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Japan's Military 'Needs Marines and Drones'

timothy posted about a year ago | from the military-industrial-squid-godzilla-complex dept.

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arisvega writes "The State of Japan is apparently seeking 'Deter and Respond' military capabilities, perhaps as an artifact from being 'embroiled in a bitter row over islands with China' and being 'deeply concerned by North Korea's nuclear ambitions,' as reported by the BBC. Since the end of WW II, under Article 9 of its post-war constitution, Japan is blocked from the use of force to resolve conflicts except in the case of self-defence. Now, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is looking to expand the scope of Japanese military activities — potentially a highly controversial move that would anger its neighbours. The post-war constitution was of course put in place by the then victorious west, who would now have an interest to fully back up this move: though Japanese officials claim that any new upgrades will not be used for preemptive strikes, the result will be arms and battalions installed close to The People's Republic of China, The Democratic People's Republic of Korea, and The Russian Federation. It will be interesting to track how this plays out."

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japan is a fascist nation that was spared (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397021)

rather than total anihilation by nuclear weapons it was decided to neuter it and allow it to wither away and die.
It is one of the few remaining succesful US foreign policies.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (4, Insightful)

Hartree (191324) | about a year ago | (#44397093)

Well, if it successfully withered away and died, how can it possibly be a threat to China? :)

(There's an inherent contradiction in what you say.)

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397363)

Well, if it successfully withered away and died, how can it possibly be a threat to China? :)

As a forward base for US+allies. It would be like the UK during WW2--a huge aircraft and troop carrier parked off the coast of Germany. No disrespect to the British, who just happened to be living on "the carrier" when the extra troops arrived, and were instrumental in defeating fascism.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397457)

There where a respectable number of British troupes involved in operation Normandy and the final push against Hitler, along with British air support which had a major role. If you think that we where nothing more than a passive part of Hitler's defeat then you likely have only got your information from moves. With most war moves being made in America with Americans as their fist target audience they have easy access to American army props and accents because of this and the desire to appeal to local audiences they do not usual bother to include or even mention and sometime even outright whitewash or re-attribute non American actions.

In reality the defeat of Hitler was caused by a mixture of two flaws the first was the resource costs of the whole 3 front war, in Africa, against Russia and the UK, as long as none of them went down all of them took resources that could have been spent to beat the others.... The second flaw was the Nazis insufficient respect for the greatest Russian general, General Winter which cost them dear. Hitler was already defend at that point without too much further ailed intervention, but without the allies forcing the issue early Russia would have simply steamrollered Europe as their opponents ran out of resources (and probably finished the UK as part of that), and so for saving us from that I am definitely grateful to all those who fought.

Re: japan is a fascist nation that was spared (4, Informative)

Patch86 (1465427) | about a year ago | (#44397595)

The numbers speak for themselves. The number of American troops during the Normandy beach landings = 63,000, British =60,000. The casualty figures are similarly even.

As you say, Hollywood revisionism is to blame for a lot of the misconceptions about the American role in the war. It was a big role, but far from a one-nation-show.

Re: japan is a fascist nation that was spared (4, Interesting)

h5inz (1284916) | about a year ago | (#44397701)

"Hollywood revisionism is to blame for a lot of the misconceptions about the American role in the war".

By the way, it was the Eastern Front, which claimed 80 percent of all German military casualties in the war. So basically, it was one evil empire against other and the winning one got away with its crimes. That is the reality. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/21/arts/a-job-for-rewrite-stalin-s-war.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm [nytimes.com]

Re: japan is a fascist nation that was spared (2)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44397779)

winning one got away with its crimes

I disagree. They had the terrible punishment of being stuck with Stalin for quite a few more years.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397589)

There's no contradiction.

(You switched to past tense.)

Re: japan is a fascist nation that was spared (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397103)

Is that what your party official in "free" China told you to write?

Re: japan is a fascist nation that was spared (0)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#44397549)

Do you really hate history so very much?

(Nod to JC.)

Re: japan is a fascist nation that was spared (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397621)

Is that the best comeback your party official in "free" China could come up with!

Re: japan is a fascist nation that was spared (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#44398423)

Sorry, I'm not clear on which "free" China it is that I'm supposedly a lackey of. Kindly elucidate.

Afterwards, we can discuss who's paying you to post nonsense.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397165)

The military was neutered, but the constitution that was forced on Japan was basically a Western system of government with a token emperor. Surprisingly, this worked really well for Japan. Without any possibility to create a hawkish foreign policy and with a government that generally respects human rights, Japan advanced faster than almost any other country in history--from rubble and millions dead to massive manufacturing industries and cities full of skyscrapers in less than 50 years. This is what can happen when you spend 1% or less of your GDP on the military. Perhaps this should be a lesson to some other countries in the world.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (5, Insightful)

readin (838620) | about a year ago | (#44397199)

The military was neutered, but the constitution that was forced on Japan was basically a Western system of government with a token emperor. Surprisingly, this worked really well for Japan. Without any possibility to create a hawkish foreign policy and with a government that generally respects human rights, Japan advanced faster than almost any other country in history--from rubble and millions dead to massive manufacturing industries and cities full of skyscrapers in less than 50 years. This is what can happen when you spend 1% or less of your GDP on the military. Perhaps this should be a lesson to some other countries in the world.

Yeah, every country should sign a defense treaty with the United States and have America provide a security guarantee.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (1)

demachina (71715) | about a year ago | (#44397245)

Uh, I thought they all have, with the possible exception of Russia and China and a few smaller ones like Cuba, Venezuala and Ecuador?

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (4, Insightful)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year ago | (#44397323)

Yeah, every country should sign a defense treaty with the United States and have America provide a security guarantee.

There are a number of countries that spend even less [wikipedia.org] . Most countries have no disputed borders, and no hostile direct neighbors. Most military spending in the world is out of tradition or political calculation rather than any real security need. Even countries that need to keep their military, often have more than they need, and they focus on the wrong skills and capabilities. For example, two decades after the end of the cold war, Germany's military is built around heavy armored divisions, when there is no plausible scenario where they would be useful. On the eve of the 9/11 attacks, the US Army's top priority was the Crusader Artillery [wikipedia.org] , a 99 ton monstrosity what would have proved nearly useless in the the ensuing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Even GWB had enough sense to kill that.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (3, Funny)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year ago | (#44398025)

Germany's military is built around heavy armored divisions, when there is no plausible scenario where they would be useful.

Zerg rush wins every time. That's their plan.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (2)

cheesybagel (670288) | about a year ago | (#44398353)

The Germans sold a lot of their tank inventory all over Europe and elsewhere after the Cold War ended. They have like a fifth of the tanks they used to have.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#44397437)

Oh, that's rich. First you force a country to sign your treaty and then you blame it for doing so.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397475)

Yes, since surely grandparent was alive during the time this was voted for and executed and had an effect in the decision. That's right fellow americans, the rest of the world not only sees us as a hivemind but a hivemind with longevity.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397519)

You should try belonging to $Nation_with_colonial_past then, you yes you personally killed someone's grandfather, and they'll give you an earful about it too.

Categorising is easy, and often wrong, but you still can not blame another nation for the actions of your ancestors or begrudge them too much for taking time to fix the problems left behind.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#44397889)

Well, I wasn't alive during WW2 either. But I get told time and again that I should still feel remorse for what some idiots did in my country back then. Care to explain why I should feel responsible for and pay for Nazi war crimes?

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397955)

you should not and don't let anyone tell you that you should. And Germany should stop paying the jews. How many generations should be allowed to collect from Germany this is insane.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397673)

Also, if Japan allowed China and NK to have near permanent military bases in Japan (after letting them drop a couple of nukes to be complete), there would no need to fear either of them. Seen this way, instead of using a "solution" that worked, they are experimenting.

The stupidity of fears over China/NK bombing Japan, while having the military bases of the destroyer of nation is astounding.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44398411)

Yeah, every country should sign a defense treaty with the United States and have America provide a security guarantee.

If by 'provide a security guarantee' you mean park 35 000 soldiers that pretty often get drunk and do some really stupid shit, then yes...obviously.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397215)

It probably helped that they had over 50 years of both political technocratic and modern industrial engineering know-how. I mean... you know... just a little bit. There's nothing like efficient government and solid science & engineering to help rebuild a country. Second only to a small military budget, of course.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (1)

demachina (71715) | about a year ago | (#44397259)

It worked really well up until the point corruption went wild, they had a massive real estate bubble, followed by one going on two lost decades where they've propped up their economy with massive public works projects and piles of debt. Of course lately they are printing money at a furious place to try to break the deflationary spiral they've been in for like 20 years.

They also have a demographic time bomb because young people have stopped having jobs, hope or babies so they can't support their rapidly exploding senior population.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397321)

So what you're saying is we should ship Mexicans to Japan?

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397403)

They import Brazilians actually. Just as good as Mexicans, and with just as much as racist bullshit, but more exploitable.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397461)

It worked really well up until the point corruption went wild, they had a massive real estate bubble, followed by one going on two lost decades where they've propped up their economy with massive public works projects and piles of debt. Of course lately they are printing money at a furious place to try to break the deflationary spiral they've been in for like 20 years.

They also have a demographic time bomb because young people have stopped having jobs, hope or babies so they can't support their rapidly exploding senior population.

You sir, are on point!

Abe and their Central bank ideas are running out of steam and they have had to intervene by completely stopping markets to stop from a full on crash because of their intervention. They are running out of ideas, so the next best thing. Give the people and enemy and go to war! (pulling a US style tactic)

Central banker probably says " Get people on board with fighting China. This will fix our economy! "

^^^ Remember, someone take a picture of this here.

Why? Years from now after they have changed their constitution and claim that it wasn't for preemptive strikes, and then the begin to attack people. I called it. Keynesian Economics. Run out of ideas, start blowing shit up. ( Broken Glass Fallacy )

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44397787)

Compare that to the USA which doesn't have the public works projects but still has piles of debt. I'd prefer the place where they built the fast trains if all else was equal.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397473)

Realistically, it was the US that handled all of Japan's defense duties. Because Japan was essentially disarmed, any attacks from China or Russia would be responded against by the US, just as if the attack was against New York, not Tokyo.

Europe enjoyed that luxury as well to a lesser extent.

However, things change. Japan militarizing is going to definitely change the Pacific Rim balance.

China still has the upper hand. In 24 hours, they can easily overrun Taiwan, shell Seoul via their proxy, "pacify" Signapore, and possibly do serious damage to Japan, breaking the backbone of the West's manufacturing capability.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397539)

And risk nuclear war? I think not. There is no upper hand when nuclear weapons are in play. There is no strategy. There is no way to win.

Japan militarizing has no impact on China. A country without nuclear weapons is not a credible threat against one that does. Period.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (1)

Chrontius (654879) | about a year ago | (#44397931)

Japan lives under the American nuclear "umbrella". Nuclear attacks on them would be responded to with same.

Not so sure about what'd happen if every outlying island in the region had a Chinese military base on it; they need not use nukes, and they never need to fire a shot to change the balance of power enough to impact any negotiations for trade or treaty in the region.

Re:japan is a fascist nation that was spared (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year ago | (#44398039)

The current constitution has a lot of popular support in Japan. You have to remember that the Japanese people were largely victims for WW2. Few really supported the military and they suffered greatly due to its actions. The idea that the government should not make war or allow military build-up is very popular, and a lot of people believe has kept Japan safe from neighbours that would otherwise feel far more threatened than they already do.

It will be interesting to track how this plays out (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#44397035)

As always, follow de Monet...

Re:It will be interesting to track how this plays (4, Insightful)

readin (838620) | about a year ago | (#44397221)

As always, follow de Monet...

It will be interesting to track how this plays out ... unless you happen to live in a country or belong to a race that the Chinese think have historically wronged China, or a race that the Chinese see as being inferior, in which case it could be scary to see Chinese attitudes of resentful nationalism closely tracking those of Japan and Germany prior to WW II.

Re:It will be interesting to track how this plays (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397325)

unless you happen to live in a country or belong to a race that the Chinese think have historically wronged China

And that would include practically every 1st world nations in the planet. Perhaps some time for a history lesson on the foreign invasion of China in the past 100 or so years?

And quite contrary to your point, China has been quite peaceful in dealing with most of the European countries, except those that (surprise, surprise!), like Japan, are having economic problems and are trying to drum up support through sabre-rattling.

Is anyone surprised that Japanese politicians are taking a book from Americans? If your support drops, start a war?

Re:It will be interesting to track how this plays (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#44397571)

Hong Kong and Macau would like to have a chat with you.

Along with these other places [wikipedia.org] .

Re:It will be interesting to track how this plays (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#44397397)

Drones with made in Japan optics.
Components made in Philippines, Vietnam and Laos.
A bit like any pro/consumer* camera but new Warlord friendly prices.
*autoland is extra

Re:It will be interesting to track how this plays (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44398389)

Are you implying that the Japanese want to use the drones to break into Louvre?

Good news for us, I suspect... (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44397047)

Unless Abe has some unwisely-published rantings about the reestablishment of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere stashed in his closet somewhere, this seems like the sort of 'controversial' that will lead to grumblings and not a whole lot else.

It's not as though any of Japan's neighbors are necessarily going to like it; but nation-states maintaining armed forces, even potentially threatening ones, is sufficiently universal that there isn't exactly any complaints department who would take you seriously. "Dear the UN, I think Japan may be deciding to maintain a military larger than the one that the Americans let them keep after fighting a particularly nasty war with them, that's mean!"

It also wouldn't be a total surprise if some of the Japanese increase is aimed specifically at replacing the (never entirely popular) American bases in the area, which would leave the total amount of force roughly constant, just changing the label (and hopefully saviing the US some cash).

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397089)

Japan already pays the cost of the US bases. (Ignoring the hidden costs) it won't effect the US bottom line very much. Having a superpower in the region is a good way to deter another superpower though, so I doubt that the US will be leaving Japan (but even if they did, there would still be S. Korea and Taiwan to deter China and Russia from enforcing their territorial claims).

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (1)

Yomers (863527) | about a year ago | (#44397261)

Japan already pays the cost of the US bases. (Ignoring the hidden costs) it won't effect the US bottom line very much. Having a superpower in the region is a good way to deter another superpower though, so I doubt that the US will be leaving Japan (but even if they did, there would still be S. Korea and Taiwan to deter China and Russia from enforcing their territorial claims).

Russia have no territorial claims to Japan, on contrary Japan have claims on some of islands that is currently a Russian territory.

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397319)

Russia have no territorial claims to Japan, on contrary Japan have claims on some of islands that is currently a Russian territory.

Japanese claim Russian islands, Russian claim to Japanese islands, it works out to the same thing. In a regular situation, after diplomatic breakdown, there would be war. Which side is in the right (you claiming that Russia is correct), is irrelevant. Having the US back Japan greatly deters the idea of a real, actual shooting war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands_dispute [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (2)

Yomers (863527) | about a year ago | (#44397845)

Japanese claim Russian islands, Russian claim to Japanese islands, it works out to the same thing. In a regular situation, after diplomatic breakdown, there would be war. Which side is in the right (you claiming that Russia is correct), is irrelevant. Having the US back Japan greatly deters the idea of a real, actual shooting war.

No it's not works out to the same thing, it's the matter of who need to start aggression to get what they perceive as theirs. I'm saying that de-facto Russia control those islands since WW2, and Russia have no territorial claims to Japan. US backing Japan is irrelevant in this case, as Russia would not start aggression on Japan (as it have no territorial claims), and Japan would not start aggression on Russia in foreseeable future as it could lead to nuclear strikes.

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (1)

Yomers (863527) | about a year ago | (#44397863)

So basically US backing Japan or not is irrelevant - as all this territorial claims you listed is Japan territorial claims to China and Russia, not the other way around, and Japan is not going to get anything anyway, with or without US backing them.

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (1)

Yomers (863527) | about a year ago | (#44397871)

Oops, sorry - Senkaku Islands are controlled by Japan and disputed by China, so yes, looks like Japanese need US backing or there own strong military force (probably only nukes will count) to deter China.

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (1)

readin (838620) | about a year ago | (#44397207)

It's not as though any of Japan's neighbors are necessarily going to like it...

The Taiwanese are sure to like it (though not their government).

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (2)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#44397583)

It's not as though any of Japan's neighbors are necessarily going to like it...

The Taiwanese are sure to like it (though not their government).

You have got to be kidding [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (1)

Princeofcups (150855) | about a year ago | (#44397227)

Unless Abe has some unwisely-published rantings about the reestablishment of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere stashed in his closet somewhere, this seems like the sort of 'controversial' that will lead to grumblings and not a whole lot else.

As long as the US keeps up the shipments of oil and steal. No wait, that's hollywood movies and iPhones now.

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44397803)

As long as the US keeps up the shipments of oil and steal

No, you're mixing it up with Cheney's Iraq plan - steal the oil.

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (5, Informative)

auric_dude (610172) | about a year ago | (#44397309)

Japan is at a crossroads and drones are not the only form of military expansion that is being considered. They are giving a lot of thought to the task of guarding their trade routes along with the protection of disputed islands and areas of sea close to home rich in oil, minerals and fish http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/08/china-japan-drone-race [guardian.co.uk] http://defense-update.com/20120917_uas-on-maritime-surveillance-pacific.html [defense-update.com] and so are seeking to modernise and change the mix of the JMSDF http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ship.htm [globalsecurity.org] assets. This has resulted in the 22DDH a new light aircraft carrier http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/cv-newcon.htm [globalsecurity.org] built upon ideas gained from the existing Hyuga-class helicopter carrier http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/hyuga-class/ [naval-technology.com] . Some are already beating the drum be it only in model form http://www.informationdissemination.net/2013/06/jmsdf-in-action.html [informatio...nation.net] but others in the area may well have other ideas of the future http://blogs.defensenews.com/intercepts/2012/12/what-china-wants-for-christmas/ [defensenews.com]

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#44397447)

It's not as though any of Japan's neighbors are necessarily going to like it; but nation-states maintaining armed forces, even potentially threatening ones, is sufficiently universal that there isn't exactly any complaints department who would take you seriously.

China will take it seriously. The primary military buildup is aimed at them. They've been fighting over the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands for decades now, mainly with words. China teaches their school kids about the evil Japanese empire who stole the islands. In the last decade, the conflict has escalated dramatically, including trade wars and kinetic conflict. The Senkaku's are the center of it all.

The primary difficulty is that there's no obvious solution to the dispute. Both sides want the rocks, and will be satisfied with nothing else.

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (2)

NicBenjamin (2124018) | about a year ago | (#44397959)

One of the major achievements of the post-WW2 New World Order was that it got rid of almost all territorial disputes. Before WW2 everybody in Europe had claims on most of their neighbors, which made for an extremely unstable military situation. Nowadays almost nobody has claims on anybody's continental territory, which makes for a lot less international warfare. The major exceptions are Israel/Palestine, and Kashmir.

There are still plenty of maritime disputes, including islands, but it's a lot better then 1932.

Re:Good news for us, I suspect... (2)

cheesybagel (670288) | about a year ago | (#44398425)

Nowadays almost nobody has claims on anybody's continental territory, which makes for a lot less international warfare.

Hah. They do not actively pursue them but the claims still are there. Take Gibraltar as an instance. Or Kaliningrad for that matter.

I don't know about drones (2)

paiute (550198) | about a year ago | (#44397057)

We sent Japan six divisions of marines not too many years ago. Now they need more? Those weren't enough?

Re: I don't know about drones (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397123)

We should just withdraw all our troops from Asia and leave Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea with thermonuclear medium range missles for deterrence.

Re: I don't know about drones (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397289)

What could possibly go wrong?

Re:I don't know about drones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397349)

We sent Japan six divisions of marines not too many years ago. Now they need more? Those weren't enough?

You (i guess U.S.A.) sent Japan U.S.A. marines - they want/need Japanese marines!
(and no, the current military forces in Japan -including foreigners- are not enough, especialy when one of their potential enemy is the country with the biggest population on earth...)

More importantly (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397067)

How will this effect anime?

Re:More importantly (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397269)

go suck another dick, faggot.

Re:More importantly (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44397813)

Good question when part of their defence plan is to build flying robots.

Re:More importantly (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year ago | (#44398471)

I believe this is, ultimately, the only important question. We must build a defensive perimeter around the mangakas, as well as the Ministry of Agriculture (well, one of them....as they are purportedly working on the Gundam project, if Wikipedia is anything to go by). We will then extend the perimeter, as resources allow, to include the local convention centers, cosplay cafes, any and all restaurants serving sushi (shhh), and the 'Heavy' industries. All strategizing will take place either in Okinawa, on the beach, or at some abandoned Buddhist / Shinto temple in the mountains.

Re:More importantly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44398519)

prepare to get more military-themed anime with JSDF at the center

Gate adaptation when?

crazy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397073)

Just call everything self defense. It's like how congress can do pretty much anything just by saying interstate commerce and the supreme court even said that covered some things that happen completely inside one state because by not affecting interstate commerce they were affecting it

Re: crazy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397101)

Works for shooting kids you don't like, too.

Re: crazy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397371)

That was a nigger, not a kid.

Re: crazy (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#44398265)

That was a racist flaimbait, not a comment.

If (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397091)

If you disarm somebody, you're morally responsible if they get attacked.

Re:If (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44398475)

How so? I didn't attack them, some other jackwagon did.

On one condition japan: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397105)

it better be the cool robot/jet anime kinda shit, and not the tentacle kind.

Re:On one condition japan: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397247)

What are you talking about? Tentacle lolicon is the best kind of porn.

Sun Tzu would be proud (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#44397137)

Not sure in which part of the Art of War he said that the best defense is to create new enemies, or promote new weapon races (even in fields where you can participate with widely available and cheap technology, like the internet based ones), but it should be somewhere because US is following that to the letter and the rest of their (for now) allies are following the example.

Re:Sun Tzu would be proud (1)

readin (838620) | about a year ago | (#44397225)

Not sure in which part of the Art of War he said that the best defense is to create new enemies, or promote new weapon races (even in fields where you can participate with widely available and cheap technology, like the internet based ones), but it should be somewhere because US is following that to the letter and the rest of their (for now) allies are following the example.

Which part of Art of War says appease rising powers when they try to bully you?

Re:Sun Tzu would be proud (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397345)

Not sure in which part of the Art of War he said that the best defense is to create new enemies, or promote new weapon races (even in fields where you can participate with widely available and cheap technology, like the internet based ones), but it should be somewhere because US is following that to the letter and the rest of their (for now) allies are following the example.

Which part of Art of War says appease rising powers when they try to bully you?

Is that the Bush Doctrine again? You are either FOR us or AGAINST us? Do you also go around and slap your neighbors in their face once in a while, to root out which ones are "bullying you" by getting pissed instead of asking for more?

Maybe Germany should follow Japan's lead and have their leaders go and pay respect to Hilter's grave every year (and move it to shrine dedicated to war heroes to boot!), and then see which of their neighbors got pissed, THOSE countries are "bullying" Germany alright! Those war crimes they committed during WWII? It's just something that happens during war times, not their fault, their victims should count themselves lucky they weren't being pressed to work as sex slaves, cause an army needs sex slaves.

Seems like taking the middle road and coexist peacefully is just too complicated for some people to understand. Luckily Europeans are more intelligent to some other 1st world countries' leaders.

Re:Sun Tzu would be proud (5, Insightful)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#44397427)

but it should be somewhere because US is following that to the letter and the rest of their (for now) allies are following the example.

It is China's arrogant, bullying, overbearing behavior, treating its neighbors like the vassal states of Imperial China, trying to take their territory, that is driving its neighbors to affirm their defensive alliances, and seek new arms to defend themselves.

Trying to blame this on the US and its allies simply demonstrates you either pay no attention to the news, or have a pathological animus towards the US.

Re:Sun Tzu would be proud (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397745)

It is China's arrogant, bullying, overbearing behavior, treating its neighbors like the vassal states of Imperial China

This modded insightful, and from a US-centric POV no less. *sigh*

I guess /.ers really really HATE history lessons.

Hint: as an exercise, compare China's actions towards neighbors in SE Asia with US's actions against neighbors in Latin America.

Re:Sun Tzu would be proud (2)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#44397781)

This isn't a US-centric POV, it is the countries that China is bullying that find its behavior obnoxious. That is why the countries that China is bullying are taking their current actions. I'm not really sure how you could be confused on that point.

China is currently trying to take territory from the Philippines, Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan, and there may be others. What parts of Latin America is the United States currently trying to annex? China is militarily threatening many nations around it. Which nations is the US actively threatening, including putting troops ashore on disputed territories, and ramming ships at sea?

I guess some ACs really hate keeping up with current events. *sigh*

Re:Sun Tzu would be proud (2)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#44397907)

What parts of Latin America is the United States currently trying to annex?
Fun with the "currently" term.
Need a history lesson in that part of the world Cold?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions [wikipedia.org] in list form with dates :)
The US goes for "security arrangements" now and likes to "lease access" under the banner of "hunting drug traffickers and guerrillas"
Its the same as having a U.S. military base, just the base is still all part of "Colombia".
Cold if you want to understand China "now" and their thinking, recall the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars [wikipedia.org]
The use of drugs, silver and terms of settlement has shaped China and its political thinking.
The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War [wikipedia.org] might be good reading too.
Recall the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:Sun Tzu would be proud (1)

NicBenjamin (2124018) | about a year ago | (#44397999)

I believe you may need a grammar lesson. "Annex" means formal border-change. The US is not trying to make Honduras or Venezuela the 51st state.

China is trying to make several islands controlled by non-Chinese nations Chinese territory.

More to the point: who gives a shit? Just because the US is wrong in one area of the world, that does not imply that everyone who disagrees with us is always right. Most importantly, the fact that we bully (or attempt to bully, I don't know if you noticed but it hasn;t worked since the 90s) Latin America does not mean the Filipinoes deserve to be bullied just because they hate us less then Peru does.

Re:Sun Tzu would be proud (2)

b4upoo (166390) | about a year ago | (#44398277)

These days even the powerful officials in China may wonder if they would not be personally better off if communism shifts more towards gentle socialism with a bit more capitalistic activity. It is one thing for the common person to ponder such things but when it gets to the point that the rich and powerful have similar thoughts things really might change.
                    What all nations seem to need is a more realistic formulation of the value of labor so that an economy does what it is supposed to do which is the just and fair distribution of wealth. The US version of right and just is sort of like it was written by Klingons in that what we excuse as competition is more like a pool of sharks murdering each other over a bite of food.

Re:Sun Tzu would be proud (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year ago | (#44398507)

Well...let's look at this from a slightly Machiavellian viewpoint....the US military typically doesn't advertise its latest and greatest in weaponry...and even in times of major warfare, it usually isn't hard pressed to go any more recent than a decade back in terms of 'what does the cat have in the bag.'

What this means is...the US military probably has some directed energy weapons it wants to field test on the Chinese...and is looking for any volunteers. Because only if the 'threat' is big enough, and bad enough, can the military say "We had to take the gloves off...or at least remove a pinky finger slightly from one of the gloves, for a little cleaning, and possibly due to some pinching." What others think they see is a falling star...what they don't see are the people who put that star up there, who are busy huffing a satellite dish over the next hill, as part of the latest Fromhoffer experiment to see what happens when, I don't know, high-energy wide-beam disruptive ultrasound weaponry is used on large battalions of organic soldiers. Because lets be honest...like Russia, China has the numbers...and it's not like their leadership wouldn't expect to lose a lot of them in the field against the US...which is the perfect cover for some experiments...though autopsies might reveal that the entire legion had their eyes explode or something before they were able to get to their weapons...but who looks closely during a time of war?

one Godzilla is not enough ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397143)

one Godzilla is not enough ???

Re:one Godzilla is not enough ??? (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year ago | (#44397395)

one Godzilla is not enough ???

This will be a swarm of little ones, that fly around shooting missiles and delivering IP takedown notices.

NONSENSE- Japan fears a united Korea (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397177)

The USA is in South Korea for one reason, and one reason only- to prevent North and South Korea reuniting, just as East and West Germany did a little while back.

Although most people have the memory of a goldfish, try to think back. EVERY pundit in the West told the sheeple the re-unification between the two Germanys was impossible, and even if it did become possible, it would take DECADES. When the USSR withdrew from East Germany, reunification happened virtually overnight. Many of Germany's current leaders are from the East. Many are of East-German secret service background.

If America left South Korea, North and South would reunify just as quickly, under the capitalist system of the South. Korea would become the OTHER power-house, and Japan's time would be over. Worse for Japan would be the desire to see Japan punished for war crimes that occurred during WW2- crimes that the Americans ensured went unpunished after the war ended.

Japan has always been the vile murderous bully of the region. It has no chance of regaining this status. As an economic powerhouse, Japan is in terminal decline. Japan is now preparing for a future where it will go to war again purely to keep its second place status next to China. America has ensured Japan is a major nuclear power, and by this I mean MILITARY nuclear power. The nuclear power stations America ensured Japan built are designed to produce the nuclear material for warheads.

Japan is looking to emulate Israel, another murderous racist state that exists by periodically attacking any neighbour that dares to build itself up economically or militarily. Japan is planning for an 'Israel' flavoured action where it would engage in a short war against a united Korea, putting back Korea's progress by a decade or two. Japan's population is as nationalistic and racist as it was in the years before WW2, so getting support for such a war would be child's play.

In this scenario, Japan expects the major powers to either be on its side, or neutral. In this thinking, Japan is literally insane. Rather than building up its armed forces, Japan should be reducing them, and doing everything to earn the forgiveness and friendship of its neighbours. A militaristic Japan reminds EVERY neighbour of Japan just how evil this nation has been in the past, and how little it seems to want to change in the present.

This part of the world has a LOT of unfinished business. If Japanese leaders had even one brain cell, they'd understand that every major Asian neighbour has an incentive to see Japan invaded and put down as a regional threat once and for all. For Japan, China and Korea, WW2 didn't end, but was just put on hold.

Re:NONSENSE- Japan fears a united Korea (1)

EzInKy (115248) | about a year ago | (#44397445)

EVERY pundit in the West told the sheeple...

Ironic how often that those people who tend to accept pundit's statements at face value apply the term sheeple to others, isn't it? Anyway, Japan was pretty content to remain isolated until forced to open up to foreign relations.

Re:NONSENSE- Japan fears a united Korea (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#44398309)

If America left South Korea, North and South would reunify just as quickly, under the capitalist system of the South.

Excuse me? The DPRK has the 4th-largest army in the world, and the highest percentage of military personnel per capita of any country in the world. They have about one and a quarter million military personnel. They have nukes, too. And Seoul is close enough to the border that they could just about lob one at it with a slingshot.

If the US abandoned South Korea, the North would be able to resist the temptation of all those material goodies they know the South have and they don't for... I dunno... a few weeks, maybe?

Oh, there might eventually be reunification, but it would be neither quick nor bloodless, and there are no guarantees that it wouldn't be as a peninsula-wide DPRK.

You can only poke them with a stick for so long (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397201)

If the prevailing powers wish to enguage in offensive acts then Japan has no choice but to defend itself. I understand the ill will that Japan represents to the other asian nations during WWII but I for one wouldn't blame Japan for defending itself. Also Japan has a very moddern fighting force and any asian nation that wished to test it's defensive might should do so with caution.

Gundam... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397241)

What? You mean Japan doesn't already have giant robots? The manga was a lie?

Hmm (1)

koan (80826) | about a year ago | (#44397249)

Perhaps he should be more like the people of Aneyoshi, in that village carved into a 4 foot stone obelisk is a warning "Don't build your homes below this line".
That village survived thanks to the warnings from the past.

Lets bring back Unit 731 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44397353)

Lets shove barbed wire up the vaginas of the enemy!

Fuck the Japs. Deserved the two nukes they got up the ass.

Re:Lets bring back Unit 731 (2)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#44398375)

Foshan, Guangdong, PRC, January 2011:

Me: It's a pleasure to meet you, sir.
Retired PLA Colonel: Likewise. Tell me, young man, did your father or perhaps your grandfather fight in Korea?
Me: Actually, I had a couple of great-uncles who saw action there.
He: I too fought in Korea. You realise that they and I were probably shooting at each other over there, right?
Me: Well... I'd not thought about it, but I suppose so.
He: Did they come home?
Me: Yes, they did.
He: Then I am most happy for you and your family, because many did not. Young man, I think you know that some very bad things happened in those days...
Me: So I have heard and read, sir.
He: I think that was a very long time ago, and the world has changed since then. Don't you agree?
Me: Absolutely, sir, absolutely.
He: (*takes my hand and pumps it enthusiastically*) Well, then, let's have a drink together to honour your uncles and all the brave comrades who fought for what they believed in, because that was a very long time ago... and now we are all a little older and wiser, and now we know that we should just all be good friends, don't you think?
Me: Sir! Yes, sir!

And then I took a double-shot of something that was named after a mountain, smelt like flowers, and went down like jet fuel... And the old soldier had to steady me because it damn near knocked me to the floor. :)

I've a photo of the old colonel and me together, taken that day. I keep it on the shelf above my desk. I consider it one of my most prized mementoes.

But ... but ... this is JAPAN! (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#44397441)

Realize what this means! Drones, made in Japan. They'll fit into your pocket, be able to hit whatever square inch on this planet you tell them with more force than anything anyone else builds, come with a sleek, chrome polished design, are invisible to radar and whatever other detection you could come up with, cost way less to produce and of course in retail (but you'll never be able to afford spare parts, if you find any that is) and of course look like Mechagodzilla.

On a less funny note, ponder that one of the few areas the US are still at the cutting edge of technology and without any competition is arms. Now ponder what happened with EVERY other tech field the US led and Japan muscled in.

Think it will take long before the US will be using drones "made in Japan"?

Self-defense (1)

Meneth (872868) | about a year ago | (#44397543)

Attack is best defense.

They can have Jupiter and Venus drones (4, Funny)

kawabago (551139) | about a year ago | (#44397927)

Now that China isn't using them to spy on India!

Perhaps the worrying should have started earlier. (2)

runeghost (2509522) | about a year ago | (#44398095)

Like, when the Japanese started rebuilding the Kido Butai? Personally, I'm untroubled by the announcement, but I think it's funny that "marines and drones" are getting notice, but the 27,000-ton carrier under construction and the two 19,000-ton carriers in commission get no mention.

I think (1)

Sevtron (833202) | about a year ago | (#44398513)

you mean Marines and SCV's.

Time to arm those 'Grass Eaters' (-1, Offtopic)

MonsterMasher (518641) | about a year ago | (#44398535)

Japanese young and middle age men have been dropping from society as they realize how shitty and impossible finding relationships and constantly getting kicked by society. They're shamed and called "grass eaters" who work just enough to cover their own expenses and uses time and resources to develop the individual. Sounds like Men today in the West, a little? Yep.

Time to arm those 'Grass Eaters' .. it's time for those young men to stand up for the society that treated them so well ... yep. That force will bring a wrecking, as those grass eaters fight and die to defend .. the society that did so much for them? For wife/girlfriend/children? For self respect? Because we will FORCE them, like we always do, to go off and die so we don't have to think about you again...

Fresh from a few wars you can see the thanks returning USA combat solders being kicked to the curb, hidden away, ignored, and under supported. And the extremely disconnected relationship situation with women standards .. basically anyone but the 'hottest' 20% men get any opportunity, of any avg attractiveness and health women to raise a finger and have social calender and intimate schedule fully filled, when many young men whom in the past would have been 'on the market' to women are just walked past.

SO.. lets just keep going straight. Soon our society will grind to a halt as men all around start to notice all this and stop doing all those extra we've been doing through-out time, but which must not be important anymore.. If you valued your plumber you would not piss on his leg, not pay him, and throw him out yelling "future Rapist, Abuser,!!" etc... or if you did, you can't expect a prompt 3 AM pipes frozen call from you the next day.

Ladies, lets keep kicking the avg guy. Being male he doesn't matter, and when things start to break you can all start the shaming, except this time we will be deaf to it, busy doing important things for themselves, so please go away.

Men are not objects. If you are being treated as one, take a long hard look at how you plan to benefit, and what you need to do to keep yourself safe, educated, and happy. You deserve it!

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