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Don't Fly During Ramadan

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the security-theatre dept.

Transportation 1233

An anonymous reader sends in a harrowing story from Aditya Mukerjee about his recent attempt to fly from New York to Los Angeles. After being pulled aside in the security line, he faced hours of interrogation by uncommunicative officials from several different agencies. When he was finally cleared, his airline, Jet Blue, wouldn't let him on the plane anyway. When he got home, he found evidence that it had been searched. He writes, "It was 2:20PM by the time I was finally released from custody. My entire body was shaking uncontrollably, as if I were extremely cold, even though I wasn’t. I couldn’t identify the emotion I was feeling. Surprisingly, as far as I could tell, I was shaking out of neither fear nor anger - I felt neither of those emotions at the time. The shaking motion was entirely involuntary, and I couldn’t force my limbs to be still, no matter how hard I concentrated. In the end, JetBlue did refund my flight, but they cancelled my entire round-trip ticket. Because I had to rebook on another airline that same day, it ended up costing me about $700 more for the entire trip. .. But no matter how I’ve tried to rationalize this in the last week and a half, nothing can block out the memory of the chilling sensation I felt that first morning, lying on my air mattress, trying to forget the image of large, uniformed men invading the sanctuary of my home in my absence, wondering when they had done it, wondering why they had done it."

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Don't fly period. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653107)

Don't travel by plane.
And don't travel at all.
Built a bomb shelter basement
With titanium walls.

Re:Don't fly period. (5, Funny)

inject_hotmail.com (843637) | about a year ago | (#44653259)

You said "bomb"! Arrest him!

Re:Don't fly period. (1)

somersault (912633) | about a year ago | (#44653467)

Aha! A book of pressure cooker recipes! You're going to go away, for a long, loooong time, son.

Proud? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653119)

Hey, America,
Are you proud of yourself yet? Proud of what you've become to yourself, your citizens and to the rest of the world? I can't imagine that this is what any of our founding fathers envisioned when they risked everything in order to found this country. And now look what you've made of it.

Ashamed,
A Disappointed Citizen

Re:Proud? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653271)

Hey, America,
Are you proud of yourself yet? Proud of what you've become to yourself, your citizens and to the rest of the world?

no.

Re:Proud? (5, Informative)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#44653383)

Yes, a huge percentage of Americans are actually quite proud of the version of the USA that exists in their heads. Just letting you know.

Re:Proud? (5, Insightful)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#44653499)

Yes, a huge percentage of Americans are actually quite proud of the version of the USA that exists in their heads. Just letting you know.

And elsewhere, people laugh hysterically when they hear an American blathering about the "freest country in the world".

Proud To Be An American (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653401)

OF course I'm proud to be a citizen of the mightiest, richest, most powerful nation in mankind. I'm proud to know that anyone that wants to fuck with us get fucked over 1000 worse and nobody can stop us no matter what.

You might be disappointed and you can get the fuck out. Millions more rich and poor would like nothing better than becoming a US citizen.

God Bless America.

Re:Proud To Be An American (3)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | about a year ago | (#44653495)

There's a song for that. [youtube.com] (and, no, it's not that shitty South Park thing, but some fine Denis Leary)

Re:Proud? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653445)

Good appeal, but please tone down the idealistic stuff about the forefathers and such - it's a bit like quoting the bible. Gets attention, but is nowhere near infallible and therefore not suited for a proper argument. That's one of the other things that are wrong with America, too much hype about ideals that have long ceased to be relevant. You need to look forward, look to improvements, shape new ideals that are worth aiming for.

Re:Proud? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653511)

Good appeal, but please tone down the idealistic stuff about the forefathers and such - it's a bit like quoting the bible. Gets attention, but is nowhere near infallible and therefore not suited for a proper argument.

Don't compare a document crafted by a number of real people who had been-there-seen-that to a religious work widely regarded as ancient history of even fiction. Principles are the foundation of all good and effective constructs - they should never be abandoned.

In the the land of he free (1, Interesting)

Henriok (6762) | about a year ago | (#44653133)

In the the land of he free and the home of the brave.

Re:In the the land of he free (5, Funny)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#44653309)

In the the land of he free and the home of the brave.*

*some restrictions may apply.

Prosser: But the plans were on display.
Arthur Dent: On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar.
Prosser: That's the display department.
Arthur Dent: With a torch.
Prosser: The lights had probably gone.
Arthur Dent: So had the stairs.
Prosser: But you did see the notice, didn't you?
Arthur Dent: Oh, yes. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign outside the door saying "Beware of the Leopard." Ever thought of going into advertising?

Re:In the the land of he free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653413)

Beware of the lepar, LEPAR not leopard.

Re:In the the land of he free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653479)

Leper.

Why? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653135)

It's called jihad.

When an entire religion declares that non-members are subhuman kafirs who deserve death, and the "moderate" members of that religion tacitly allow that, it's bad enough.

But it's even worse when that religion places the "holy" duty of jihad on all its members to go out and literally wage war against kafirs.

You reap what you sow.

Re:Why? (3, Informative)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#44653149)

It's called jihad.

When an entire religion declares that non-members are subhuman kafirs who deserve death, and the "moderate" members of that religion tacitly allow that, it's bad enough.

But it's even worse when that religion places the "holy" duty of jihad on all its members to go out and literally wage war against kafirs.

You reap what you sow.

TL;DR: Old School McCarthyism

Re:Why? (1, Insightful)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year ago | (#44653233)

Nope! It turns out, Senator McCarthy was right. There really were Communists in the State Department.

This forces us to re-evaluate the entire phrase of "McCarthyism" as the current (wrong) meaning implies falsehood. Please stop using this phrase, it is deprecated.

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653411)

There really were witches in Salem, too. Prove that there weren't!

Re:Why? (3, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year ago | (#44653441)

There really were witches in Salem, too. Prove that there weren't!

Sure, just look into my crystal ball ... Oh wait!

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about a year ago | (#44653419)

There were communist spies in the state department. And there was almost zero intersection between the communist spies and the lives destroyed by McCarthism. So your point is...?

Re:Why? (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year ago | (#44653151)

...entire religion....

I think I found the flaw in your argument. It takes just ONE case for this not to be true.

Re:Why? (-1, Troll)

scubamage (727538) | about a year ago | (#44653197)

It's also sad because almost every religion has bad examples. Hell, the Talmud says that all gentiles should be slaughtered like animals simply for not being Jewish, but we don't keep Jews off of planes.

Re:Why? (5, Informative)

Dog-Cow (21281) | about a year ago | (#44653301)

Um, no. The Talmud doesn't say that. You should probably stop reading Neo-Nazi and Jihadist websites.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653377)

but we don't keep Jews off of planes.

Who's "we" in this sentence?

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/15/airline-apologizes-for-plane-prayer-scare/

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653249)

Actually the flaw is yours. Did the fact that not all members of the Nazi party were fully committed to "the cause" make that group any less dangerous? No, it did not.

The religion of Islam has as its cause the conversion of all people to its faith, either willingly or by force. Conversion from Islam to another religion is the "crime" of apostasy and punishible by death. This group, as a whole, is dangerous. Just look at what is happening to christians in Egypt.

Perhaps some innocent Nazis were detained and searched too. Boo hoo.

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year ago | (#44653353)

"Actually the flaw is yours. Did the fact that not all members of the Nazi party were fully committed to "the cause" make that group any less dangerous? No, it did not."

But it did mean that we didn't prosecute all Nazis for war crimes just because they were Nazis.

Also, newsflash, many major religions support the cause of converting others or killing them. Including Christians and Jews. A clear majority of Muslims think that's an outdated concept just as much as Christians and Jews do too. It's just some relatively tiny sects that still support it (see Westboro Baptist Church).

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653509)

The religion of Islam has as its cause the conversion of all people to its faith, either willingly or by force. Conversion from Islam to another religion is the "crime" of apostasy and punishible by death. This group, as a whole, is dangerous. Just look at what is happening to christians in Egypt.

Fuck... All religions are dangereous!

Just stop being fucking sheep and think for yourselves instead of letting random chance (or "god" as you say) control your lives...

All religions have been used over and over to control people to follow their leaders and commit terrible things..

If you want to believe in something then do it for your self, don't follow any religion!

Re:Why? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653343)

Since the the entire religion is based on the koran and states that all non-muslims are infidels i think his statement is accurate to within round off error.

On a less accurate note I have been led to believe that the crazies are the ones running most of the show while the sane ones don't have the intestinal fortitude to stop them. Kinda like our congress, so much crazy crap is going on and so little being done about it by the sane ones.

Re:Why? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653359)

The Doctor: And your name?
General Staal: General Staal, of the tenth Sontaran fleet. Staal the Undefeated!
The Doctor: Aw, that's not a very good nickname. What if you do get defeated? Staal the Not-quite-so-undefeated-anymore-but-never-mind?

Re: Why? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653171)

Why you ask? Because despite your bigotry, if you had read the article you would have noticed the guy is Hindu.

Re: Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653341)

The fact that the SUMMARY leaves out this very important point shows how bad the editors are.

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

scubamage (727538) | about a year ago | (#44653193)

You realize, that Muslim extremists are to Islam what the Westboro Baptist Church, Tripura, Assam, Odisha, anti-abortion bombers, and Hutaree are for Christianity, right? Sickening examples that leave the majority just as disgusted as you, the outside observer.

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653381)

You realize you're an idiot, right?

I can't stand the Westboro Baptist Church as much as anyone else. However, they are not strapping bombs to themselves and blowing things up. They have not sworn to destroy America. They simply have a warped mind and a big mouth. Muslim extremists do act violently on their extreme views.

Re:Why? (1)

scubamage (727538) | about a year ago | (#44653389)

Prove me wrong on the other fronts. And so far as I know, most Muslims don't want to be associated with extremists, or those advocating for extremism (you know, like WBC advocates for violence against people). Likewise Christians don't want to be associated with those groups. Now piss off.

Re:Why? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653423)

Westboro Baptist Church is a false flag operation.

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653397)

And abortion bombers have killed all of six people in the entire history of their violence. The WBC hasn't killed anybody. Let me know when they fly planes into buildings, or put bombs in their underwear or shoes. Let me know when they shoot up a military base or try to blow up time square. Let me know when they shoot up a school in Nigeria, executing those who refuse to convert. I'm an atheist but at least I can acknowledge that not all religion is equally harmful. When you have 10% 1.5 billion people saying violence against the kuffar is perfectly acceptable, you have a much bigger problem.

Re:Why? (1, Insightful)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | about a year ago | (#44653513)

If you think Al Qaida is bad, check out how many people Bush's wars have killed in the name of the American God...

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653403)

You realize, that Muslim extremists are to Islam what the Westboro Baptist Church, Tripura, Assam, Odisha, anti-abortion bombers, and Hutaree are for Christianity, right? Sickening examples that leave the majority just as disgusted as you, the outside observer.

Let's just shut this BULLSHIT argument down right here!

Many of the fringe organizations that you cite are NOT violent. Westboro tries to incite stuff but has yet to hurt anyone. They are also very small groups, not large groups or global organizations. But, most important of all, when there is a bombing or other event by one of these "Christian" groups, the city of Rome does not erupt in celebration. The moderate and devout Christians always denounce the activity and no one celebrates in the streets. But, when a Muslim individual does something and the opportunity is there for the moderates to publicly denounce the action, Al Jazeera is broadcasting thousands in the streets celebrating the "great victory" by the martyr, clerics are publicly supporting the action.

The Muslim "Bible" calls for violence and the Muslim people accept it. The same is NOT true of Christians.

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653439)

The big difference is that the Quran says to be violent, while the New Testament says to be peaceful. It's obvious that the typical Muslim, like the typical Christian, is not a murderous loon, but a to-the-letter Quran follower would be violent, while a to-the-letter Bible follower would be peaceful. To put it another way, a peaceful Muslim is as hypocritical as a hateful or violent Christian.

Re:Why? (4, Informative)

Bongo (13261) | about a year ago | (#44653507)

It is about numbers. You can read books by Muslim women talking about what they see as dominant trends in their culture, in places like Egypt, Gaza, and where Islamic culture spreads to Europe and America. It isn't as simple as "extremists are a tiny minority". I also see it personally with friends who come from Muslim families -- despite being born in the West, they cannot extricate themselves from the old culture without being completely ostracised from their family. Many would rather conform than leave. And to do it they'll live a double life. Anyway like I say, read what Moslem women like Nonie Darwish, Ghazal Omid, Qanta Ahmed.

A sample from Darwish: "We often hear that “moderate” Muslims are the majority and that terrorist supporters are a minority fringe group. However, when genuine Islamic moderate leaders stand firm against terrorism, we do not see majority Muslim support for their views. To the contrary, such “moderates” shout the speakers down, condemn, and threaten them."

Anyway this is a separate point to racial profiling by security services.

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653219)

It's called imperialism.

When an entire country declares that non-members are subhuman johnny-foreigners who deserve death, and the "moderate" citizens of that country tacitly allow that, it's bad enough.

But it's even worse when that country places the "holy" duty of detection of terrorism on all its citizens to go out and literally wage war against johnny foreigners.

You reap what you sow.

Re:Why? (4, Informative)

jcr (53032) | about a year ago | (#44653229)

Didn't read the article, did you?

The author's not a muslim, and even if he had been, his treatment was asinine.

-jcr

Re:Why? (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44653231)

It's not an entire religion. It's pig fucking bastards that twist their religion to make it look as if they are heroes if they fuck pigs or whatever other thing they want to do, even if their religion specificly tells them not to fuck pigs. We just blame it on their religion because it's not ours and we conveniently forget that there are evil bastards that use our religion as an excuse for their acts of evil.

Re:Why? (4, Insightful)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about a year ago | (#44653243)

... when they came for the hindus, I said nothing.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653429)

Brilliant

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | about a year ago | (#44653267)

The feeling he describes, from lost security and violation of personal rights by security officers, police and flight company -- it's terror.

Just because of a false positive, and because people don't know the difference between a Hindu/Indian and a Muslim/Pakistani, and are "too smart" to ask directly.

I wonder how many more false positives like this happen, with similarly Kafkaesque stories and no satisfactory conclusion (compensation for raiding the wrong home, anyone?).

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653277)

How did he know the men in his house were "large?"
hmmmm...

Re:Why? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653347)

How did he know the men in his house were "large?"

They tried on his sweaters and stretched the head-holes.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653329)

Holy crap is that biased. You can find equally offensive passages in all of the Abrahamic faiths. And a lot of other faiths, too, for that matter. You just choose to ignore those passages.

It makes me sad to hear these comments... but in the decades to come, things should improve.

If you want dumb comments, go for funny... don't fly during Ramadan... because red-eyes are the best, but that means you fast all day and then gotta eat airline food, blegh.

Re:Why? (4, Insightful)

Jason Levine (196982) | about a year ago | (#44653387)

So he's guilty of the crime of "flying while Muslim"?

Oh wait... He's Hindu.

So he's guilty of the crime of "flying while having a name that someone thinks sounds Muslim."

Airport Security: Just when you think they've gone as low as they can go, they dig deep and go lower! Congrats TSA (and other agencies since home searching isn't something the TSA does) for continually coming in below our already lowered our expectations.

Re:Why? (1)

TCQuad (537187) | about a year ago | (#44653453)

It's called jihad.

When an entire religion blah blah blah

Among the major flaws in your argument:

He then asked, “What is your religion?”

"I’m Hindu."

He's not Muslim. He just looked like he conceivably might be due to his skin color and his decision to skip breakfast before going to the airport.

I have a simple fix (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653157)

He should change his name
to "Bob Robertson", and gain 50lbs.

Re:I have a simple fix (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year ago | (#44653173)

He could also talk about how bad the pinkos and commies are while he's standing in line.

That's the level of our average American at the moment. It'll get worse as we phase out education.

Must have googled for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653161)

backpacks to carry luggage on the flight.

So, no evidence then? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653167)

Here's an idea: stop believing that an invisible sky Daddy is out there watching over you and protecting you. If he can't even make sure you get on a plane, he's not that great, eh?

Re:So, no evidence then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653251)

Hindus believe that an invisible sky Daddy is out there watching over you and protecting you?

This better not become common... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653169)

Have you or your significant other sent any communications that didn't support the NSA mass surveillance state? Because that happened to David Miranda recently.

Re:This better not become common... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653321)

That happened in the UK. That couldn't happen in the US. The US world have to inform him of his

[puts on sunglasses]

Miranda rights!

shaking (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653175)

fear was why you were shaking

Re:shaking (5, Insightful)

Somebody Is Using My (985418) | about a year ago | (#44653357)

Actually, the after-effects from a surge adrenalin was why he was shaking.

Admittedly, caused by the "fight or flight" reflex triggered by the fear engendered by the abusive of authority administered upon his person.

Its literally his body and muscles, all hyped up to run but having no escape, trembling as it releases all that energy and tension to return to normal functioning.

Remember when "fear of flying" used to be about the planes crashing?

Re:shaking (4, Insightful)

stewsters (1406737) | about a year ago | (#44653437)

Or more terminologically correct, "Terror".

Terrorism:
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion.

Terrorist:
A person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

So really, you, like Miranda last week, had a run in with terrorists and lived.

[transit] (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653177)

first transit to another country first LoL

Umm... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653195)

What the fuck does TFA have to do with flying during Ramadan?

Re:Umm... (1)

Dins (2538550) | about a year ago | (#44653339)

Umm, he was flying during the last week of ramadan? It's mentioned a couple times in TFA, which, contrary to the great /. tradition I did in fact read. And it was a good read, actually, but scary. This government is out of control.

Re:Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653345)

Because his skin is brown, and he hadn't had any breakfast.

Why they did it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653201)

That's easy. They are expanding the business of government, one small step at a time, same as it's been since the dawn of coercive authority (which of course was "invented" in the animal kingdom, i.e. well before we evolved into the "civilized" human beings of today).

Other side of the story? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653215)

I would like very much to hear the other side of this story; I've fly for business during, even still during ramadan. When I have a layover, I use the airport chapel; there is one at almost every major airport in America. Most are interfaith though DIA I think is very catholic, but the religious leader there was polite. LAX has, as far as I looked, none, but the counter person at their frequent flyer lounge let me in so I could pray privately.

Re:Other side of the story? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653415)

The other side of the story is that a brown guy declined to go through the scanner, and set the explosives detector beeping.

Evidence? (-1, Troll)

ElementOfDestruction (2024308) | about a year ago | (#44653227)

So we're reposting Fan Fiction now? He missed a flight, got in trouble at work, and made up an elaborate story about Americans hating Brown People so he missed his flight. What happened to any kind of evidence? We castigate the Religious because they don't waste time with "Facts" - but look how quickly we jump on the bandwagon when it's something we believe in.

Re:Evidence? (1)

Dr_Barnowl (709838) | about a year ago | (#44653263)

Aside from anything else, he was flying to go on vacation, so you're not really wasting very much time with "Facts" yourself, are you?

Re:Evidence? (2)

Ardyvee (2447206) | about a year ago | (#44653279)

The issue here is that unless somebody is willing to talk to the airline, check phone records, ask family and somehow get lucky in obtaining all that information (good luck trying to verify this story with any of the three letter agencies), there is just no evidence whatsoever anybody could ever present about this. And this is a more important issue than whether or not it indeed happened.

Re:Evidence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653289)

I doubt that anyone could make this story up.

Re:Evidence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653313)

> He missed a flight, got in trouble at work, and made up an elaborate story about Americans hating Brown People so he missed his flight.

Is this a joke? How could you possibly know that?

Re:Evidence? (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | about a year ago | (#44653315)

He missed a flight, got in trouble at work, and made up an elaborate story about Americans hating Brown People so he missed his flight. What happened to any kind of evidence?

Since when is the testimony of a witness not evidence?

Re:Evidence? (3, Insightful)

RoTNCoRE (744518) | about a year ago | (#44653395)

I think opening a newspaper recently, and following anything happening regarding the NSA, Snowden, Manning, Greenwald, etc. might provide you with some circumstantial evidence that would indicate that the scenario described is plausible. Hell, even if it isn't true, I'm angry that things have gotten to the point that I can believe it. Further, now that Clapper has gone in front Congress and been caught lying without repercussions, even a flat denial from officials doesn't cut it for me anymore. This is a problem for our now seemingly nominal democracy. I heard a great line from Ron Paul - I may misquote: "The truth becomes treason in an empire of lies". We're there.

What if he was white? Need evidence then? (1)

grimJester (890090) | about a year ago | (#44653503)

There are heaps of news stories daily that are just first hand accounts. Only when the person telling the story is non-white do we see demands for evidence.

Are you muslim? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653245)

Are you muslim? If you are, go talk to some of the individuals in your community who advocate Sharia and plot to murder people. Tell those people to start treating others with respect. Tell them to live and let live. Maybe if they get the message you'll start getting more respect.

Freedom to travel (5, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | about a year ago | (#44653247)

On hallmark of a civilized democratic society is the freedom to travel. One way to insure that a populous remains subservient and ignorant is to limit travel. This is because it limits experiences. For instance, if kids stay in the square couple miles that define their neighborhood, they may never learn there are other options, and that people do live in luxury. I recall attending a summer retreat with a guy from the Texas valley and how surprised he was at how big the houses were in around the the retreat. This is why many high school will encourage students to go away for college, which I agree with unless it imposes huge debts.

In any case, while the argument can be made he could have driven or taken the bus instead of flown, and so travel is not infringed, there are cases when air travel is the only viable option. Therefore the security theater that has popped up over the past decade can only be construed as an attack on our right to travel, and, along with the job creation program called military action and surveillance, transform us into a citizenry whose ability to grow and become education is much less that the previous generation.

Re:Freedom to travel (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653399)

Maybe before there was communication for everyone this was true. But I can know about other places by reading first-hand accounts, etc.

But good job trying to sensationalize!

Don't fly. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653275)

This is what I don't get about people these days.

None of you are willing to sacrifice ANYTHING or inflict ANY kind of inconvenience upon yourself to deal with the issues that need to be dealt with. You just sit there and whine and complain about everything, you make up excuses from thin air and say you've got no choice. Well, news flash, you do.

You want to get rid of the TSA?

Don't fly.

It's that simple. No, don't tell me you have to. You don't. You get enough people together and you all refuse to fly until the TSA is dismantled, and you know what'll happen? The airlines will get things changed in a hurry and the TSA will evaporate in a puff of invalid logic. It's that simple!

"Oh but it isn't and I have no choice and I need to fly and-"...

Yeah, that right there, that's the reason why the TSA still exists. You're unwilling to inconvenience yourself. None of you are. So the TSA will continue to inconvenience you instead, because they've got you by the balls (sometimes literally) and they know it. They'll continue to squeeze and squeeze, they'll expand out into the rest of the world like a cancerous tumor and then, when you find yourself in a police state and the TSA controls all major forms of travel- you'll wonder why you didn't do something sooner.

The fact that you think you have no choice is precisely what they want you to think, because that is what gives them control over you.

Cue the endless stream of "I have to fly, you're wrong, if I wish really hard I'm sure the TSA will go away all the same" replies.

Just fuck the fucking Muzzies already (-1, Flamebait)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year ago | (#44653287)

So we have a sob story from a Muzzie who is upset about being delayed. News for you - if you stopped trying to take bombs on planes, murdering people, flying planes into buildings then we wouldn't need to check you. I'm sure that the people who had to leap from the WTC would love to have only been delayed in travel. If it were up to me none of you would be allowed on a plane again.

Re:Just fuck the fucking Muzzies already (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653325)

He's a Hindu. Not a "Muzzie".

Moron

Re:Just fuck the fucking Muzzies already (-1, Flamebait)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year ago | (#44653373)

He's a Hindu. Not a "Muzzie".

That's a shame then, a case of mistaken identity. Unfortunately this sort of thing happens occasionally, but it is the Muzzes to blame not the authorities defending against them.

Re:Just fuck the fucking Muzzies already (1)

tibit (1762298) | about a year ago | (#44653385)

1. He's not muslim, you blathering idiot.
2. He's not taking bombs on planes, nor murdering anyone, nor flying anything into buildings. He'd be dead by now.
3. If things were up to you, taken to their logical conclusion, Your Holiness would be the last person standing on this planet.

I mean, come on, how fucking stupid can you get? You win the stupid for today.

Re:Just fuck the fucking Muzzies already (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653471)

So we have a sob story from a Muzzie who is upset about being delayed.

Actually, we have a sob story from a Hindu who is upset about being delayed. Moron.

ddos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653291)

I tried to access the site, but it looks like its getting DDOSed. Its probably the NSA trying to cover something up. Only way get through is to be persistent! Refresh button here I come!

Don't fly during Ramadan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653295)

WTF. The title should be "don't use bedbug spray before your flight, and fail to mention it when you trigger the bomb detector."

Sand niggers gonna nig (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653303)

Dune coons gonna coon.

God bless America, good bye Osamas.

Shock (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653319)

Sounds like he was in shock.

Hrmm.. Anonymous post from Generic Muslim (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653333)

Anonymous story from generic muslim about some so-called horror story that supposedly happened... with very little to no evidence that any of the things in this story ever actually happened. But just because the so-called victim prays to be violated by mohammed in paradise it makes the front page of Slashdot (where atheists claim to have so much authority althought they cower in fear from muslims and only bash Christians who they know are actually civilized).

  Meanwhile, there are documented cases of regular people who aren't connected to terrorism being harrassed at airports.. and those stories have proof to back them up. If this story isn't a made-up fantasy to provide filler for Algore's new "final solution".. uh I mean "Al Jazeera US" channel.. then I say: It's about damn time the TSA started focusing on the types of people who actually commit terrorism instead of treating the entire U.S. like a bunch of criminals.

That odd emotion... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653355)

That strange emotion he felt is actually the natural reaction of a free person to the hand of tyranny. Don't worry, before long we will all get the chance to feel it, as have the owners of Lavabit and Groklaw have in recent days.

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste". Yes, the jihadists are out there. The terrorists are out there. But how this society and this government chooses to react to it, tells you all you need to know about who we as a people really are, and what we have become. If the true purpose of terrorism it to cause the victim to live in fear and change their behavior, it sure seems that, by any reasonable standard, the terrorists have won a stunning victory.

Explosives Residue (5, Interesting)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year ago | (#44653369)

If somebody tested positive for explosives residue going through airport security I'd be suspicious too.

The problem here is the level of expertise of the people responding to this situation. It's like these people are DMV rejects. They do not have the training or even basic knowledge needed to deal with this situation AT ALL.

the plural of anecdote is not data (0)

gelfling (6534) | about a year ago | (#44653425)

Scream all you like, generally speaking 99 out of a hundred of you would actually prefer living in Evil Great Satan-istan than among the peaceful peaceloving people of peace and tolerance of the Muslim world.

just leave. (1, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | about a year ago | (#44653455)

the only crime here is the gentleman indulged these assholes for more than three hours in a groundless invasion of his privacy and freedom of religion in the pursuit of domestic travel. shit like 'how many times do you pray' and 'did you eat breakfast' are pointless.
and that cold feeling? thats called physical exhaustion. low blood sugar , blood pressure and high stress.
unless chimeracoder feels like pressing charges or hiring an attorney though, which im sure the TSA would clearly apreciate if he didnt, its just another story of a government agency that glad-hands people into submitting to pointless unlawful detention based on skin color. Use your instincts. refuse full body scans and opt for public pat-down. if thats not an offer, refuse private pat-down and leave. Sure, you may be detained or arrested by police as a matter of policy, but its seriously unlikely you'll face or be convicted of any misdemeanor or criminal charge.

The sheer level of ignorance (4, Interesting)

barlevg (2111272) | about a year ago | (#44653457)

This reminded me of last year's massacre [wikipedia.org] at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, where the gunman thought he was attacking a mosque. Not that Muslims deserve to be targeted for hate crimes and unconstitutional detention any more than non-Muslims, but detaining a Hindu on suspicion of being a radical Muslim [wikipedia.org] ? It would be like detaining an Episcopalian on suspicion of being an IRA terrorist. After all, Whitey all looks the same...

Some interesting bits in TFA (5, Informative)

dkleinsc (563838) | about a year ago | (#44653461)

Another agent came over and handed me a paper slip

Notice that he's already receiving different treatment, despite absolutely zero evidence that he's any kind of threat to anyone.

“You can leave, but I’m keeping your bag.”

Something that would have been interesting to try at this point: "Ok, then. I presume there's a procedure for handling bags you've collected in this fashion, let's fill out the necessary paperwork and do everything by the book, and I'll need to be kept informed about which office to contact for retrieving such evidence once you've discovered that there's nothing criminal about it."

“What is your religion?”

This whole line of questioning is so obviously in violation of the Free Exercise clause it's not even funny.

orly? (0, Flamebait)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year ago | (#44653475)

"wondering when they had done it, wondering why they had done it"
Really? You can't quite crack that mystery? Because you were suspicious and too many things added together to make you look like a terrorist. If you think they check someone's house because of race, you're an idiot. There's more to it than that. They take travel history into account, where and how you bought your ticket, your criminal history, your communication history, what type of cell phone you're using, what you're wearing, how many bags you checked. I could go on but hopefully you get it. You set off one too many flags in the system. Deal with it.

I've Felt That Feeling (5, Insightful)

Jason Levine (196982) | about a year ago | (#44653493)

I've felt that feeling to a much smaller degree when I found out that my identity was stolen and a credit card was opened in my name. We go about our lives confident that some things are safe. When we leave the house/apartment in the morning, we're confident that everything will be there when we get back. When we walk down the street, we're confident that our body won't be violated by some random stranger. When we go about our daily lives, we're confident that someone isn't - at that moment - opening lines of credit that will financially ruin us.

We're confident about all this because the alternative is living in terror of assaults from all angles at every second and there's no way a sane mind could deal with this.

So we convince ourselves that we (and our belongings, credit, loved ones, etc) are safe.

And then something like this happens which shatters our illusion of safety. Mine was a bit abstract (your credit score isn't exactly a physical entity) and was caught early so the impact wasn't as big. The author's impact was worse because his body safety illusion was shattered, his concept of having the freedom to move as he pleased was destroyed, and the safety of his personal effects was violated. Rape victims probably feel something similar. We don't really have a word that accurately describes it because it isn't a feeling we feel often enough.

Oh and if you think you don't have an illusion of safety because you've read stories like this and know it can happen - you're wrong. Even though you read the stories, part of your brain rationalizes away the terror of the situation as "things that happen to other people" and you maintain your internal safety illusion until something like this happens.

Real reason for war on terror: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44653501)

Terrorizing people is what governments do; can't let private organizations go and grab a piece of the action.

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