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Netflix, Youtube Surpass 50% Mark of Internet Traffic

Unknown Lamer posted 1 year,15 days | from the reading-is-hard dept.

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First time accepted submitter sqorbit writes "Netflix and Youtube are gaining ground not only on the competition, such as Amazon, but also over peer-to-peer file sharing. Netflix claims more than 30 million customers and believes it could double that number in the future. Traffic from Netflix and Youtube amounted to over 50% of Internet traffic in September. Meanwhile Bittorrent traffic is down slightly (7.4% from 10%) in Internet traffic compared to last year. Could more people be satisfied with current video offerings or are less people finding useful things to download via file sharing?"

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Happy Monday from The Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396355)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

Bing Crosby (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396357)

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas
Everywhere you go
There's a tree in the Grand Hotel
One in my ASS as well
The sturdy kind that doesn't mind the smellll!!!

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas...

Re:Bing Crosby (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396411)

Get psychiatric help.

Re:Bing Crosby (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396445)

fuck you troll!!! I think people who lack a sense of humor are the ones who need a psychiatrist!

Re:Bing Crosby (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397225)

Come on, that was pretty funny.

Build it (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396359)

... and they will come.

Re:Build it (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396661)

As my boss reminds me: give a 110%. All the percentages must go up!

Re:Build it (4, Insightful)

c0lo (1497653) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396705)

As my boss reminds me: give a 110%. All the percentages must go up!

No, not all. For instance: the percentage of increase for wages - those must go down, India's waiting.

Re:Build it (1)

TheResilientFarter (3216187) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396663)

Yep. Torrents are for porn.

Re:Build it (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397245)

The Internet is for porn.

Re:Build it (2)

reub2000 (705806) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397407)

The tube sites have everyone covered for a few millenniums worth of porn. Who needs torrents?

Re:Build it (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397617)

Low quality shit-clips. For those of discerning taste, torrents are the way to go.

Re:Build it (2)

Chalnoth (1334923) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397615)

Yup. But sadly, I imagine the movie studios will take away the opposite conclusion: that their anti-piracy efforts are working.

The thing about relative measures... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396373)

Could more people be satisfied with current video offerings or are less people finding useful things to download via file sharing?

Or is it something that's not a false dichotomy? An increase in Netflix, YouTube traffic will result in a decrease in the amount of bittorrent traffic in terms of percent, even if absolute usage remains the same. Likewise, a decrease in bittorrent traffic will lead to higher percentages for Netflix and YouTube. That doesn't indicate (or rule out) a relationship between the two (i.e. leaving bittorrent behind for Netflix) except in that it is a relative measure.

Less torrent traffic (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396387)

Or less torrent traffic you can track?

Survival of the fittest...

Hoarders (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396395)

Could more people be satisfied with current video offerings or are less people finding useful things to download via file sharing?
 
Could be that most download hoarders are finally coming to their senses that out of the 250gigs of MP3s they've downloaded they're really only listening to about 2gigs worth? That's my guess... that and the fact that you can only beat off so many times a year so having 65 days of pr0n doesn't make much sense either.
 
Or maybe it's people who've gotten sick of downloading 5 gigs worth of an e-book collection for a single book that's about 6 dollars on Amazon.
 
I know tons of people who've done the bit torrent stockpiling and I've never seen any of them come close to using a double digit percentage of what they've ripped off. It's like the people who get the high end NetFlix package and rip the discs and return them the next day. How many of those discs never get watched? My guess is a ton of them never see the tray of a DVD player.

Re:Hoarders (5, Insightful)

FlyHelicopters (1540845) | 1 year,15 days | (#45396459)

Regarding the DVD ripping, I tried that back when Blockbuster had the "unlimited rentals with in store exchange" deal going on.

They would mail you 3 DVDs, then you would rip them, drop them off at the store the next day and they would give you 3 in store rentals for free in exchange, while at the same time mailing you 3 more.

When it first came out, they didn't wait for the in-store rentals to be returned before mailing the next set of discs. They changed that at some point.

So you could get up to 12 movies a week if you were swapping them every 3 days or so.

After a few months, I had several TB of hard drive space full of movies that... frankly weren't likely to ever be watched.

Then Blu-Ray came out, and the quality there was good enough that it made the ripped copies look like crap. I ended up deleting them. That was a LOT of hours of time wasted.

So yea, the idea that I'll have this huge horde ended up being rather silly. Now I just put the PS3 or Ruku on and stream more content than I will ever have time to watch and life is good.

Amazon Prime Video, Netflix, and Hulu Plus might not be perfect, they each have their own issues, they don't have "everything", but boy, they sure have enough stuff to keep my family busy most of the time.

Re:Hoarders (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396947)

Then Blu-Ray came out, and the quality there was good enough that it made the ripped copies look like crap. I ended up deleting them. That was a LOT of hours of time wasted.

You should have invested your time in porn, it doesn't have these issues. Once released in crap resolution, it almost always stays there. No rereleases, no bluray upgrades for older titles, and George Lucas doesn't even insert CGI in Star Wars XXX.

Re:Hoarders (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397273)

Posting as AC since I don't want the CISPA to allow a newly minted Ministry Of Copyrights to send their secret police in the near future....

I've stored over a thousand movies either from direct ripping, or downloading good encodes. I have found that on demand (Netflix) does not have a whole lot going in the movie categories. As a result, I have been watching movies again from my archives. I simply refuse to shell out a couple of bucks each time I want to watch something. Fuck them, I paid to see it in the movie theater, I paid to get the DVD copy, how much blood do they want to siphon off me? So, yes, I do store movies to watch them again, or watch them later on with friends and family. Some stuff is just classic.

It just became a way of life to never ever watch the DVD. In fact, the advertisements and POU's pissed me off so fucking much, I had to rip it first. Actually paying for it (Around 30-40% of my collection are purchases) and being told, "No. You can't skip anything here. Sit down. STFU. Watch the previews".

Right after I had the physical medium in hand I put it in my system, fired up DVD Decrypter, and made an image of the disc to be mounted afterwards and played. Plenty of media players like the WD TV Live will play an .iso file replete with DVD menus.

I don't feel that any of the time has been wasted at all. My collection is nearing 100 TB. At this point I rarely use Netflix for anything other than watching TV shows. That's it's real value to me. TV shows with no advertisements or overlays. I can wait a year till the last season is available.

The biggest failure of Big Entertainment is continuing this greedy war. My offer still stands. I will pay upwards of $50 a month for on-demand viewing of TV shows with ZERO advertisements of any kind. Any other deal they can go fuck themselves with a cactus.

P.S - I still do a brisk business with the DVDs by mail. After I download a good encode for a movie I queue it up on Netflix and quite often never take it out the package when I receive it. I'm sending them back as quick as I get them. Netflix for me is way to compensate the artists.

Re:Hoarders (5, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396591)

When the commercial outlets drop something out of existence you want due to low demand, you will thank the so-called 'hoarders'.

Re:Hoarders (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396683)

Probably not because most of them have no idea what 95% of what they even have and next to none of them share their collection for any period of time. It's cute that you're acting like today's bit torrent hoarder is tomorrows librarian but it's simply not true.
 
Oh, and while I do have a fairly sizable music collection that is 100% RIAA legal, I'm really not going to get upset about not being able to get my hands on some obscure Benny Carter live set from 1957. My life is a bit more about what producing or at least interacting than it is about consumption.
 
My far reaching hope is that since media surrounds us people will lose interest in it. I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen but given the circumstances it's the most I can hope for.

Re:Hoarders (4, Interesting)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397001)

I was a hoarder. For me, I guess what happened was that my broadband capacity finally reached a point in which I feel comfortable with stuff being in the cloud. If I wanted to watch Star Trek six years ago on my 800Kbps connection, I'd have to torrent every episode. Then I'd burn discs because, in case I wanted to watch again, I didn't want to go through the trouble of redownloading everything - it took days. Now Netflix and Youtube mean that a lot of what I want is permanently (and readily, thanks to a 35Mbps connection) available and I have no reason to hoard anymore, so my torrenting has decreased a lot. Steam sales and Humble Bundles also meant I have essentially stopped pirating (except for good titles with annoying DRM, like Bioshock 2) - I just give it a year of two for games to come to a reasonable price and leave my library on the cloud. I think that's what happened to a lot of people - and, in third world countries, quite recently.

Re:Hoarders (1)

hodet (620484) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397029)

I don't get digital horders. I have a friend who has TB's and TB's of downloaded crap saved on DVD's and USB Hard drives. Why? He will never watch a fraction of this stuff. All those drives aren't cheap either. I have a $7.99 netflix account and can watch reruns of Star Trek TNG (or thousands of other things) if I feel like it. All at the tip of my fingers 24x7. No need to download 7 season's, and the interface on Netflix is much easier then dicking around with finding an episode you may want to watch three years from now. To each his own I guess.

Re:Hoarders (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397265)

I don't get digital horders. I have a friend who has TB's and TB's of downloaded crap saved on DVD's and USB Hard drives. Why? He will never watch a fraction of this stuff. All those drives aren't cheap either. I have a $7.99 netflix account and can watch reruns of Star Trek TNG (or thousands of other things) if I feel like it. All at the tip of my fingers 24x7. No need to download 7 season's, and the interface on Netflix is much easier then dicking around with finding an episode you may want to watch three years from now. To each his own I guess.

To play devil's advocate: Netflix's stock got cut by 80% after a couple of stupid corporate decisions. What if they hadn't reversed those decisions and turned their company around?

Having 7 seasons on storage you own and control gives you the problem of backing them up. But it guarantees that they'll be forever available, even after the latest cloud service has gone tits-up due to its own incompetence, been bought out by the MAFIAA, or throttled into oblivion as collateral damage in some war between the cable companies and the telephone companies.

Some content will never be released on DVD or Blu-Ray or NetFlix. 50 years from now, something as "eternal" as ST:TNG may be as unavailable as whatever show ran opposite the Lawrence Welk show (or whatever it was my grandparents used to watch 70 years ago.)

Re:Hoarders (5, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397319)

As a "hoarder", I've documented my collection pretty well. I never burn anything to DVD's or USB hard drives. Everything is networked and available to all devices.

It's about saving the really classic stuff. The real jewels of my collection are all the Disney and Looney Tunes cartoons. Stuff that is just not available on market today due their outright greed and insane copyright mentality. Some of the collections like M*A*S*H I ripped direct from the DVDs themselves.

The real value of my collection? At some point in the future the stuff I have, while classic, will not be readily available. My collection, nearing triple digit TB's, will be easily duplicated and shared.

My cartoon collection alone is very hard to come by. My younger relatives love to be able to watch Donald Duck and his nephews. Sadly, Disney being the douchenozzles they are have adamantly refused to share those cartoons with today's children.

Re:Hoarders (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397583)

I might not have a large enough collection to qualify as a "hoarder" for this thread, but personally, I use BitTorrent instead of NetFlix because it is way easier. If I want to watch something, I just open up the file on my computer and hit play (I have a folder named "tv" with a folder for each show; it's not a complicated scheme to maintain and episodes are easy to find). If I want to watch something on an airplane or at a friend's place, I just have to copy it to a computer or flash drive and I'm all set; I don't have to worry about internet connectivity.

Re:Hoarders (1)

WaffleMonster (969671) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397511)

Could be that most download hoarders are finally coming to their senses that out of the 250gigs of MP3s they've downloaded they're really only listening to about 2gigs worth? That's my guess

Your a fool if you only listen to 2gigs worth of MP3's you'll end up hating all of your favorite songs before the year is out.

Re:Hoarders (2)

fafalone (633739) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397571)

As a hoarder, my downloading has slowed down quite a bit. I've downloaded every TV show and movie I'd ever be interested in watching, in HD if available. Now the only downloading I do is new episodes or new movies (and of course when something I like comes out higher quality). I am indeed quite satisfied with my 10TBs of 281 movies and 82 full series.

But streaming/pay services for video in their current form will never see a penny from me. For the way I consume media, their shortcomings are a deal breaker:
  • Streaming is wholly unacceptable since it requires an internet connection. Offline viewing, and viewing without "buffering..." if it drops out for a minute, is important. Even "1080p" streams are noticeably worse than actual Blurays (and 12gb rips for that matter). Streaming should be AN option, not the only one.
  • Permanent copies in a non-DRM'd format are still not the norm for movies/tv. They haven't learned from music.
  • There's no excuse for such poor selections and different services offering different things. It's a blatant example of corporate greed preventing what consumers want.
  • So are all types of geographic limitations/delays.
  • Even more infuriating is when items available are removed from the service. And when the service itself up and shuts down.

None of these are limits of technology, and all of these are why legit offerings can't compete with illegal ones, regardless of price. Fix all of those, and add what is lacking in pirated sources (bonus materials, dl speed on some stuff, ease of access), and you'll find that like audio, legit video can also successfully compete with free.

26 percent != "slightly" (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396397)

26% drop in torrent traffic is significant, not "slight".

Re:26 percent != "slightly" (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397235)

It's not a drop in torrent traffic, it's a drop in percentage. It could have gone up on an absolute scale, but if the total grew faster, then the percentage that it occupies still goes down.

Re:26 percent != "slightly" (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397437)

That makes perfect sense. mod me oblivious and you cognizant.

Thanks Google (4, Interesting)

Powercntrl (458442) | 1 year,15 days | (#45396399)

I was indifferent about YouTube until it inexplicably linked itself to my Gmail account and now wants me to create a Google+ page in order to comment on videos. Now, I'd like nothing more to see it go up in flames, like a Tesla that hit some road debris.

Re:Thanks Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396457)

YouTube comments don't even show up anymore on my Firefox 3.x... YouTube is now much much more pleasant to watch. I don't even have an account, I just bookmark the channels I'm most interested in and visit them for new videos when I'm in the mood.

Re:Thanks Google (2)

Rick Zeman (15628) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396685)

I was indifferent about YouTube until it inexplicably linked itself to my Gmail account and now wants me to create a Google+ page in order to comment on videos. Now, I'd like nothing more to see it go up in flames, like a Tesla that hit some road debris.

I compensated for that by deleting my YouTube channel account. I encourage every one else to do the same.

Re:Thanks Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396917)

I was indifferent about YouTube until it inexplicably linked itself to my Gmail account and now wants me to create a Google+ page in order to comment on videos. Now, I'd like nothing more to see it go up in flames, like a Tesla that hit some road debris.

I compensated for that by deleting my YouTube channel account. I encourage every one else to do the same.

All of youtube needs to be deleted.

Re:Thanks Google (1)

EdIII (1114411) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397361)

Don't just delete your account. That does nothing.

TRANSFER ALL OF IT TO VIMEO OR AN EQUIVALENT

One of the biggest things that pisses me off is that I had to deal with the absolute suck that is the YouTube API and develop automated content creation and BI platforms that used YouTube. Google (surprise it has something to do with OAUTH) deprecated YouTube API v2. Now you have zero ability to fully automate anything with YouTube.

Why did I have to do this in the first place? Businesses are under the impression that YouTube is the only brand out there and they have to use it to create their presence

The more people that start using a YouTube equivalent the better. .... ...

Of course it will just repeat itself all over at Vimeo some day. Don't marketers and execs fuck up everything at some point?

Re:Thanks Google (5, Informative)

Forever Wondering (2506940) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396689)

Sounds like you're logged into gmail when you go to youtube.

Logout [of gmail] first [possibly clearing some cookies] and you'll have no problem. I have a gmail account [but I only access it through POP3/IMAP from thunderbird--thus, it's never logged in] and I don't have the same problem. I did have the same problem one time when I was logged into gmail.

If you'd rather not logout/login on gmail repeatedly, you can create a separate browser profile [Firefox, at least] for youtube, etc.

Re:Thanks Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397007)

There is a way around it. I managed to do it, but I don't remember how. It keeps trying to make me use my Google+ one though. Google is going to burn themselves. You can't push your agenda on your users. They can and will not participate.

Re:Thanks Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397141)

For the past couple of years, everything that the major tech companies have done, has been done for their own benefit rather than to provide value to their users. Nobody asked Apple for iOS 7. Nobody asked Microsoft for Metro on desktop PCs. Nobody asked Google to 'integrate' YouTube and Google Plus and GMail and God knows what else.

Eventually this behavior is going to catch up with these major companies. All it will take are some good alternatives, and markets excel at providing alternatives.

Re:Thanks Google (4, Interesting)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397215)

Out of curiosity, why does it bother you? I consider it a great feature (the single account, not the nagging). I don't imagine it makes much of a difference to Google one way or the other with respect to information collection.

Re:Thanks Google (1)

Hokan (11666) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397501)

Wow, Google must be really desperate to get people onto it's failing social media (g+) platform.

It's kind of odd, they haven't tried such measures for their earlier social media failures. And especially odd because, till now, YouTube was a social media success!

Amazon Prime Video / Netflix / Hulu - Good Enough (5, Insightful)

FlyHelicopters (1540845) | 1 year,15 days | (#45396409)

To be honest, I'll admit that a few years ago, I was a frequent user of The Pirate Bay.

Now? For less than $25 a month, I have Amazon Prime Videos, Netflix, and Hulu Plus. They provide me with, more or less, all the video content I really want. (and more than I could ever watch)

There are shows and movies that come and go from these services that I'd *like* to have, but there is so much to watch, I can't be bothered to pirate them anymore.

So finally the media companies are offering a legal service that is approaching *good enough* status. It isn't perfect and yes, there are features we don't have yet that can be had with a pirate copy, but at some point it gets close enough that my time is worth more than messing with it. For the cost of 2 movie tickets a month, we have endless things to watch (and not nearly enough time to watch them all, my "to watch list keeps growing").

I currently have DirecTV in my home, cost is about $100 a month. I'm not quite ready to ditch it yet (because of my kids, Disney and Nick are popular in my house), but I see that day coming. The few things that we watch that aren't on Prime/Netflix/Hulu can be purchased by the episode most of the time, sooner or later, cable/satellite will be really pointless.

I'm sure for many, that day has already arrived. More and more each year are likely to cut that cord, just as they did with landlines. I cut my landline in 2005 and never looked back, so will it be with DirecTV at some point.

Re:Amazon Prime Video / Netflix / Hulu - Good Enou (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396667)

If there is one service I would probably end up using is Crunchyroll.

Re:Amazon Prime Video / Netflix / Hulu - Good Enou (1)

Scowler (667000) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396811)

Amen to that. Great service, lots of platforms, high quality, good price. Back to Bleach in a few...

Re:Amazon Prime Video / Netflix / Hulu - Good Enou (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397093)

I'll second that. I'm a heavy pirate, and the only stufff I get anymore is new movie releases and TV shows because for some incomprehensible reason, they are delayed reaching those services by weeks to over a year... or for things they don't carry in their catalog; For example, Babylon 5 is not available for instant viewing on Netflix.

For $10 a month, I've been fairly satisfied with the service; I wish the quality was better, but that is a limitation of crappy internet service that everyone in the country deals with.

Re:Amazon Prime Video / Netflix / Hulu - Good Enou (1)

EdIII (1114411) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397399)

This really speaks to the Full Retard status of Big Entertainment.

The writing has been on the wall for a long damn time, they just can't see it. Not possible for them I guess.

Netflix/Hulu/Amazon Prime is a piracy killer. What more proof do they want? If you offer a service at a reasonable price that people actually want.... surprise surprise.. people will pay the money.

I don't pirate nearly as much these days simply because of how easy (and cost effective) the alternative is now.

The price points of these services are affordable as well. Most young people that are poor with little discretionary income can afford some bandwidth at this point and $20 for Netflix.

Perhaps that's the real battle. Big Entertainment must have constant growth and increase in prices and $100+ per month simply is not going to work. At least not in this fucking economy.

Re:Amazon Prime Video / Netflix / Hulu - Good Enou (1)

amiga3D (567632) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397119)

I mostly use piratebay for downloading shows from England. Downton Abbey for my wife is one. Frankly there is more on DirectTV than I'll ever have time to watch. I can't bother streaming anything. My wife DVR's a lot of shows and occasionally I'll sit and watch one with her, mostly cooking shows or the like. Occasionally I'll watch football or baseball. Really if it wasn't for the wife and the grandkids I wouldn't miss any of it much. Game of Thrones and Justified are the only two shows I regularly watch. I've almost entirely stopped watching the news, it all pisses me off too much so why would I watch something that's just going to aggravate me? Maybe I'm just old. Get the fuck off my lawn.

Re:Amazon Prime Video / Netflix / Hulu - Good Enou (1)

FlyHelicopters (1540845) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397607)

http://www.amazon.com/Downton-Abbey-Episode-1/dp/B004KAQQ5E [amazon.com]

Amazon Prime has all of Downtown Abbey for free...

Amazon Prime is $6.58 a month, cheaper than Netflix, plus you get the benefit of free 2 day shipping with no minimum purchase to boot.

Re:Amazon Prime Video / Netflix / Hulu - Good Enou (1)

Seumas (6865) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397169)

Exactly. I can get access to more music than I'll ever care about for $5 with RDIO, and a ridiculous amount of content for $8 with Netflix. It isn't all-encompassing, but for $13 in total, it's hard to beat. And $5 for access to all the music is a hell of a lot better than the time you'd spend acquiring music from alternative sources. Same for the television shows and movie content, for that matter. When you make enough stuff available in an easy enough and accessible enough way for cheap enough, it no longer becomes beneficial for someone to skirt methods requiring payment. Go back to charging people $30 for one movie and it all goes out the window again.

1st post! (0)

johnrpenner (40054) | 1 year,15 days | (#45396421)

who needs to torrent anymore when its already all there..?

Worst post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396491)

Worst first post attempt ever. And by a 5-digit ID. Oh, the shame.

Re:1st post! (3, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396577)

1 - If you like obscure stuff, chances are its not there
2 - Many people don't like to have to be "online" just to watch or listen, or read. ( and be at the mercy of the provider and what they feel like offering this month )

Re:1st post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396731)

And if you like obscure stuff you're more likely to run into a bit torrent that has about 13% of the original content and if you're very lucky someone else might log in about once a month long enough to download an album and you'll get about another 4 percent each year. The most likely case is that no one has the entire work anymore since downloads are valued as much as newspapers are at the fish market.
 
The world's artistic works will not be restored from a bunch of ragtag torrent hoarders with desk drawers full of DVD-Rs and portable hard drives.
 
You're just another delusional downloader who wants a reason to justify their downloads. Download as much as you want, it means nothing to me but you're not the cultural trust that you think you are.

Not to worry. (3, Insightful)

jeffb (2.718) (1189693) | 1 year,15 days | (#45396435)

It won't be long before our fully-purchased representatives finish overturning the last vestiges of Network Neutrality, allowing our Rightful Owners to specify and enforce the proper balance of Internet traffic.

Re:Not to worry. (1)

Seumas (6865) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397183)

Access to an endless library of Netflix content for $8/mo, but bandwidth will cost you $10/gig. Enjoy!

Less People - Fewer People (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396439)

Can we set aside the descriptivist/prescriptivist thing long enough to just say:

YOU SOUND LIKE AN IDIOT SAYING 'LESS PEOPLE'

Really, can't the teasers at least be semi-correct?

Re:Less People - Fewer People (1)

databeast (19718) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396725)

It's not like this is one of the cases where the, the wrong version flows well enough to let it slip ("12 items or less"), it even reads awkwardly. You'd think the writer would have stopped to go 'wait, that doesn't sound right' at the very least.

Throttling (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396461)

Anyone noticing throttling for these services?

I do the speed tests and whatnot but it seems as though anything video is slower ... it's like they see a speed test and boost the bandwidth.

Netflix, Amazon, private tracker then TPB (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45396479)

Everything is accessible online - if you want my money then put your content onto a service I subscribe to. I will watch it whether or not you are paid.

Re:Netflix, Amazon, private tracker then TPB (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397037)

I do the same thing, although with the advent of all these different services I have noticed that I am downloading a lot less than I used too. I deleted probably 100GB's of files the other day because they where available for free online via streaming. I may regret it someday but for right now I have more room to download what isn't yet free or Netflixed. Some older TV shows that are probably not very popular so I turned to the pirates and they had it.

Well off to watch some Kolchak The Night Stalker on Netflix lol .

Enjoy it while you can (5, Insightful)

paiute (550198) | 1 year,15 days | (#45396517)

Dear Netflix and Youtube watcher,

Our customers have reported stuttering, loss of signal, blackouts, and insertion of pornographic images and video into their streams. We are doing everything we can to fix this problem. In the meantime you might consider upgrading to Xfinity streaming service, which we guarantee will not be hit by these glitches.

regards,

Comcast

Re:Enjoy it while you can (2)

timeOday (582209) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396859)

As a long-time Comcast customer it seems to me things are going in the other direction - better! They had a 250GB cap for a while and then gave up on it. Years ago, youtube used to stall all the time and now rarely does. Then youtube was OK but then Netflix (then Prime) always paused to buffer at least a couple times during a show, whereas now it hardly ever does. I've been a VOIP user since I think 2004 (Vonage then Ooma) and, whereas it was initially fairly embarrassing to use, the spousal complaint rate has really gone down the last couple years.

I don't think Comcast can put the cat back in the bag at this point. People just expect stuff to work. And Comcast no longer dwarfs the content providers (Google, Netflix, Amazon...) They won't lie down.

Of course YMMV, I'm curious if others still have a lot of trouble streaming video?

Re:Enjoy it while you can (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396999)

Sounds like you missed this little tidbit. [arstechnica.com]

Re:Enjoy it while you can (1)

timeOday (582209) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397115)

Ewww, I hope they don't bring back quotas in my area. I never actually exceeded the 250GB one, but the kids are watching more streaming video at higher quality all the time...

Re:Enjoy it while you can (1)

organgtool (966989) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397401)

That's good to hear since my FIOS connection has been sucking shit for YouTube videos lately. According to independent investigations done by FIOS customers who happen to be network engineers, the problem is on Verizon's end. Some people are claiming similar issues with Netflix on FIOS. I just bought an HD TV antenna and I'm going to switch to Comcast for internet since YouTube has a chance of working on their network. Seriously Verizon, what's the point of 75 Mbps down when your network is slowing down the traffic of the most popular web site to the point of making it unusable?

Re:Enjoy it while you can (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397061)

Free porn! Woo-hoo!

Piracy Jab (1)

nurb432 (527695) | 1 year,15 days | (#45396565)

Nice that was tossed in there. Screw you.

Re:Piracy Jab (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396703)

In many parts of the world young students consider torrents as equality.

The sun access and knowledge access are controlled to be inversely related.

False dilemma (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396595)

You know, there is a third option. It's called people are using Youtube and Netflix proportionally more than bittorrent. (AKA bittorrent usage has stayed the same while other services have risen in usage--raw numbers would've been more useful than percentage)

So what this really means... (1)

nurb432 (527695) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396599)

Is that people are content with watching brainless cat-videos instead of learning something.

Drool... Drool... click.. Drool.

Re:So what this really means... (1)

PlasmaEye (1128377) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397271)

Not necessarily. The MIT Open Courseware videos are hosted through Youtube. And there are some pretty good educational videos on there like the ones put together by Vsauce, SmarterEveryDay, Veritasium, and The Slow Mo Guys. I bet the majority of views on Youtube are for cat videos, but not all the videos are utter brain candy.

Re:So what this really means... (0)

Seumas (6865) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397431)

I can see you are unfamiliar with YouTube. The videos you describe sound absolutely pleasant and worthwhile, compared to the actual YouTube content.

Go watch YouTube's biggest star with the largest channel -- PewDiePie. More than 15,000,000 subscribers. Obnoxious, screeching, loud, inane Swede who calls his fans "bros" and the collective the "bro army" and pulls in something like $6,000,000 USD

This looks to be one of his most recent videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqpECat4whU [youtube.com]

This is his *own* compilation of some of his "funniest" moments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRyPjRrjS34 [youtube.com]

Basically, his "thing" is talking like he's mentally retarded, screaming at the top of his lungs for 80% of the video, and using "rape" as a nearly constant element of "comedy" (he even wrote a song called "It's Raping Time" on one of his videos).

Then there is the girl who is a millionaire from doing "makeup tutorials" and the girls who do "my haul" videos that are ridiculously popular and earn a ton of money (these are videos where they go to the mall, do some shopping, come home, and show you what they bought).

Here's another guy who is in the top 10 or 20 of all Youtube "stars" and also earns millions of dollars for it "Smosh": http://youtu.be/yFGBjXqwzbw [youtu.be]

Here's another dude who makes something like $5,000,000 -- and all he does is show other people's videos while commenting over them: http://youtu.be/MS8Dbvv5qss [youtu.be]

AnnoyingOrange makes millions, too. It's an orange with a talking mouth superimposed over it. It's the most idiotic "humor" ever. It makes Larry The Cable Guy look legitimate: http://youtu.be/EDKjywzRidI [youtu.be]

This "Tobuscus" guy makes a couple million dollars and is in the top 10-20: http://youtu.be/omGX5bleG8g [youtu.be]

Jenna Marbles is somewhere around #3 and makes around $5,000,000: http://youtu.be/FCichOcSqz0 [youtu.be]

This Joey Graceffa guy just wanders around blabbering non-stop while recording it and does something like $200k: http://youtu.be/HH74qrfbuP0 [youtu.be]

Re:So what this really means... (1)

Jeremi (14640) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397653)

Go watch YouTube's biggest star with the largest channel -- PewDiePie. More than 15,000,000 subscribers

Of course, the beauty of the Internet is that the stupidity of YouTube's top N channels doesn't effect me one bit. The content I find interesting is all there and available as well, and I never need to see (or even know about the existence of) any of the silly channels listed in the parent post.

Contrast that with television, where almost every show has to be dumbed down to appeal to a wide audience.

Still doesn't cut it... DRM hell, no linux, etc. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396601)

Wake me when there is actually something better than wikipedia and a google search.

Also limited to particular regions of the world and those which do get it may not get it at the same time.

Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396603)

and this whole time I thought that ignorant slashdot comments used up most of the traffic

codecs (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396643)

Doesnt netflix use inferior encoding in comparison to most recent pirated content? Although I doubt that video sizes alone would account for such a difference.

Re:codecs (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397079)

AFAIK Netflix uses H.264 and offers three different quality settings in Canada.

Youtube has a lot of full length movies (3, Interesting)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396649)

http://www.reddit.com/r/fullmoviesonyoutube/ [reddit.com]

PS3 in a drop down fashion are NetFlix, youtube, then of course Amazon instant videos and Red Box
showed up on the last update -4.5.

Flame: Know how time consuming it was to find that reddit link? It used to be a tab on my browser.

Yesterday I updated Opera 12 to version 17. I didn't want to lose the /. taking me to slashdot feature so put it off.
Opera doesn't have bookmarks anymore, how truly asinine is that? Nor can I disable flash, and much more.
So I don't use Opera after well since forever, but FireFox that auto log's me into a site (for the moment).
and off topic but I'm still hot over it.

Re:Youtube has a lot of full length movies (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397255)

That bookmark was worth losing. More like a list of "50 movies on DVD for $10" ultimate discount collection. These are "movies" in name only. You get what you pay for on this one.

interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396657)

i wonder how much traffic Hulu and Amazon Video accounts for. Hulu and Amazon Video have some TV shows that aren't available anywhere else.

Convenience (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396671)

This is simple convenience.

There was a time when it was easier to download something (even through "pirate" channels) than to buy it. See: I tried to watch Game of Thrones [theoatmeal.com]

Now Netflix makes it extremely affordable and easy (read: very convenient) to get that content. I don't have to travel to a brick and mortar. I don't have to wait for shipping from Amazon. I don't have to download a BitTorrent client and search for active torrents. It's just there and ready to go.

You focus on what customers want and suddenly you've got more business than you can handle. Sometimes the market actually rewards the correct behavior.

Content.... management! (1)

recharged95 (782975) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396789)

Why download a 4GB HD file and have to store, let it sit there for years when you can stream it and forget about it after 'consuming it'. As for youtube videos, no one wants to hold on to that stuff--it's short term memory videos anyway and google stores it for free....

Sure you can take that BT file and store in your cloud, but LIRC lots of cloud storage costs money (since the free account limit you at what, 5GB?).

What's killing P2P file sharing is not the offerings (though the netflix, youtube), but the content sizes and streaming. People aren't thinking about distributed backups and availability.

incorrect assumptions (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396825)

Perhaps there were fewer world of warcraft updates pushed out?
Bittorrent isn't just used for video.

Re:incorrect assumptions (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396949)

Along this line of thinking, maybe the "big boys" just switched to proprietary p2p technologies that don't get lump summed in with other p2p sharing traffic.

Whatever whenever for free via BT... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396841)

Has changed my sense of what movies/music/software are really intrinsically worth. So much of it is crap anyway and being able to gorge myself on it has reduced my appetite for it. There was a time I had vast collections of this stuff off BT that seemed like a treasure and then one day I just decided it was a waste of space and time and deleted it all. I never regretted it like I have never regretted throwing out my television back in the 90's. I don't use BT remotely as voraciously as I did back in the day.

Data went up... (4, Interesting)

viperidaenz (2515578) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396873)

But did consumption go up or did video bit rate go up?
Maybe more people are now selecting "HD" streaming than they used to.

Re:Data went up... (1)

swillden (191260) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397329)

But did consumption go up or did video bit rate go up? Maybe more people are now selecting "HD" streaming than they used to.

And they're probably torrenting higher video bit rates, too.

My money is on the first supposition in the summary being right: The legal services have gotten good enough, and cheap enough, that people have less incentive to reach for illegal torrents.

Youtube? (1)

rolfwind (528248) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396891)

I find that hard to believe, half of the time, I can hardly get the vids there to play. Every year it gets worse, it's at a point making me yearn to real player.

Netflix otoh, almost never has issues.

Re:Youtube? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397137)

They're counting the ads too I bet. And those always play flawlessly.

New video file format (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396927)

Could the decrease in torrent traffic be from the move to mp4?
A show is like 1/3-1/2 the size.

Panem et circenses (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396941)

Meanwhile, back in your fiber box...

Does Netflix traffic really count? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45396993)

Since Netflix is hosted on Amazon? Thus Netflix traffic is Amazon traffic?

I would like more information, please (4, Informative)

PopeRatzo (965947) | 1 year,14 days | (#45396997)

If you click a few levels through the story, you'll find that the data comes from Sandvine, whose customers are the big telecoms. Considering the battle over net neutrality, I'd say that Sandvine is not a neutral source in this discussion.

I'd like to see data from some other sources on "Netflix and Youtube are half of all Internet traffic".

The Former (2)

tom229 (1640685) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397155)

This is all the entertainment industry needs to do. Get behind a financial sane method of delivering media, that's more convenient than pirating, and the "war" is over. Prohibition is never the answer, yet it always seems to be the first response.

Torrent: Mirror everything. (1)

gizmo2199 (458329) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397327)

Well.. I'm pretty sure you can't mirror the BBC using Netflix.

10% for Bitorrent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397339)

I feel like I'll I've been reading for years is that Bitorrent was responsible for the majority of traffic on the Internet. What happened to those figures?

Dropping 26% Per Year Is Called Plummeting (1)

IHTFP (742046) | 1 year,14 days | (#45397551)

"Meanwhile Bittorrent traffic is down slightly (7.4% from 10%) in Internet traffic compared to last year."

Nothing slight about that. If the data are accurate, that's a major change. Of course, if total Internet traffic was up 35%, Bittorrent traffic would be holding steady while everything else grew.

"Could more people be satisfied with" (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397561)

"Could more people be satisfied with current video offerings or are less people finding useful things to download via file sharing?"

No... It's simply that there are more people on the Internet now who don't know how to find things via file sharing. It's a different generation.

Netflix Run ON Amazon Web Services (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#45397647)

Netflix is an AMAZON customer.

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