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ICANN To Replace 'Digital Archery' Program With Raffle

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the to-each-according-to-his-need dept.

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itwbennett writes "As Slashdot readers will recall, ICANN has been struggling to find a way to decide which applications to evaluate first. At the end of June, ICANN announced it had abandoned plans to use the Digital Archery contest. Then at the end of July, ICANN said it would process all applications simultaneously. Now there's a new plan in the works: an old-fashioned, manual raffle with tickets costing $100. There's just one catch, though: California law prohibits unlicensed lotteries."

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gnaa (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41637929)

are you gay? are you a nigger?

then you must work for ICANN.

Re:gnaa (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41639785)

Score:-1, Redundant

Lovely

Not only California... (1)

BabaChazz (917957) | about a year and a half ago | (#41637953)

The Canadian province of British Columbia does as well... And Quebec requires that anyone running a raffle or other game of chance not only register, but pay all provincial and federal taxes on the winnings.

Re:Not only California... (1)

DragonDru (984185) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638103)

I forget, but why does California law matter in this context? Is ICANN in California?

Re:Not only California... (2)

BabaChazz (917957) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638191)

Basically it seems that this would bar any company in California (and much of Canada) from entering this raffle. It is as illegal to take part in an unregistered raffle as it is to run one.

Re:Not only California... (4, Funny)

Sulphur (1548251) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638429)

Basically it seems that this would bar any company in California (and much of Canada) from entering this raffle. It is as illegal to take part in an unregistered raffle as it is to run one.

In other words ICANNt?

Re:Not only California... (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638587)

Who cares? Its not as if there are any significant players in the Internet business in California anyway.

</humor>

Well, there won't be after all this dust settles.

Re:Not only California... (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about a year and a half ago | (#41646449)

"It is as illegal to take part in an unregistered raffle as it is to run one."

And it's getting to the point of WTFC (who the f*ck cares?).

The "digital archery" idea was so astoundingly bone-headed that I have a hard time believing these people are still running the organization.

Let's build a DNS-free, decentralized internet, and fire these bureaucratic bozos.

That's not a catch (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41637969)

California can go fuck itself.

Digital Archery (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41637971)

More like butt-archery.

Re:Digital Archery (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41639255)

I like 10 digits in my butt.

Confucius say: man who go to sleep with itchy asshole wake up with shitty finger!

Nickname (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638021)

I got out of the ISP business a decade ago. But it seems nothing has changed, they still richly deserve what we used to call them back then, ICANN't

FFS... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638031)

... just use an auction. Why is this so difficult?

fucking worthless. (4, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638051)

ICANN serves no point but to make a few old white guys filthy rich these days. call me an old fart but i think .info proved good and goddamned well we dont need anymore TLD's. .org is already abused enough as it is, and unless ICANN wants to chew through those shit sandwiches first i dont think they should be allowed to do any archery, or raffles, or whatever charades they feel are appropriate in the means of keeping up appearances while they whore out the internet.

Re:fucking worthless. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638449)

ICANN serves no point but to make a few old white guys filthy rich these days.

I don't understand the fixation on race. If they were old black guys would that make you feel better?

Re:fucking worthless. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638553)

his reference was to Good ol'boy club - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_ol%27_boy

It's how I think of them too.

It can be used as a pejorative term, referring to someone who engages in cronyism among men who have known each other for a long period of time. Collectively these people are referred to using the slang term, Good ol' boy network (also known as an old boys' club). This network is usually all men, excluding women and minorities.

Re:fucking worthless. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638925)

It's an accurate description though - they ARE a bunch of old white guys. Go see for yourself at their conferences etc.

Re:fucking worthless. (2)

Mitreya (579078) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638645)

call me an old fart but i think .info proved good and goddamned well we dont need anymore TLD's.

Also, no one uses domain names as envisioned earlier. If the last website I found through [google or other search engine] had an .info domain, I didn't even notice. How much traffic do mis-typed domain owners get nowdays?
It's bookmarks or search engine to find any domain now

Re:fucking worthless. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41640213)

We should go back to the idea of the hybrid newsgroup and early web that was originally going to happen.

It had far better organization overall.

Now you have to go country . service type . service name / directory/parameters/files /
None of this abusive crap, you can only register in a country code if you have a company there.
No more abuse of .tv for TV things. And the best, no more abuse of tiny urls for the sake of Twits, get better servers and business plan you cheapos! Screw 140 characters, URLs shouldn't even count to it either. I seriously hope they put their DBs online when they collapse, millions of URL aliases dead in a day, terrible.

And since we are coming from the current crap mess of this Web to newWeb, have a * countrycode that refers to the mess of sites we have now. In that case, it would become *.com.google.images.
Might as well destroy the current DNS so people willingly update to the new one.
ICANN have already destroyed it anyway. This makes no difference, it just flips a turd on its head.

Re:fucking worthless. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41640775)

"ICANN serves no point but to make a few old white guys filthy rich these days."

What's with the ageism, racism and sexism, dude?

They take the money.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638101)

Time for them to do the f*** job. A lottery jeez. If they can't do the job they should just say so and resign.

Money grab (4, Informative)

corychristison (951993) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638105)

This whole thing from day one has been about one thing and one thing only: money.

I didn't like this gTLD crap when they first announced it and I think this just confirms how bad of a joke this whole thing is.

If this raffle idea goes through I urge everyone to just ignore it. ICANN needs to get their head out of their ass.

how long can we milk these suckers? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638125)

These idiots have already given us sacks of cash for nothing in return. How much more can we scam off them?

Order they are recieved? (1)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638133)

What's wrong with doing them in the order they are recieved, like almost everyone else does for everything else?

Re:Order they are recieved? (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638327)

Because they originally announced that the order would not matter, and people took their time to submit proposals. It is like changing rules in the middle of the game.

Re:Order they are recieved? (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about a year and a half ago | (#41652535)

Like they've been doing since the beginning anyways? Just have everyone re-submit a new copy and use that order.

Re:Order they are recieved? (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about a year and a half ago | (#41652591)

That is exactly what is being dubbed as digital archery. People did not like digital archery and now ICANN is offering a raffle.

Re:Order they are recieved? (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about a year and a half ago | (#41665765)

"Hit a button at exactly 10:00am on December 5th" and "send in new copies now" are not exactly the same.

Re:Order they are recieved? (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about a year and a half ago | (#41665849)

So who ever notices the email (or news) first gets to claim the domain? I would prefer a raffle to this, if I were one of the participants (hell, I would even prefer the digital archery to this).

Applications for gTLDs (4, Informative)

sexconker (1179573) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638137)

TFS doesn't say what this shit is for. It's for applications for new gTLDs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_top-level_domain [wikipedia.org] .

Basically, a bunch of clowns at major corporations want to register their own version of .com, .net, etc.. ICANN said "no that's dumb" for a long time, but someone told them they could make money off of it, so they decided to go for it, but they didn't have any plan on how to handle applications. ICANN as usual fucked it up.

Now there's probably a hundred applications for .abc and ICANN can't figure out which one to evaluate first.

Re:Applications for gTLDs (2)

Ignacio (1465) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638261)

TFS doesn't say what this shit is for.

That's because it's been in TFS of almost every article mentioning ICANN for the past... year and a half or so. Maybe longer.

What the... (1)

Ignacio (1465) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638251)

Who the hell put these jokers in charge in the first place? They keep going from one bad idea to the next...

Why is this so hard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638303)

It's not like we haven't been without a method of selling off scarce but highly desired items. Would an auction not work? This lottery idea is downright retarded.

Step 1 - Open submission. Qualified parties can submit a list of TDLs they want.
Step 2 - Take the list from step 1 and create auctions for each one (Filter by some reasonable minimum threshold if there are too many submissions)
Step 3 - Announce dates of each auction, and allow the highest bidder to take the rights to the TLD. (I'm sure there are dozens of respected institutions they could hire to run said auctions)
Step 4 - Massive, scrooge McDuck swimming in an ocean of money amounts of profit.

Re:Why is this so hard? (1)

fritsd (924429) | about a year and a half ago | (#41641231)

You forgot one:

Step 0 - INVENT unnecessary, but scarce and highly desired items. See also: Software Patents, Indulgences, etc.

Re:Why is this so hard? (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about a year and a half ago | (#41652599)

Simple auction website. Each gTLD gets its own auction page that expires after a 24 hour period of no bidding. You must pay a fixed sum entrance fee to access each gTLD auction page. If you chose a gTLD that does not yet have an auction page, one is automatically generated and you must bid the mininum amount. When a new gTLD auction is started, it is posted on an rss (or similar) feed that ONLY announces that the auction has started (each entrant must pay the entrance fee so see the page).

Is it just me (4, Insightful)

rsilvergun (571051) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638315)

or is there a metric tonne of crap that California's consumer protection laws save the rest of us from?

Re:Is it just me (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638349)

Nitpick on your signature. They are usually called extensions or addons (plugins in FF are usually very different).

Re:Is it just me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41639013)

Sweepstakes and Lottery laws are common across the United States and the world.

The nuances of them are quite complicated. There's a reason, for example, many require you to answer a trivia question or solve a math problem, since that technically gets around the laws.

Another Catch (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638365)

This probably violates California cancer disclosure laws.

it's not a lottery or raffle (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638443)

It is just selecting the order by lot.

Lotteries and raffles are sweepstakes and are restricted. In a sweepstakes, you pay X amount of money but don't necessarily get X amount of product. The biggest restriction is that each person who enters must receive something of at least the value of what they paid. And since you don't want to pay everyone out, that effectively means the entry price must be $0 to satisfy this restriction.

But in the iCANN system each of these companies "wins", they all receive what they paid for, just the order changes. Legally, there's no problem with this.

Re:it's not a lottery or raffle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41639051)

Only one company gets each gTLD. So, ones like .bank or .secure go to the winner of the lottery, the rest are SOL.

Re:it's not a lottery or raffle (1)

makomk (752139) | about a year and a half ago | (#41640177)

ICANN charged a fairly substantial non-refundable entrance fee for each application and allowed multiple companies to apply for the same gTLD, but obviously only one company can get each one. They're now planning on picking which applicant actually receives something for the money they've paid at random. That's pretty clearly a raffle.

Re:it's not a lottery or raffle (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#41640559)

yeah while the obvious solution is that if there's two companies which have reasonable claims to a tld then neither of the companies should have it.

in reality this project inside icann will not be finished until the guys running this shit show have another project to go to. until then it's stalling time!

wtf is a digital archery contest? (1)

nazsco (695026) | about a year and a half ago | (#41638663)

clicked all the article links and they all talk like everyone know what it means. Also google search only link to articles saying icann is not using whatever it is. probably the very same article that must have came here trhu reuters or some other.

The only link that does not appear to be that same article is this one http://www.digitalarcheryexperts.com/ [digitalarc...xperts.com]
but it appears to be the destination of clicks on those 'hit the monkey' banners from the 90s so i will not take it seriously.

Re:wtf is a digital archery contest? (1)

AvitarX (172628) | about a year and a half ago | (#41639459)

I punched the shit outta that monkey in the 90s, I think that means I get .cola tld

Re:wtf is a digital archery contest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41639621)

ICANN wants more money. To help with this, they're selling new TLDs to anyone willing to buy one. They asked the brightest minds on the planet to devise a way to decide who should get access to the limited supplies first. ICANN didn't like the proposed solutions and went with their webdesigner's brilliant idea instead: a Flash game.

I like to believe whoever came up with the archery idea is an undercover agent working to destroy ICANN from the inside.

Re:wtf is a digital archery contest? (1)

dohzer (867770) | about a year and a half ago | (#41641691)

From: http://www.mindsandmachines.com/2012/06/the-biggest-glitch-of-all-icanns-batching-program-for-new-gtlds/ [mindsandmachines.com]
"ICANN has determined that it can only evaluate 500 applications at a time. It is therefore using something called “digital archery” to separate applications into batches. An applicant picks a time, then attempts to click a mouse as close to that time as possible. The closer you are, the higher batch number you achieve. Combined with this is a round-robin method meant to assure that applications for different regions are fairly represented, though in practice it is grossly unfair. This entire program is flawed, unfair, and will create mayhem and ill-will. And it is completely unnecessary."

No problem, ICANN can simply have a "drawing" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638823)

Hi -

For many years I attended meetings of the old UCLA PC Users group, which later essentially became the Los Angeles Computer Society. At the end of most meetings various prizes (usually donated by attending vendors who were trying to promote those products) were given away by drawing little pieces of paper with member names on them from some kind of container. When we met at UCLA we were told to always call this a "drawing", which was OK. But if we had referred to it as a "raffle" or "lottery" that would have broken various rules for groups meeting on the UCLA campus.

- TWR
Redondo Beach, California

Re:No problem, ICANN can simply have a "drawing" (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#41640565)

if you didn't have an entrance fee, it was probably ok.

but if you have a fee and prizes.. it's a raffle/lottery. and icann most certainly had fees for applying for these. ridiculous fees.

YOU FAIL IT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638901)

)A1nd promotes our

pulltabs! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638913)

Its going to cost enough anyway to try and get one, just have everyone meet at a bar and do pulltabs or darts. Or maybe a contest to decide what contest to use to hand out names...

Skill Testing Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41638929)

Just make the winner of the raffle answer what is Six Plus 8 Times Seven. If they can't handle basic arithmetic using PEMDAS, then they lose.

When will people figure out... (1)

pongo000 (97357) | about a year and a half ago | (#41639181)

...that we really don't need ICANN when we have alternative democratic roots such as OpenNIC [opennicproject.org] ? Those who complain about the money-grubbing ways of ICANN really shouldn't complain if they haven't checked out the alternatives.

Re:When will people figure out... (2)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | about a year and a half ago | (#41639283)

A company called NewDotNet tried this about 10 years ago. It installed adware to resolve the then non-existent TLDs they kept a registry for.

Re:When will people figure out... (1)

pongo000 (97357) | about a year and a half ago | (#41639499)

OpenNIC isn't a for-profit entity. Rather, it's an open-source, democratic altroot that isn't interested in making money on TLDs. BTW, OpenNIC has been around now for 12 years or so. Interesting that they outlasted NewDotNet...

Re:When will people figure out... (1)

petermgreen (876956) | about a year and a half ago | (#41639381)

The point of a domain name is it should resolve correctly from on any computer on the internet. A domain that most users can't resolve is pretty much worthless.

Re:When will people figure out... (1)

pongo000 (97357) | about a year and a half ago | (#41639507)

The point of a domain name is it should resolve correctly from on any computer on the internet. A domain that most users can't resolve is pretty much worthless.

Not unless people finally tire of the games ICANN plays and say enough is enough. BTW, any computer on the internet can resolve an OpenNIC TLD. It just needs a bit of configuration to do so. Of course, there will always be naysayers who say it's better to "stay the course," because we all know that alternatives are worthless.

Re:When will people figure out... (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#41639885)

And in theory, any computer on the internet can display HTML pages correctly, yet there are still millions of MSIE users. Unless Microsoft installs it by default, there is very little chance of success.

Also; what's to stop OpenNIC from being abused by evil companies? Who decide who gets which domain(s)? How will people vet the billions of domains ranging from a.free to zzzzzzzzzzzzz.free that evil companies are destined to automatically submit every day?

Re:When will people figure out... (1)

pongo000 (97357) | about a year and a half ago | (#41640173)

And in theory, any computer on the internet can display HTML pages correctly, yet there are still millions of MSIE users. Unless Microsoft installs it by default, there is very little chance of success.

And the success rate for returning a sample from Mars? 0%...guess that means NASA should give up on ever getting a sample from Mars?

Also; what's to stop OpenNIC from being abused by evil companies? Who decide who gets which domain(s)? How will people vet the billions of domains ranging from a.free to zzzzzzzzzzzzz.free that evil companies are destined to automatically submit every day?

Pretty much the same principles that keep open source from being abused by evil companies: Governance and oversight by those who want to see OpenNIC remain free and unencumbered. This might mean anything from limiting domain registrations on a per day basis to prohibiting automated registrations.

The point is that it's easy to be a naysayer, throw your hands up and announce "This isn't going to work." Those involved with OpenNIC choose not to adopt that attitude, and instead continue to fight for an alternative to ICANN (instead of just bitching about it on /.).

Re:When will people figure out... (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#41641199)

Realistic != naysayer.
Idealism is fine amongst idealists, but doesn't always work out in the real world.
Open source is protected by legal frameworks such as the GPL. What legal framework protects OpenNIC?
Evil companies may take over Linux development completely, yet they could still be forced to keep source open by a single copyright holder. What is to stop OpenNIC from being taken over by corporate drones?

Yeah... (1)

Barny (103770) | about a year and a half ago | (#41639359)

They could just arrange a deathmatch game of Q3 arena, with all the applicants for a gTLD allowed to choose one entrant who MUST have been a company employee for at least a year, and the first to twenty frags gets it...

Re:Yeah... (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about a year and a half ago | (#41652641)

Would this be a knock-out tournament setup or have all 10,000 of them in one huge arena? Because I would PAY to see the later broadcast to the public!

Why not do it randomly (2)

jonwil (467024) | about a year and a half ago | (#41639375)

Have a computer program with a good solid Random Number Generator pick the order in which new TLDs get evaluated.
No-one can complain because its random and everyone has an equal chance of getting their TLDs evaluated first.

Re:Why not do it randomly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41640031)

I would think that's what raffle means, but considering these are the clowns who thought digital archery sounded good, maybe they're using a whole 'nother dictionary.

Re:Why not do it randomly (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41640347)

Apparently the problem is that they don't want to refund the application fee if they can't actually provide the TLD. Since multiple companies want the same TLDs, and only one can have it, that means that regardless of what method they choose, multiple people paid but only one gets the prize. Thus they need to find some way to get around anti-gambling laws.

Essentially what this is all about is that they already blew the application fees on drugs and so they have to figure out some way to avoid any requirement to issue a refund. The "we can only process so many applications a year" nonsense is just a distraction. Regardless of how fast they can process applications, there's still the problem of deciding who gets something for their money and who doesn't. This is also why they can't take the simple route of processing the applications in the order they were received. In that case, rather than running a lottery, they merely accepted payment for something they couldn't deliver on. Thus that doesn't solve their problem either.

Honestly, if I were them, and I had no morals (like I said, if I was them) then I'd just make up some excuse to reject all but one application for each TLD. In that way, I'd get to keep the application fee because I did perform the service of evaluating the application, thus no anti-gambling laws were violated.

Misread headline (1)

flargleblarg (685368) | about a year and a half ago | (#41639495)

Am I the only one who misread the title at first as: ICANN To Replace 'Digital Archery' Program With Rifle ?

TLDs are pointless (2)

v. Konigsmann (808666) | about a year and a half ago | (#41639613)

Get rid of all of them except .com. Just don't issue any others, and leave the ones already there until attrition destroys them.

There's no actual value to having different tlds for the website xxxxxx, other than to make money for domain sellers, who frighten the owner ( renter ) of xxxxxx.com into buying more domains for the same site to stop competitors from using xxxxxx.net or xxxxxx.org. I have never come across a real site whose domain name led to an entirely unrelated site run by different owners based on the .yyy.

Should one imagine this would lead to not enough site names, there are enough words to be combined in any language and enough languages to accommodate millions of sites. Plus losing the fake/crap sites ---scraper-sites for just one instance --- would not harm the internet at all.

Re:TLDs are pointless (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about a year and a half ago | (#41652655)

I'm guessing you live in the US where local businesses have pretty much take over .com ( you were SUPPOSED to use .us! ). Try going to Europe or Asia and then you will see that .com is MUCH more prevalent in North America than the rest of the world.

Re:TLDs are pointless (1)

v. Konigsmann (808666) | about a year and a half ago | (#41654349)

I do not live in the US and I own a number of .coms --- none of which have any relationship to business: which goes for most .coms.

Ideally there would be no tlds; since they are not a physical requirement for urls which mask numbers: http:/// [http] or http://www./ [www.] or ftp:// [ftp] etc are more than enough to indicate an address.

Here's another alternative... (2)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#41639865)

Stop the new TLD mess, it's just a money grab. Only introduce new TLD's if there's a clear need for it. .biz and .info have pretty much failed as well (mostly scam sites), how much better will all those hundreds of new TLD's fare?
Instead focus on releasing those millions of parked domainnames or atleast fix the administrative gap that allows registrars to keep those millions of domains parked for practically free. The problem isn't a lack of TLD's, it's a lack of decent domainnames and most of those are wasted on yet another money grabbing scheme.

Re:Here's another alternative... (1)

jdogalt (961241) | about a year and a half ago | (#41643413)

... focus on releasing those millions of parked domainnames or atleast fix the administrative gap that allows registrars to keep those millions of domains parked for practically free. The problem isn't a lack of TLD's, it's a lack of decent domainnames and most of those are wasted on yet another money grabbing scheme.

Umm... please do explain said gap. I'd like to save money on a few that I've 'parked', though without any ads, and not in any way to scam other companies.

christ... (1)

shentino (1139071) | about a year and a half ago | (#41640927)

Just process the damn applications in order of submission already.

If that doesn't work, randomize it and be done with it.

This is turning into a farce because you are dilly dallying WHILE YOU ALREADY HAVE THEIR MONEY.

If I was one of the applicants I would be suing you for fraud by now.

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