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Imgur.com: Why We Dumped GoDaddy

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the it's-not-me-it's-you dept.

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Velcroman1 writes "On the eve of what has been dubbed "Dump Go Daddy Day," imgur.com — the massive image hosting site responsible for an astonishing 28 terabytes of bandwidth and nearly 200 million page views per day — has already changed its registry entries, foreshadowing the potential negative effect of a boycott set to begin Thursday morning. GoDaddy.com originally supported the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) but quickly recanted its position when the call for a boycott circulated. 'The outcry kind of forced our hand,' imgur founder and owner Alan Schaaf said. 'I'm against the SOPA act and imgur as a company is against it. We just feel it is terrible that GoDaddy.com would support this legislation.'"

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FIRST COPY (violation) (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524104)

"On the eve of what has been dubbed "Dump Go Daddy Day," imgur.com — the massive image hosting sites is responsible for an astonishing 28 terabytes of bandwidth and nearly 200 million page views per day — has already changed its registry entries, foreshadowing the potential negative effect of a boycott set to begin Thursday morning. GoDaddy.com originally supported the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) but quickly recanted its position when the call of a boycott circulated. 'The outcry kind of forced our hand,' imgur founder and owner Alan Schaaf said. 'I'm against the SOPA act and imgur as a company is against it. We just feel it is terrible that GoDaddy.com would support this legislation.'"

Yea, well... (5, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524118)

GoDaddy.com originally supported the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) but quickly recanted its position when the call of a boycott circulated.

Nothing like money-at-stake to reveal whether someone has a spine.

Re:Yea, well... (5, Insightful)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524146)

Better spinelessly stop supporting evil than courageously continuing to support it, though. Boycott worked exactly as intended, that's great news.

Re:Yea, well... (-1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524200)

Boycot hasn't worked as intended, "Go Daddy Backstaber" still exists. For a boycott to work, to have real 'Bite' there has to be a penalty, a punishment and the asshat that runs "Go Daddy Backstaber" still hasn't felt it. At least everyone knows exactly what kind of company "Go Daddy Backstaber" truly is and can adjust accordingly.

Free market works (-1, Offtopic)

mangu (126918) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524302)

The market is working exactly as it should. No need to regulate GoDaddy away.

Re:Yea, well... (4, Insightful)

Spad (470073) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524384)

This is the problem with assigning anthropomorphic characteristics to companies; in the context of people, I would rather that someone have the strength of conviction to make and stick with the choice that they believe is right, rather than flip back and forth to fit the prevailing opinion (subject to the original decision having been made with all the facts).

With companies though, it's really not possible for them to ignore things like this because of the likely impact on their business, so while GoDaddy are just shamelessly pretending to drop support for SOPA to vainly try and appease The Internet, they don't really have a choice. Of course, they could have made the right choice in the first place, but they're dicks, so that wasn't going to happen.

Either way, their initial support for SOPA and helping to write it to get themselves immunity from its provisions mean that regardless of their recent actions, there's no way I'd ever give them my business now.

Re:Yea, well... (5, Insightful)

Decameron81 (628548) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524626)

...I would rather that someone have the strength of conviction to make and stick with the choice that they believe is right, rather than flip back and forth to fit the prevailing opinion...

In this particular case, I do agree that GoDaddy has no merit in their change of mind - because they are acting consistently bad with their customers, and don't really seem to have changed their mind at all.

But it seems to me as if in our society we preferred that people stick to their decisions, rather than change their mind if there's overwhelming evidence that they've been wrong. Does it make sense?

Recognizing mistakes and dealing properly with them is IMHO a very rare and positive trait, which should always be encouraged. Think of how much better things would be if this was more widely encouraged.

Re:Yea, well... (3, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524864)

People make mistakes (a company is a collection of people). For some odd reason our culture has become one that wants blood for every mistake. We hear about a security breach or data loss at Google or Amazon and we go "Well someone is going to get fired!" Why should someone get fired for making a mistake that anyone might have done. Was the person who pushed the button the did the work take all the blame, or should the whole organization be at blame because it was too easy to do that with a push of a button. I remembered early in my career I was cleaning out some temp files that emacs makes "ends with ~", I had a bunch of them so i did an rm -f * ~ vs an rm -f *~ So I ended up clearing out my project then continued onto my home directory. I felt bad I lost all my work, I didn't get fired my Boss asked about backup, I only had some a week ago. so had to work harder to get caught up, and in a few days I was back. But now I became very careful when using the rm -f command. People make mistakes and learn from them. If we need to punish people extra for mistakes people will not learn from them they will just be hostile to the organization that makes it easy to make mistakes and then severely punished for doing such.

GoDaddy wants a reputation as a reputable DNS register. They probably supported SOPA so their name will not be targets as a friend to people/organization who perform software piracy. Then people started protesting it and pointing out how the rules are too strict and can hurt the good guy, so they changed their position.

Software Piracy is a bad thing. If you believe that software should be free then go out and support GNU and other Free software projects. But pirating closed software and state you are morally right to do so, would also mean the people could violate the GPL and other Open Source Licenses using the same moral standards. However we are having a hard time coming up with a legal/technical solution to the problem with software Piracy that doesn't dramatically hurt the honest customers as well.

So if they Didn't Approve SOPA they could have been seen as a harbor for software pirates (That gives them a bad name, and making new customers worry about choosing them).
If they Approved SOPA they would would be branded to be against the small internet company who wants to make the next new thing (Pissing off their key customers)
If they took no position then they would be considered apathetic to the goings on in the internet world. (That would mean that if a regulation passed they may not be in compliance and thus go out of business, so customers will avoid them)
Or they swap position depending what they feel is public opinion (Then you get what happens now)

Re:Yea, well... (5, Insightful)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524392)

Boycott worked exactly as intended....

It's astounding how long a meme can keep going. Go Daddy has not changed it's view; it has not changed it's actions; it has just removed a couple of press releases about those actions and started to support SOPA behind the scenes. If Go Daddy had changed their viewpoint, and actually was opposed to SOPA now, then we should stop the boycott and concentrate on others who are worse. However, this is not a decision we need to make. Even as I post today Go Daddy's "general counsel and corporate secretary" has a blog posting up which clearly states her opinion in support of SOPA and is undersigned in her official role.

If Christine is acting against company policy then Go Daddy needs to be disciplining her now. Lets be clear; not because of what she believes, but because she has a representative role for the company, is directly opposing and contradicting company policy and is doing so using the name of Go Daddy to get publicity for that role. Also because she was involved in drafting SOPA and should take responsibility for the mess that it is which is a clear and visible failure to work in Go Daddy's customers interests.

If Go Daddy is still employing her without disciplinary action, and that blog posting is still up [rudysyndrome.com] then Go Daddy is effectively supporting SOPA and should continue to be boycotted.

Re:Yea, well... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524660)

Even as I post today Go Daddy's "general counsel and corporate secretary" has a blog posting up which clearly states her opinion in support of SOPA and is undersigned in her official role.

With obligatory:

And, I spend a great deal of my working (and non-working) hours each day working to keep the Internet a better and safer place, especially for children.

But they DIDN’T! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524326)

They *said* they changed their position.
They *didn't* *actually* change it. And they won’t change it.
There's a difference.

Re:But they DIDN’T! (5, Insightful)

Scutter (18425) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524602)

They *said* they changed their position.
They *didn't* *actually* change it. And they won’t change it.
There's a difference.

They didn't even SAY they changed it. They said "we'll go look at it again" or some such nonsense. Weasel words.

Re:Yea, well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524462)

Actually, looking at some of their responses it seems they still support it. They have just fallen back to saying publicly they wish to see the law take time and done "right".

So they have a slight spine.

Re:Yea, well... (1, Insightful)

RStonR (2471390) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524666)

SOPA is just the latest "Change" that we got from Obama.

Doesn't anybody find it strange that There are no protests against Obama's wars [in-other-news.com] ?

Must not criticize this Nobel Peace Price winner, it would make quite a lot of people feel very stupid when they first treat him as the next messiah ("Jesus was also a community organizer", remember?) and then critizise him.

Let me be the first to say (5, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524138)

Que seneveratis metes.

Or some such thing. My schools motto was that. What you sow, So shall you reap. One of those wonderful things that I recall as a kid I didn't think too much of. These days, can't be closer to home. GoDaddy, you fucked up. You got caught with your fingers in the cookie jar. All the advertisements on Australian TV won't help you enough. You have angered the internet. To you, we are anonymous. But we are not. We have domain names. We have money that you need. We have integrity. We have choices. You chose SOPA.

We choose someone else.

Re:Let me be the first to say (5, Insightful)

mgblst (80109) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524314)

You're so right. This one web address moving, imgur.com, is going to cost Godaddy millions, if not billions or karma. Or about $10.

This will change nothing, Godaddy have already started lying about changing it's stance, when it has not.

Re:Let me be the first to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524396)

one DNS entry... and a lot of publicity. I've had non-tech people mention this.

Re:Let me be the first to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524458)

yeah one web address? He has more than one domain and the publicity a big site like this gets in getting rid of godaddy will bring others to drop them as well

Re:Let me be the first to say (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524554)

Do you not understand how publicity works? As this dump GoDaddy meme gets more and more visibility, more and more people make the choice of participating. The number of domains imgur uses is totally irrelevant.

This is one of the few case where a boycott actually works:
  * monetary cost to protester is negligible
  * amount of work needed is very small (neet to renew anyway)
  * GoDaddy isn't that good anyway so moving usually has no negative side effects
At the moment GoDaddy really hopes this news coverage would go away. Every article shows on their bottom line.

Re:Let me be the first to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524846)

GoDaddy claimed the numbers that have moved from their domain to be about the same as any other time. Clearly a lie since we can see the results of those that publically announced their move, and the statements from GoDaddy.

I hope Godaddy goes completely out of business. I am doing my part by removing my domains and several people I do business with are also.

Are we still talking about GoDaddy? (3, Insightful)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524148)

Yes. And I don't mind having a reminder every other day.
This is not just about SOPA...

Not surprised (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524152)

That a company who profits from piracy would say that...

Scr*w Godaddy (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524168)

I had all my domains in Godaddy but I was fed up with trying to find the hidden option to manage my domains in pages and pages of advertisements.

It seemed to me that, if I paid for a service, I don't want to be bombarded by ads every time I need to use this service.

I moved to Namecheap and never looked back.

Re:Scr*w Godaddy (2)

Tvingo (229109) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524664)

I had all my domains in Godaddy but I was fed up with trying to find the hidden option to manage my domains in pages and pages of advertisements.

It seemed to me that, if I paid for a service, I don't want to be bombarded by ads every time I need to use this service.

I moved to Namecheap and never looked back.

Completely agree. The webpage is a absolute mess at GoDaddy. You would think that a company that is 'selling' the internet and setting up webpages would set a good example. I moved all my domains to Namecheap yesterday as well. Figured if I waited till today they may be too swamped ;) Hopefully Godaddy takes it in the purse for supporting this attack on our freedom.

Re:Scr*w Godaddy (2)

na1led (1030470) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524742)

I was thinking of hosting a website with Go Daddy, I decided to go with IXWebHosting instead. I wonder how much business they are losing? It's not like they get lots of ignorant people who know nothing about whats going on.

Re:Scr*w Godaddy (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524878)

Same here. I only have one measly domain and next to zero traffic but I moved it from GoDaddy to namecheap several months ago.

GoDaddy keeps thinking advertisements with possibly hot women will cause their audience (nerds) to look past how badly they suck.

Left GoDaddy Years Ago (4, Interesting)

handsup (148536) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524180)

This is not the first time GoDaddy is exposed. I remember transferring my domains from them years ago due to some other Bad Thing they did.

It surprises me that they still are used by many high-profile sites who are now only transferring.

Re:Left GoDaddy Years Ago (5, Funny)

Elbereth (58257) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524280)

It's human nature. If someone screws over a customer, a few outraged people will leave, but many others will stay, because the company never did anything to them. A couple on the sidelines will be wondering, "What the fuck is wrong with you? Right from the start, I could tell that company was slimy." And someone, somewhere will say, "It was his/her own fault for getting screwed. The company was perfectly justified in doing what it did. They're not a charity."

As a smug asshole who loves to be right, this whole drama has been very fun. Not that I need the validation of the entire fucking internet coming around to my opinion or anything, but it's still nifty.

Re:Left GoDaddy Years Ago (5, Interesting)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524368)

> It surprises me that they still are used by many high-profile sites who are now only transferring.

The Wikimedia one was like:

"WIKIPEDIA! WHY YOU USE GODADDY?!?!!"
"... We do?"

It's plumbing. No-one thinks about it. Until it turns out their plumber is HITLER. [citation needed]

Re:Left GoDaddy Years Ago (1)

Lincolnshire Poacher (1205798) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524760)

> It's plumbing. No-one thinks about it.

No, choosing a domain registrar is probably the most important decision an Internet-based company has to make in the early days after establishing a name and a business plan.

There is too much "intellectual property" tied-up in a domain name nowadays to trust the like of GoDaddy, or indeed any registrar which doesn't state that the domain is your property

Who dumped whom? (0)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524196)

Am I the only person who's never heard of either of them?

Re:Who dumped whom? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524210)

Quite possibly, yes

Re:Who dumped whom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524348)

Quite possibly, yes

Actually, he's not.

Re:Who dumped whom? (4, Informative)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524262)

Imgur was created for [reddit.com] , and thus heavily used by a little site called Reddit. Godaddy is the McDonalds of domain registration.

Re:Who dumped whom? (5, Funny)

mdm42 (244204) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524342)

MacWho?

Re:Who dumped whom? (0, Offtopic)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524400)

"Godaddy is the McDonalds of domain registration."

No they are not. Their fries suck.

At least McDonalds fries are a lot better than everyone elses.

Re:Who dumped whom? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524556)

I don't know where you live, but where I live McDonald's fries are the worst. Over-salted and limp. Burger King fries are where it's at, and Wendy's spicy nuggets.

Re:Who dumped whom? (1, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524646)

OH god, BK fries SUCK. they don't use animal fat oil... YUCK with that veggie oil crap. BK had good fries back in the 80's. Fries are only good if they are cooked in animals that have been rendered down into a nice cooking fat.

Props to the Wendies spicy nuggets. Gotta love mystery processed chicken by product nuggets. I can eat those by the fist full.

Re:Who dumped whom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524738)

Actually, I much prefer the new Wendy's fries over everything else I can get around here. If you haven't had them lately, I would check them out, they're completely different than they used to be.

Re:Who dumped whom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524788)

Wendy's spicy nuggets

ewwwww

Re:Who dumped whom? (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524270)

Am I the only person who's never heard of either of them?

GoDaddy would sure as hell hope so, after spending millions in SuperBowl ads.

Re:Who dumped whom? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524334)

What's SuperBowl, is it an American thing?

Given that I live in the UK... (2)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524336)

...its pretty unlikely I'd have seen them.

Re:Given that I live in the UK... (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524498)

...its pretty unlikely I'd have seen them.

Guess you've got a solid point there, since I didn't know what the hell a "pitch" was for quite a few years...never really heard that term on the soccer field. Heh.

Re:Given that I live in the UK... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524504)

They advertise in the UK too

Re:Given that I live in the UK... (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524552)

Apparently not very well in that case given that I work in IT.

Re:Given that I live in the UK... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524558)

I think that says more about you then them since you "work in IT" but haven't heard of Imgur or GoDaddy.

Re:Given that I live in the UK... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524612)

I work in IT (and have done so for 20 years) but until today I never heard of imgur either. Most be an American thing or something.

godaddy is another matter.
If someone dares to use that sort of foul language around the office here he (or she) gets sentenced with at least 1 week of 1st-line helpdesk duty.

Re:Given that I live in the UK... (2)

InterestingFella (2537066) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524730)

GoDaddy should be known by everyone, but Imgur is quite obscure. It's just one of those image hosting sites, there's hundreds of them. I only remember it now because I browse TF2 pics on Reddit and couple of days ago noticed it's quite well integrated into Reddit. I've probably used Imgur before too, but image hosting sites aren't exactly brands you easily remember.

Conspiracy? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524246)

What if this was all a conspiracy? What if GoDaddy is sacrificing themselves to drum up more negative press for SOPA?

Wikipedia also left GoDaddy (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524248)

Re:Wikipedia also left GoDaddy (2)

jampola (1994582) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524484)

This, is news. This is REAL news and THIS is what should be on the front page of /.

Anonymous Coward, thank you for what I think is the most informative link i've seen all day!

Perspective (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524256)

Kinda puts the whole Ocean Marketing fiasco into perspective!

Godaddy alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524268)

I know it's probably already asked elsewhere. I still have few domains with Godaddy. Any recommendation for alternatives?
Something cheap but reliable with good DNS management? EU based a plus. So far, my choice has been gandi.net.

Re:Godaddy alternatives? (1)

webnut77 (1326189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524362)

SimpleURL [simpleurl.com] has served me well. $12.50 per domain and has good domain management including DNS.

Mor organised boycotts (5, Interesting)

Kplx138 (2523712) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524294)

Hopefully there will be a boycott and more boycotts if it fails to get the message across. Not something that should be given up on because it becomes all to hard and doesn't work the first time, after all how much do you value your freedom? Hell work to vote out every idiot that voted for it. Capitalism is supposed to be democratic, they tell you if people don't buy a product a company should understand that there's a problem with their product and rectify the problem or risk going out of business. Boycotts get that message across, worked well for south africa,

I swear schools should teach kids how to organise boycotts right along side the importance of voting. Generations of kids coming up willing to drop massive boycotts on companies for even looking like doing something evil. When someone says that the market will work it out naturally they mean it'll correct itself eventually and I'll a load of cash in the meantime... oh I'm slightly off topic now.

Re:Mor organised boycotts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524514)

You forget that schools are in place, at least public ones, to maintain the status quo, not to improve the students. Teaching boycotts would teach them they have a voice that they can exercise to change things. Schools teach kids they can only be heard in politics by voting, thus maintaining the status quo because all the votes are really bought by corporations.

Re:Mor organised boycotts (2)

digitalsolo (1175321) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524888)

In fairness, most kids have parents, that also hold a teensy bit of responsibility in raising said children.

I know that my son will be brought up to understand the "why and how" of things, instead of simply memorizing dates.

THIS is why free markets work (2, Interesting)

Catiline (186878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524340)

For the next year (or so), this will be my counter-example when I debate politics with people who argue that a centrally regulated economy is better than the free market -- as in, "I will happily agree with you, if first you explain this one annoying fact please."

* Constituents and businesses pleaded with Congress [the regulatory body of US "central economic planning"] not to pass SOPA. Congress did anyway.
* People threaten to boycott GoDaddy (direct financial loss) due to supporting SOPA and they reverse course immediately.

I feel the answer is clear, obvious, and simple: businesses are more responsive to their "constituents" then politicians are. Therefore, we should discard [most of] the business regulations -- by which I mean things like minimum wage or union laws, not universal "regulatory" laws like EPA pollution controls -- and go back to a free market.

(Oh, and before people asks: EPA regulations are "universal" because private individuals can violate them just like big business does, for example by developing protected land, or burning waste material. Wage and hiring laws are not "universal" because private individuals cannot be in violation of those laws, only businesses.)

Re:THIS is why free markets work (3, Interesting)

Kplx138 (2523712) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524430)

GoDaddy would have to cease to exist for me to believe the free market works, don't get me work I believe that free markets are a good thing but they need some amount of government regulation to balance out greedy dishonest a-holes.

A lot of people say if we had a "true" free market with out any goverment regulations or interference it would all work out in the end. Much like communists will tell you that most communist states failed because they weren't "true" communism. It's all the speak of a true believer.

Free Market Capitalism and Communism are really get theories but turn to crap when you add people to the equation, just like a computer program will work 100% perfectly until someone uses it then it'll just crash.

Re:THIS is why free markets work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524452)

I'm all for free markets, but does this really prove *anything*? GoDaddy still is responsible for crafting part of SOPA. Not just supporting it, but *CRAFTING* part of it. The only thing they've done is changed the text on their website. This is like cheating on your wife, getting caught, and then telling her your affair is over . . . when you're still just banging your mistress behind her back. This hasn't accomplished anything and GoDaddy is responsible for such an insane amount of domains that it would be difficult for any organized reaction to them to have a meaningful long term impact. Great - imgur and wikipedia pulled their registratrions from them. That's a whole $20/yr. Wow!

Re:THIS is why free markets work (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524526)

You must have been living under a rock if you still believe that free markets work. They've repeatedly proven that they need to be regulated or they'll take advantage of their position. Go study your history.

Exactly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524576)

If it was up to the free market, copyright law would not even exist. And you would have to be a complete retard to think that that would be a good thing.

Re:Exactly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524720)

copyright law would not even exist

I'm suddenly liking the free market. Is there any chance that we can just take this part and leave the rest? I'm tired of the artificial scarcity.

Re:THIS is why free markets work (2)

Catiline (186878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524726)

I'm sorry, you seem to be conflating corporations -- who have a position within a market, and long term goals -- with the market as a whole. Let me demonstrate by removing the pronouns from your statement:

...still believe that free markets work. Free markets [note: only plural antecedent] have repeatedly proven that free markets need to be regulated or free markets will take advantage of their position.

I can't make head or tails of what you mean by "free markets will take advantage of their position". Markets, as a whole, don't have a position -- that only can make sense within a market, which requires your use of "they" to referring to a smaller unit, not previously mentioned. I'd assume you mean corporations, in which case you're confused as to what "free market" means -- it is when buyers have freedom to select from among multiple sellers, and refers to corporations not one whit.

Re:THIS is why free markets work (1)

magamiako1 (1026318) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524822)

I think you're the one mistaken about a "free market". It means that the market works with NO government intervention into business.

This includes:
No OSHA
If you contract with a company knowingly putting yourself in danger, well, that's *your* fault, not theirs. You should have worked somewhere safer.
Monopolies and Oligopolies are free to exist since no government can step in to take them down.
Collusion is free to run rampant since there will be no regulation on it.
Insider trading and stock manipulation is all good to go, again, no government to stop them!
Privacy? Regulatory Compliance? Who needs that?
You got injured from a product, aka lawn darts? Then don't buy them if they're so unsafe!

Re:THIS is why free markets work (2)

digitalsolo (1175321) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524908)

You got injured from a product, aka lawn darts? Then don't buy them if they're so unsafe!

I was with you until this one. It should never be the government's job to regulate around blatant idiocy.

Re:THIS is why free markets work (5, Insightful)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524550)

For the next year (or so), this will be my counter-example when I debate politics with people who argue that a centrally regulated economy is better than the free market -- as in, "I will happily agree with you, if first you explain this one annoying fact please."

OK, I'll try: domain registrars do not operate in a free market. They are regulated by ICANN [icann.org] . If they were in a truly free market, GoDaddy could (and almost certainly would) simply refuse to transfer any domains away from themselves.

When you hear talk of a free market working and really look at it, you almost always find that the market isn't TRULY free; it needs regulation, and if that regulation weren't there it would be a disaster.

I agree that domain registration is a relatively free market and this is an example of where a relatively free market works well. However it's not truly free; there's your explanation. In fact I suspect you'd be hard pressed to find any market that needs literally no regulation, to protect people's safety, or prohibit companies from screwing customers over.

Free market != Anarchy (5, Insightful)

mangu (126918) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524650)

If they were in a truly free market, GoDaddy could (and almost certainly would) simply refuse to transfer any domains away from themselves.

You seem to have fallen into the common mistake of thinking a free market is the same as anarchy.

Free market is composed of "free" and "market". Market assumes a certain set of rules, among them the right to property. If you have a domain hosted at GoDaddy the domain is yours.

GoDaddy refusing to accept transfer of domains would be like a commercial garage refusing to let people take their cars out. That would be theft, not freedom. What a free market means is that buyer and seller are free to negotiate among themselves the price and conditions of a sale. It does not mean someone is free to steal from someone else.

Re:Free market != Anarchy (1)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524662)

But who defines that a domain is property? The government, or the regulator. It's not necessarily obvious. And there are other various restrictions in place which make the market operate much better for the customer, too. The point is that whilst the definition of "market" may not be disputed, the definition of "free" is. Some of those big companies would pretty much like it to mean "anarchy" (wonder why?)

Re:THIS is why free markets work (1)

thelinuxfan (2527790) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524702)

In a truly free market, you don't just remove ICANN and expect the result is mayhem. A truly free market would have a competitive registrar that you could buy rights to the domain, or you would have a contract with GoDaddy to maintain the rights of the domain name.

Free market does not mean lack of control and oversight.

Re:THIS is why free markets work (1)

Catiline (186878) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524794)

OK, I'll try: domain registrars do not operate in a free market.... If they were in a truly free market, GoDaddy could (and almost certainly would) simply refuse to transfer any domains away from themselves.

You are absolutely, 100% correct in your premise, but you arrive at the wrong conclusion; this is unfortunately all too common because very few people understand what "free market" really means.

Your argument is phrased like this:
* Domain registrars do not operate in a free market.
Correct: a "free market" is one where buyers may select freely from vendors offering different services. Regulation prevents this differentiation, and thus closes off the market from being "free".

* GoDaddy, a registrar, could refuse to transfer names in an unregulated market.
Correct, but you overlook the competition from other registrars -- your conclusion:...

* Therefore, we can expect an unregulated market in domain names to provide fewer services [transfers] than a regulated one.
...is thereby invalid. In a free market, it would be an advertising advantage to allow transfers to your company; furthermore, we can expect each business' interests to force any such agreements to be reciprocal and thus forcing businesses to allow transfers away as well.

Re:THIS is why free markets work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524600)

Actually, no. Congress is responding to their constituents all right. It's just that their constituents aren't who you think they are (or think they should be).

Re:THIS is why free markets work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524758)

You neatly skip over the bailouts to the 'too big to fail' companies. How does the 'Free Market' (TM) work with financial organizations that are 'Too Big To Fail'?

Hint: It's a religion

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. (Seneca)

I'm actually glad that I hosted with them (5, Funny)

cptBongo (1376805) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524358)

...so I get the satisfaction of dumping them now.

Re:I'm actually glad that I hosted with them (2)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524530)

That's like saying you're glad you got malaria so you could feel what it was like to be cured after a while. :-)

Re:I'm actually glad that I hosted with them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524570)

I'd compare this to something more like aids.

Re:I'm actually glad that I hosted with them (1)

19061969 (939279) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524630)

I'm thinking of getting a domain with GD just so I can dump them too ;-)

This is all bull**** (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524390)

GoDaddy isn't a faceless behemoth, instead it is made out of ordinary people, such as you and me. Maybe one day, some PR or Legal Exec. asked some manager about the decision to support SOPA, and "someone" said "yes, why the hell not". I don't think most of the employees of GoDaddy even care about supporting or not SOPA, it was just a blunder. I don't even live in the US, but I've been reading comments like this for days and they are made by imbeciles who have no understanding at all about how a big company moves, and how hard it is to manage blunders. I have several thousand domains on GoDaddy, and that is probably more than they lost today. I don't think they care. Stop throwing rocks.

AC

Re:This is all bull**** (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524420)

Totally agree. A big faceless company should not have to face the consequences of its actions. Besides the people who work at the other companies who provide registry service do not count. They do not deserve to benefit at the expense of another corporation's scew up no matter the douche factor.

Re:This is all bull**** (5, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524464)

Your comment is probably the most willfully ignorant of this entire topic. You don't think that any of them reallyc are about supporting SOPA or not and that it was probably just some random "hey do we support SOPA?" comment that lead to someone saying "sure, whatever" and then posting that on their website?

Then please explain GoDaddy's role in actively adding their names to the list of SOPA supporters.

Please explain GoDaddy's role in actually CRAFTING PART OF SOPA ITSELF.

Please explain GoDaddy's role in additionally crafting part of SOPA itself such that GoDaddy is exempt from it.

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Benefits for Go Daddy (1)

dbolgheroni (826989) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524438)

In the case I'm missing something, what's the real benefits for Go Daddy if they continued to support SOPA?

Re:Benefits for Go Daddy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524512)

It is about doing the right thing, and fighting piracy. Everybody else seems to have a "piracy is not our problem" attitude. It is amazing how selfish, shortsighted and downright stupid the masses are. And it is unfortunate that Go Daddy will suffer for having the courage to stand up for what is right.

Re:Benefits for Go Daddy (3, Insightful)

Grave (8234) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524632)

I couldn't agree more. In fact, I think it's extremely selfish and stupid that people aren't willing to give up the rights that the founders of this country fought and died to give us. It's extremely shortsighted for people to think their freedom is more important than the almighty, benevolent, caring, giving corporation. How dare they! Long live the corporation!

Sigh...

Re:Benefits for Go Daddy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524680)

Long live the corporation

F*ck the corporations. Who needs a job anyway. We can just pirate everything we need.

Hipster GoDaddy (1)

Praeluceo (528253) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524524)

Hipster GoDaddy supported SOPA before it was cool...

...and pretended it didn't anymore once it got the attention it was seeking.

One problem its who GoDaddy's customers are. (4, Funny)

robbak (775424) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524572)

I mean, how do we get lowlife scum like typo-squatters to boycott? Who else would tolerate them?

Re:One problem its who GoDaddy's customers are. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524592)

Hopefully, nobody. So if the rest of us can drive GoDaddy out of business, we can solve that problem as well.

I used to have a domain with Godaddy (2)

iphinome (810750) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524586)

But then they took a SOPA to the knee.

Of course they did... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524604)

If SOPA goes through, Imgur has a lot of problems....especially since a majority of the pics I've ever seen linked to them are copyrighted and not posted by the original author or with permission from said....

Re:Of course they did... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524768)

And if Imgur dies, seriously, who cares? They have three employees! Big whoop.
There are many more pirates of content, than producers of content. Of course SOPA will not be popular.

.fm domain transfers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#38524620)

I want to switch, but it's difficult finding a good domain transfer host for my .fm domain.

You have to be okay with criminals to use GoDaddy (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524652)

in the first place. Pretty much everything they do borders on criminal activity and fucking over people. The only people who use them intelligently are the scammers (which includes squatters) and thats only because they are cheap and common company for each other.

If you host your name with Go Daddy, you pretty much deserve to be treated like shit. Their commercials alone are enough to prove my point.

SCO (1)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524724)

GoDaddy also paid SCO at least $1M too. I would have left them then if I were a customer of theirs.

Bandwidth unit (1)

Lord Lode (1290856) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524762)

The unit of bandwidth is bits/second.

The article mentions a bandwidth of 28 terabytes. Dimensional analysis shows that the unit of that is bits, not bits/s. What does this mean????

Re:Bandwidth unit (1)

MattSausage (940218) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524962)

My understanding is this particular measure is 28 Terabytes/Day... so in bits per second it would go to...224teraBITS/Day which equals roughly .0026 TeraBITS/Sec... which is roughly 2.6megabits/sec.. 24 hours a day without a pause. Does that help clear it up, you monster?

I dumped them (1)

Megaport (42937) | more than 2 years ago | (#38524968)

Because I had so many domains with them I needed to call the support phone number to get them to produce a csv with all the auth codes, and surprisingly they answered quickly and did what I asked. They were very polite.

When I said that SOPA was my reason for transferring, the call center guy asked whether it was GoDaddy's initial position or their later decisions that made me want to transfer. I told him that their initial stance was enough for me to leave, and that I've been a customer since their first year of operation.

If the crowd is to have any power at all, we need to punish the corporations that we can effect.

--M

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