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What Keeps You On (or Off) Windows in 2013?

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the corporate-myopia-plays-a-part dept.

Operating Systems 1215

Five years ago today, reader J.J. Ramsey asked what's keeping you off Windows (itself a followup to this question about the opposite situation). With five years of development time gone by for Windows as well as all the alternative OSes, where does Windows stand for you today? (Is it the year of Linux on the Desktop yet?)

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because desktop linux is a toy and novelty (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948773)

For actual work and play I use windows. Everything works best on it.

Every now and then I boot into the latest linux distro currently in favor and give it a spin. And I've always ended up disappointed.

Re:because desktop linux is a toy and novelty (4, Insightful)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948955)

also, excel on windows is extraordinary useful if you're a power user. there's nothing like it on other platforms, and don't say excel for mac or even worse numbers for mac.

Re:because desktop linux is a toy and novelty (5, Insightful)

fisted (2295862) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948999)

Excel...the Windows killer-app.
You Sir^H^H^H"Power-User", made my day.

Re:because desktop linux is a toy and novelty (4, Insightful)

pla (258480) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949081)

Excel...the Windows killer-app. You Sir^H^H^H"Power-User", made my day.

Sorry that it hurts so much, but so, so true in the business world.

I love Linux. I use it for servers, I've rolled my own kernels, even my own embedded distros (and I mean back before Knoppix remastering made that trivially easy). But for day to day desktop use?

Quite simply, Linux sucks ass as a desktop OS. Some of that doesn't count as its own fault, but rather, that of a Windows-centric world. Others (like getting something as basic as sound to work reliably), I consider a major shortcoming. Either way, sorry, but I just can't call myself a desktop Linux user. And I say that as someone who would switch in a frickin' heartbeat if it really counted as a serious option.

For home use, I could probably get away with it. But at the office, no way in hell.

Re:because desktop linux is a toy and novelty (2)

symbolset (646467) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949095)

Clearly you haven't tried "Excel for supercomputers. [cnet.com]

Re:because desktop linux is a toy and novelty (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949013)

Personally I prefer to use Gnumeric on Linux than Excel in Windows. It seems a lot easier to use and doesn't require all those wizards Excel employs to be easy to use.

Re:because desktop linux is a toy and novelty (2)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949057)

what can excel do that libreoffice calc can't? answer that truthfully and sincerely and you may convert me. till then i refuse to pay for supposed extraordinary power user features that i can't find to take advantage of.

Re:because desktop linux is a toy and novelty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43949077)

what can excel do that libreoffice calc can't?

Pick your pocket?

Re:because desktop linux is a toy and novelty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43949063)

numbers is awful. it's fine for a very basic spreadsheet, but thats about it.

Keynote is fantastic however.

Re:because desktop linux is a toy and novelty (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948997)

Windows 2000 and Windows XP are rock solid and have software I want (or need) to use. What does linux bring to the table?

Note: I haven't used Windows 7 much and I haven't used vista or 8 at all so they may have fucked up.

Re:because desktop linux is a toy and novelty (1)

fredgiblet (1063752) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949051)

7 and 8 are significant improvements in functionality (though most of it's not noticeable to the majority of people). 8 has a learning curve, but once you learn it it's pretty good.

XP will be pwnt in April (5, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949099)

Windows 2000 and Windows XP are rock solid and have software I want (or need) to use. What does linux bring to the table?

Windows 2000 is already owned, and Windows XP reaches end of support 10 months from now, after which point computer criminals will discover a defect that can be used to compromise a computer remotely, Microsoft won't issue a patch, and nobody else is legally allowed to. What GNU/Linux* brings to the table is that because popular distributions are both freely licensed and available without charge (assuming unmetered Internet access), you keep getting OS upgrades that are about as easy to install as Windows service packs. Canonical, for example, brings out a new long-term supported (LTS) version of Ubuntu every two years, and the five-year support lifetimes of successive LTS releases overlap by three years. And even if Canonical were to stop distributing Ubuntu, you could switch to any other GNU/Linux distribution and keep running all your applications.

* As opposed to Android, which uses the same Linux kernel as GNU/Linux.

Re:because desktop linux is a toy and novelty (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949025)

Funnily enough, in science it's frequently the opposite. There's a ton of stuff I use every day that's so entrenched in POSIX that a port would never see the light of day—and the compatibility layers just don't complete the circuit. (For instance, the perl headers that ship with the Windows version of MATLAB are more complete in some cases than MinGW's.) Development on Windows itself is also something of a letdown compared to Eclipse CDT on Linux.

windows vm for tax software & work related mat (5, Insightful)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948777)

There is no serious personal tax software to run on GNU/Linux (or BSD), and many websites, systems management GUI and appliances still require IE to access. Hideous state of affairs, I hate it, but there it is.

Same Color - Same Smell! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948799)

The great thing about fucking an obese black woman? If she forgets to wipe her ass, you'll never be able to tell!

Re:Same Color - Same Smell! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948967)

lol too funny.

Taxes in the cloud (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948817)

Then move your tax software to The Cloud(tm) like I did, when I prepared my federal and state income tax returns for both 2012 and 2013 in H&R Block At Home in Firefox in Xubuntu.

Re:Taxes in the cloud (4, Funny)

Soylent Beige (34394) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948883)

Watch out. With the NSA and PRISM if you move your taxes to 'The Cloud' the government will have all of your data.

Re: Taxes in the cloud (2, Funny)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948915)

What the hell? Govt already has all your tax data and can force you to reveal as much as it wants.

Re: Taxes in the cloud (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948961)

Whoosh! And whoosh to your sibling posters, too.

Re:Taxes in the cloud (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948925)

Oh no! I'd hate if the government had access to my tax return forms.

Re: Taxes in the cloud (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948931)

They already do in the case of taxes. Just ask the IRS and they will send you a summary of all your info for any tax year even without you filing.

Re:Taxes in the cloud (1)

Shaman (1148) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948907)

This. Or NolaPro. Or KmyMoney. Or Gmoney. Or others.

Wait... what was the question again?

Quicken != TurboTax (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949007)

NolaPro. Or KmyMoney. Or Gmoney

These sound like alternatives to Quicken, not alternatives to TurboTax. Do they come with annual updates [pineight.com] to conform to annual changes to the U.S. federal tax code and the respective tax codes of the several states?

As I've said before, the year of the Linux desktop is the year all these get ported [slashdot.org] .

Re:Taxes in the cloud (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43949031)

federal and state income tax returns for both 2012 and 2013

Pedantic point of nomenclature: This was intended to refer to income during 2011 and income during 2012 respectively, correct?

Re:windows vm for tax software & work related (0)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948913)

I switched back to Windows as my main and Linux in a VM.

Windows does not suck like it once did. Even IE is tolerable and IE 10 is modern and I say on par with Chrome and Firefox for the first time since 2001 is competitive. ... for course if those crappy gui intranets probably wont work with IE 10 as they were written when IE 6 was the standard and W3C was broken in the eyes of I.T.

Linux just seems like a poor desktop OS that just works.

Re:windows vm for tax software & work related (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949089)

when IE 6 was the standard and W3C was broken in the eyes of I.T.

i realize with your username you have to praise everything microsoft, but surely that was a joke right?

Re:windows vm for tax software & work related (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948991)

If your tax software won't run in Wine then it's probably time to get some better software. I can do my taxes online in TurboTax (and not on the cloud) so I don't see why this is such a challenge.

Apps (5, Insightful)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948781)

I know w/ Windows any new app or game comes out and it WILL be released for it. Yeah, maybe your favorite game is available on another platform, but what happens when you get bored w/ it?

Re:Apps (1)

GoodnaGuy (1861652) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948949)

The main deciding factor for me is wether the app I want to run is available for the operating system in question. With windows the answer to that question is nearly always yes. Dont care too much about the underlying mechanics of the os. In the past I have been mainly a games developer and as nearly all game develpment systems are built round windows, I had to use that.

yes, year of linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948783)

Linux Mint makes it tasty to stay off windows.

"Is it the year of Linux on the Desktop yet?" (4, Funny)

lesincompetent (2836253) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948785)

If i hear that question again i'm gonna start swimming head first in concrete.

Re:"Is it the year of Linux on the Desktop yet?" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948863)

Is it the year of Linux on the Desktop yet?

Re:"Is it the year of Linux on the Desktop yet?" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948877)

Well, people with hipster glasses just learned about Linux a couple of years ago. They thought they were the cool kids on the block when they told their friends they were using it.

Windows (2)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948797)

Is a necessary evil because I need or want to run certain software which won't run on Linux, or customers expect they will be able to use the software I write in a Windows environment.

Otherwise it could shrivel up and blow away and I'd be happy to see it go.

Unusual software and hardware (1)

Narrowband (2602733) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949065)

Along similar lines, if you're dependent on a handful of apps most people have never heard of, because they drive something specific (like scientific equipment, or in my case, telescopes and cameras for amateur astrophotography) your chances of moving to Linux are poor. There's a lot of good open source effort devoted to making equivalents for things most people need, but when there aren't that many users, the community of potential open source developers is small.

My own list of boat anchors keeping me in the Windows pool includes MaximDL, PHD Guiding, PemPRO, FocusMax, and a bunch of drivers for things like telescope mounts, focusers, a CCD camera, etc.

And yes, there's virtualization, and such, but some of these programs and pieces of equipment are finicky enough to get to work together to start with, without that added level of complexity.

Year of Linux is Finally Here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948807)

Linux Mint makes it tasty to stay off windows and super easy to use.

Work is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948809)

Almost 10 years by the way. What's pretty much keeping on Windows is work. I work is IT, and yea, I do use Linux as my main OS, I do occasionally need windows for a few things. Like testing software and the likes.

I like Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948811)

For me, it has to be the games. Now, I have no intention of "upgrading" to Win8, but I'll stay on Win7 pretty much until I can't any longer. I like the OS, I know how to do anything I could want to do with it. I do have other OS's in the house performing specific tasks, but for general purpose computing and especially for gaming, Win7 is tops.

Fedora works for me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948815)

No fuss . No Anti Virus
No bull. No Monkey Boy Either.
NO Gates. or Ballmer.
Just works all the time.

First post on Windows (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948821)

Because I can type first post based on the Windows keyboard!

Re:First post on Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948933)

And the predictable windows result is you end up being nowhere near first post.

Windows problems (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948825)

Off the top of my head:
1. Windows has a terrible interface, both Windows 7 and 8 have ugly, inflexible displays.
2. Windows still doesn't have proper package management. Which leads to...
3. With Windows every app has its own update process that takes up resources and nag the user.
4. Malware and adware is thick on Windows.
5. Windows doesn't come bundled with common tools I use, such as a compiler, OpenSSH, productivity suite, etc.
6. Windows seems to need to reboot almost constantly and takes a long time to apply updates.
7. Windows is expensive compared to most other operating systems.
8. Release/upgrade cycles are not at fixed/predictable times.
9. Windows lacks containers/jails.
10. Windows lacks a good, advanced file system like ZFS.
11. Windows has poor driver support, requiring hardware be bundled with driver discs that take a long time to load and include apps that nag the user.
12. I can't hack on the Windows source code.

So there's a dozen reasons, take your favourite.

Re:Windows problems (5, Insightful)

avxo (861854) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949037)

I know that these are your specific complaints against Windows, and that's fine, but I am going to piggyback on this to talk more generally since most of your complaints are fairly generic or can be generalized.

1. Windows has a terrible interface, both Windows 7 and 8 have ugly, inflexible displays.

"ugly" is in the eye of the beholder - frankly, I find KDE and Gnome to be ugly (especially the font rendering... shit, it's 2013, can't you figure out how to render fonts yet?) As far as flexibility, Windows is a lot more flexible that any Linux I've tried when it comes to multi-monitor setups without me having to muck with configs. And my settings don't randomly get lost.

2. Windows still doesn't have proper package management. Which leads to... 3. With Windows every app has its own update process that takes up resources and nag the user.

No doubt. It's a serious issue. However, can you imagine hell that everyone would raise if Microsoft wanted to offer such a service? They catch flak for almost everything they do.

4. Malware and adware is thick on Windows.

Windows 7 has made tremendous strides forward when it comes to security. I'm no Microsoft apologist, but when they try to improve things three things bite them in the ass: (a) backwards compatibility (aka "my Windows 95 program can't do X! Why doesn't it work, stupid Microsoft!"); (b) users who insist on running with elevated privileges. (c) complaints when good stuff gets implemented (such as PatchGuard, which antivirus vendors went crazy about).

5. Windows doesn't come bundled with common tools I use, such as a compiler, OpenSSH, productivity suite, etc.

And cars don't come bundled with gasoline. And houses don't come bundled with furniture. And groceries don't come bundled with chefs. You are seriously complaining because Windows doesn't come bundled with stuff? And wasn't bundling stuff what got Microsoft into trouble before?

9. Windows lacks containers/jails.

"The esoteric feature that I want is missing. It serves no practical purpose and isn't needed in the product's target market, but I want it. And it's not there. Why is it not there!?!?"

10. Windows lacks a good, advanced file system like ZFS.

NTFS is a pretty decent filesystem. It doesn't have flashy features and it's not hip, but it gets the job done, it's reliable and you know what... those are the two primary considerations for a filesystem. At least for most people.

11. Windows has poor driver support, requiring hardware be bundled with driver discs that take a long time to load and include apps that nag the user.

You're joking, right? Windows hardware support is excellent and it comes bundled with not only a boatload of drivers, but offers a way of automatically downloading and installing drivers for new devices. Don't blame Windows if some vendors don't want to allow Microsoft to ship drivers, or if their hardware requires a super-special driver to set a hardware register to the length of the lead hardware engineers penis before it will work. As for the driver discs, you'll find that they almost always bundled with crap - the vendor's "custom" scan toolkit, a copy of Acrobat, a manual in PDF form, etc.

12. I can't hack on the Windows source code.

Don't take this personally, but your programming skills almost certainly make that a good thing. And let's be realistic - for the overwhelming majority of computer users, the computer is an appliance. They don't need or want to know how it works. They just want it to work. So you can imagine how they feel about "hacking source code."

Re:Windows problems (2)

fredgiblet (1063752) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949087)

You're joking, right? Windows hardware support is excellent and it comes bundled with not only a boatload of drivers, but offers a way of automatically downloading and installing drivers for new devices. Don't blame Windows if some vendors don't want to allow Microsoft to ship drivers, or if their hardware requires a super-special driver to set a hardware register to the length of the lead hardware engineers penis before it will work. As for the driver discs, you'll find that they almost always bundled with crap - the vendor's "custom" scan toolkit, a copy of Acrobat, a manual in PDF form, etc.

12. I can't hack on the Windows source code.

He's most likely not used Windows since 7 came out, pre-7 driver support from Windows update was questionable, now you can get almost any driver you need automatically (as long as you have your network driver) but in the XP and earlier days it was...not so good.

Re:Windows problems (0)

fisted (2295862) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949041)

Yeah, pretty much all of this. Would mod you up if /. wasn't all like "You cannot moderate a thread that you've commented in"

Gaming console (5, Insightful)

devent (1627873) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948845)

For me Windows is just a gaming console for my computer. All my work I do from Linux and hibernate to switch to Windows to start a game, and then switch to Linux again do to web surfing and work. I guess I could try and install some games with Wine but since Windows comes pre-installed I can use it for the games.

I'm using Fedora Linux with KDE. Works extremely well. I use LibreOffice, Java development in Eclipse, Firefox, Skype, TeamViewer, and Latex for documents, letters and presentations.

For me Windows is just a toy system that is only good to start my games, since the AAA games don't target Linux. Lets see maybe it will change with Steam for Linux.

Re:Gaming console (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948959)

I was perfectly happy to continue using Windows 7 and Fedora in the same manner, up until I upgraded to a Windows 8 PC with a half-assed implementation of legacy boot. All of a sudden, the 64 bit OS that booted without a care in the world on my Intel Core Duo system was just giving me a blank prompt at boot on my brand new i3 based system... In fact the only things that would reliably boot on it were Windows 7 and Windows 8, at which point I brought the thing back and built a custom PC from parts off Newegg.

I'm perfectly happy to use Windows, but how -I- want to use it. It seems that Microsoft's policy for both Windows and the Xbox One are to tell us how we want it, then give it to us whether we want it or not. I don't know about you but any company that demands I pay them hundreds of dollars to be treated like a prisoner deserves neither my money nor respect, so I suppose what's keeping me off Windows is Microsoft.

Their loss?

Re:Gaming console (1)

sandytaru (1158959) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948965)

Same for me. The games I want to play either won't run on Linux, or require a lot of jury-rigging with WINE to get to work. I'm really lazy and just use Windows as my primary OS for everything on my main desktop, and keep my Linux experiments on other systems.

Re:Gaming console (1)

Fishchip (1203964) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949019)

Same. I can't get World of Tanks going nicely on Linux (I blame ATI drivers) and I'm not into rebooting every time I want to game.

Re:Gaming console (2)

fisted (2295862) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949055)

> "Same for me"
Did you even read the post you're replying to?

Hardware support, handwriting recognition, apps (1)

WillAdams (45638) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948849)

I've been a believer in pen computing since reading Niven & Pournelle's _The Mote in God's Eye_.

  Had an NCR-3125 running PenPoint. Using a Fujitsu Stylistic.

  Can't find replacements for:

  ArtRage
  Autodesk Sketchbook
  Macromedia Freehand
  Creaturehouse Expression
  Futurewave Smartsketch
  Lotus Improv
  Windows Journal

Not on it or off it ... (5, Insightful)

MacTO (1161105) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948855)

I try to keep up to date with the three major desktop operating systems. Flexibility in skills (and philosophy) is a pretty good way to remain adaptable to future trends in technology. That, and each platform is interesting and useful in their own way.

Re:Not on it or off it ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948893)

Come on man, that isn't a very Slashdoty answer. We need divisiveness, not reason or calm!

windows 7 (3, Interesting)

superwiz (655733) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948857)

windows 7 is just plain awesome. It's actually quite ridiculous how good UI is. It lacks in the flexibility of the underlying system objects, but it's not what I want from my Desktop. I want to get me to where I need to be while using the desktop... not while typing. I have other tools for massive text processing and low-level data processing. The desktop has to to just do things and never break. Windows 7 is beautiful at it.

I hate windows. and microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948867)

Isn't that good enough reasons?

black box of shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948875)

Approximately 50 million lines of shit code, is what.

It works (5, Interesting)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948881)

I created this name 12 years ago because I was young, immature, and hated Microsoft with a passion.
(typical slashdotter at the time in 1999)

Windows crashed and DOS was horrible though slashdot had its loyalists I should not by 1993 create autoexec.bat files for Monkey Island and another to play Doom because of expanded vs extended memory?? WTF this is a 486 not a 8086?!

Around the time they were asked 10 years ago on what kept me off Windows questions

I tried Linux then and fell in love with the aspects of free software, tons of apps on cd (I was on dialup then), I did not have to pay $$$$ for compilers for game development, could get any gui I wanted, I could get paid a shit load of money if I had Unix on my resume.

I fell in love with FreeBSD. It was stable, never changed, just worked, unless I did something stupid to it. I started disliking Linux. It was beta quality and kept crashing compared to FreeBSD and Solaris. I felt it was the Windows version of Linux where crapware and hardware are thrown on it and it is not tested well.

I took a java programming course and gave up on FreeBSD as I needed Java 5 in 2004. I reluctantly started using XP.
Why in 2013 I stick with Windows

It works and no longer blows and sucks. For the slashdotters who have ran Linux for 10 years you have to ask yourself if your memories of IE 6 and WindowsME still apply today?

Windows 7 is stable, IE 10 is a modern browser and has 90% of Firefox's HTML 5 features, Office has its issues but it still is professional, and Adobe products are nice to have but they also exist on the Mac as well. Windows Server 2012 is ok. It is finally catching up and is finally VM ready.

Linux never just works and has problems with updates with my ATI and AMD hardware due to the lack of a stable ABI. It doesn't have Microsoft Office. Java is butt ugly as the fonts are broken in Debian/Ubuntu distros as the bug is 6 years old now! WTF. FreeBSD is out of the question today as 5.x and 6.x were horrible! I stuck with the 4.x all the way until 4.12 which was now quite stale by 2005.

My exwife asked me (no not flamebait moderators but her real opinion and words) why I use such an inferior system? My response was WTF Windows sucks, Windows blows, Windows is unstable, and went on and on. Her response was well you are the one who always has to reinstall your operating system. My Vista just works? Whose is better now?

She is right. World of Warcraft was a pain with Wine, then I had to get Ventrillo to work, and then Office. In the end it just is not worth it.

I keep CentOS around in virtualbox and VMWare. It rocks as a server

In 2011 after gnome 3 I gave up. Sorry guys. I put Windows 7 on and it just works. I have reinstalled it a few times but that is it. Compared to Windows 3.1 it is certainly tolerable.

No POSIX support (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948887)

Microsoft's support for POSIX has been historically flakey at best. With Windows 8, it's nonexistence.

Here is my list (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948889)

Visual Studio - Anything else is a PAIN!!!! Development under Linux is horrific...GNU DEBUGGERYOUUPTHEARSE. Fuck that shit!!!! Windows provides meaningful errors not "segment fault", consistant libraries and you don't need bolt on your GUI from a toolkit. Most importantly, everything is designed to work together and pass information in a robust and consistant manner. Linux has thousands of devs and no one to crack the whip to make things work seamlessly, consistently and most importantly...simply.

Linux is an exercise in how to overcomplicate things and completely ignore the market audience...the end user. Until Linux gets business sense, it will never gain solid traction as a desktop PC. It will be restricted to places no one can see it ugly mug.

If I were to offer one piece of advice to Linux...it would be to think of your target audience as a hamster and design accordingly. Also, even for those with technical backgrounds, I for one don't want to fuck around with my machine all day, I want to use it.

The corporate overlords mandate Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948897)

At work: The corporate overlords keep me on Windows. I'd be able to do my job better in Debian. All our schematic entry tools and embedded IDEs (IAR especially) are available for Linux.

At home: Windows's proprietary-ness keeps me off Windows. Linux's freedom keeps me on Debian.

Debian is designed to serve the user, while Windows is designed to serve Microsoft. Windows has product activation and DRM integrated into the kernel, while Debian has DRM circumvention to respect user freedoms. Windows is locked to the Metro interface, and requires purchasing third-party software to add a more useful interface (you still can't uninstall Metro). Debian has Gnome 3, which is just as ugly, but you can choose among that, XFCE, LXDE, build-your-own with plain metacity, or the plain monochrome command line interface. Windows has kernel patch protection, to prevent you from adequately using your own software, while Debian allows you to compile your own kernel.

adobe and games (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948899)

other than that, i'd be happy with linux (with the cinnamon desktop)

and the way adobe is acting at the moment, i'd be happy for some people to break in, steal their source and release a free version. i work in an educational institution, i've no f*cking idea wtf im going to be installing/supporting next academic year yet. and last year was sh*t, for the first time in years we had many computers drop out of adobe authenication, prompting many licesnce reinstalls.

MS Access (4, Informative)

maz2331 (1104901) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948903)

I have about 100k lines of VBA code in Access that would be downright painful to rewrite in .NET, and completely unwritable on any *Nix platform.

Linux for years (4, Interesting)

Jonathan P. Bennett (2872425) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948917)

I've run Linux since college. I dual booted Fedora Linux (it was Fedora core back then) and Windows xp on my Laptop. I was in the habit of reinstalling windows xp every 6 months. After one such install, I went to my C: drive to tweak something, and the files were hidden with the message that it was dangerous to change any files. I suddenly realized that message encapsulated everything I disliked about Windows. My computer was telling me I wasn't to be trusted with anything under the hood. I wiped out that windows install and have exclusively run Linux on my main machine ever since. Now I actually have control over my computer and what runs on it. It's also more usable than a Windows machine for IT and server administration. My two disappointments are that one: I am still running the proprietary video card drivers (though with the upcoming Fedora release, I'll probably run with the foss drivers), and two: Coreboot doesn't yet work with my mobo and processor combination.

why not? (4, Insightful)

DogDude (805747) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948919)

A more appropriate question would be: why wouldn't I use Windows? Works great for both my business and personal stuff. No reason to spend a ton of money on Apple stuff, and no reason to spend tons of time with *nix stuff.

Windows 8 or just Windows in general? (1)

kimgkimg (957949) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948927)

I bought a laptop and a desktop this year to get off of Windows XP and purposely avoid Windows 8. H8 Win8...

mac os to much hardware lockdown with high prices (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948929)

mac os to much hardware lockdown with high prices and limited choice.

why no $1000-$1500 desktop that has desktop video cards, RAM and cpus? at least 2 HDD bays?

Why is AMD cpus need a custom kernel? Linux and windows don't do that.

Re:mac os to much hardware lockdown with high pric (0)

Nutria (679911) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949015)

Your grammar stinks, and makes your post unintelligible. By your handle I can't tell whether you're stupid or English isn't your native tongue (or both).

What keeps me off Windows? Apple and Microsoft! (1, Interesting)

theatrecade (1080063) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948935)

I always been a fan of many oses including windows. it just seems microsoft hasn't given me enough...fast enough and what they give me gets in my way. I love linux/unix/gnu/bsd/ect for a good many year since i was handed a copy of slackware 2.something and told this is the future of computing (in truth it was at the time) but it still a little geek for most of computing kind. Apple (current desktop) used to be called the "awful macintrash" but now that it has incorporated my love of *xin/bsd/ect's and a interface that honestly hasn't changed majorly over it's life. Intel based machines, power and sophistication, flexibility, open source-i-ness, has kept me from the windows side of computing for a while. I don't even like troubleshooting a windows machine anymore. If Microsoft would start from scratch and rebuild windows on a more secure level and ideals i would give it a shot. I would love to feel at home again in a Microsoft enviroment but they seem to make it impossible to find stuff, and keep a status flow. For me the removal of the start button was a prime example of what i don't like about windows and microsoft's enviroment changes... as long as i can remember the apple in the left hand corner has been a fixture in mac os since mac os.

Been off windows for 11 years (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948937)

It has nothing I want or need.
The only remaining problem is listening to other peoples windows problems.

video games and stability (1)

watermark (913726) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948941)

Windows still just works. I've tried really hard to make the switch and can't.

Steam (or video card drivers?) still isn't good enough to get me to make the switch. I have a pretty recent AMD card that gets around 300fps on Windows with the recommended settings. The radeon xorg driver gets 30-40fps with terrible jitter and fglrx has too many bugs in general to make much use of. I've done a lot of searching and tried many things, nothing helped much.

I have wireless usb headphones and, for some reason, they really only work well in Ubuntu with Unity. As much as I hate Unity (it's un-user friendly, buggy mess), it's the only DE that allows me to easily select that output and has support for the volume wheel on the headset. I've tried several of the popular distros and DEs. As an example, the volume wheel works in Mageia, but it kicks me out of full screen mode. I can't even select the headset output through other DE's like Cinnamon or MATE.

Windows 7 is good and I'm having no problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948945)

So basically the same stuff that kept me on the previous iterations (besides Vista, which I only had on my laptop as a stock OS and was too lazy to replace with anything else).

Linux has too many distributions (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948947)

Linux has too choice in ways that should be like do I really need 6 text editors as part of the base os?

Also make so you move a little slower then distribution X 2012 2012.5 2013 with out a seamless update system.

Re:Linux has too many distributions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43949101)

I can't tell if you're being serious or just trolling. Windows has just as much choice. So does OSX. You can also use long-term support releases so you don't have updates as frequently.

Did you even try to figure out the basics of Linux, or are you just asking people to do everything for you? Jeez, I don't even like Linux and I'm pissed off with your statements.

See why 2014 won't be like 1984. (3, Insightful)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948951)

What keeps me on Windows is the same thing that made me switch from Mac 20 years ago -- games. Both could surf. Both had Word and Excel. Both had C programming IDEs.

What keeps me now? Nothing. Windows is where the Mac was then. The Mac got games that were PC ports, and only the most popular at that.

Here, Windows now gets the ports rather than native games, and console-oriented games at that. Very few powers, and frequently you must choose an even smaller subset to be active at that. So screw it.

I'd rather play simple stuff for smartphones and tablets than the MMORPGs of the past 3 years.

So nothing holds me to Windows except inertia. My next will probably be an Android tablet with bigger screen and mouse and keyboard, if such a thing can be configured, sitting on my sofa with everyone else on the planet simultaneously watching TV.

And MS, like Big Blue before it, can see why 2014 won't be like 1984.

lots of laptops have windows only drivers for some (3, Insightful)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948953)

lots of laptops have windows only drivers for some of there parts / chips used.

Viruses drove me from Win7 to Linux (3, Interesting)

MarioMax (907837) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948963)

I'm not gonna pretend that viruses and malware don't exist on Linux. They do.

However the final straw that drove me to Linux over Windows 7 was a very, very nasty Java virus that managed to disable my antivirus program outright, disable my administrator account's admin privs, and even manage to corrupt some core DLLs required to boot Windows. At that point, I literally said "fuck it" and downloaded the then-current version of Linux Mint and gave it a whirl (after a few months I settled into Arch Linux and never looked back).

Also, I realized that I only really needed Windows 7 to play games, and I just don't have as much time for games as I used to. I still keep it around on a separate hard drive, ready to boot into at any time, but it is no longer my primary OS.

Mixed bag for me (0)

storkus (179708) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948969)

Why I stay off windows whenever possible:

1. The Evil Empire: no matter how much money Gates & Co give away, I never forget where (and, more importantly, how) he got it in the first place. Also, how they continue to compete with Apple and Oracle for the title of Most Evil (Tech) Company. (Almost forgot about Monsanto there...)

2. FOSS is far more secure, especially from spyware and such. I don't access my bank account, for example, from anywhere other than my computer sporting Slackware that I know personally to be clean.

3. It also follows the Golden Rules: "treat others as you want to be treated" and "share and share alike".

4. I can afford it!

Why I must use winblows at times:

1. Certain proprietary software that will not run on anything but winblows, usually because of DRM, but occasionally due to lack of a driver in Linux/BSD. For me personally this is some games or my radio programming software (http://www.rtsystemsinc.com which is surprisingly DRM'd to the point Wine/Crossover won't run it--and the author has stated to me over the phone that he doesn't care about anything other than windows).

2. The company that I, er, the franchise I work for, works for, decided to become a M$ $hop, forcing us to use their proprietary software that breaks all the time and runs as an Active-X app! Curious thing, though: I'm convinced, now, that the backend may be an IBM CICS system. Weird.

3. Trying to teach my non-tech family (particularly my technophobic parents--my dad STILL doesn't have an ATM card!) is an exercise in futility. Only a few years ago did he finally get a laptop because he has to do certain transactions (some commercial taxes, etc) online. I just broke down, let them use winblows, and hope for the best--they never listen to me anyway.

Not a daily Windows user anymore. (1)

Sable Drakon (831800) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948971)

For me, Windows is nothing more than a gaming platform now. I transitioned over to Ubuntu soon after the release of Windows 8 for daily operations, but keep a Win7 based gaming machine. Win8 was the catalyst, as I didn't want to put up with Microsoft's Metro interface on a 15" or 17" display. I don't need a 15" smartphone on my desktop, I need a usable desktop. The fact that so much of the software I use already was cross-platform (Win/Linux) aided the transition. I was comfortable with the whole system within 5 hours, and had Unity tuned to my needs within 5 minutes. I may not even be using Windows for gaming too much longer if Valve's forays into improving gaming on Linux continue and other developers see that there is a market to be had there. Dispite it's popularity, Windows has gone and made itself irrelevant in my life. For me, this is the year of the Linux Desktop.

Been Windows-free at home for a couple years (1)

sidthegeek (626567) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948973)

Installed Arch in 2011 at an installfest. Wiped the preinstalled Windows 7 partition a few months later. Never looked back.

Linux does everything I need it to do, and it's so damn flexible and customizable. Not to mention FAST. Boot and shutdown times are 1/3 of what they were on Windows.

Installed Lubuntu on the family computer. No one has any complaints about it. It does lag sometimes, but that's the fault of the shitty P4 it's running on.

A host of things (4, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948977)

In rough order of importance:

1) Games. I am a gamer, I'd rather play video games than watch TV for entertainment. I also find that the games I like the best are either PC only (like Civ), or better on the PC (like Skyrim). So a PC it is. Well, Windows is far and away the best for games. Any other platform has way, WAY less games. So all other things equal, I'd be on Windows just for that.

2) Pro Audio. I like to play with audio creation and production. This is something I could do on a Mac, though not with my prefered tool (Cakewalk Sonar). I couldn't do it on Linux though, the audio production software there is abysmal, and even if it wasn't all the samples I own are Windows and Mac only, and I do not wish to rebuy them, nor have I found any for Linux remotely close in quality.

3) Price. This relates only to switching to a Mac, but to get what I want, that being a tower unit with some good hardware, it would be monkey-fuck retarded expensive compared to PC hardware. I am not a rich man, so while I'll spend a good bit on computers, I can't afford to just blow money for no reason.

4) Hardware support. Linux in particular has issues with much of the hardware I choose to use. I really don't feel like compromising on that, I don't want to have to say "Man I'd like to use that, but it won't work on my OS." Thus far, no piece of hardware I've want has not had Windows support.

5) Ease of use. Perhaps it is just my lack of familiarity with it, or my somewhat odd requirements for use (like pro audio and good 3D acceleration) but I seem to be able to find an unsolvable problem in Linux rather quickly. When I've tried to use it at work I'll find something I can't get to work that even stumps the Linux guys. I feel like I have to fight with the OS to get it to do things, and often the solution is "Oh just write a script," or "Just modify the code and recompile," which isn't an option. I'm not a programmer and have no wish to become one.

6) It works. I'm not big on change for change sake. Were I to move to another platform, someone would have to convince me of the superiority. They'd have to show me what it is I could do there I can't do now, or how I could do what I do better. Even if it is just equal, I've little interest in changing.

That's my reasons at home. At work, well I'm the Windows lead, so of course I use Windows. I need to be familiar with it and be able to easily administer the Windows servers because that's what I'm expected to do.

Too used to GNU/Linux to switch (4, Interesting)

xiando (770382) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948983)

I've heard this Windows thing has become better, much much better, since Windows 95. I've seen it on other peoples computer and it looks real nice. What's keeping me off trying this Windows thing is that I'm really happy with my computer as it is, I have the software I need and it's stable and I get what I need to get done. I've also got the impression that this Windows this is very limited when it comes to the command line (which I use all the time), multiple virtual desktops, good editors and so on. But I may be wrong, all these things and more may exist in the Windows world - I haven't really paid much attention to what's going on there, but I do have the impression that Windows has become a lot better since I switched.

No compelling reason to switch back (0)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948985)

If I had to make a list of reasons I don't like Windows it would be very short as it has been so long since I used it as my primary OS. But some of the reasons that I remember leaving for would be:
Microsoft almost always accusing my legitimate versions of windows of not being Genuine.
There being 800 different versions of the OS (Home, Cottage, Small business, Business, Cottage Pro, Professional Pro, Pro Ultimate, etc)
It crashing once or twice a day (I C++ program so my code was no doubt a contributing factor but it shouldn't bring down the OS, plus the same crappy code doesn't upset my present OS).
A virus a day keeps my sanity away. And then the required AV software was just as bad as the viruses they supposedly fought. Although I did like NOD32 just before I left.
All the coolest stuff worked better with other OS such as Linux, Mac, and BSD. Libraries such as OpenCV in its early days things like Python Libraries.
Plus all the cool kids were (and still are) using other OSs. By cool kids I don't mean people using computers as fashion accessories but people working in the best universities on things such as ML, Robotics, and computer vision.

But what flipped my switch away from MS was that I didn't need it anymore. All the software I usually ran was available elsewhere and the software I wanted to run and either couldn't or had trouble with was also elsewhere. So bye bye MS. I did miss Visual Studio somewhat.

So at this point let's assume that Windows is exactly as good as what I am using now. Why would I bother switch? I can certainly say that there is nothing that I have to have that is only available on Windows. I can say that Windows would slow down my development process. The very very few things that I need I run in an old copy of Windows XP that I have tucked away in a VM.

The last two bits of software that MS made that got me excited were Visual Studio 1.0 (bye bye Borland C++) and then the early days of .net were exciting. When was that 2000? So nothing in 13 years. Not one thing.

14 years and running (1)

FalMunir (2744313) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948987)

Switched from Windows to Linux in 1999. Never looked back. Have been running several companies since then, cooperating happily with scores of customers in many areas. Never any real issues with file formats or the like. Run as many programs on the command line or in (n)curses as I can. Extremely efficient setup - I am stuck with Linux due to efficiency.

because I have to (1)

brickmack (2537604) | about a year and a half ago | (#43948989)

Unfortunately, Adobe's software, as well as sketchup, don't work in Linux. I'd use a Mac, but that's just about the only thing I hate more than windows. So until Adobe and Trimble make Linux versions of their software, or a usable Linux alternative is created, Im stick with Windows. But I spend literally every second hating it. It's an awful OS.

Non uber-geek response (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43948993)

Linux is too hard, period! iOS and Android are limiting. OSX is expensive and more limited than Windows.

Windows is still the sweet spot. Everything works on it, it's not outrageously expensive and works with legacy sw.

Desktop Linux Has Gotten So Good (1)

RudyHartmann (1032120) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949001)

I have a dual boot on some of my machines using Windows 7 and OpenSuse 12.3. Most of them just run OpenSuse Linux though. I really like Mint too, but my preferred UI is KDE. I only boot Windows now when I have to. I have mostly had an uneasy relationship with Microsoft for years. I kept spending and upgrading the OS, the utilities and other add-ons. I was convinced I needed to stay with Windows. But after being asked to help my friends, family and colleagues with their trashed Windows installations, I decided to tell them I would only help them if I could install Linux. First of all, everybody wants a copy of my damn software. I fricken paid for it and it was getting old and annoying with all the friends, family and colleagues that were asking me to give them the copies I paid for. My reply to a plea for help has been, call the local computer guy and give him your card number or agree to trying Linux. The first reason to install Linux for them is that it is legal and doesn't affect my licenses. Second, it is FREE and that was hard for them to argue with. Third, doing a full Linux install to a fraction of the time that a Windows install too. My kid's behavior online kept pounding their Windows installations. They didn't obey my rules for the Internet. But they needed it for school work too. Fine, now their installations don't break and even if they did, it would be free and less timely to fix. Another benefit is my kids are now grown and the Linux experience I forced on them, has enhanced their career opportunities and resumes. At the office I replaced the server and workstation OS's and everything still runs great. My computers also are easier to deal with. Linux uses all human readable config files. I don't like regedit or "win.ini" edits. Yes, there still are some decent Windows products. But the reason to use them is because others annoy you to keep them in the fold and you aren't motivated enough to try something else yourself. Microsoft will always be with us and a force to be aware of, but they're relevance is in decline. They might have their "Coca Cola" moment with Windows 8 and 8.1, but the horses have already left the barn. Most young people use mobile phones more so than anything else. They will be more familiar with a UI like that at the desktop at work, and so will their eyes when they age. None of them are using Windows on phones. Of all the people I have helped, only 2 have gone back to Windows. Some that have bought new computers with Windows 8 have begged me to come over again and get rid of it. The handwriting is on the wall.

What keeps me on Windows ? (1)

Lisias (447563) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949021)

My boss!! :-D

But it appears that for little time, I hope. The support guys are asking about what Linux distro I would like to use to host our VM's that are used for software development (we develop products that runs on Oracle, for SQL Server, and it's easier to setup dedicated development environments using VMs!).

It's almost three years since I used Windows for something but playing media and games: I'm using Gnu/Linux where I can, or Mac OS at my home and some freelancing. Not a single drop of regret, this piece of crap is just not missed by me.

I keep a old Windows XP box for my retro-computing interests just for the taste of using/playing in the real hardware - I could easily dump the hard disk to be used on a OpenBOX VM on some of my UNIX (or like) machines. But that SoundBlaster Audigy and that Radeon HD 3850 still does so great on my favorite PC games that I just can't stand throwing it away. Yet. :-)

To tell you the true, there's just one situation where I'm stuck on Windows 7 on my personal affairs - at least, for now. I had setup a Atom 330 to be my torrent/media/file server under my TV-Set, and the sad true is that Intel was a bitch on supporting Linux. The Atom 330 just sucks playing media on Linux (or even in Windows, without the Intel's codecs), and this is Intel's fault.

But since I don't plan to switch my Atom 330 for anything else, as it's energy consumption is far better than anything else I could use for the job (or someone else can recommend to me an ARM based MiniITX board that can fully substitute the 330 in processing power and hardware expandability?) and HD videos (that the Atom 330 handles badly - 1080p movies aren't handled very well, if handled at all) can be watched on my PS3 when I really want to see something in HD, I think I will stick with Win7 for some more time. My girl friends are still used to Windows anyway and keeping the Media Center on Win7 is easier for them - at least, for now. :-)

Re:What keeps me on Windows ? (1)

Lisias (447563) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949047)

My english just sucks sometimes. I apologize.

Where I wrote "we develop products that runs on Oracle, for SQL Server", please read "we develop products that run under Oracle and SQL Server".

Where I wrote "as it's energy consumption is far better than anything else", please read "as its energy consumption is far better than anything else".

Like a lobster in a pan (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43949029)

Continuing to use Windows is like being a lobster gradually being boiled. No thank you. I've used Windows XP for almost 10 years, and when it will be discontinued next year I'll use Debian. Will I completely reject Windows ? Nope, for those 2 applications (legit not warez) plus several original windows games that don't work on Wine I'll virtualise XP. But I will never again buy another Windows license.

Same as ever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43949035)

Games and business software.

Until one or both of those runs on something else... (i really don't give a fuck what my OS is.. really)

I'm stuck with it.

Heck i was happy with windows 98se.. You strip the garbage out and it was fine.
I was forced to move onto win2k. And if you strip the garbage out it was fine...
I was forced to move onto xp. And if you strip the garbage out it was near perfect.
I skipped vista. it was a bad joke until several service patches got out. and still.

And then i was forced onto windows7 when stuff started requireing it or vista... and well... fuck vista.

Eventually they'll try forcing me into windows 8... And so far.. No... nope... that's where i draw the line. Its crap. with a massive ammount of garbage on top.. the hours of work required to remove it all is just too much.. With still no real improvements to anything that matters.

I figure by that time i'll be getting too old for games. And be set in my ways for business software. So fuckit. win7 is the end of the line for me. It works. And its near the limit on garbage i want to clean out for an operating system that i just use to start OTHER programs.

And for the record.. garbage includes IE.. you don't actually need that shit for any site. Just change your useragent in firefox and hey... that IE only site works just fine. I dont want a fucking browser embedded right into my file operating system. it's stupid.

why windows (2)

chentiangemalc (1710624) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949045)

I run Windows 8 Enterprise x64 on a MacBook Air via Bootcamp.I boot into MacOS only for music recording. I run Ubuntu in Hyper-V when needed. Why I continue to use Windows - Visual Studio 2012 for :NET and Win32 C++ coding, the integrated debugging tools, automated testing compatibility, integrated code analysis all seem superior to what I've tried in Linux - Office 2013. Sorry LibreOffice/OpenOffice you're still playing catchup. Maybe for certain uses this may be OK, but for complex docs I work with MS Office is superior. - bash is nice, PowerShell 3.0 far superior , and if I want bash can run it on windows anyway - Windows is now very stable/secure even out of the box - Internet Explorer is no longer the crappy browser it was

Warranty Period (1)

yobjob (942868) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949053)

Two words: Warranty period. When my 12 months are up, on comes Ubuntu.

You would ask that question wouldn't you? (1)

rs79 (71822) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949061)

I'm probably a good person to ask that question of, it's on my thinkpad despite my starting with Unix in 1977; in my entire professional career as a program I had only one Windows gig the rest was Unix or embedded assembly. I really do c/unix stuff, for work and fun. So why then do I still use XP?

Cause it works finally.

If it were as bad as it were 10 years ago, I'd be using Unix on my laptop, but xp has stopped pissing me off with stupid shit and does the very little I ask of it reasonably well, although my expectations of it are so low I'd be equally happy with a BIOS that boots to a web browser.

It does need daily reboots and sometimes goes for weeks on end without a need for a reboot and (touch wood) doesn't seem to crash any more.

So, under the "don't fix what aint broken" maxim, I'll leave xp on this machine. Would I "upgrade"? Not a chance in hell. If I used anything else I'd put BSD on it instead.

Photoshop (1)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949067)

That's the only reason. But that's changing.

Tomb.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43949069)

Raider, Assassin's Creed, Deus Ex, absolutely nothing else. AAA-titles still not available on Steam.. :(

There will never be a year of Linux on the Desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43949075)

It's not getting much better it's just getting more fragmented, I keep trying Linux (and have been for 15+ years) but keep coming back to Windows. IMO Linux isn't a real OS, Linux does not need 50+ distros all reinventing the same wheels over and over. Windows (7 for me) is a stable OS that does everything I need it to.

The horror that is Unity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43949085)

But aside from the atrocious and mystery-meat-oriented Unity, Linux distros seem to come "dumbed-down" in terms of user interface. File managers have the dreaded and useless "icon view", and it's not easy to put stuff on the desktop, etc. And I personally think that Windows 7 looks waaay better than any Linux desktop out there.

What is Windows to me? (1)

houbou (1097327) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949093)

Everything.. Work, Personal, Gaming, Music, Videos, you name it, it's all Windows. MS Office, Adobe Acrobat, PhotoShop, Corel Draw, NetBeans, DVDFab, WinAMP, Browsing, banking, MAME, I can go on and on. Which is why Windows 7 is a big deal for me and going to Windows 8 or 8.1 isn't going to cut it, because I've invested a lot of monies into my software apps. Microsoft is stupid to think that people can invest time and monies every 2, 3 yrs just because they want to upgrade their OS to make more money.

Office is so dumbed down... (1)

pudknocker (516571) | about a year and a half ago | (#43949097)

That the biggest reason for staying on Windows is gone. I use Cygwin a lot. Lots of apps are still on windows, but the advances in VMs, , the cloud (online apps), etc. are going to gradually erase the reason Windows is necessary.
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