about freezes on long pages w/many links? (1)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 5 years ago | (#28729615)

I've been using the OS X version of Firefox 3.5 on a Mac Pro and I've experienced a problem where the browser freezes (spinning beach-ball icon) every time I log onto my EasyNews account and do a search or request a list of content in a newsgroup that has a large number of results.

Typically, it will quickly display the first page full of results, then freeze a second or two after that. If I wait long enough (several minutes or more) and come back to the browser, then sometimes I find it's no longer frozen and I can scroll on down to the bottom of the page. Other times, it seemed to be permanently frozen (but I honestly never tried waiting HOURS or anything to see if it ever un-froze).

I anxiously applied the 3.51 update, hoping it addressed this problem ... but nope. Exact same issue.

Oddly enough, my friend using a 24" iMac says he can't replicate my problem in Firefox at all, though we're both on the same version of OS X and both have EasyNews accounts.

I already tried the usual "Mac troubleshooting" ... running a "repair permissions" in Disk Utility, deleting all the "prefs" files related to Firefox, etc. No luck.

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