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Julian Assange To Write For Swedish Tabloid

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the getting-a-job-for-the-insurance dept.

Communications 337

An anonymous reader writes "Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has signed on as a columnist for Swedish tabloid Aftonbladet. Why such a move? Maybe there's something more to be found in Swedish law when you are employed by a newspaper." Here's an account in English, including a translation of the interview that forms part of the linked Aftenbladet article.

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How has he made his living (3, Funny)

line-bundle (235965) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259406)

Perhaps he just needs to earn a living like the rest of us?

Re:How has he made his living (4, Funny)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259412)

Of course! Securing employment as a Swedish tabloid columnist: That was his plan all along!
It's so obvious, now...

Re:How has he made his living (4, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259614)

It's much more insidious than that.

He's already been compromised. CIA operatives intercepted him in his hotel room, doped him up with rohypnol and scopolamine, and hypnotized him into destroying the credibility of himself and Wikileaks.

Now Wikileaks will fade into obscurity forever...st least until they unearth the whereabouts of batboy. [wikipedia.org]

Re:How has he made his living (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260026)

destroying the credibility of himself and Wikileaks.

Funny how you said that considering the credibility of a evening paper such as Aftonbladet.

Whatever sell is on for them.

Re:How has he made his living (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33260202)

I don't think that's ever been a problem for Julian in entire adult life. Do you really think the 100's of K in donations is nobly used only for his great cause? This guy isn't exactly taking public transportation and living is substandard housing. He is fond of telling people he 'has no home'; that he is essentially 'homeless'. However he travels the world to his so-called '4 bases', at his whim, all expenses paid by donors. Do you think he flies coach? He certainly does not live the austere, spartan lifestyle that he allows people to believe his does.

Reminds me of those beggars on the corner holding signs asking for money and saying 'god bless'. Looking closely you can see many of them have nice shoes and good teeth. When walking up to give them a few quid, you find they don't reek of filth (i.e. they bathe regularly) and have clearly shaved that morning. They have no callouses on their hands and are wearing a decent watch. It's all just a show to encourage support and funds.

His life story is all very dramatic, complete with hacker theism and running from dangerous cults. Of course, none of it can be really verified, but who needs that when you have a marketable personage, right? I've been looking into his background for some time, and the only thing I can even come close to verifying is his birthplace of Townsville, Australia (and even that I cannot completely verify without actually going to Australia). All the so-called facts are taken from interviewers who apparently just take Julian's fantastical stories at face value. I suppose it's conceivable that it's all true, but if he were standing up for a cause that was not such an egalitarian, "nothing hidden that will not be revealed" crusade, I am certain he would be known as a far more pedestrian and boring person.

A man once said "The inferior fight to be equal, and the equal fight to be superior.". I think Julian is working his way to the end of that truism.

Re:How has he made his living (5, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260520)

Do you think he flies coach?

I'll absolutely bet he flies coach. But that's not the story, is it? The story is that we're supposed to want to kill the messenger for showing what lots of us would prefer stays hidden in the shadows.

We're not supposed to know about all the greasy things our government does in the name of "national security" and we're supposed to like it that way. Any challenge to this tacit agreement between citizen and government is met with extreme prejudice, because what kind of society would we be if we actually had to account for our collective actions?

I don't think the fact that Assange is still alive should give us any indication of his personal security. There are lots of ways to neutralize a threat to the power structure. We have lots of examples of how actual assassination is no longer necessary to remove a threat. Have you noticed how much news space has been taken up demonstrating that Assange may in fact may not be a perfect human being? I don't think those stories are materializing out of nowhere. Very few news stories do any more. So the main focus becomes Assange and his human foibles instead of the massive fuck-up in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

I hope dozens of wikileaks copycats spring up around the world. This responsibility should not be in the hands of any one person. I think this is a more worthy use for the Internet than just more commerce. In a decade, things like wikileaks won't be possible, especially without a world-wide movement toward net neutrality. Some people prefer not knowing about war crimes, and I guess I can understand that, unless you happen to be one of the victims.

A Swedish tabloid? (2, Funny)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259426)

Excellent! He'll find Jimmy Hoffa for sure... and expose those alien cats that try to steal my breath while I'm asleep.

Re:A Swedish tabloid? (0)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259438)

Do the Swedish tabloids report on alien cats? I figured they'd be more worried about alien reindeer. :p

Re:A Swedish tabloid? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33259498)

Aftonbladet is mostly famous for not being able to use a headline that does not contain at least two of the words death, shock, naked, sex and storm.
You can hardly write an article on alien raindeer with that limit.

ALIEN DEATHSHOCK REINDEER INVASION (2, Informative)

AffidavitDonda (1736752) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259550)

Alien deathshock reindeers storming Stockholm. All the secret files now on Wikileaks!

works good enough...

Re:A Swedish tabloid? (2, Funny)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259600)

Dammit, I wish we had Sex-Storms here in the states.

Re:A Swedish tabloid? (2, Funny)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259986)

Meteorologists are currently predicting a warm front in my pants. Yeah, baby!

Re:A Swedish tabloid? (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259484)

That's no cat, you fool.

Re:A Swedish tabloid? (1)

daveime (1253762) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259834)

It's a Space Station.

Well... (4, Insightful)

CSFFlame (761318) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259448)

Is he looking for support from the laws that protect journalists?

Re:Well... (5, Insightful)

dingen (958134) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259490)

Or maybe the Swedish tabloid just figured he was a guy who would write interesting stuff for the readers, asked him if he was available for such a position and mister Assange agreed to write them some columns.

Re:Well... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33259510)

Yes, and I have a bridge to sell you. No, Aftonbladet is for these moral abortions such as Assange what a pile of crap is for flies. Read the editorials for laughs.

Re:Well... (-1, Troll)

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Re:Well... (1)

The Grim Reefer2 (1195989) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260218)

Or maybe the Swedish tabloid just figured he was a guy who would write interesting stuff for the readers, asked him if he was available for such a position and mister Assange agreed to write them some columns.

You still believe in Santa Claus don't you? ;-)

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33260226)

You're both right.

Re:Well... (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260070)

It gives him a connection to Sweden. But Aftonbladets "Utgivningsbevis" would be given to Aftonbladet and the one at the top of the responsibility chain would be the legally responsible publisher of Aftonbaldet. So I don't think that alone would help Wikileaks. It would help him say whatever he wanted though, as long as Aftonbladet decided to publish it.

Relevance??? (1, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259488)

So his site hosted some content provided by someone else, and now we care what he does in his personal life?

I know, I know, I'm a troll, blah blah blah.

I'm MUCH more interested in the people who provide the CONTENT for Wikileaks. This guy is just another Drudge.

Re:Relevance??? (4, Insightful)

qbzzt (11136) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259844)

I'm sure the CIA is also much more interested in the people who provide the content for Wikileaks. Unfortunately, that's harder to find and publish.

Re:Relevance??? (1)

BatGnat (1568391) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260328)

I wonder if the CIA actually was to get their hands on a list of all the people who have "donated" to wikiLeaks, and wikiLeaks was leaked a copy of the document, would wikiLeaks publish it....?

Re:Relevance??? (3, Interesting)

qbzzt (11136) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260340)

A more interesting question is whether any documents on wikiLeaks are already fakes donated by agents of one government or another.

Read the title and thought ... (1)

pmsr (560617) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259492)

... well, it must be Aftonbladet.

Tabloid? (3, Interesting)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259508)

Does the term 'tabloid' have the connotation of 'Weekly World News' in the rest of the world as it does in the United States, or does the term still have to do with the tabloid format as opposed to broadsheet when doing pre-press layout? Just curious as to what sort of reputation this paper has.

Re:Tabloid? (4, Informative)

hpa (7948) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259518)

Aftonbladet used to be a serious newspaper, but these days they're definitely a tabloid in every sense of the world, although not yet as far down the morass as the U.S. ones.

Re:Tabloid? (-1, Troll)

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Re:Tabloid? (4, Informative)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259520)

The major tabloids in the Nordic countries are to the "serious newspapers" what the New York Post is to the New York Times: less detailed articles, more "infotainment", a tendency to pounce on any small news item about crime or the private lives of politicians and declare it the collapse of society.

Re:Tabloid? (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260152)

Actually, "tabloid" in the United States generally refers to papers like the NY Post and the NY Daily News, so pretty much the same meaning over here.

Re:Tabloid? (3, Informative)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260206)

Native speaker of US English here. I've only heard "tabloid" used to refer to things like the National Enquirer and Weekly World News, i.e. publications that don't even pretend to be thoughtful journalism.

Re:Tabloid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33260620)

Yeah...those are secondary papers. Tabloids in the US are those gossip magazines printed on shitty newspaper with the aliens on the front covers.

Re:Tabloid? (4, Informative)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259542)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftonbladet [wikipedia.org]

Tabloid has different connotations in Europe. Tabloid is more of a printing size than a rating of journalistic value. It looks like the publication he'll be writing for is on par with the New York Post or one of the many English tabloids like The Sun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid [wikipedia.org]

Re:Tabloid? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33259594)

The newspaper has some serious journalism, but also entertainment non-news of various B or C-rate celebrities and such. Their specialty in all cases seems to be how to phrase the headlines as misleadingly as possible (and pause videos in the most compromising and misleading frames possible for use as pictures) to attract people to read the articles which are usually much less interesting than the headlines would have one think. They also enjoy making up new double words (like 'nude shock', 'sex attack' or 'death cheese'.) All in all, their reputation is probably not as good as Dagens Nyheter or Svenska Dagbladet, but it could

Re:Tabloid? (0, Offtopic)

mdemonic (988470) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259816)

I usually dont bother complaining about modding.... but why is down this modded down? I personally don't know about aftonbladet, but his description fits the two biggest norwegian newspapers, VG and Dagbladet, like a glow. Each time I read one of the dramatic double words I die a little bit inside.

Re:Tabloid? (0, Offtopic)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259960)

it's not down-modded. ACs post at 0 by default. It just hasn't been up-modded.

Re:Tabloid? (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259880)

I wondered that too ... and afraid of it.

Get this, someone in Area 51 leaks alien photographs and Julian publishes them. Now what? And what if, just what if, the alien is having Tom Cruise's baby.

We'll never believe it because now Julian is working for a Swedish National Enquirer and Tom gets his alien baby.

Swedish Law (5, Informative)

cappp (1822388) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259512)

I'm not a Swedish law expert, and if someone has a better grasp they should correct me, but it would seem that there's a clear legal advantage to being a journalist. The Freedom of the Press Act [riksdagen.se] includes the following in Chapter 1, Article 1 [riksdagen.se] :

All persons shall likewise be free, unless otherwise provided in this Act, to communicate information and intelligence on any subject whatsoever, for the purpose of publication in print, to an author or other person who may be deemed to be the originator of material contained in such printed matter, the editor or special editorial office, if any, of the printed matter, or an enterprise which professionally purveys news or other information to periodical publications.
All persons shall furthermore have the right, unless otherwise provided in this Act, to procure information and intelligence on any subject whatsoever, for the purpose of publication in print, or in order to communicate information under the preceding paragraph.

What I found more interesting was the stuff buried down in Chapter 7 where it's noted that

Art. 4. With due regard to the purpose of freedom of the press for all under Chapter 1, the following acts shall be deemed to be offences against the freedom of the press if committed by means of printed matter and if they are punishable under law:

4. unauthorised trafficking in secret information, whereby a person, with-out due authority but with no intent to assist a foreign power, conveys, consigns or discloses information concerning any circumstance of a secret nature, the disclosure of which to a foreign power could cause detriment to the defence of the Realm or the national supply of goods in the event of war or exceptional conditions resulting from war, or otherwise to the security of the Realm, regardless of whether the information is correct; any attempt or preparation aimed at such unauthorised trafficking in secret information;

That would seem to suggest that if Swedish defence is undermined by WikiLeaks then there are grounds for prosecution. As far as I know Sweden doesn't have forces in Iraq but they do have people in Afghanistan.

Re:Swedish Law (4, Insightful)

copponex (13876) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259576)

You'd have to make an argument that the Afghan state presents a clear and present danger to Sweden. Just imagine - a mostly tribal society, who scarcely make $500 per year per person, massing a military force and successfully overpowering the Swedish defense forces. After marching through either through Russia, or attacking via air corridors through Europe, or getting permission from Iran or Pakistan to build a naval base, and then building a navy to be stationed there.

The only people credulous enough for that argument are American voters.

Re:Swedish Law (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33259632)

They were definitely taken in, but there's no need to oversell it. American voters believed that a tribal society being funded by a billionaire might be able to launch a nuclear weapon. That's not quite the same thing.

Re:Swedish Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33259658)

Actually, nowadays most average sized motorcycle clubs would probaby overtake the "Swedish defense forces" in a matter of hours. :p

Re:Swedish Law (2, Informative)

aliquis (678370) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260138)

That's complete bullshit.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/ [globalfirepower.com]
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=Sweden [globalfirepower.com]

Defense Budget: $7,000,000,000 [2008]

Fit for Military Service: 3,336,983 [2008]
Active Military Personnel: 34,000 [2008]
Active Military Reserve: 262,000 [2008]
Active Paramilitary Units: 38,650 [2008]

Total Land-Based Weapons: 540
Total Aircraft: 744 [2003]
Helicopters: 150 [2003]
Total Navy Ships: 77

Good luck with that.

Sure we've lowered military budget and defenses since the end of the Soviet union but it would still be a bitch for them to actually take over anything.

The current government also added 20,000 more police men/women.

I would agree upon that we should use the police and/or military to end all military organizations asap instead of only accusing individuals and let the organizations roam on. But if we did it's not like they would have plenty to push back with.

Re:Swedish Law (3, Interesting)

cappp (1822388) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259714)

I have no idea about the standard for danger under Swedish law but that section is written really broadly. All you have to show is "detriment to the defence of the Realm or the national supply of goods...or otherwise to the security of the Realm." Hopefully a Swedish legal expert can jump in there but depending on how high a bar the courts set, it would appear that it wouldn't be all that difficult really.

Re:Swedish Law (1)

qbzzt (11136) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259870)

The only people credulous enough for that argument are American voters.

I wonder why people in the US are so credulous as to believe they can be attacked by what appears to be civilians, rather than a regular military force. Maybe because last time the rate was approximately 150 casualties on our side, to each one of theirs?

Re:Swedish Law (5, Insightful)

copponex (13876) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259998)

Yeah. All of those middle class Saudi Arabians committed a horrific crime. I'm really glad we forced the Saudi government to help us bring the remaining criminals to justice, and root out and prosecute all of their enablers. Oh wait: we didn't punish Saudi Arabia at all, or even get them to sign an extradition treaty. And where did all of the money come from?

Financing of the Plot [9-11commission.gov]
To plan and conduct their attack, the 9/11 plotters spent somewhere between $400,000 and $500,000, the vast majority of which was provided by al Qaeda. Although the origin of the funds remains unknown, extensive investigation has revealed quite a bit about the financial transactions that supported the 9/11 plot. The hijackers and their financial facilitators used the anonymity provided by the huge international and domestic financial system to move and store their money through a series of unremarkable transactions. The existing mechanisms to prevent abuse of the financial system did not fail. They were never designed to detect or disrupt transactions of the type that financed 9/11

Oh man. We totally nailed that one. It's a good thing Al Qaeda are so dumb, or they'd keep finding friendly states with zero infrastructure, and using them to launch attacks so we get stuck in intractable war after intractable war, eventually bleeding our treasury dry.

We'd never be dumb enough to fall for it, though. Right?

Re:Swedish Law (2, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259896)

Ahh, but you're using the actual definition of defence. I would be unsurprised if endangering troops in Afghanistan was considered a detriment to the defence of the realm, in that, if the soldiers were killed in Afghanistan the "defence force" as a whole would be weakened.

Ummm actually (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260200)

You seem to have a bit of a selective memory, regarding the incidents after 9/11. When the US went to war with Afghanistan, it has the support of the international community. It was Iraq that various countries protested and/or questioned.

Now that doesn't mean it was a good idea, but this arrogant attitude that only the American voters would believe that Afghanistan was a legit target with regards to 9/11 is revisionist history.

Re:Swedish Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33260280)

Yea, totally crazy that some bunch of tribalists could gather the funds and training necessary to hijack airplanes and fly them into Swedish buildings and kill anybody.

This Guy (-1, Flamebait)

jmccay (70985) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259574)

This guy, and his source(s), are despicable! He released information that has put the lives of innocent people--people who wanted to improve their country by providing information-- in danger. I am sure the informants thought they were providing the information anonymously. Now, thanks to the acts of a "journalist" (I use that term in the very loosest sense), these informants are in danger. If these guys were reporting behind the lines in Germany, they would be the type of "journalist" who would publish the names of the Ally informants in Nazi German newspapers. No matter what your stance on the war in Afghanistan, everyone with intelligence should be mad at these people! They have no common sense at best! I think it is wrong for the Swiss to protect him. I hope they give him over to the United States.

Re:This Guy (-1, Troll)

Glock27 (446276) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259596)

+1 to everything you said, including your sig. :-)

Re:This Guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33259942)

Looks like someone didn't like the OP, didn't like your response, and decided to spend two of their mod points making that known. Too bad they could not bring themselves to forgo moderating in this thread and actually find the balls to post a response instead of taking the chickenshit way out.

Re:This Guy (3, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259618)

Assange didn't release the information. His source did, and could have posted it raw on the internet.

Re:This Guy (4, Insightful)

siddesu (698447) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259672)

You sound angry, but your anger is directed at the wrong people.

Instead of asking for the extradition of Assange, you should be asking for the court martial for the officers (high and low) who are in charge of IT security of the US army.

You should be asking for hefty refunds from the companies (undoubtedly laced with a lot of former brass) that were paid money to supply the hardware and software for the said information processing. Maybe they should cover part of the costs for helping your informants.

Those "heroes" are the people who are responsible for the data leakage and for the danger to everyone who is assisting them in Afghanistan.

Re:This Guy (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260056)

Why don't we be angry at "our" government for forcing us into this war despite popular opinion and history against it (want to know why Saddam and radical Islam control the middle east? Look back to the 80s when we were actively funding them).

Re:This Guy (1)

sycodon (149926) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260178)

When we got into Afghanistan, everyone was for it. Well, maybe not code-pinkos, but the vast majority of Americas supported it.

Re:This Guy (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260284)

...Only because we were lied to and were impulsive. If people thought we would still be actively fighting a war in Afghanistan in 2010, I can guarantee you that it wouldn't have much support. If people actually remembered their history and realized that we keep funding the people who we fight a generation later, and this was widely proclaimed through the media, there wouldn't be much support. But alas, the American people was essentially told that the fighting would be over in a few weeks and the mainstream media was too sensationalized to actually look at history so "we" got stuck with the war.

Re:This Guy (1)

sycodon (149926) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260392)

If only we could tell the future we could make such better decisions. Is that what you are saying?

Re:This Guy (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260590)

No, I'm saying that there are 3 situations, none of them are good things.

A) "Our" leaders deliberately lied to the American people to get support for the war

B) "Our" leaders are too incompetent to actually win a war that needed to be fought

or C) "Our" leaders lied to the people, then are too incompetent to actually win the war they wanted to get us into.

Which one is it? "Our" leaders either lied to the American people are incompetent, which ever one it was, they shouldn't be leading the country.

Re:This Guy (1)

5pp000 (873881) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260246)

No, the leaker, Bradley Manning, was an insider. I don't think you can put it all on the IT security people, although some review and revision of procedures may be in order.

The GP's concern is valid if there's any truth to the suggestion that informants' lives have been endangered. The Pentagon certainly wants us all to think so, but I have heard some interesting counterpoints, for example, that the identities of the informants are actually fairly well-known already. Could be true, and I certainly don't trust the Pentagon.

Despite that, I don't agree that the GP should wind up as -1, Flamebait. As somebody's sig always says, there is no "-1, Disagree" moderation on Slashdot.

Re:This Guy (2, Insightful)

siddesu (698447) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260596)

Come on, if you are a minor clerk in a local office of a large international bank, there's no way in hell you'll end up with all the sales and PR communications of the bank over a 5 or 6 year period. NO WAY AT ALL.

So, how is it possible that a lowly bolt (or nut) in the mighty US army machine did just that? Only one way - criminal negligence on the part of his superiors, and those who work for them.

I am sure that the of the people who are responsible for this are the same people who are leveraging all their Pentagon power to shift the blame from the sick sheep to the healthy one.

They, and not Assagne are at fault and should be blamed for eventual harm done, because keeping those data safe is squarely THEIR responsibility, not Wikileaks'. Wikileaks' responsibility, whatever their agenda is, is leaking data.

Too bad the lot of you people who pay for those jerks are ready to bend over and swallow whatever BS they dump your way, when, instead, you should be thinking something along the lines of "OMG HOW MANY LOWLY SOLDIERS HAVE GOTTEN RICH BY SELLING THIS SHIT TO PEOPLE WHO DONT LEAK IT"

Alas, patriotism kills reason.

Re:This Guy (5, Funny)

Kev Vance (833) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259680)

You can't *start* a thread by Godwinning it! That's what Hitler would have done!

Re:This Guy (4, Insightful)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259906)

We could dub this tactic Blitzkrieging a thread. =)

Re:This Guy (1, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259778)

I am sure the informants thought they were providing the information anonymously.

The information the informants provided us also led to lost innocent lives. Are they despicable traitors with no common sense too?

Funny how Assange is a despicable traitor "journalist" who gets compared with a Nazi.

But you probably view the informants themselves as heroes yet they are no different. Think about that for a second. Informant: by definition they are people embedded within within a group, informing that groups ENEMY information about the group.

Suppose it were an american telling the taliban information -- he would be an 'informant' too. If a person leaked documents with his name... what exactly would you say about THAT?

Remember that the information our informants provide us runs do lead to innocent people getting killed too. They give us names and addresses and the locations people will be... and we drop a bomb... and maybe we hit the guy we're looking for. Maybe we kill some innocent children near by too... or maybe the information was bad and we bombed a factory making bed sheets killing a bunch of innocent people.

Re:This Guy (-1, Troll)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259890)

The information the informants provided us also led to lost innocent lives. Are they despicable traitors with no common sense too?

What's it like, having no moral compass whatsoever? Do you actually comprehend what sort of people the Taliban are, and what they do to people who, for example, teach their daughters to read? An informant that's acting to undermine that brutal, medieval-minded, cruel theocracy and thugfest may indeed provide information that ends up getting some innocent person killed. But they're doing it to stop a movement that actively seeks to kill innocent people, and makes a public spectacle of doing so, on purpose, in the town square.

A faux journalist who loves media attention and fawning, politically-motivated fans is deliberately exposing information that is setting back the efforts to prevent the Taliban from once again running Afghanistan in their perverse model of Islamist insanity. I'm always amazed by people - especially those on the left who swear that women's rights are important to them - who think it's mean to "interfere" with a culture that's being subjected to the Taliban meat grinder.

Re:This Guy (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259976)

Democracy can only work if people have access to -all- the information available to make an informed decision. Tainted information be it from media bias or government secrecy undermines it. How do you know what the Taliban does? We are fed propaganda every day. No, I'm not saying that the Taliban are nice people, that we should support them (though we did) or that the conventional view is wrong, but think about where you get your information from and you will find that you really could have been fed pure lies. Without information, how do you make that decision?

It is important to end imperialistic wars because it -always- bites us in the ass later on. These ever so evil Taliban fighters? Oh wait we supported them against the "evil" USSR. Saddam Hussein? Oh wait we helped him too...

If you think the US supports human rights you are sadly mistaken, imperialistic wars like the wars in the middle east and Vietnam have -always- ended up in a net loss for human rights and a net loss for the world.

Re:This Guy (0, Troll)

sycodon (149926) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260214)

Good thing we are not a Democracy then eh? You and your friends deciding which skate park to go to is a democracy,

Re:This Guy (2, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260250)

We have a republican form of government that in essence boils down to a democracy. Ask people why they voted a certain way and the vast majority of people voted because of a few "key" issues, issues like abortion, global warming, stem cell research, wars, taxes, etc. So yes, we do have a democracy when it comes to wars, think of how many people voted for Bush the second term rather than any other candidate simply because they supported the war or some other single issue.

The vast majority of races for congress, governor, president, etc. have come down to basic democracy on a few issues.

Re:This Guy (0)

sycodon (149926) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260342)

We have a republican form of government that in essence boils down to a democracy

I have a blue car, which in essence boils down to a red car.

That's how much your statement makes.

Re:This Guy (1)

sycodon (149926) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260356)

"sense".

Re:This Guy (3, Insightful)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260484)

Democracy can only work if people have access to -all- the information available to make an informed decision.

Really? All or nothing, huh? Then how do you work out the need for secrecy and intelligence which, in turn, has proven to be a major part of any nation's security

I can agree that we need good information. We need to be wary of propoganda. We need proof to back up claims. And we need oversight of all aspects of government. But that is hardly access to all information available.

It is important to end imperialistic wars because it -always- bites us in the ass later on. These ever so evil Taliban fighters? Oh wait we supported them against the "evil" USSR. Saddam Hussein? Oh wait we helped him too...

If you think the US supports human rights you are sadly mistaken, imperialistic wars like the wars in the middle east and Vietnam have -always- ended up in a net loss for human rights and a net loss for the world.

Ahhh. You're one of these people who believe that the US operates in a vacuum; that there are no other players on the world stage. You believe that the US elects to get involved just out of a mean spirit. And if the US would only bury it's head, nothing bad would ever happen in the world. Just like in the 1930s.

Re:This Guy (4, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260348)

Do you actually comprehend what sort of people the Taliban are, and what they do to people who, for example, teach their daughters to read?

They are certainly no worse than serial killers in America. When was the last time police justified killing innocent American's in order to reach a serial killer by saying "Do you actually comprehend what sort of person he is. What he does to people? Sure I got a bunch of innocent children killed... but you don't understand... he was really bad."

You've never heard the police say that because it goes against everything we stand for. It ridiculous on its face. Yet if those innocent people aren't American's its somehow different? Who's moral compass is broken?

Oh wait... we're at "war" with them, right. And that makes it right how?

Are we at war with them because they are bad people who treat there daughters poorly and violate what we feel are their essential human rights? Of course not, we were even happy to SUPPORT them and PROVIDE THEM WEAPONS AND MONEY when they were serving our political interests... they weren't "nicer" back then, and they haven't really changed at all.

There is plenty of brutality in the world... Darfur springs to mind. Are we doing much about the genocide there? Hmm... nope. Genocide is bad too, right? I'd say it's even worse than medieval thinking about the education of women and outdated policies on beard length. Only a complete idiot would seriously argue that we are in afghanistan because the taliban are 'bad people'. The world is full of bad people. Yet we are in afghanistan while we write 'stern letters' to groups who are much worse.

If we were in Afghanistan to make it a better place, you might have leg to stand on. But we're not, and we're not going to make the world safer as a whole by invading other countries. Even if you WIN more innocent people have died due to the invasion than you would ever have saved by invading.

So far 15,000 to 30,000 *innocent civilians* have died in Afghanistan as a result of the war we are waging in Afghanistan. According to multiple sources we are actually killing more civilians than the Taliban are.

Good thing we are there making things better. Although I'm not sure exactly how killing innocent people more effectively than the 'bad people' makes us the 'good people'. Maybe we should stop.

Re:This Guy (-1, Troll)

Americano (920576) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260592)

They are certainly no worse than serial killers in America. When was the last time police justified killing innocent American's in order to reach a serial killer by saying "Do you actually comprehend what sort of person he is. What he does to people? Sure I got a bunch of innocent children killed... but you don't understand... he was really bad."

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Re:This Guy (2, Informative)

hnangelo (1098127) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259832)

And it's SWEDEN, not Switzerland.

Re:This Guy (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260198)

Sign up now and help protect the ocean reefs of Austria!

Tor Worm (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33259662)

To support the Iranian people in 2008, I ran a Toir relay. I eventually ran one to help with WikiLeaks. I used my neighbors Internet connection over WiFi (which I helped pay for). - he didn't care. But, ICE ended up raiding his house looking for kiddy porn. Of course, they didn't find any and I have since learned that this is a hazard with running these relays. Though, the warrant mysteriously disappeared and there is no record of the raid, so this makes me think that the FBI/ICE is raiding Tor Relay operators under the guise of anti-child porn, imaging their drives and then dropping the case.

So, how do you fight back against something like this? I have created an autoinstalling version of Tor that is automatically set to operate in Relay mode (/w uPNP enabled). I just place this autoinstaller in a dozen locations on the web and change the payload url of an existing worm out with this. Imagine how overwhelmed the thugs in ICE would be if 10,000 Tor Relays popped up overnight.

Re:Tor Worm (5, Insightful)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259864)

Link or it didn't happen.

Re:Tor Worm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33259868)

That is why they want to give the President the right to shut down the Internet.

Re:Tor Worm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33259924)

Do it.

Re:Tor Worm (3, Insightful)

Americano (920576) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260632)

Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids places looking for child pornography now? I would've thought that'd be a matter for the FBI, since they have primary jurisdiction over child pornography investigations & enforcement.

Sorry, but this story sounds pretty sketchy.

Proper translation into Swedish- (3, Funny)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259760)

"Essunge-a elreedy vurks veet zee Noo Yurk Teemes, zee Gooerdeeun, und Der Speeegel. Boot he's nut yet vurked es a culoomneest fur uny poobleeceshun. Sterteeng noo thet veell chunge-a. Essunge-a met Efftunbledet's ideetur in cheeeff Jun Heleen yesterdey. Bork bork bork! 'It's nu cueencidence-a thet I'm gueeng tu be-a vreeting fur a Svedeesh peper. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Zee Svedeesh poobleecist cooltoore-a und Svedeesh lev hefe-a sooppurted us frum zee begeenning', seeed Essunge-a."

(-chef, that is. What? You knew somebody had to do it!)

Re:Proper translation into Swedish- (1)

kosmonot (243766) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260636)

Assange is a creepy dude. And my sïster wås bïtten by a møøse once.

Sold Out (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33259772)

Julian Assange put people at risk. Now he just wants to cash in.

Wanker.

Re:Sold Out (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259928)

Bullshit. The only person he put at risk are the warmongers running this country. If I invest in a company I have a right to know the financial details of the company, but yet when I'm forced to "invest" in a war suddenly they can obscure all the details?

A democracy becomes nothing more than a mob if information is not released, if the government wouldn't release it, I applaud Julian Assange for having the balls to post it so the world can make a rational decision on whether it is worth it to continue the war.

Re:Sold Out (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33259964)

Julian Assange is just like any other troll. He's an attention seeking wanker that attracts shit and he only gives a fuck for himself. The quicker someone plonks him in the killfile the sooner everyone else can get on with the hard WORK of making the world a better place.

Re:Sold Out (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260008)

Yes, because killing civilians and continuing imperialistic wars has really made the world a better place! Look back 30 years, how the hell do you think the Taliban got into power? Oh wait, back then Russia was the "bad guy" and fundamentalist Islam was the "good guy" so we ended up supplying them with guns, bombs, etc. How do you think Hussein got into power? Oh wait we helped him get into power... How do you think that all these dictators running most of South America got into power?

The sooner we end the wars the better it is for the US and the rest of the world.

Re:Sold Out (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33260156)

Just because you're getting moderation points doesn't mean you're right. Julian Assange is no more than a troll and all your ranting is doing is just giving him more power. Neither he nor you will solve anything. In fact, you're probably driving people who can make a difference and people who do need help further away.

But carry on. Keep obsessing and feeding the vain egotistical schmuck. Keep giving him the power to dictate and jerk you around like a dog on a leash. Put him on a pedestal as an authority and praise his name like he's some new messiah. When you find out you've been wasting your time and people get hurt you might learn.

You can't change the world. You can only change yourself, and from some of the comments and bandwagoning in here none of you can even manage that. You have the certainty of ignorance and the caring of vanity. All of this is just heaping more ego on top of ego. When you see that you have the beginning of understanding. Until then it's just going to be same shit, different day.

Re:Sold Out (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260216)

But carry on. Keep obsessing and feeding the vain egotistical schmuck. Keep giving him the power to dictate and jerk you around like a dog on a leash. Put him on a pedestal as an authority and praise his name like he's some new messiah. When you find out you've been wasting your time and people get hurt you might learn.

Yes, because we all know that imperialistic wars historically have always been great, right? Oh wait... they haven't. Explain to me how by using facts and reason I'm being led like a dog on the leash.

FACT The US helped arm and fund Islamic radicals in the 80s.

FACT The US is wasting tons upon tons of money in these imperialistic wars

FACT The US has killed many civilians in this imperialistic war

Explain to me how using facts and reason is making me be a sheep? Lets see here the argument in favour of the war and the "troops" goes as follows:

We were attacked by Islamic terrorists on 9/11 THEREFORE we must invade 2 countries, kill lots of civilians, cause mass chaos and waste money and if you don't support this you are "Un-American" because terrorists are bad.

Now granted, 30 years ago the argument was:

The Communists have an atomic bomb!!! THEREFORE we must invade countless countries, support various Islamic organizations and right wing dictators and waste money if you don't support this you are "Un-American" because COMMUNISM IS EVIL JUST PURE EVIL

These documents only echo history, imperialistic wars waste taxpayer money, kill innocents, support murders and decline standards of living.

Re:Sold Out (1, Funny)

Liquidrage (640463) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260358)

And what does him being a charlatan with a video and posting the names of informants have to do with whether a war was just or not? Was WWII just? Was Dresden OK? Is there anything close that Dresden in Afghanistan or Iraq?

Did you know Communism was evil? I'm an atheist, I don't have the same "right" or "wrong" moral view you might think I have. But under any definition the Soviet's were fucking evil. Stalin = GWB? You're fucking insane if you go that route. The Taliban did blow up the Towers. The US should have gone in there. Iraq is more muddled, but at the same time Saddam never should have been allowed to stay in power. You know, France loved financing his regime, but whatever. Imperialism is bad. Tell that to the Moors when they tried to conquer Europe. If the world was all hippy's I'd love to stop military spending. But you know, until that happens I'd rather the US be the power then say Iran. I know I know. 6 of 1 half a dozen of another. Just two sides the same coin. Be glad there are people that make sure you have internet access if though you shit on them.

In closing, make the world a better place. Just don't be so fucking naive you write crap you just did without context.

Re:Sold Out (3, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260566)

WWII wasn't just because the entire European front (and a lot of the pacific front) could have been avoided if we hadn't been imperialistic to begin with. If we hadn't screwed up the Treaty of Versailles, Hitler wouldn't have come to power because of the fact that Germany's economy wouldn't have been in shambles and people wouldn't be looking to nationalism to solve their problems.

Did you know Communism was evil? I'm an atheist, I don't have the same "right" or "wrong" moral view you might think I have. But under any definition the Soviet's were fucking evil. Stalin = GWB? You're fucking insane if you go that route. The Taliban did blow up the Towers. The US should have gone in there. Iraq is more muddled, but at the same time Saddam never should have been allowed to stay in power. You know, France loved financing his regime, but whatever. Imperialism is bad. Tell that to the Moors when they tried to conquer Europe. If the world was all hippy's I'd love to stop military spending. But you know, until that happens I'd rather the US be the power then say Iran. I know I know. 6 of 1 half a dozen of another. Just two sides the same coin. Be glad there are people that make sure you have internet access if though you shit on them.

Yes, the Soviets did do evil things, so did the US, so did the UK, so did Germany, etc. All governments are corrupt by definition. If you look at the reasons why the Taliban had the resources to blow up the towers is because we funded it yes, our tax dollars went to support the very people who we are fighting.

Theres nothing wrong with defending a country from foreign attacks, but defend it, don't go out looking for a fight. When we go out looking for a fight, we end up paying for the bullets that they use to shoot at us with. I'm not a "hippie" I'm not a pacifist, I do however know history and history isn't on the side of those who wage imperialistic wars, especially the US. Get out of the middle east and the rest of the world, cut military and domestic spending by a lot, decrease taxes and watch the economy grow leaps and bounds.

Re:Sold Out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33260434)

I agree with the sentiment of your post and most of what you say is true; that said, it might be worth noting that none of the current South American dictators (or, more generally speaking, not-so-democratic regimes) were installed through US intervention or support, direct or otherwise. Quite the contrary: many of the current oppressive, not-so-democratic regimes in South and Central America have come to power in part by riding the wave of a strong anti-globalization, anti-capitalistic, anti-US sentiment. The only regime still in power in Latin America since the days the US used to install dictators in this part of the world is Cuba's, and that case was quite the opposite.

It did happen. It just hasn't happened in a while.

Re:Sold Out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33260458)

I played you suckers like a piano. Julian Assange is doing the same only you can't see it. Maybe you'll wise up and understand this someday instead of performing like trained seals.

That's Zen and the art of irony, BTW.

the perfect Swedish publication for Assange... (2, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259808)

The perfect Swedish publication for Assange would be Millennium! :)

Should ... (1)

AresTheImpaler (570208) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259900)

He should work for the Millennium magazine in Stockholm...

So why won't google translate translate the websit (4, Interesting)

Snaller (147050) | more than 4 years ago | (#33259950)

I think that's a more interesting question.

RE: Obama ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33260120)

President of the United States of America Mr. Barak Hussain Obama has orderd and will pay for the assination of Mr. Julian Assange.

Who will take the money?

Who will dillever the head?

Mr. Obama is fond of "Skull-Fucking".

I'm not worried (2, Informative)

blhack (921171) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260222)

Keep in mind that Christopher Hitchens, who I think is absolutely brilliant, is a contributing editor for Vanity Fair, a pop culture magazine.

He's only fit for op-eds (-1, Flamebait)

Liquidrage (640463) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260314)

He releases with a bias. The "Collateral Murder" headline was sensationalistic. People, that you know, have been in similar situations, have broken it down pretty well and not been the ass about it that he has. No to mention he edited the video he received. He endangered the lives of soldiers and informants posting his "leaks". This guy is a bias assclown and is nothing but the voice of people that already "hate the man". Integrity? He seems to have none.

If this guy really wants to change things he should go under cover with the military and see just how strict they are with the UCMJ and Geneva Convention. The answer is "very". If you take any large group of people, someone will fuck up. It's why there are bad cops and firemen and teachers and politicians and soldiers. But I have no respect for this guy. He's a pure academic type that has no real life experience with, you know, life. What a Champion of the People.

I hate this guy (-1, Flamebait)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 4 years ago | (#33260318)

I personally can't wait for him to be arrested. He's too self important. If he can feel the way he does due to freedom , I have the freedom to think he's a clown. Talk about hubris

Anonymous Coward (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33260584)

Reading this, I am stricken by how many people refer the the US as a democracy. IT'S NOT A DEMOCRACY!!! Never has been, never will. Our founding fathers made sure of that.

It's a Constitutional Republic.

Now back to your local news.....

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