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Hawaii Desktop Stable Released, Powered By Qt 5.2 & Wayland

timothy posted about a year ago | from the take-a-vacation dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The Maui OS Project has made their first stable release of the Hawaii Desktop. Hawaii is still catching up with GNOME, Xfce, and KDE in terms of features, but it's written from scratch atop next-generation open-source technologies. In particular, Hawaii 0.2.0 is powered by the brand new Qt 5.2 tool-kit and runs natively on Wayland's Weston 1.3 compositor. Hawaii 0.2.0 carries all standard Linux desktop features but more advanced desktop functionality is planned while focusing around a Wayland design and eventually their own Green Island Compositor."

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First (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787275)

Pineapple

Yay! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787279)

Yay! Another worthless Loonix DE to go with the 10 million others!

Another Desktop UI? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787281)

Pussy and Beer! That's what I like.

"next generation" my ass! (2, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year ago | (#45787283)

QT is last generation. Next generation is javascript using node. It never blocks! It never wastes time creating new threads! That's why it's faster.

Re:"next generation" my ass! (4, Interesting)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about a year ago | (#45787297)

That was funny! Wait you were joking right?

Re:"next generation" my ass! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787311)

Sadly, web monkeys really do believe this even if the parent is joking (and one really, really hopes they are joking).

Re:"next generation" my ass! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787331)

Nah, that cant be true, surely they would know enou... Right?..

Re:"next generation" my ass! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787573)

I suppose you could consider me a "web monkey." I, and my co-workers, fucking hate Javascript with a passion. We still can't understand why we aren't using anything else.

Re:"next generation" my ass! (1)

Bigbutt (65939) | about a year ago | (#45787659)

I imagine that if there were anything else, you'd be using it.

[John]

Re:"next generation" my ass! (1)

advance-software (1770510) | about a year ago | (#45788117)

c#

why not ?

merry christmas all.

Re:"next generation" my ass! (1)

Bigbutt (65939) | about a year ago | (#45788281)

Why would you use C# to replace Javascript? I can possibly see it as a replacement for Java though. Are you misunderstanding the difference between the two?

[John]

Re:"next generation" my ass! (1)

advance-software (1770510) | about a year ago | (#45788325)

because it can be used as a client side machine independent "scripting" language - like javascript.

and it's properly typed which means you can likely compile to more optimal code.

js uses doubles for everything which isn't optimal. recall some talk of this changing.

c# supports multiple threads, etc. etc.

java would do as an alternative also. not quite sure why it's gone out of fashion.

just because js is the html5 default scripting language doesn't mean it's the best choice. we can evolve.

unity (3d html page plugin) uses c# for example. as does a ton of other stuff.

mono implementation for non m$. what's blocking html5 supporting this out of the box, aside from inertia ?

Re:"next generation" my ass! (1)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about a year ago | (#45788623)

Because most of the alternatives to Javascript suck more.

Re:"next generation" my ass! (2, Funny)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about a year ago | (#45787335)

The problem is what QT isn't web scale [youtube.com] !

Re:"next generation" my ass! (4, Funny)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#45787341)

Why would QuickTime need to be web scale?

Re:"next generation" my ass! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787357)

This explains why Windows 3.1 was so much faster than Windows 95. (sarcasm).

Re:"next generation" my ass! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787591)

Wow off-topic?

Windows 3.1 had cooperative multitasking. Each application had to wait for a different application to yield. If an application failed and started to act like it was in an infinite loop then the whole desktop locked up.

Windows 95 was an improvement since it introduced preemptive multitasking to the windows home desktop.

The lack of historical knowledge explains why Node.js fans are doomed to make the same fucking mistake.

Re:"next generation" my ass! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787773)

But node.js let's me write server-side javascript! *fap* *fap* *fap*

Re:"next generation" my ass! (2)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year ago | (#45787917)

server side javascript... that never blocks! If you use C++ to read from a tcp connection, it can block and that makes it slow. node.js doesn't block so it's fast.

Re:"next generation" my ass! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787967)

You can use non-blocking IO in C++, C, Ruby, Python, Perl, Scala, Java, etc. since it is an option in the TCP stack. I really hope you aren't really a clueless javascript monkey.

Re:Javascript will topple c or c++ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45788517)

You could c or c++ when doing web development but then you would be "misunderstood" because that is normal correct behavior procedure ethics standards...

Re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45788531)

I believe that was sarcasm

Re:"next generation" my ass! (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year ago | (#45790261)

From Qt based DEs, how does Hawaii compare to KDE, Razor-qt and now LXDE?

Waiting for it to mature (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787291)

I'll check it out when Hawaii reaches 0.5.0, and it better have the theme song play when I log in.

Re:Waiting for it to mature (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#45787813)

Yeah they haven't even got screenshots yet.

Re:Waiting for it to mature (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787943)

Yeah, but if you give it one wrongly typed command you get voted off the island by the lolcats and your terminal session is terminated.

Re:Waiting for it to mature (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#45787991)

No qemu or vmware support because drivers. No nvidia support except for nouveau which is not happy on my cards. Hopefully 0.5.0 will have these features as well ;)

Way behind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787323)

But at least it's using wayland, the thing that's supposed to be better than X while supporting less features.

Re:Way behind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787329)

Other than network transparency, what exactly of value does X do that Wayland doesn't?

Re:Way behind! (3, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about a year ago | (#45787415)

Other than network transparency, what exactly of value does X do that Wayland doesn't?

"Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"

Re:Way behind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787421)

Since the person said features plural, it would have to encompass more than just that, no?

Re:Way behind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45791381)

How about graphics support, you know, other than the limited shit this release has.

Re:Way behind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787451)

Well, X has been around for almost 30 years... you'd hope that Wayland can beat the pants off of X.

Re:Way behind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787467)

It's here. It works.

Network Transparency ... solved (1)

mehemiah (971799) | about a year ago | (#45787541)

what's that now? Its called internal support for freeRDP [slashdot.org]

Re:Network Transparency ... solved (0)

ThePhilips (752041) | about a year ago | (#45788289)

RDP is not the same as network transparency. It is the opposite of the network transparency.

With X you can run side by side on the same physical screen applications from the different servers.

Anyway. I think that Wayland is similar to tablets: it is targeted at consumers, not power users or engineers.

Who knows, by the time the Wayland matures FreeBSD might improve hardware support and finally run well on new hardware. Not only that would mean I get to keep the X but I also would get much better audio quality.

Re:Network Transparency ... solved (0, Troll)

CajunArson (465943) | about a year ago | (#45789001)

You sed: RDP is not the same as network transparency. It is the opposite of the network transparency.

In that case, any even remotely modern version of X isn't network transparent either since X is basically operating as a poorly implemented version of RDP using any GUI toolkit like GTK or Qt. P.S. --> The lead developers of X.org agree with me that the modern version of X that real people use in the real world is not network transparent, so unless you are even a more experienced X developer, I'm going to agree with them and not you.

You sed: With X you can run side by side on the same physical screen applications from the different servers.

2008 called and it wants its complaint about RDP back (this functionality was introduced a LONG time ago). RDP can be implemented using Wayland too you know, it's not a strictly a Windows thing.

Re:Network Transparency ... solved (0, Troll)

ThePhilips (752041) | about a year ago | (#45789131)

The lead developers of X.org agree with me that the modern version of X that real people use in the real world is not network transparent

So you apparently have no idea what they are talking about, but somehow Keith Packard agrees with you? LOL

They talk about server-side vs. client-side rendering. And it is true that it doesn't make much sense and RDP in a way is an improvement. But that argument rests on the generalization that there are no other X using applications beside GTK/GNOME and Qt/KDE. There are still plenty of Motiff/Lesstiff/Athena/Xaw/Tk applications around.

Anyway, if we are to generalize, then why not generalize it to the logical end: everything is a web app. Even now, what most consumers see on their screens is a rendered HTML. And PCs are dead - long live tablets.

2008 called and it wants its complaint about RDP back (this functionality was introduced a LONG time ago). RDP can be implemented using Wayland too you know, it's not a strictly a Windows thing.

So. You have no idea what "network transparency" really means.

Or you would have mentioned the seamless RDP - and all PITAs associated with it. That thing (with the "official" XenApps) is a such miserable experience that nobody willingly is using it.

Re:Network Transparency ... solved (4, Interesting)

CajunArson (465943) | about a year ago | (#45789705)

" You have no idea what "network transparency" really means."

No... you don't.

Me*: Network transparency means that applications can render graphics to a local terminal or over a network with zero changes in code path and zero need to know anything about the underlying rendering model. Therefore, any remotely modern version of X.org is by definition not network transparent since every since modern local rendering technique such as DRI and compositing is completely incompatible with the fallback socket-based path that is used for networking remote X programs. Consequently, modern X is not network transparent and people who can't understand that just because it is still possible to send X pixmaps over a network socket in a kludgy manner does not mean X is "transparent" should maybe do some research on how X actually works instead of hurling insults.

  Modern X-remoting is effectively pushing pixmaps over a socket in an inefficient manner. It is fundamentally different than the modern composited rendering path that effectively bypasses 99.9% of the original X server and is where Wayland is going. Additionally, if X were so beautifully perfect at network transparency then using it over a WAN connection wouldn't be one of the leading causes of suicide in network administrators and proxies like NX would never have come into existence.

Where "Me" includes the X.org developers including Keith Packard BTW.

You: "I MADE PRETTY PICTURES GO OVAR INTARNETS!! DARR!! NETWORK TRANSPARENT! SINCE SOME TYPES OF RDP ONLY TRANSFER DESKTOPS NOT INVIDUAL WINDOWS RDP NOT NETWORK TRANSPARENT!! DAR!!! X DEVELOPERS ARE STOOPID AND DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT X!!! DAR!!"

Re:Network Transparency ... solved (-1, Troll)

ThePhilips (752041) | about a year ago | (#45790403)

No... you don't.

Thanks for enlightening me! I wonder then what I use everyday in the office then!

[...] since modern local rendering technique such as DRI and compositing is completely [...]

... and utterly useless. Except for the games and video. But that sector of software moving to tablets/etc.

if X were so beautifully perfect at network transparency then using it over a WAN connection wouldn't be one of the leading causes of suicide in network administrators

Nobody said it is perfect!!! I would be the last to say it. I'm doing it every frigging day in office!!!

But it is on *average* is *magnitudes* better than the alternatives. I've dealt with: VNC, RDP, Xen, NX, Xvnc and LTSP. General observation: presence of the X in the stack generally increases desirability of the remote access solution. Raw X over SSH is simply unbeatable in reliability and usability. Even if one has to wait occasionally a second or two for the process to finish rendering the shit. (The biggest downside of X over SSH is BTW the network connectivity: loss of connection means termination of the applications.)

[...] in a kludgy manner [...]

That's summarizes your argument in its entirety.

Where "Me" includes the X.org developers including Keith Packard BTW.

Since I'm not X developer, I'm not going to tell you how to do your stuff. All I can do is to express the frustration of the users who use the tech daily and then some developer explaining them what is their problem really. Sadly I have to conclude that you have no idea what problems the *users* have - only the problems the *developers* have. Which are two distinctly different things.

All in all, Wayland breaks something that is working. And it is doing it for the purpose of supporting scenarios for which the target systems are not going to be even used in near future. *rolling eyes*

Re:Network Transparency ... solved (4, Funny)

mrchaotica (681592) | about a year ago | (#45789449)

You sed:

sed s/sed/said/

Re:Network Transparency ... solved (1)

e70838 (976799) | about a year ago | (#45790995)

As a real people who uses X every days, I can ensure you I have no idea where are the computers that runs the programs that are clients of my display. In fact most of these computers are virtual machines. network transparency has been the first feature of X since many years and the third main Windows program (after Word and putty) I use has been hummingbird exceed, or Xming or reflection X.

Re:Way behind! (4, Interesting)

laffer1 (701823) | about a year ago | (#45787609)

X works on my operating system.

Re:Way behind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787615)

The thing that scares the pants off of Wayland developers is that after all the effort spent to make Wayland half as stable as X is that the performance gains will be either too little to justify the effort or none at all.

Re: Way behind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45789483)

Performance is not why they made Weyland.

Re:Way behind! (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#45787977)

> Other than network transparency, what exactly of value does X do that Wayland doesn't?

How about multiple displays? This is a handy feature for when one of your apps (Steam) like to take over your entire screen.

Wayland either needs to support the old way of doing things or have a new way of doing things that's a suitable replacement. Sandboxing apps written by developers with a single user OS mindset would not be a bad genuine "killer feature".

"Gets rid of that vile thing called X" is not a killer feature.

Re:Way behind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45788091)

Valve is already contributing to Wayland because X performance is abysmal.

Re:Way behind! (2)

Uecker (1842596) | about a year ago | (#45788317)

Decades of backwards and forwards compatibility. The real question is: What does Wayland offer?

And yes, I think it is stupid to design in 2013 a display protocol which is not network transparent at its core. In a world where internet is finally everywhere, and X (if embraced) would allow to move a game from smartphone to TV when coming home. Or a text window from notebook to tablet for discussion around a table, or .... And no, RDP does not cut it.

Re:Way behind! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45789129)

Decades of backwards and forwards compatibility. The real question is: What does Wayland offer?

And yes, I think it is stupid to design in 2013 a display protocol which is not network transparent at its core. In a world where internet is finally everywhere, and X (if embraced) would allow to move a game from smartphone to TV when coming home. Or a text window from notebook to tablet for discussion around a table, or .... And no, RDP does not cut it.

But by that standard X is not network transparent at its core. Anyone using X on a desktop (GTK, QT apps) will be using the SHM, Randr, XVideo, XInput2 etc extensions which means that after start-up a typical application is not using much of the core protocol. When you try to use one of these applications over a network the toolkits fall back to using the core X protocol just to blast lots of large pixmaps down the wire, because the core X11 protocol graphics is so outdated it just can't handle alpha blending, properly hinted fonts and so on. How is that different from RDP, except that RDP was designed and heavily optimized for that use case (and yes, RDP can send individual windows, not just the whole desktop).

That's quiet apart from the fact that X11 was designed to use local, narrow-band (by modern standards) networks to render simple (by modern standards) graphics. It is very 'chatty' in terms of round-trips it requires. Using it over high-latency links is not pleasant at all, even if the bandwidth of the link is orders of magnitude greater than was available in 1990. It's just not optimized well for current use.

Wayland offers a simpler, saner design that doesn't have duplication of effort between applications, compositors, window managers and the core. It eliminates decades of subsystems that have to be supported but are duplicative or totally useless (such as the cross-platform ELF library loading, the crappy bitmap font rendering and the 'stippled line' support). It is built around the assumption that there may well be graphics accelerators of varying capabilities that may be used, rather than insisting that using such support is an 'extension'. Most significantly, many of the core X.org developers are working on it, because they don't see that X can be taken much further.

Re:Way behind! (1)

fnj (64210) | about a year ago | (#45789533)

Anyone using X on a desktop (GTK, QT apps) will be using the SHM, Randr, XVideo, XInput2 etc extensions which means that after start-up a typical application is not using much of the core protocol.

Turning off my techie and programmer sides for a moment, what I do know as a user is that, regardless of whether or not the things I run are causing any of those to be invoked, all the X apps I run are indeed pragmatically absolutely network transparent. If I run gedit or kate remotely on the LAN, it is just as responsive and usable and featureful as locally. Same with eclipse. Same with gnome-terminal and konsole. Same with libreoffice. Same with damn close to every single other app I use. Practically the only one where I can even tell the difference is mplayer, but it's bloody amazing to me that mplayer even works at all remotely. And it does.

So, in my particular experience, none of the things you point out have any relevance at all to network transparency. It's not that the point of view is of no interest or even no validity; it's that it is not relevant to my needs.

Yeah, I use Gnome2 plus some KDE apps, both with all the juvenile eye candy useless bullshit turned off. Because I have things to get done, efficiently. And X is getting it done.

Re:Way behind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45790977)

Turning off my techie and programmer sides for a moment, what I do know as a user is that, regardless of whether or not the things I run are causing any of those to be invoked, all the X apps I run are indeed pragmatically absolutely network transparent. If I run gedit or kate remotely on the LAN, it is just as responsive and usable and featureful as locally. Same with eclipse. Same with gnome-terminal and konsole. Same with libreoffice. Same with damn close to every single other app I use. Practically the only one where I can even tell the difference is mplayer, but it's bloody amazing to me that mplayer even works at all remotely. And it does.

OK... so presumably from a pragmatic perspective, an RDP-like solution for Wayland would not be a problem.

So, in my particular experience, none of the things you point out have any relevance at all to network transparency. It's not that the point of view is of no interest or even no validity; it's that it is not relevant to my needs.

If you are just saying that "users don't care about internal technical matters and [foo] works for me" - well you could post that on almost every Slashdot story.

Yeah, I use Gnome2 plus some KDE apps, both with all the juvenile eye candy useless bullshit turned off. Because I have things to get done, efficiently. And X is getting it done.

Even with "the juvenile eye candy useless bullshit turned off" your Gnome2 and KDE apps are still using things like Cairo, Truetype and Pango that can't be remoted over native X protocol (other than sending pre-rendered pixmaps similarly to RDP), so you are still using a completely different code-path for remote access versus local access. Therefore, the suggestion that the code-path would be different for Wayland is presumably not a problem for you.

Is Wayland as fully featured as X.org for most users today? No. But some people seem to have an over-the-top hatred for even the idea of ever replacing X11, based on the completely false idea that X is some sort of elegant, well designed system rather than a towering pile of extensions on kludges on extensions that the core X.org developers don't think has a long-term future.

Re:Way behind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45789981)

And yes, I think it is stupid to design in 2013 a display protocol which is not network transparent at its core. In a world where internet is finally everywhere, and X (if embraced) would allow to move a game from smartphone to TV when coming home. Or a text window from notebook to tablet for discussion around a table, or .... And no, RDP does not cut it.

Actually you're the one stuck in the past. If the complexity of the drawing input is smaller than the rendered picture then you want to send that over the wire and render on the client. A good example is HTML/CSS. If the complexity of the drawing input is greater than the rendered picture then you want to render server side and send the finished picture over the wire. For example, you don't want to send hundreds of megabytes of textures to the client for it to render a two megapixel frame of a game. Between your CPU and GPU is the fastest and widest bus in your computer, a 16x PCIe 3.0 bus can push ~16GB/s. Even gigabit ethernet is only 125MB/s and in practice you want it to work on a 8Mbit/s = 1MB/s broadband connection or less.

When X was designed state of the art graphics was a lot like HTML, to say "draw a box here" was much faster than sending a picture of the box. But that has gradually changed, we haven't added so many more pixels but the rendering behind each one has grown more and more complex with shaders and transparencies and aliasing and 3D effects and whatnot. Sending all of that over to the client side works poorer and poorer, because the tiny little link between the server and the client is only a trickle of what it is locally. For example if you want to flip through all your windows like a book, then you'd have to send all of them to the client so it can render them as pages, it's less efficient not more.

Another? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787339)

Another Desktop??? Can't we focus on getting ONE right?

Re:Another? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787521)

Another operating system??? Can't we focus on getting ONE right?

Another graphics card??? Can't we focus on getting ONE right?

Another CPU??? Can't we focus on getting ONE right?

Another model of car??? Can't we focus on getting ONE right?

The Right Desktop is.... (3, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#45787645)

Another Desktop??? Can't we focus on getting ONE right?

If only Windows 8 users had that option; how many would have taken it? I have moved from a full time Gnome User(Driven away by Gnome Shell) to KDE(Great Applications\Themeing....Poor Desktop) to XFCE(Like Gnome 2 at its best, with some cravats/advantages).

The bottom line is there may not be One right, maybe many rights and many wrongs. Android is a great Phone OS but I would not like to use it full time as my Desktop...but to have access to its large catalogue of touchscreen games on GNU/Linux I would kill for, and there is no reason they can't run in a tradition WIMP environment.

Re:The Right Desktop is.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45788053)

If only Windows 8 users had that option; how many would have taken it?

Are you seriously advocating choice for the end user? No wonder you were modded as a Troll. Everyone knows that:
- large companies know what's best for everyone.
- what works for others should be good enough for you.
- relying on tried and true legacy technologies is the only way to stay current.
- all these people wasting their time trying to create more options for more people are wasting their time.
- we never should have left the Bronze Age.

Re: The Right Desktop is.... (1)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about a year ago | (#45788111)

Some cravats?

Re: The Right Desktop is.... (1)

pr0nbot (313417) | about a year ago | (#45791157)

I guess when he rated the desktops it was a tie.

Re:The Right Desktop is.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45788395)

Alternate shells have existed for Windows for more than a decade and a half. Nothing is more amusing than hearing some Loonix turd prattle on about how Windows users have no other shell choices and then list a bunch of worth Loonix DEs.

Re:Another? (1)

jareth-0205 (525594) | about a year ago | (#45788155)

Another Desktop??? Can't we focus on getting ONE right?

Define 'right' for all users.

Too many cooks in the kitchen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45788277)

With as many people with differing ideas collaborating in an agressive manor that places ego over function? It's never going to happen. The slow adoption of Linux has a lot to do with this problem. Sometimes you really do need an authoritative figure to tell everyone to shut the fuck up and do it this way.

... really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787377)

Awesome. Another splinter in the already fractured 1% of PCs running Linux. That's how you win the market over.

no one cares.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787491)

Repeating fot the thousand time:
Most Linux developers do not care about marketshare.

Re:... really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787603)

Right. Because we all know that Windows has the majority marketshare simply because there is only ever 1 piece of software for any single purpose. No one has ever needed to do something different or improve upon predecessors. You are totally not talking out of your ass in the slightest.

Also, I'm batman.

Re:... really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787619)

But their planning to release another compositor too, oh my god, I can't wait.

More like 66%...Yes Really? (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#45787629)

Awesome. Another splinter in the already fractured 1% of PCs running Linux. That's how you win the market over.

You have not been paying attention. Linux installs outweigh windows 3 Times. Apple and Microsoft are giving the computing market away.

Re:More like 66%...Yes Really? (2)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about a year ago | (#45788739)

Don't think it's fair to count Android devices as Linux, given that it's a very closed platform and doesn't have any of the basic functionality that most of us expect from a desktop operating system.

Though given the direction Microsoft and Apple seem to want to go with their desktop systems... maybe in a couple of years it'll be a fair comparison. :)

Re:... really? (1)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | about a year ago | (#45787661)

servers sir don't need desktops ! and there we have high penetration, unfortunately companies are starting to right gui only installers for linux, we the server geeks don't want a damn desktop on our servers. we want to squeeze as much performance as we can out of the hardware !

Re:... really? (1)

armanox (826486) | about a year ago | (#45788331)

That, and it seems like the biggest headaches (but not all of them, systemd how I hate thee) are desktop related.

Just took a look at it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787391)

It looks like Windows 8 with Stardock's UI fixes.

Boring WIMP (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#45787865)

No its good old fashioned WIMP. The menu button shows large icons which is rubbish, but this is definitely a Desktop not a tablet interface.

They have pictures and everything.

No screenshots? (1)

temcat (873475) | about a year ago | (#45787443)

Seriously.

Re:No screenshots? (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#45787537)

Click the first link, screenshots halfway down the page.

Re:No screenshots? (1)

temcat (873475) | about a year ago | (#45788825)

Thank you, now found it.

Re:No screenshots? (1)

JoeMerchant (803320) | about a year ago | (#45787765)

Try this:

http://www.maui-project.org/ [maui-project.org]

What I'm not seeing immediately is what package manager they are using in their distro - is this Debian based, or Arch or what?

Re:No screenshots? (1)

temcat (873475) | about a year ago | (#45788549)

Thanks!

And why would I care? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787473)

So, is this news?

They get it (4, Interesting)

TuringTest (533084) | about a year ago | (#45787547)

They have a main webpage with a clean design, and they explain what they do and why anyone in the target audience should care, without falling prey to corporate-speak. That alone bests more than 90% of previous desktop environments, yet is the bare minimum than any user-facing project should have. Plus, the FAQ and About pages actually explain their motivations rather than a few obscure technical details.

That "operating system, a suite of software that makes your computer run" made me shed tears of joy.

Re:They get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45788477)

The web page didn't work on my nexus 7. The about pulldown opened, by the links to FAQ didn't open.

Screenshots? (3)

christurkel (520220) | about a year ago | (#45787549)

Are there any screenshots available? I can't seem to find any.

Re:Screenshots? (5, Informative)

normaldotcom (1521757) | about a year ago | (#45787753)

There are a few screenshots available on the Maui Project site: http://www.maui-project.org/#showcase [maui-project.org]

Re:Screenshots? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45790983)

Thank you.

I like it. It looks like Windows 7 had sex with an android tablet. It may be the beard on my neck talking, but with Hawaii leading the way 2014 could possibly be the year of the Linux desktop.

Re:Screenshots? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787775)

Scroll down on their front page.

Re:Screenshots? (1)

CODiNE (27417) | about a year ago | (#45788855)

No problem bro, I got you covered.

Hawaii Desktop images [bing.com]

Bad Marketing for Adaptation (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787723)

If they want people to try their they should atleast include an ISO. Sadly no ISO is available, so why will people waste time compiling the thing ?

Re:Bad Marketing for Adaptation (2)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year ago | (#45789511)

You mean like the image you get by going to their home page and clicking the download link [maui-project.org] ?

Re:Bad Marketing for Adaptation (1)

fnj (64210) | about a year ago | (#45789613)

If they want people to try their they should atleast include an ISO. Sadly no ISO is available, so why will people waste time compiling the thing ?

Is there a joke I am not getting? There is a download button on the front page that takes you right to a link for the Live ISO, along with instructions for how to burn the CD, if for some reason you want to be last century and not just use a USB flash image.

Re:Bad Marketing for Adaptation (1)

HiThere (15173) | about a year ago | (#45790187)

Others have pointed out the existence of a download link, so allow me to point out that the project is at release 0.2. If you aren't willing to compile something at that release level, you should probably stay away from it.

Overrated (-1)

Sentrion (964745) | about a year ago | (#45787793)

I only need command line, Emacs and a green monochrome monitor. All this talk of "cursors" and "windows" is just hype and pizazz that slows me down.

Re:Overrated and Abusive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787841)

That's abusive! I only need a needle and a few kilometers of paper.

Re:Overrated and Abusive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45787965)

Bah!

Stone tablet + chisel!

Re:Overrated and Abusive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45788073)

blasphemy! i only need yourmama

Whats new here? (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year ago | (#45788043)

Why is it news that someone created yet another Linux distro with yet another permutation of packages? Why is it impressive that Hawaii "features a dynamic, flicker free and fast system"?

The summary mentions that theres potentially a new DE here, why are there no details on it?

Missed opportunity (-1, Troll)

pablo_max (626328) | about a year ago | (#45788119)

I may be in the minority among the /. crowd, but I cannot help feeling that Linux, in general really missed the boat in 2013.

2013 was not to be the year of the linux desktop. Neither will 2014. It could have been "the year of the Linux tablet" though. From my way of thinking, linux is perfect for a tablet. It runs perfectly fine on slower hardware AND you still get to actual computer stuff!
The entire reason I do not own a tablet (aside from a 64gb HP Touchpad given to me) is that I like to do actual work. Tablets are, with the exception of the, to expensive Surface Pro 2, are media consumption devices. Very good at it mind you, but consumption products nonetheless.

If I knew that I could buy a Nexus blah blah or a Samsung tab umpteen and install an actual Linux OS, which was designed with a proper touch interface, I would be all over it.
Just think, being able to run a full office suite and run programs in a, I know it's crazy, window!
I know there are loads of apple and android fanbois out there who will scream how wrong I am, but I am not wrong. Mobile OSs like Android and iOS are complete crap for anything other than watching media and playing nonsense games.
And that being the case, I really think that Linux missed a once in a lifetime opportunity by not providing a touch friendly, lightweight OS which works on ARM platforms.
And please dont say ubuntu touch. And if you insist on saying how wrong I am, try saying why I am wrong since I am just not seeing it.

Re:Missed opportunity (1)

HiThere (15173) | about a year ago | (#45790323)

For who?

For me the year of the Linux desktop was around 2000. (Red Hat 4.2) This was largely because of license changes by MS, but that was the year I switched over to Linux. My wife was already on Apple. Her year of the Linux desktop was around 2007. Because of changes in the Apple licensing, which meant that I no longer felt willing to do support work on an Apple system. And also because the music score editing programs on Linux had reached a bare minimum of acceptability. (She's still quite unsatisfied.)

For other people, other considerations apply. I doubt that it will EVER be the choice for all desktop users, unless other groups stop making desktop systems.

P.S.: The Linux desktop environment has deteriorated markedly over the last two years. The peak thus far was will late editions of KDE3. Gnome2 was acceptable. Currently I'm using a Debian LXDE, and my wife is using an Ubuntu-lts flavored KDE.

P.P.S: My neighbors across the street use Apple. They don't seem to have any fewer problems than does my wife, but it's generally things like "the keyboard is turned off", which I can asist them with without agreeing to an Apple EULA.

Re:Missed opportunity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45791499)

The entire reason I do not own a tablet (aside from a 64gb HP Touchpad given to me) is that I like to do actual work. ... If I knew that I could buy a Nexus blah blah or a Samsung tab umpteen and install an actual Linux OS, which was designed with a proper touch interface, I would be all over it.
Just think, being able to run a full office suite and run programs in a, I know it's crazy, window!

Then why don't you install Mer and Plasma Active on your HP touchpad? Or ubuntu (not touch) with active or e17?

Correct Horse Hawaii Desktop Stable Released? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45788171)

Headline fail! Too garbled! Try:

"New 'Hawaii' Desktop Environment Released, Powered by QE2 and Wayland"

This alternate headline doesn't take up much more room, and is more comprehensible. I still don't know what it is talking about, but the words parse - Hawaii is not a state, it's a code-name for a desktop, and "stable" has nothing to do with horses. I don't know what Qt 5.2 is, but that's not material information for a headline. Wayland is some kind of controversial thing, so I guess that's why it is included.

Re:Correct Horse Hawaii Desktop Stable Released? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45788267)

tl;dr

Poster found out about this site on reddit, digg, or, more likely, facebook, and doesn't understand elementary nerd/geek stuff. Thought, perhaps, there were girls here.

Wayland hasn't died yet? (1)

fikx (704101) | about a year ago | (#45788809)

Another post mentioning Wayland...I still have hope it will die a quiet death so the Linux GUI can get back on track...
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