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GNOME 3.8 Released Featuring New "Classic" Mode

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the extend-freely dept.


Hot on the heels of the Gtk+ 3.8 release comes GNOME 3.8. There are a few general UI improvements, but the highlight for many is the new Classic mode that replaces fallback. Instead of using code based on the old GNOME panel, Classic emulates the feel of GNOME 2 through Shell extensions (just like Linux Mint's Cinnamon interface). From the release notes: "Classic mode is a new feature for those people who prefer a more traditional desktop experience. Built entirely from GNOME 3 technologies, it adds a number of features such as an application menu, a places menu and a window switcher along the bottom of the screen. Each of these features can be used individually or in combination with other GNOME extensions."

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Warning about Slashdot moderator abuse... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307447)

A corrupt slashdot luser has infiltrated the moderation system to downmod all my posts while impersonating me.

Nearly 170++ times that I know of @ this point for all of March 2013 so far, & others here have told you to stop - take the hint, lunatic (leave slashdot)...

Sorry folks - but whoever the nutjob is that's attempting to impersonate me, & upset the rest of you as well, has SERIOUS mental issues, no questions asked! I must've gotten the better of him + seriously "gotten his goat" in doing so in a technical debate & his "geek angst" @ losing to me has him doing the:


A.) $10,000 challenges, ala (where the imposter actually TRACKED + LISTED the # of times he's done this no less, & where I get the 170 or so times I noted above) -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585795&cid=43285307 [slashdot.org]


B.) Reposting OLD + possibly altered models - (this I haven't checked on as to altering the veracity of the info. being changed) of posts of mine from the past here


(Albeit massively repeatedly thru all threads on /. this March 2013 nearly in its entirety thusfar).

* Personally, I'm surprised the moderation staff here hasn't just "blocked out" his network range yet honestly!

(They know it's NOT the same as my own as well, especially after THIS post of mine, which they CAN see the IP range I am coming out of to compare with the ac spamming troll doing the above...).


P.S.=> Again/Stressing it: NO guys - it is NOT me doing it, as I wouldn't waste that much time on such trivial b.s. like a kid might...

Plus, I only post where hosts file usage is on topic or appropriate for a solution & certainly NOT IN EVERY POST ON SLASHDOT (like the nutcase trying to "impersonate me" is doing for nearly all of March now, & 170++ times that I know of @ least)... apk

Re:Warning about Slashdot moderator abuse... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307559)

You seriously need to go see a shrink. You are a fucking fruitcake!

How about some ReVeRsE PsYcHoLoGy...apk (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307605)

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Re:How about some ReVeRsE PsYcHoLoGy...apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308589)

This made me laugh *so* hard!!!

Re:Warning about Slashdot moderator abuse... apk (-1, Offtopic)

Zamphatta (1760346) | about 2 years ago | (#43307607)

Yeah, Anonymous Coward, you're right! I've seen a whole lotta impersonations of you. This is an epidemic that needs to be fixed!

Re:Warning about Slashdot moderator abuse... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307841)

You know, it's a lot harder for someone to impersonate you if YOU HAD AN ACCOUNT.
P.S. ==> You can even name it HOSTSfile. ...apk

Re:Warning about Slashdot moderator abuse... apk (0, Offtopic)

crafty.munchkin (1220528) | about 2 years ago | (#43308389)

Did you ever consider that it's not just one corrupt moderator, it's a bunch of regular slashdot users who infrequently get mod points who think you are totally full of shit? Stop posting as an AC, and then no one is impersonating you. Stop posting annoying off topic irrelevant bullshit, and people won't mod you down. Contribute positively and get modded up - what a novel concept!

Yes it's probably one person posting the similar drivel to you. On everything. You have the power to stop this - create an account, and no one else can impersonate you. I'm seriously sick of reading your posts about someone impersonating you, and their posts of shit - if you refuse to create an account you're only perpetuating this problem.

Warning about YOUR BREATHING (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308825)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

* POOR SHOWING TROLLS, & most especially IF that's the "best you've got" - apparently, it is... lol!

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.


apk on 4chan [4chan.org]




That was amazing. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948073 [slashdot.org]


My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41835161 [slashdot.org]


Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579 [slashdot.org]


put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023 [slashdot.org]


Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259 [slashdot.org]


[apk]'s done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone [else] ever could. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]


Can I have some of what you're on? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587 [slashdot.org]


this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565 [slashdot.org]


oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479 [slashdot.org]


I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339 [slashdot.org]


Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251 [slashdot.org]


As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]


It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229 [slashdot.org]


Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603 [slashdot.org]


$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289 [slashdot.org]


Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429 [slashdot.org]


And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247 [slashdot.org]


Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673 [slashdot.org]


I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187 [slashdot.org]


Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781 [slashdot.org]


golfclap - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827 [slashdot.org]


The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389 [slashdot.org]


DNS cube? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493 [slashdot.org]


KUDOS valiant AC. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777 [slashdot.org]


Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171 [slashdot.org]


You made my day, thanks! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469 [slashdot.org]


Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381 [slashdot.org]


truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795 [slashdot.org]


It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209 [slashdot.org]


Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175 [slashdot.org]


APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137 [slashdot.org]


You got that right. I think. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239 [slashdot.org]


Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377 [slashdot.org]


ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251 [slashdot.org]


I miss Dr Bob. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027 [slashdot.org]


Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951 [slashdot.org]


Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273 [slashdot.org]


That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107 [slashdot.org]


I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345 [slashdot.org]


1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599 [slashdot.org]


What? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673 [slashdot.org]


I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905 [slashdot.org]


It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251 [slashdot.org]


er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313 [slashdot.org]


performance art - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089 [slashdot.org]


it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097 [slashdot.org]


Seems more like an apk parody. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661 [slashdot.org]


That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101 [slashdot.org]


Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923 [slashdot.org]


Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711 [slashdot.org]


I can has summary? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327 [slashdot.org]


I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133 [slashdot.org]


If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409 [slashdot.org]


DAFUQ I just look at? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085 [slashdot.org]


Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353 [slashdot.org]


We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305 [slashdot.org]


Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965 [slashdot.org]


Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783 [slashdot.org]


Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977 [slashdot.org]


Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521 [slashdot.org]


In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com] . Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119 [slashdot.org]


You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683 [slashdot.org]


"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425 [slashdot.org]


I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495 [slashdot.org]


Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445 [slashdot.org]


Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291 [slashdot.org]


Best. Troll. Ever. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811 [slashdot.org]


I like monkeys. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505 [slashdot.org]


This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263 [slashdot.org]


lul wut? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839 [slashdot.org]


I admire this guy's persistence. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797 [slashdot.org]


It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881 [slashdot.org]


Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893 [slashdot.org]


Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383 [slashdot.org]


I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271 [slashdot.org]


^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371 [slashdot.org]


I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565 [slashdot.org]


The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221 [slashdot.org]


AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215 [slashdot.org]


Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679 [slashdot.org]


If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215 [slashdot.org]


">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363 [slashdot.org]


No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK [mailto] 's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855 [slashdot.org]


The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361 [slashdot.org]


Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431 [slashdot.org]


Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225 [slashdot.org]


YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143 [slashdot.org]


I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987 [slashdot.org]


Can I be in your quote list? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569443&cid=43237531 [slashdot.org]


Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569425&cid=43238177 [slashdot.org]


+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43238479 [slashdot.org]


Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243509 [slashdot.org]


APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243145 [slashdot.org]


Anyone else think that sounds like Ron Paul? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43242417 [slashdot.org]


I just saw APK a couple days ago. He surfaced, blew once, and submerged... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43245913 [slashdot.org]


You make mikael christ the pet look like an huggable teddy bear - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43242373 [slashdot.org]


oh man, that incredible interminable list of responses is almost as funny as the original post. This is getting to be truly epic. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247231 [slashdot.org]


"Does anyone know of an Adblock rule for this?" -> "No, but I bet there's a hosts file entry for it..." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43246997 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247097 [slashdot.org]


"Can a hosts file block apk's posts, though?" -> "The universe couldn't handle that much irony." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247135 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247219 [slashdot.org]


"That's it, I've had enough. ... Bye everyone, most of the last decade or so has been fun, but frankly, I quit." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247225 [slashdot.org]
--> "So basically what you're saying is that you've added yourself to the HOST file?" - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247481 [slashdot.org]


Sweet baby Moses, this is beautiful work - I wish we could get trolls as good as this on TF. :) - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43247533 [slashdot.org]


you have a point - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247823 [slashdot.org]


I do admire that level of dedication. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247765 [slashdot.org]


[to apk] shut up you stupid cock. Everyone knows you're wrong. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43250533 [slashdot.org]


I will hand it to him, he is definitely consistent. I wish I knew how he did this. That thing is scary huge. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43250411 [slashdot.org]


I admire the amount of dedication you've shown - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573571&cid=43251593 [slashdot.org]


Word is, ESR buttfucks CmdrTaco with his revolver. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573679&cid=43252957 [slashdot.org]


Hey APK, Protip: It's not the truth or value (or lack of) in your post that gets it modded into oblivion, it's the fucking insane length. In addition to TL;DR (which goes without saying for a post of such length), how about irritating readers by requiring them to scroll through 20+ screenfuls just to get to the next post. If you want to publish a short story like this, please do everyone a favor and blog it somewhere, then provide a brief summary and link to your blog. Readers intrigued by your summary will go read your blog, and everyone else will just move along at normal /. speed. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573873&cid=43255013 [slashdot.org]


Happy now - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43237239 [slashdot.org]


Professional. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255143 [slashdot.org]


I like how this post seems to just sum up every Slashdot comment ever without actually saying anything. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43256029 [slashdot.org]


extremely bright - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255855 [slashdot.org]


You provide many references, which is good. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43257043 [slashdot.org]


Holy shit - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576121&cid=43260311 [slashdot.org]


this is a perfect example - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578157&cid=43265127 [slashdot.org]


You're my personal hero. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43260747 [slashdot.org]


Obviously very passionate - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43261975 [slashdot.org]


Is that ALL you have to say? C'mon! Tell us what you really think. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43262495 [slashdot.org]


Thanks ... You should probably stay - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577613&cid=43262993 [slashdot.org]


Art? -- http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569681&cid=43244883 [slashdot.org]


PROOF apk sucks donkey dick. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577639&cid=43263029 [slashdot.org]


I've been around /. for a while now, but this post is by far the most unique I've seen. Many have tried, but few achieve the greatness of this AC. My hat's off to you. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43264325 [slashdot.org]


PROOF apk is a liar! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578279&cid=43265249 [slashdot.org]


I think it's hilarious. Get over it! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578301&cid=43265657 [slashdot.org]


Obviously APK filled his hosts files with backdoors before distributing them to ensure he doesn't block himself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578229&cid=43265767 [slashdot.org]


Alexander Peter Kowalski is an obnoxious prick. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42698875 [slashdot.org]


Don't mention that file. Ever. It'll draw APK like a fly to rotting meat. Last thing I want to read is 80 responses worth of his stupid spam about that file! I swear that cocksucker does nothing but search Slashdot for that term and then spams the entire article. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3554655&cid=43209619 [slashdot.org]


[to apk] You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 [slashdot.org]


Oh shit, the hosts files have become self-aware and started hacking accounts. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276783 [slashdot.org]


What mad skillz you have!! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581193&cid=43273941 [slashdot.org]


Am I the only one who enjoys this sort of insanity? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3582193&cid=43281063 [slashdot.org]


You are my favorite Slashdot poster. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3580251&cid=43270359 [slashdot.org]


Most insightful post on the Internet - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3579259&cid=43275207 [slashdot.org]


I read the whole thing *again* just to see if my comment was in there - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3588003&cid=43293069 [slashdot.org]


[to apk] So, did your mom do a lot of drugs when she was pregnant? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586303&cid=43291531 [slashdot.org]


people are looking at me funny because I'm laughing hysterically at what a perfect APK imitation it is. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581991&cid=43278203 [slashdot.org]


I think he wants it to be an article, but doesn't know how to submit it. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586345&cid=43287717 [slashdot.org]


Slashdot devs seem in no hurry to fix this problem and it's been driving me nuts. So for anybody who values viewing at -1 and uses greasemonkey here's a Script [pastebin.com] . There's a chance of false positives and it's not the most optimized. But I value not having to scroll through > 10 paragraphs of APK, custom hosts files, or 'acceptable ads' spam. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43287671 [slashdot.org]
--> slashdot devs are too busy installing itunes for their hipster nerd buddys to sort this problem out. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43290701 [slashdot.org]


I can't get enough of all of this good stuff! Thanks for the informative links! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43287553 [slashdot.org]


When threatened, APK typically produces a post with links showing he's essentially posted this hundreds of times to slashdot stories... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43290275 [slashdot.org]


[to apk] Your post got downmodded because you're a nutjob gone off his meds. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586081&cid=43288893 [slashdot.org]


[to apk] The reason people impersonate you is because everyone thinks you're a moron. The hosts file is not intended to be used as you suggest. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3591803&cid=43302885 [slashdot.org]
-->What? You don't have a 14MB hosts file with ~1million entries in it? Next you'll probably tell me that your computer doesn't start thrashing and take 5 minutes for a DNS lookup! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3591803&cid=43302977 [slashdot.org]


[about apk] - this fwit is as thick as a post. worse, this shithead has mod points. and using them. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3591681&cid=43302873 [slashdot.org]


In before the fight between those two guys and their walls of text... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3592647&cid=43306485 [slashdot.org]


HEY APK YOU ARE A WASTE OF OXYGEN -GET A LIFE - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3593009&cid=43308147 [slashdot.org]



Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.


* :)

Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts [google.com] I practice.


Disproof of all apk's statements:

http://pastebin.com/8yxcW3TJ [pastebin.com]

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581193&cid=43273839 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276593 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581991&cid=43277017 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3582075&cid=43277273 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3582193&cid=43278565 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3584857&cid=43282375 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578357&cid=43282481 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585297&cid=43283241 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585417&cid=43283695 [slashdot.org]
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http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585795&cid=43285307 [slashdot.org]
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So, they heard the complaints... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307459)

...and did something about it that didn't ruin their code base.
          Kudos Gnome Team.
  I kinda like the KDE they forced me to try with their second-to-latest abortion, but I'll give Gnome 3.8 a try.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (2, Insightful)

mcrbids (148650) | about 2 years ago | (#43307505)

Sadly, the KDE experience had a SEVERE problem when they "upgraded" Kmail. The import was severely broken and for several days I was simply unable to get email at all until I have up on kmail (having used it since KDE 1.x days!) and switched to Thunderbird. It's not bad, but I sorely wish I could go back to Kmail on KDE 3.

Yes, I like now mostly like KDE4 and it's finally stabilized to something I don't mind much, but they've lost me for years when it comes to trusting my data.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307603)

The problem with KDE is it's unbelievable ugliness. It looks plasticky and cheap, like a chinese made toy.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (5, Funny)

Tarlus (1000874) | about 2 years ago | (#43307775)

It looks plasticky and cheap

Don't use the 'Plastick' theme, then.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308129)

It looks plasticky and cheap

Don't use Gnome, then.


Re:So, they heard the complaints... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308695)

It looks plasticky and cheap, like a chinese made toy.

You must be using the "Lead" theme.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (4, Interesting)

AvitarX (172628) | about 2 years ago | (#43307879)

It's terrible with multi-monitor, relative to windows anyway.

add an external monitor to my left, It's automatically the primary, my plasma desktop and panels resize and move to it to my left. Ok, fine, I add a new panel (i actually like one on each monitor), but when I remove the monitor, my panels stack on top of each other on the laptop (right). Now when I re add the external monitor I have 2 panels on the left, on top of each other.

also, I've lost windows off screen and couldnt get them back on an unplug. It makes me miss windows.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308321)

I had a similar experience with Kmail, although I eventually managed to get through the import and found that the rest of the functionality was even worse. The interface would occasionally become unresponsive for minutes at a time, and the message list would jump around erratically when I was scrolling through folders. I think the new database was the root of all the problems.

My solution was ClawsMail. It's pretty close to what Kmail used to be when Kmail worked.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (2, Insightful)

theVarangian (1948970) | about 2 years ago | (#43307715)

...and did something about it that didn't ruin their code base. Kudos Gnome Team. I kinda like the KDE they forced me to try with their second-to-latest abortion, but I'll give Gnome 3.8 a try.

I still don't understand what all the hullaballoo is about, I like the new Gnome 3 interface. I can use the search tool to locate and/or launch practically anything I need which means that I am blessedly rid of that horrid Winodows-esque Applications button with it's sub-menus and endless click paths. Now I just hit the search button with my thumb, type app name, hit return and my app launches. Since I got a keyboard with an integrated trackpad I could also dump that useless bloody mouse so now I hardly ever have to take my hand off the keyboard. I only use the trackpad to reposition the cursor, move/resize windows and click buttons and that I can do with the thumb or index finger of my right hand.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307905)

You always could launch applications with a keyboard: it's called the command line.

Now, I'm a big fan of the command line. I'm a sysadmin, after all. But when I use a mouse, I want to use a friggen mouse and not have to touch the keyboard to guess at the name of the application I'm trying to find.

Gnome 3 is a fucking disaster. Their attempts to fix it have come too late; I've switched to XFCE, and I don't trust the Gnome team not to do something brain-dead again in the future.

with it's sub-menus and endless click paths.

You do know that the Gnome 2 menu only ever went two levels deep, right? That's hardly endless.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (1, Troll)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308013)

You do know that you can add extensions to put a lot of the old behavior back. There are also projects like Cinnamon that gives a close approximation to GNOME2. The problem is that you guys don' see that technology and culture is moving, maybe you're not going to change but the new people coming up are goign to want somethign that doesn't look like the stuff their parent's used.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (4, Insightful)

BLKMGK (34057) | about 2 years ago | (#43308225)

Change for change's sake is hardly progress. When I have to search for a damned TERMINAL window, one of the more used things in Linux, it's pretty damned sad. Why must I remember the name of every app I might want to use? Why can I not be given a selection of apps so that I can find that one I use least often who's name escapes me? Why must I be trapped in a Win8 like HELL trying to use my computer?

Sorry, the "new" Gnome sucked ass and I along with MANY others avoid it like the plague. Enough apparently that the Gnome team heard the cries of agony and gave us a way to, in theory, alleviate the damned pain. Should that not be evidence enough that it was a bad damned UI decision?!

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (0)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#43308271)

Should that not be evidence enough that it was a bad damned UI decision?!

No. The existing Gnome 2 userbase on existing hardware was not really the intended audience for Gnome 3. It was possible a bad naming decision in taking the product in a direction likely to alienate existing customers rather than release a new product name. It was very likely a bad political decision to get into a fight with Novell, Canonical and their existing user base all at more or less the same. But no it was not a bad UI decision.

On the right hardware, Gnome 3 is likely a huge step forward. But like Windows 8 there is a chicken and egg problem that the order must go:

OS -> hardware -> applications
for the new interface which means the OSes don't fit existing hardware and existing applications well for a few years.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (3, Insightful)

BLKMGK (34057) | about 2 years ago | (#43308547)

I'm not sure that's true - plenty of folks such as myself had the hardware that could run it but barfed when we saw it and hated it. This had little to do with apps, my apps ran on it but finding them or finding apps who's name I couldn't recall was a joke. I hated the experience and I stopped using it - simple as that. In fact of the Linux users I know all of them, in unison, pretty much tell me they HATE Unity and recommend everything from Kbuntu to Mint to other options just to get rid of it. Hell I've still got a box on 10.04 just so I don't have to deal with this mess of a UI.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (1)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308635)

Well, that's fine, you can use whatever works for you. But don't jump to a conclusion that your opinions are somehow the majority. You don't have the data to justify that claim. I suspect you used it for all of one day and didn't give it a chance because it wasn't like the old way. I've been able to find every app I wanted without a problem. Yes, there are probably some issues, but that's just a matter of evolving the software to be better. GNOME 2 didn't start out that great either did it?

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (2)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308559)

Sort of. In order to evolve the desktop for new hardware you have to have a desktop that isn't so rigid and also uses the building blocks of the web. So, we use javascript, css, and c libraries. Of course, you can use other languages, but this is the prime platform for applications. This works well with where development is going in tech. As well, hardware is starting to get touch sensitive for laptop screens, possibly gps and so forth. With all this new capabilities coming in, do you really think a design that started in 1995 (yes all this stuff came from windows) is going to absorb it? Let's look at the marketing angle as well. GNOME 3 is a fresh new face, whereas XFCE, Mate, and others are all part of a ui design from an older era. Do you think younger folks are going to gravitate to the old design or to the new one as a matter of visual appeal? Designing for today will get you a dwindling user set. It might make sense to take a risk and work towards younger and upcoming users. In the end, everyone is going to be ending up on a UI that is going to take advantage of new hardware capabilities and the old stuff is going to quickly go.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 2 years ago | (#43308657)

What hardware? Tablets? Tablet interfaces are innovations that work great for tablets and tablet workflows. Desktop workflows are different. Compounding the problem by rebuilding applications so they share the same broken interface characteristics makes the situation worse. Forcing adoption by cramming it into places where it doesn't belong for the sake of conformity is never the answer...unless of course the goal is to make tasks more convoluted for people for the sake of ideology.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (5, Insightful)

kiddygrinder (605598) | about 2 years ago | (#43308901)

If Gnome users aren't the target audience for gnome 3 who the hell did they think was going to use it?

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (2)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308531)

Well, I have been using it just fine and my tech credentials is as good as anybody. I don't even use nautilus I use command line for my file manipulations. But I find GNOME 3 works just fine. You're used to doing something in a particular way and you're unhappy because it doesn't fit your model. I'm willing to change some of how i interact with my computer to get the benefits. You'll realize you do this as well when the benefits outweigh the cost of re-learning something. So your criticism is not enough proof to invalidate the design since I can find plenty of people who like it and work just fine. Your terminal example I can find just fine, as I use teh alt-tab to do that just like I did with GNOME 2. Hell I used an extension to revert it back to the old gnome 2 behavior so that I can use it just like before, that's how I found terminals before. No change there. GNOME 3 is nothing like Win 8. So I don't know what you're talking about.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | about 2 years ago | (#43308591)

Yes yes, we'll all like it - that's why they're bringing back the older style right? Just like Win8's most popular damned program is a Start button. It's a perfect interface - that's why there were a dozen spinoff distro that dumped it. nothing to see here, it's all just me - and everyone else I know who uses Linux. I'm glad you saw the light and like the interface, I don't, I didn't, and now it seems they've heard us... And I'd equate Unity as being closer to Win8, my mistake, you're right Gnome itself is different - and I didn't much like it either actually. We'll see if this new mode is worth anything when I get around to loading a distro again that might use it but with all of the other I've found that work well and don't use the modes I don't like it might be awhile.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (1)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308673)

Perhaps I haven't had enough soak time with win 8. But Unity and GNOME doesn't seem to have much in common with Win 8. Unless you're talking about that touch screen interface thing that lets you zoom into different tasks? In any case, there are plenty of people to defend Unity. I work on a floor where most of the floor is using Fedora 17/18 running GNOME 3. No complaints. Again, you can get most of the classic experience back even now by going to extensions.gnome.org.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (4, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | about 2 years ago | (#43308525)

I realize justifying change for its own sake based on emotional needs is the current trend, but it's led us to interfaces that are frustrating to use for even the most basic tasks. Things like pointless whitespace, huge, low density text, extra clicking/dragging/touching/searching, and long winded, laggy animations and transitions do little but add stress and time to the process of getting things done. For example, what the hell happened to the basic control panel, with simple, logically named areas and which contained the whole sum of just about anything that 99% of users would want to tweak? The windows 2k/xp control panel was nothing to write home about, but compared with the overdesigned crapola that's in vista/7, it's a godsend. This is not better. It's worse.

Perhaps it's time to demote the 'designers' a bit in development hierarchies as these people obviously care more about appearance and bottom barrel 'accessibility' than capability and efficiency. In fact, many of those up and coming people you mentioned have trouble with the new designs as well. It's just that fewer and fewer of them have relevant experience with the traditional menu-in-a-corner+modeless window desktop to compare the two. It's fine to keep the interface simple for fixed function devices like media players or ATMs, but workstations are different as they're used for complex, user-defined workflows. These cannot really be optimized for. Attempts to do so cause more problems than they solve. The people who do want their interfaces on rails really don't need workstations in the first place.

It's not just gnome that suffers from this. Microsoft, apple, and google are guilty as well. In their race to the bottom, they're not differentiating at the top, where innovation happens.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (1)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308655)

Dude, it's software and open source. GNOME 2 when it started was a wreck. Same kind of problems. Hell, same complaints when GNOME 3 came out. This site in particular was in the forefront of flaming the living hell out of the GNOME project. Like everything, each release gets better. Perhaps you didn't read the release notes, but animations was one of the things that was being improved. It took till GNOME 2.12 to really start cooking. Maybe you should ignore GNOME until then.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (4, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | about 2 years ago | (#43307927)

How do you launch something when you don't know its name? Sit a newbie down in front of gnome panel and they'll never find all of the "hidden" programs.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (4, Informative)

Coryoth (254751) | about 2 years ago | (#43308487)

How do you launch something when you don't know its name? Sit a newbie down in front of gnome panel and they'll never find all of the "hidden" programs.

The type to search applications feature searches more than just application names -- it searches a number of fields in the .desktop files, including application descriptions. Thus a search for "spreadsheet" will bring up LibreOffice Calc for example. Type what you want to do, and you'll find what you want ... that's the theory.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (5, Insightful)

Carnildo (712617) | about 2 years ago | (#43308899)

So we're back to playing "guess the verb"? Is it called a "console", a "command prompt", a "shell", or a "terminal"?

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (2)

SpectreBlofeld (886224) | about 2 years ago | (#43308263)

Every distro I've used allows you to do the same after hitting ALT+F2, regardless of window manager/desktop environment.

Re:So, they heard the complaints... (5, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | about 2 years ago | (#43308353)

1. having search boxes on menus and windows is just a crutch. the whole point is to see what you're looking for in a graphically intuitive way. Adding search boxes is just admitting the design sucks.

2. Hotkeys easily make window/menu based search boxes redundant, but if you want a keyboard only experience, just dump your gui entirely and run applications from the shell, using xinit when you need a gui application. bash and its brothers are a lot more powerful than some idiotic 'semantic' search box.

Cinnamon (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307475)

I tried Cinnamon on Mint 14.1 and found it to be freezing frequently when changes to it were made. Not ready for prime time IMO and back to Ubuntu 12.10. Unity isn't perfect, but it just works.

Re:Cinnamon (4, Informative)

voss (52565) | about 2 years ago | (#43307617)

I used Mint 14.1 and I found the alternate but included MATE interface to be far more stable than cinnamon.

Everything Just Works (3, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#43307747)

I tried Cinnamon on Mint 14.1 and found it to be freezing frequently

Very little I install on my computer does not just work. I don't mind Unity, and prefer it to Gnome shell but Cinnamon has been an incredible project. I am more than happy to provide you with a working video of my desktop :) I suspect your overstating the position. BTW you can install cinnamon on Ubuntu.

Re:Everything Just Works (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307783)

Wow. You're my hero.

Re:Cinnamon (4, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#43308265)

It "just works" if you have 3d graphics hardware. It's useless on a toughbook. Unity is an epic failure that it requires a 3d acellerated video card.

Too late (-1)

SolitaryMan (538416) | about 2 years ago | (#43307517)

Too late, GNOME!

Switched to Cinnamon and love it.

Re:Too late (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307549)

You're like an Ubuntu user that shuns Debian.

Re:Too late (2)

SpectreBlofeld (886224) | about 2 years ago | (#43308373)

That's not quite fair. Cinnamon and Gnome forked off in two different directions with different UI philosophies. It's perfectly valid to praise one over the other, as they are two different projects now.

I'm glad Gnome has wised up and brought 'classic mode' back. I know that there's an expectation that you have to keep changing things in order to have a sense of progress, but there's a problem when you break traditional desktop metaphors that have really stood the test of time at this point. If you want progress, keep adding customization, so anyone can optimize their desktop to maximize their own workflow. I wanna make my environment look like Windows? Sure. Mac? OK. Unity? Fine.

That's one of the things I love about Android - all those crazy custom launchers that let you tailor your setup to your own preference.

Unity and Gnome 3 (before this release anyway) took away features and customization in the name of 'simplicity'.

That's Not Insightful (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308765)

You're like an Ubuntu user that shuns Debian.

It's perfectly OK to take an invention that was created for one purpose (GNOME 3/GNOME SHELL) and use that creation for something better(GNOME 3/Cinnamon--GNOME SHELL--Cinnamon) while shunning the original purpose. All at the same time giving all due respect to the original technology**.

Take Viagra for example. Viagra(Sildenafil) had little effect on angina, but induced erections. The original purpose was shunned but the new purpose was applauded.

Unlike Pfizer, who had the smarts to run with the new use for Sildenafil, The GNOME 3 developers don't appear to taking advantage of a Cinnamon, an *arguably* better use of GNOME 3/GNOME SHELL.

** For my point I'll assume that GTK /GNOME 3/GNOME SHELL is a good technology to build upon.

Re:Too late (5, Informative)

ADRA (37398) | about 2 years ago | (#43307591)

Moved on, XFCE and it's at least replaced all uses for what Gnome was doing for me. Instead of creating a rich unified DE for all to use (with small enhancements and extensions), they flushed down all their good will in re-inventing something that many/most? of their community didn't seem to want.

I wish you well, but this is one ship I simply refuse to sail on (In the same likes as Windows 8 and unity alas).

Re:Too late (1)

ekimd (968058) | about 2 years ago | (#43307815)

Hear, hear!

Re:Too late (5, Interesting)

emblemparade (774653) | about 2 years ago | (#43308117)

Same here. Xfce is mature, and everything just works. I don't have time to beta-test in my everyday work.

It's still impossible to do very essential things in GNOME Classic, such as moving the panels around or fully configuring them. So, in many ways GNOME 3 hasn't reached feature parity with GNOME 2 or Xfce.

That said, it's really nice to see GNOME listening to users. An especially important part of GNOME 3.8, in my view, is that more options were added to the settings rather than removing them. This shows that the team really is trying to stabilize the core before adding more features, which is really the right way to go about things. I think in a few years GNOME 3 will be a great desktop, suitable for various work styles.

Re:Too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307859)

I switched to Cinnamon and was ok until new laptop graphics driver crapped out, in that case Cinnamon reverts to Gnome2 for some reason, or simply refuses to work. Gnome fallback session on the other hand works. Moreover, they fixed bugs that originally plagued the fallback session. So i am back to gnome fallback, but it looks like they are going to beak it again....

Why does Cinnamon fall back to Gnome2 is beyond me. It gives impression of unreliable overly complex software. It has layers.... like Ogres.

Re:Too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307973)

I tried Cinnamon. It was absolute shit. Ended up using xmonad which once you get used to is actually quite good.

When? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307523)

... will it be available on Ubuntu?

Re:When? (1)

Sussurros (2457406) | about 2 years ago | (#43307889)

Who cares anymore? Gnome 3 could have special in a good way but instead it was special in an OMG way. They had a chance and blew it. If they had eaten their crow warm the situation could have been salvaged but now half their user base has abandoned them and the other half has become divided. It's going to be hard for them to maintain a critical mass in the long term.

Ubuntu has a similar problem but not so pronounced. I'm typing this on a Kubuntu computer and I have no complaints with it. I've tried Unity twice and rejected it both times, once because it was ugly and once because it was unusable. Ubuntu is bigger than Unity though while Gnome can't be bigger than Gnome.

Re:When? (2)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#43308297)

It's going to be hard for them to maintain a critical mass in the long term.

Gnome is no worse off today that KDE was after KDE 4. United Linux with the big pro KDE players was dead, KDE was a disaster or most distributions and even long term supporters like Mandrake were becoming supportive of Gnome. Gnome was the standard and KDE was grouped with XFCE and later LXDE as one of the 2nd string GUIs. They recovered.

idle curiosity (4, Interesting)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#43307535)

Personally, I wonder if there are any use metrics for Gnome3's default mode, vs running on fallback/classic.

Personally, I can't stand either Unity or Gnome3-standard modes. One of the first things I do with Ubuntu boxes is nuke LightDM and Unity from orbit, and replace them with something less resembling a botched ST:NG computer interface. I actually happen to LIKE menus. That Gnome has listened to the sound of angry feet stampeding to XCFE and KDE over the issue makes me happier, but still displeased over the "No, we don't do it that way anymore, nanaananananannaa" mantra they were using for so long previously.

Re:idle curiosity (2)

geek (5680) | about 2 years ago | (#43307627)

I tried 3.8 on Arch today. It was horrible until I started downloading extensions. Then is was tolerable. I still won't use it for the simple lack of minimize and maximize buttons. Back to KDE I guess. The Linux desktop is in serious need of an enema.

Re:idle curiosity (3, Informative)

jcupitt65 (68879) | about 2 years ago | (#43307655)

You can turn min and max back on with tweak-tool. You can also disable dynamic workspaces. Handy!

Old Version was just Better for PCs (2)

SpaceManFlip (2720507) | about 2 years ago | (#43307653)

I concur with your sentiment.
It is so frustrating to fire up a new install of "linux" and have all the important parts of the OS hidden away from access, requiring more than a couple of clicks to get to or even requiring you to open a Search Dialog and search for the app that you want.

UI designers should really take notice of the reception things like Windows 8 and Gnome 3 and Unity have been getting lately. Remember that most business is still done with a mouse and keyboard at least.

Re:idle curiosity (2)

julian67 (1022593) | about 2 years ago | (#43308133)

Hyperbole or what?

Since when it become necessary to express "remove" by saying "nuke from orbit"?

This kind of attention seeking exaggeration is much too common and the noise tends to mask less exciting but more rational opinions and observations, like mine for instance (he he he)

Anyway who installs a full Unity Ubuntu with the intention of immediately removing Unity? There are all those *buntu "dude I made this kewl theme" versions masquerading as distributions, anyone can use one of those instead. Do people really install something they already know they hate just to have an excuse to flap their jaws whining about it?

I'm neither a Gnome user nor an Ubuntu desktop user (prefer Debian Xfce on desktop and Ubuntu LTS on server) but I have tried Gnome 3. I'd say it is a very useable environment which presents a coherent alternative to the traditional models. I had read many terrible reviews and lots of same sounding opinions but when I tried it for myself for a few days I thought it was visually appealing and also let the user work very efficiently both with keyboard or mouse or both. The drawback for me is that the compositing is a performance hit (some obvious GUI latency and apps sometimes painfully slow to launch) on my Intel GPU netbook, so I'm still much better off with Xfce's more modest compositing.

The big desktops like Gnome, Unity and KDE always seem to be developed by and for people who have impressive hardware such as large dual monitors and powerful desktops with multi-core CPU and powerful graphics. There is little regard for those of us who run plain old dual cores or integrated GPU laptops, or (heaven forbid) single cores with integrated GPU. If the newer version is more useable for those of us oddballs who don't buy a new graphics card or laptop every year then I'll be interested to revisit it.

Re:idle curiosity (4, Interesting)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#43308247)

While definately hyperbole, I think it aptly sums up the "level" of dissatisfaction I have for Unity and Gnome3, and similar "oh look! Great big icons, and obfuscated indicators of what's actually installed, forcing you to grasp blindly with a search dialog!" UIs.

In other words, I have tried both, actually, earnestly, honestly tried them, and my passionate hatred of the paradigm they uphold only intensified the more I tried.

Not all UIs are for everyone. Insisting that I don't like it "because you haven't tried it yet", or "because it's different, and if you just used it you would come to like it" are strawmen. I have tried them, for a 2 month trial window. I hate them. End of story. I LIKE menus. I LIKE having the option of turning them on, because I find them useful. I LIKE not being ridiculed for doing so. It is NOT hard to understand.

As for why one would use a standard distro package and not a repacked themed hackjob? Really, do I actually need to answer that? Really? Ok, how about, "because the main distro has been vetted by more eyeballs, and has better user support by being more commonly used." Hmm? Maybe trying to get updated packages down the road is less of a headache with the main distribution pack? Naw.. that clearly isn't a good enough reason, I must totaly be an idiot instead.

Re:idle curiosity (1)

emblemparade (774653) | about 2 years ago | (#43308137)

Just want to point out that "fallback" does not exist anymore as a separate mode. Clutter (the window manager) will simply use the 2D LLVM pipe if 3D graphics are not available.

"GNOME Classic" is a "mode," meaning a pre-configured template for a desktop session. You can also create your own modes according to your tastes.

Gnome: While You Were Sleeping (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307613)

A non-Ubuntu distro with XFCE or an Openbox (Crunchbang Linux) environment keeps me hard and satisfied!

And as for KDE, I always feel like I have a beach ball in my rectum when using it. Fun for some, not for me.

Re:Gnome: While You Were Sleeping (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308153)

Guess what? Crunchbang is Ubuntu!

Libre as in We don't care what you think (5, Funny)

GovCheese (1062648) | about 2 years ago | (#43307621)

When I realized they took away my minimize button I damn sure needed some free beer

Re:Libre as in We don't care what you think (1)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308029)

You can right click on the top border of the window to minimize.

Re:Libre as in We don't care what you think (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308699)

And that's supposed to be logical and intuitive, how?

Re:Libre as in We don't care what you think (2)

epyT-R (613989) | about 2 years ago | (#43308795)

still more annoying than just having the button there. The justification for removing it was far weaker than the one for keeping it, especially considering it's a standard convention.

Re:Libre as in We don't care what you think (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308845)

Yes, I discovered this "feature" when testing out Gnome 3. Unfortunately there is nowhere to click to restore it after you do this, so the window is effectively gone for ever.

2013??? (3, Informative)

amginenigma (1495491) | about 2 years ago | (#43307623)

Wait, wait, wait... wait, just wait... I thought the world DIDN'T end in 2012 like those crazy Maya believers said. The gnome team listening to feedback... wow what's next, no wait don't tell me. Microsoft will realize the folly of Windowz 8 in time to 'add' a feature in Windowz 9 SP1 that'll make the IT industry happy again. There it is, you heard it first here kiddies!

Two Reviews Worth Reading (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307677)

Over at datamation.com they have two reviews worth reading. One general review on GNOME 3.8 [datamation.com] and a separate review on the all new GNOME Classic [datamation.com] .

Re:Two Reviews Worth Reading (4, Informative)

ssam (2723487) | about 2 years ago | (#43307725)

"In many fundamental features, GNOME Classic actually fails to match GNOME 2's standards. On closer examination, the panel proves to be unmovable and un-resizable. Nor has GNOME Classic followed Mate's lead and restored the ecosystem of applets, the small utilities that could do so much to customize a GNOME 2 desktop." -- datamation.com

So i'll be sticking with MATE (on fedora) and GNOME2 (gentoo stable) for atleast the next 6 months then :-)

Re:Two Reviews Worth Reading (1)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308043)

Why? Applets sucked. In the 10 years we had applets, there was hardly anything innovative coming out of it. It had a lot of problems. The extensions are going to be a lot more interesting as time goes on. Once the api stablizes, I can see some interesting stuff coming out of it.

Re:Two Reviews Worth Reading (3, Interesting)

jedidiah (1196) | about 2 years ago | (#43308311)

They may not be "innovative" enough but they are a hell of a lot more useful than all of the abortive attempts to ape MacOS.

"Innovative" != useful.

Re:Two Reviews Worth Reading (1)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308581)

Did you take a look of what kind of applets are out there? You probably are using maybe two tops and everything else is a rehash of the same 5-6 apps. Extensiosn are the new applets and they are a lot more powerful and you can change things quite extensively. You're looking at "innovation" as some kind of negative buzz word. The point here is that applets had limited functionality, had no documentation, and suffered from a number of technical faults that made programming them hard. GNOME isn't aping anybody. yes, there are some parallels because both are reading from the same design sources. But GNOME distinctively different in look and feel from every other desktop on there. That fact is apparent if you bothered to try using it for more than 1 day and actually attempted to work within the system. At least I can thank you for not calling it a tablet os.

Re:Two Reviews Worth Reading (1)

wordsnyc (956034) | about 2 years ago | (#43308145)

Thanks. I think the Gnome developers should get together for a group picture. They'd sell a million dartboards. I'm just gonna stick with MATE.

Too late (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307695)

Linux is pretty much shit out my ass at this point. Too many fuck ups.

Re:Too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307759)

i too felt much relief as as linux vacated itself from the bowels of myself and my computer

Again? (1)

Arkh89 (2870391) | about 2 years ago | (#43307795)

Oh no! Let's fork 3.7 and make sure that no one returns to the look'n'feel of the good old 2.x.

Reimplemented GNOME 2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307819)

It sounds as though the GNOME developers have re-implemented the GNOME 2 interface using GNOME 3 technology, which is pretty much what most people wanted to begin with. The only drawback is, judging from the article, is that the interface will look like GNOME 2 yet still requite 3-D video support, something which is still pretty hit-or-miss on Linux. I suspect most people will be better off using either Cinnamon or MATE.

Elementary OS... (1)

Lispy (136512) | about 2 years ago | (#43307835)

...no need for Gnome 3.8 now that Elementary OS is coming along so nicely. It tends to be forgotten around here as an alternative, so I thought I'd mention it.

Left buttons are iCopycats (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307863)

The jerk(s) that decided to copy Apple by putting the minimize, maximize, and lose buttons on the left--can go screw themselves.

Re:Left buttons are iCopycats (-1)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308053)

Man, that's a long time to be emo about something like this. That changed happened what? 12 years ago?

Keyboard layout switching still broken (5, Interesting)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#43307875)

They keep breaking keyboard switching every release. Here's the story in 3.6:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681685 [gnome.org]
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684210 [gnome.org]

(If you read the comments, you'll see the usual attitude of Gnome devs - bilingual users who actually use this functionality are telling them that it's been broken, while devs who don't really use it but own it reply by coming up with invented reasons as to why the new behavior is the right thing, and everyone else should just shut up and learn it.)

You'd think they would pay more attention to this area in the new release, but apparently they have emasculated [gnome.org] (the official press release calls it "simplified", in the usual Gnome bullshit-speak) it even further in 3.8, and there are bugs reported about erratic behavior of the new switcher. All that because XKB is, apparently, not good enough anymore.

With this kind of attitude towards their users (of which the above is but a single example), how come they still have any?

Nobody Cares about the Applications!? (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#43307935)

I hate gnome shell, but considering Gnome continues to be a great product, and moves forward. I just replace Gnome Shell with Cinnamon, and plan to continue to do so, considering the cripples "classic"(sic) mode.

...but seriously https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.8/more-apps.html.en [gnome.org] look at the applications those look like nice improvements, and look there is a weather application, they will be adding a stock application next. Holy Jesus on a donkey!!! is that a new note Application.

Seriously did nobody notice the replacement of Tomboy, my last dependency on mono...because its great. I've been waiting for an Android version for *forever*, but this http://worldofgnome.org/bijiben-or-just-gnome-notes/ [worldofgnome.org] looks like something I like more.

Re:Nobody Cares about the Applications!? (1)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308059)

You know there is 'gnote' which is a non-mono version of Tomboy, right?

Why would I choose Gnote (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#43308139)

You know there is 'gnote' which is a non-mono version of Tomboy, right?

I did know about gnote, but its only advantage would be not using Mono, in every other way its a disadvantage. Gnote is not standard; lags being tomboy development...and those things are more important to me than keeping Mono dependencies around. Hell I used to to love banshee before they tried to turn it from a music application to a Multimedia(sic) application, I've moved to Clementine since http://www.clementine-player.org/ [clementine-player.org] its wonderful. The reality is Bijiben(Gnome Notes) looks to have none of the disadvantages, and perhaps a few advantages over tomboy [removing Mono is a bonus].

Re:Why would I choose Gnote (1)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308513)

That's fine, use what you want of course. :-) I was just making sure you knew about it. I use gnote myself and it works pretty nicely for me. I don't mind mono myself. It's all good.

Re:Why would I choose Gnote (1)

JabberWokky (19442) | about 2 years ago | (#43308821)

If people are discussing options, I'll toss out Zim: a nice python GTK+ personal wiki with a simple basic interface and lots of plugins for features.

Gnome founder says desktop linux is dead (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43307939)


I guess this guy could be considered an expert on the subject!

No he is an self serving prick (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#43307999)


I guess this guy could be considered an expert on the subject!

He is only interested in presenting other peoples interest, in how it fills his own pockets, and there is nothing wrong with that. Rock stars do it all the time. Its just kind of ironic that he does this at a time when Linux is growing market share as a desktop, and Apple is devastated with 25% drop is desktop sales. This is him saying OOXML is superb http://blogs.kde.org/node/2985 [kde.org] , he is just that guy. I'm sorry is Mono project is looking dead in the water,; I notice Mono is being cut from the Gnome desktop. love the replacement for Tomboy :)

Want to know about Linux...ask me I use it everyday; Its the fasted growing desktop OS in the World.

Does the fallback pager include little previews? (4, Interesting)

caseih (160668) | about 2 years ago | (#43308005)

One of the things in Gnome 2 that I rely on every day is the fact that in the pager applet, I can see the outlines of the windows on that desktop, and if the app is big enough, it's icon. This is invaluable feedback to me. I can tell at a glance where things are if I should forget. I typically never alter my desktops use, but it's nice to be able to see this. Cinnamon fails completely in this regard. It's pager is nothing but a dark square to identify which desktop I'm on. It gives no feed back other than this and may as well be just a number, which the screen shot of the new classic mode appears to do.

If either Gnome classic or Cinnamon could do this one small thing, I'm ready to switch. Until then, It's still Mate for me. That and I really like the way I have compiz set up with Mate.

Re:Does the fallback pager include little previews (1, Flamebait)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308081)

Why don't you go to extensions.gnome.org and see if there is something suitable?

Re:Does the fallback pager include little previews (4, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | about 2 years ago | (#43308325)

Why should he have to go hunt for something that was a standard feature since about 1995?

Re:Does the fallback pager include little previews (0)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | about 2 years ago | (#43308595)

What you mean you've never gone out and download and installed a utility that was not part of the standard OS? There is no difference. Who cares if it is standard or not if you're able to modify the behavior to what you want? The end result should be that you're productive. Stop worrying about whether it's part of the OS or not. It's like complaining that you didn't get the most awesome car stereo in your new car and you had to go out and get an aftermarket.

Re:Does the fallback pager include little previews (1)

caseih (160668) | about 2 years ago | (#43308747)

What an idea! Of course I have already done that and didn't find anything. The search function didn't return anything, and I wasn't going to go through 37 pages manually. So I gave up. You talk as if you have some knowledge that I don't; perhaps you could enlighten me.

Re:Does the fallback pager include little previews (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308307)

Yes a good pager is the most important part of a real desktop. You can get something vaguely like that with shell extensions, but you really feel like fighting gnome shell rather than using it, it's so hard to configure it feels like a desktop from the 90s, I'm not even joking, with gnome 2 you could easily create panels, move them around to your liking. gnome shell is so hard to configure, with this weird website that you are almost forced to use to add extensions, see which ones are installed, or to configure them. To change _anything_ you have to find an extension, even to change the date format, and I actually couldn't find one that did what I want, is that so weird to want a date that include the month ? And is that so hard to let the user enter a date format ?
I'm still using the real classic mode of gnome 3, but with my next upgrade I'll finally leave gnome (been using it since before 1.0), maybe mate, maybe xfce, maybe enlightenment. But something with a good pager.
I use lots of desktops sorted in 3 columns, so that I can organize my windows spacially, that way I always remember were I put the window I want, and can switch to it in 1 very short click, there's no way I could do that with gnome shell (and I tried a lot of extensions a few months ago).

Fuck you gnome, and slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308287)

So, GNOME 3 is fundamentally flawed in the following ways:

ZERO thought given to usability or human interface issues (Really, seriously. GNOME2 ruled at this, GNOME3 has thrown it all out the window)
Unstable (It crashes on my every other week, requiring a restart of X
Non intuitive compared to every other desktop OS. Windows 7 is far, far superior to GNOME. And I'm a long time Linux user.
Too many completely useless/half baked ideas which do nothing to aide productivity.

The people who design GNOME suffer from the following problems:

They all use Apple Macs, and have a massive hard on for apple.
They all use iPads, and have another massive hard on for apple.
Most importantly, they don't *use* GNOME. They use OS X.
GNOME3 seems to be some kind of confused desktop targeting touch screens and not much else. Blind freddy can see GNOME3 is not designed for desktop computers.

So now the dimwits behind GNOME want to put in something that looks like GNOME2 but is actually GNOME3.

Listen, Miguel, and whoever-the-fuck-else is responsible for DESTROYING linux on the desktop, STOP. Just fucking stop it.

Drop GNOME3. EOL it.

Go back to before you forked GNOME3 and continue improving GNOME2.

And while you are at it, fuck off your shitty apple and lenovo laptops.

Buy a Dell Latitude. Install Linux. Hack on it. Stop being apple faggots and EAT YOUR OWN DOGFOOD EVERY DAY.


Re:Fuck you gnome, and slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308483)

Just install Mint XFCE and be happy.

Re:Fuck you gnome, and slashdot (0)

pallmall1 (882819) | about 2 years ago | (#43308909)

XFCE sucks on the desktop. No file manager worth a crap, and nobody's ever figured out a menu editor for it. It started as second rate, and still remains so.

Will Debian Wheezy be upgraded to Gnome 3.8 ? (1)

jcdr (178250) | about 2 years ago | (#43308703)

The chance seem to be very small, but without that Wheezy will look like a old duck with his Gnome 3.4 when it will be released.

I hope that the Debian team will be cleaver enough to understand the advantage of providing a good classic desktop experience for people that will upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy (I have tried Gnome 3.x and Unity and found them unproductive).

XFCE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43308879)

Huh, GNOME3 Classic looks a lot like XFCE. Good to see them catching up to a real desktop environment.

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