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Rap Genius Returns To Google Search Rankings

Soulskill posted about 7 months ago | from the play-nice-with-the-internets dept.

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theodp writes "After being punished by Google for manipulative SEO tactics, a contrite Rap Genius says it's back in Google's good graces. 'It takes a few days for things to return to normal, but we're officially back!' reads a post by the Rap Genius founders. 'First of all, we owe a big thanks to Google for being fair and transparent and allowing us back onto their results pages. We overstepped, and we deserved to get smacked.' Rap Genius credits some clever trackback scraping programming for its quick redemption, but a skeptic might suggest it probably didn't hurt that Rap Genius' biggest investor, Andreessen Horowitz, is tight with Google."

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Rap "Genius"? (2, Funny)

cold fjord (826450) | about 7 months ago | (#45866595)

Q: Rap Genius?
A: Oxymoron

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

timdingo (1922214) | about 7 months ago | (#45866661)

/agreed Sometimes, when reading on or hearing of people I don't approve of, I'll drop a pejorative 'who?' even though I've got a pretty good idea who said person is. Not this time. This time I haven't got a clue as to who this 'Rap Genius' is. Not sure I want to know either.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866709)

Are you trying to tell me that these guys aren't geniuses [youtube.com] ?

Re:Rap "Genius"? (4, Informative)

camg188 (932324) | about 7 months ago | (#45867169)

Summary of the video:
* Rap Genius is a website that provides crowdsourced text annotation services.
* It got it's name because it originally provided "decoding" of rap lyrics so little Joe Schmoe could figure out what "beez in the trap" means.* But now they want to provide text annotation to documents of all kinds of subjects.

Genius (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867967)

I thought all geniuses work forr apple at their bar ;^)

Re:Rap "Genius"? (-1, Troll)

gweihir (88907) | about 7 months ago | (#45866749)

Indeed. Rappers are people that cannot sing, yet still insist on pushing their "music" on people. It is hardly possible to be more arrogant and incompetent as an artist.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866881)

That is about as bigoted as, "Geeks are people that have no social skills, yet still insist on pushing their electronic 'tools' on people. It is hardly possible to be more arrogant and incompetent as a human."

I don't particularly enjoy rap, but it is evidently a musical form, and - just as with any art - doing it badly is easy, but doing it well is hard.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

GoogleShill (2732413) | about 7 months ago | (#45867177)

I wish I had mod points for you.

The "I'm smart and don't like X, so people who like X must be stupid" mentality on here is getting near YouTube levels. I've recently switched to ArsTechnica for most of my news, but still have the /. RSS feed which I monitor and occasionally click through. This article struck me as interesting because I ended up at Rap Genius yesterday after searching for some lyrics to a rap song.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867239)

This isn't about somebody thinking they're "smart" so that stuff that they don't like is "stupid". Rap is objectively bad music. It doesn't matter if you like it, or if I like it, or if some thug from the streets of L.A. likes it. It's still bad music, regardless of who may enjoy it.

Rap is lacking in so many ways. Its harmony and melody is nearly non-existent. Its lyrics are rubbish. It sounds like utter shit. The rap music that isn't absolutely terrible is only that way because it heavily samples music written by real musicians.

Rap music is a lot like coprophilia. Yes, there are some strange people who do enjoy playing with feces, and maybe even enjoy eating it. But that doesn't change the fact that shitplay is still a rancid, disgusting activity that is objective bad. It's exactly the same for rap music. It's just plain bad music, if it can even be considered music.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

gweihir (88907) | about 7 months ago | (#45867277)

Just my point. I also believe that quite a few "Rappers" are actually pretty competent scam artists that use bogus "cultural identity" memes to sell their trash. Seems to be working well. There is a sucker born every minute...

Re:Rap "Genius"? (2)

wooferhound (546132) | about 7 months ago | (#45867621)

Just my point. I also believe that quite a few "Rappers" are actually pretty competent scam artists that use bogus "cultural identity" memes to sell their trash. Seems to be working well. There is a sucker born every minute...

A lot like the wrestling shows on TV, a guy making money by portraying himself as somebody he isn't to sell their trash

Re:Rap "Genius"? (2)

GoogleShill (2732413) | about 7 months ago | (#45867315)

You need to look up the definition of objective, because you really don't have a clue what it means, nor have you produced any evidence supporting your subjective opinion.

Unsurprisingly you didn't mention what type of music you happen to like. It's only childish trolling to criticize others while not exposing your own interests and likes.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867449)

The GP obviously knows what 'objective' means. He uses the term correctly, too. Like he says, rap is 'objectively bad' because it really doesn't matter what anybody at all thinks about it; rap is inherently bad. That is true; if people's opinions did matter in some way, then rap would be 'subjectively bad' to some and 'subjectively good' to others. But that's not the case. Rap is inherently bad music, and the GP even gives the exact reasons why. See the parts of that comment about rap's lack of harmony and melody, and the part about its empty lyrics. It lacks the basic elements of 'music'! Something cannot be considered 'good music' when it discards every core element of music. Rap music is a form of noise, not music. It is like a dog barking, or a fart. While it may be a sound, it is inherently without the attributes that make it 'music'.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867583)

Some rap is lacking in harmony or melody, but that doesn't make it objectively bad music any more than a savoury meal is "objectively bad" just because it lacks sweetness.

It's frankly embarrassing how our culture likes to attach metrics to everything while failing to notice that the final judgment always comes down to how you weight your inputs.

And if you want bad lyrics, listen to opera.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

TheloniousToady (3343045) | about 7 months ago | (#45868149)

And if you want bad lyrics, listen to opera.

OK, I'll bite. Treat yourself to a little "Gilbert and Sullivan". A very famous example lyric is the Major-General's Song [wikipedia.org] , which is very cleverly triple-rhymed. (Let's see Eminem top that!) It has inspired a host of parodies, one of which is so well done as to merit a Wikipedia entry of its very own [wikipedia.org] .

And Sullivan's music is every bit as brilliant as Gilbert's lyrics. Once you get over the fat lady's singing, G&S truly is one of the good things in life. The recordings by the Welsh National Opera are highly recommended.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45868407)

OK, I really should have clarified - I'm not thinking of light opera, but some traditional arias. Once you get past the beautiful melody and harmony, you have some really unsophisticated, repetitive lyrics carrying a formulaic story.

G+S are so memorable precisely because they combine a mastery of traditional elements of opera with the rhythmic poetry of, well, good rap.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

Ellie K (1804464) | about 7 months ago | (#45868689)

And if you want bad lyrics, listen to opera.

OK, I'll bite. Treat yourself to a little "Gilbert and Sullivan"...

I really like Eminem and Kid Rock. They are sarcastic and very funny. Will they still have the same appeal after 100 years? I doubt it. Gilbert and Sullivan has endured.

I don't especially like G&S (I prefer what someone else called "traditional arias" e.g. full chorus "Ode to Joy"), yet I can completely relate to, understand why you are fond of G&S. A live G&S performance is music and art.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867989)

You've not demonstrated that rap is 'objectively bad music' (a claim far too broad to be meaningful, but no matter), you've just adopted an interpretation of 'music' just narrow enough to exclude rap.

lack of harmony and melody

Indeed. Rhythm and rhyme are emphasised instead, and we certainly see those in 'ordinary' musical genres.

and the part about its empty lyrics

For a counter-example, I submit Eminem's Lose Yourself. An inspirational message, and the author's life-story.

Empty lyrics are not inherent to rap music, but yes, they do plague the genre.

It lacks the basic elements of 'music'! Something cannot be considered 'good music' when it discards every core element of music. Rap music is a form of noise, not music.

And we're back to my original point.

Relevant: classical theory of concepts, in philosophy. [stanford.edu] In a word: it's unsustainable to impose rigid requirements when defining things. In the way that not all tables have legs, not all music has melody.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

Wootery (1087023) | about 7 months ago | (#45868043)

Oops, forgot to sign in. Also, s/broad/vague/

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

Merls the Sneaky (1031058) | about 7 months ago | (#45868025)

Even if I accept your premise that rap is "bad music", I have heard rap that is very good poetry. It takes a skilled linguist to write good rap as it does to write good poetry and there are good and bad examples of both. To me rap is modern day poetry with a beat. look outside the pop charts for the good stuff and you will find it.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

Ellie K (1804464) | about 7 months ago | (#45868643)

...It takes a skilled linguist to write good rap as it does to write good poetry and there are good and bad examples of both.

Linguist! The professors of linguistics that write University of Pennsylvania's Language Log are skilled linguists. I don't think that has anything to do with their ability to write poetry. Or rap, although it would be fun to ask!

Rap is words, music and visuals with attitude, and usually post-production effects. Poetry is written words on a page. They aren't comparable.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

YesThatsMeImHere (3486025) | about 7 months ago | (#45869113)

Rap is rhytmical lyricism. Not the same as poetry, but comparable.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (2)

Merls the Sneaky (1031058) | about 7 months ago | (#45869305)

Before either poetry or rap is spoken aloud they can both be words written on a page. Both can also not be written on a page. The page is just a recording medium. or can poetry not be recorded on a CD and still be considered poetry?

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

YesThatsMeImHere (3486025) | about 7 months ago | (#45869131)

It does not lack the basic elements of "music" if you accept it's common meaning, nor does it "discard every core element" of it. And it does indeed happen to be "subjetively good" to some and "subjectively bad" to others. So that point didn't really make sense if you still want to agree it's objectively bad. Unless you don't accept that some people actually find it good.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

vakuona (788200) | about 7 months ago | (#45867983)

I don't know why I am replying to this.

Rap music is not so much about harmony as it is about rhythm and rhyme. Basically, rap is about poetry.

You wouldn't know that because you are an idiot.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45868411)

Way to move the goalposts, buddy. We're talking about music, and now you've gone off on some irrelevant tangent about how "rap is about poetry" in some pointless attempt to deny the fact that rap is objectively bad music.

Your argument is nonsense, by the way. Rhyme is merely a property of lyrics. As we have already established, rap's lyrics are rubbish. Rhyming "yo" with "yo" or "dawg" with "dawg" isn't an accomplishment!

And rhythm is merely the absence of harmony and melody. It's what you get when noise is repeated at regular intervals.

So not only is rap objectively bad music, but it's also objectively bad poetry. Although, that's totally irrelevant, since we're talking about music here to begin with.

Next time, try to avoid the ad hominem. This isn't a shitty rap song, son. We don't use personal insults like that. Besides, it's bad enough that you committed one logical fallacy. It's completely unnecessary for you to commit yet another one within the same comment.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (2)

YesThatsMeImHere (3486025) | about 7 months ago | (#45869103)

Taking into consideration this post and the first anonymous troll post that went in this direction, that you probably also wrote: It's impossible to draw the conclusion that something is "objectively bad" based on subjective statements like a component of it "being rubbish" or "sounding like utter shit". You're trolling, but you know, I like it when "low hanging fruit" helps making a very simple and objectively non-refutable point. (See what I did there?) Also, lyrical content is not really genre specific. Sometimes you can rap a lyric that wasn't written to be rapped, or sing a lyric that wasn't meant to be sung. Therefore, your point doesn't really work, as you're aware of. On a slightly more ad populum note: You really have to be stubborn if you see a crowd of ten thousdands of people dancing and jumping around and still not accept that they're doing it because of music. Comparing listening one of the best selling musical genres to playing with feces.. well. Doesn't make a lot of sense, in practice. You know, if you're into psychology and not being insane and all that. Also, it can't be "not music" and "bad music" at the same time. It can obviously not really be "objectively bad music" or "objectively bad poetry" in the first place. You're objectively bad at being a troll. Some rap lyrics are actually pretty darn clever. Black metal, now there's a genre that's objectively terrible all the way!

Music? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45869109)

What is music but organized noise? Your definition of music is self-manufactured to exclude a genre of music that you don't like.

Any system of organized sounds that has some kind of rhythm is music. This includes rap, pop, tribal drum beats, and whatever daft punk is classified as. It may not be your taste, but it's music. That you're arguing it's not seems pedantic.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (0)

gweihir (88907) | about 7 months ago | (#45867257)

Another simple mind, that does not get it. Humanity is comprised mostly of idiots, apparently, and the Dunning-Kruger effect is making it far, far worse.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

GoogleShill (2732413) | about 7 months ago | (#45867333)

Seriously dude? You're a fucking idiot if you don't understand that music is a subjective art form. The Dunning-Kruger effect lies solely on you.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

gweihir (88907) | about 7 months ago | (#45867251)

Pathetic, almost literal rip-off. And completely besides the point. Surely you can do better? Oh, wait, likely you cannot....

Re:Rap "Genius"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867281)

You're being very competitive in the arrogance competition though.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867687)

Geeks contribute to society. Rappers don't.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867913)

"As a geek, I present the following metrics to determine value to society. It turns out these metrics show that geeks contribute more than rappers."

Fuck off back to WoW.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45868865)

Go get shot by some gang bangers, you uneducated sack of worthless shit.

Re:Rap "Genius"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867675)

You can't spell crap without rap. Bunch of tone-deaf, talentless, noise polluters, it takes zero skill to make a rap "song".

Re:Rap "Genius"? (1)

Merls the Sneaky (1031058) | about 7 months ago | (#45868041)

Really? Zero talent? So when is your number one album going to debut at number one on the charts?

Re:Rap "Genius"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45868905)

You are a fucking idiot.

1) Popularity != quality
2) Talking != music
3) I don't have to do better, because I'm not traipsing around pretending to be a musician.

Now, "homie", why don't you do your intellectual superiors in society a favour and get shot by or shoot some of your talentless brethren?

Re:Rap "Genius"? (2)

Merls the Sneaky (1031058) | about 7 months ago | (#45869335)

Ad hominem attack, nice to see you keeping it classy!

1) Popularity does not always equal quality, but I never claimed it had to be quality. You said it took no talent therefore anyone can do it.
2) I never claimed talking = music. I consider rap to be more akin to poetry. But you will find rap in the music charts, along with many other "artists" a lot of people also consider to not have any talent.
3) You're claiming it takes no talent and with a payout like that why wouldn't you? Unless of course it does take some sort of talent that you don't have.

I'm not your "homie", I don't even know anyone that owns a gun, nor do I work in the music industry, additionally someone that opens with an ad hominem attack is not an intellectual and certainly not superior.

Re: Rap "Genius"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45869415)

No beef with rap per se, I like MF Doom a lot.

However the notion of charts, it's completely bogus. Record companies pay radios to play certain tracks. The tracks themselves are nothing more than short-lived products. The system itself saying a tiny part of the system is number two or whatever is ridiculous as the only purpose is to get sheeple to buy whatever is "popular".

Thus your argument regarding charts is not a good one.

who? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866599)

who?

Re:who? (5, Funny)

lxs (131946) | about 7 months ago | (#45866713)

The people who bought this ad space.

Re:who? (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 7 months ago | (#45866715)

Well, you've heard of them now . . .

  1. Piss off Google.
  2. Get headlines in the press.
  3. Profit.

Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866763)

I've been in the computing industry since the 1970s. I've seen trends come, and I've seen trends go. I've seen people come, I've seen people go. I've seen companies come, I've seen companies go. I've seen technologies come, I've seen technologies go.

But over these several decades of experience, the worst, and I mean the very worst, people I've ever had to deal with are the hipsters that have weaseled their way in since 2008 or so. They've advocated for some of the worst technologies we've ever seen (JavaScript, Ruby on Rails, NoSQL), while engaging in some of the ugliest business and social practices (collecting and selling huge amounts of private information, "lifestyle businesses", scummy SEO tactics).

They aren't contained just to industry, either. They've got their rotten tentacles into open source projects, too. They've almost single-handedly destroyed GNOME 3 at this point. Firefox is not far behind. And their obsession with git (and GitHub) has basically destroyed the practice of proper releases, especially of libraries.

We need to shun these people. Anyone hiring in industry should avoid them at all costs. Anyone working on open source projects should refuse to let them contribute. While open source projects are often in desperate need of help, this is surely not the kind of help that is needed. We don't need hipsters involved with software development of any type.

Re:Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866817)

If you just stick to statically typed languages you avoid 99% of them. Dynamic typing is fucking retarded anyways so you aren't really missing much.

Re:Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866925)

The Python community isn't too bad. For the most part you just have to avoid Ruby, Javascript and Clojure.

Re:Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866965)

If it makes a useful product, why have typing anyway? This is a worthless concept anyways back to the days where one had to count bits in RAM in order to have their little pixel move up a few pixels, then make a bloop on a speaker.

The Web guys are the people actually earning the money in the industry. Everything else is just fungible work that can be outsourced for pennies on the dollar (or technically rupees on the dollar.)

Just admit your envy; the SEO guys drive a better car than you do.

Re:Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867043)

Ah, yes, the "You're just jealous!" excuse that people spew forth to justify stupidity. That ain't gonna work, cretin.

Re:Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867845)

Different AC here.

End product is what matters. SEO guys make stuff visible and make sales, without that no amount of work will result in any business success on the Internet. This is why they are the ones driving the 7-series BMWs (or perhaps G-series Mercedes if they like off-roading), while you shake your fist at them from your fixed-speed beater bike. When it comes to the bottom line, it is results that matter, not the language used.

Static typing writes unit tests for you (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#45867317)

For one thing, static typing is like having unit tests that your compiler automatically writes for you. It automatically catches certain classes of program defects before your program even starts running. For another, sometimes you do have to count bits when you're trying to squeeze 10,000 concurrent HTTP or HTTPS connections [wikipedia.org] on one server.

Re:Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45868679)

Right on brother. Also FORTRAN is for pussies who are too lazy to code everything in assembly.

Re:Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. (1)

Trepidity (597) | about 7 months ago | (#45866889)

The preferred term is "brogrammer".

Re:Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866943)

"Brogrammers" are merely a subset of "hipsters". They're the ones who usually started studying business in college, often in some vain attempt to follow daddy or grandpapa into the family business. However, they're dumb as shit, but big on ego. They end up failing out of college, and end up in the Web 2.0 "start up" scene where they can pretend to be "entrepreneurs". They may learn a token amount of JavaScript or Ruby, but their main strength is chumming it up with fellow failures.

"Hipsters" also include "designers", "UX experts", "code ninjas", "rockstars", "marketing gurus", "Rubyists" and a whole host of other sub-types of losers. Although there's some overlap, they do bring distinct characteristics that are sure to cause disaster for any software project.

Re:Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. (1)

pspahn (1175617) | about 7 months ago | (#45866919)

Sounds like a great way to induce an age discrimination suit.

Re:Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867677)

Being a hipster is independent of age. Some are 18, some are nearly 30, others are in their 50s, and some are even older. They all need to be rejected, regardless of their ages.

Re:who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867901)

Rap Genius are the guys who want to burn Hollywood and fight the power that is Google.

Who gives a shit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866607)

Seriously, who worth their space in this universe gives even the tiniest of shits about anyone or anything called "Rap Genius"?

If the goal was to appear as utterly and embarrassingly trivial and shitty as possible, well.... Congratulations are in order.

Re:Who gives a shit? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866643)

There's apparently a website called "Rap Genius" and it's apparently popular among those who aren't geniuses. Hence, the rap part.

Re:Who gives a...? (1)

Ellie K (1804464) | about 7 months ago | (#45868725)

"Rap Genius" is a misleading and silly name for what, transcription software like DragonWriter? Actually, it might not even be that good (all I read about lately are Internet piecework/ sweatshops that are supposedly "social" and "democratizing"...except they aren't).

I know that Mark Andreessen funded it, but he isn't right about everything.

Google .... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866633)

Google are a bunch of cunts who direct 99% of their search traffic to sites with high "PageRank".

How do you get high PageRank? Simple, you have other sites with high PageRank link to you! Great!

But it turns out that very few other websites want to give you a "free link". Time to cheat the system!

Simply visit tens of thousands of blogs, posting spam at each one and including a link to your site. Voila! You now have PageRank, you have successfully beaten Google. Of course, if you do it in a way that Google can detect, then they ban you from the playground, no PageRank for you.

What a shitty way to determine which websites get the best results on Google. There are obviously even shittier ways, as proven by Bing etc.

Re:Google .... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866685)

But it turns out that very few other websites want to give you a "free link".

Want to know why? BECAUSE YOUR SITE FUCKING SUCKS!

Re:Google .... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866689)

I'm up for joining your startup to build a better search engine. You obviously have some clever ideas on how to do it.

He doesn't have to build anything. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866895)

He doesn't have to build an alternative in order to criticize Google and their search engine design and implementation. As a user of Google's offerings, he's more than qualified to criticize them however he sees fit.

manipulative SEO tactics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866647)

Mother fuckers.

They (SEOs) are the reason why you have to wade through pages of shit to get to the information you want.

They are the reason why I and people like me will ask a question and get pissed off when someone says "Let me google that for you" or "Why don't you just google it?!" I DID and all I got were links to shit! When I google to find out something I DO NOT WANT TO BUY CRAP! I WILL click on "Shopping" if I want to buy. GOD! What's so fucking hard about that?

They and the "Reputation Management" fuckers are the reason why liars, crooks and unethical business people and professionals continue to rip-people off and in some cases, cause irreverible physical harm.

Slashdot (5, Insightful)

CheezburgerBrown . (3417019) | about 7 months ago | (#45866659)

Delete this stupid article and smack whoever posted it. what a load of useless shit.

Re:Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866741)

Delete this stupid article and smack whoever posted it. what a load of useless shit.

+1

and yes, rap sucks ass!

Re:Slashdot (1)

Mario Affonso (3485821) | about 7 months ago | (#45867665)

I never comment ... but I have to this time. I concur; what an utterly useless piece of shit! Shame on slashdot!

Re:Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867699)

Delete this stupid article and smack whoever posted it. what a load of useless shit.

I couldn't agree more. The ban may have been lifted, but that doesn't mean they now deserve free links and free advertisement. If they want higher page rank, let them earn it.

Way to go, "Genius." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866667)

"Smart move."

Rap sucks ass! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866719)

Rap sucks ass!

Slashdot keeps on pushing the boundaries (5, Interesting)

mutube (981006) | about 7 months ago | (#45866723)

Unfortunately, it's the boundaries of how un-newsworthy content can be and still be called "news".

Someone I've never heard of does dodgy SEO, gets banned by Google, then gets the ban lifted (+- unproven allegation of favouritism) and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Happens every day, almost entirely to other people I've never heard of either.

Re:Slashdot keeps on pushing the boundaries (4, Interesting)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 7 months ago | (#45866779)

Unfortunately, it's the boundaries of how un-newsworthy content can be and still be called "news".

Someone "modded" it up at the Firehose, and Soulskill put it on the front page... It's probably a Slashvert, either paid to Dice or more likely paid to Soulskill.

Re:Slashdot keeps on pushing the boundaries (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 7 months ago | (#45866905)

Someone "modded" it up at the Firehose, and Soulskill put it on the front page... It's probably a Slashvert, either paid to Dice or more likely paid to Soulskill.

The future is coming [slashdot.org] ... and it's ugly and full of ads.

Re:Slashdot keeps on pushing the boundaries (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867131)

What I hate about the internet today - by Gus
1. SEO - it's obvious
2. The Cloud - security nightmare
3. Advertisements - pay for your own site, or get it off the internet. You're not doing anyone any favors
4. Social websites - facebook, twitter, google+, you all suck
5. Youtube - posting a 10 minute video explaining how to do something that you could have explained in 1 line of text
6. Web Forums - mail lists are better, you losers
7. IOT - I don't even want to hear about this, it's fucking ridiculous
8. Please add to my list or tell me why I'm a loon.

Re:Slashdot keeps on pushing the boundaries (1)

pspahn (1175617) | about 7 months ago | (#45866939)

The correct and appropriate typo would have been "Soulshill".

The standards are slipping, even by /. "standards" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866811)

Slashdot has never been known as a paragon of high-quality journalism. But things are surely getting worse as of late.

I've been here since early 1998, and things have gotten remarkably stupid around here lately. The submissions are utter crap. This is a perfect example. It used to be that there'd be maybe one or two absolutely idiotic ones per day. But these days it's basically the opposite. There are a couple of good submissions among a bunch of awful ones.

The moderation is getting pretty bad, too. I often see excellent comments moderated down, apparently only because they contain an "unconventional" or "painfully true" viewpoint. At least in the past we'd see multiple comments, often with very different viewpoints, modded up. It would only be blatant spam, penisbirds and goatses that would be modded down.

And don't even get me started on the beta site. Everything about it is so horrible. Everybody who has been forced to use it clearly hates it. It's a failed software project that should have been terminated a long time ago.

I liked coming to Slashdot because it wasn't Digg, it wasn't reddit, and it wasn't Hacker News. It was better than all of them, from the submissions to the discussion to the moderation. At least the ability to post anonymously is still around. That's the last thing keeping Slashdot as a viable news site, I feel.

I really hope that the situation changes at some point. I hope that the submission quality goes up. I hope that the moderation improves. I hope that Slashdot takes its own direction, rather than following Digg, reddit and HN down the path of tyranny and shit.

Re:The standards are slipping, even by /. "standar (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45868019)

I'm grumbling myself, having been around (and yes, trolling as AC sometimes) since pre-2000 myself. I changed users because I rather use a handle than my initials these days.

Beta.slashdot.org is awful.

Slashdot is bad, but what is out there is worse:

Reddit just has people cooing about BitCoin and any sentiment to the contrary will get feedback similar to posting to /b/ saying how you can't stand anonymous users and this should be illegal.

Digg is just plain fail. Too many people with lots of accounts that will bury you with their bots the second you say something out of the PC line.

So far, the sanest discussion I see outside of private mailing lists or heavily moderated forums tends to be /., but the articles seem mainly to be about how cool BitCoin is, How cool the triad of treason Manning/Assange/Snowden is, another "revelation" about the NSA, or some article cooing about the latest Apple toy and how Apple can never fail or make a dud product.

Re:Slashdot keeps on pushing the boundaries (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867493)

Happens every day, almost entirely to other people I've never heard of

... and I'm not interested reading about (unless it's real news, or for nerds, or stuff that at least matters somehow).

I see herds of Cowards leaving /. for good.

Google Abuse (0)

fermion (181285) | about 7 months ago | (#45866815)

Google has a right to do whatever it wants. This is a fact. It is a private firm, and if it wants to put up goatse.cx every time someone types in BING that is their right. I would defend it. However, such abuse would indicate they are not the right firm to depend for our internet searches, as does this event.

My understanding is that if someone typed in Rap Genius the site would not come up. This to me is simply unprofessional behavior on the side of Google. Yes, demote the ranking if someone uses another search term. Yes, put a mark next to it saying the site is on probabation. But to not list the site when that is what a user wants. Sheer child like temper tantrum.

I will tell you that when I do a popular search, I still get link farms, ad farms, and sites with only marginal content. On a recent search, the fourthwas one of those sites that just generate random words so they can get hits. How is this acceptable behavior?

Honestly I don't care about SEO manipulation. That is a google problem, and a problem they have created, and a problem they have not been able to fix, as far as I can tell. Punishing the free market for taking advantage of the fact that Google's algorithm is broken is not going to do anything.

A bit of history. Google replaced Alta Vista because Alta Vista used keywords. It depended on all websites to be honest and only put relevant keywords. Surprisingly, many websites were not honest and would track the most searched keywords and put those in so visitors would be directed to these sites, which often were nothing but link and ad farms, though no where as bad as what we see now. The problem was not solved by retaliation, but with a new search engine.

Google throws these temper tantrums because it can do nothing else. It can't innovate, it wastes so much money that it can't do research, and spends so much money killing other innovation that we can't get a new engine. So it sues, it creates these arbitrary rules, and it won't work.

Re:Google Abuse (0)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 7 months ago | (#45866845)

agreed with all your points.

google searches are near worthless. most others are also the same, but google is supposed to be 'great'. they once were. they no longer are.

you mean to tell me that with all the genius power and funding google has, they can't weed out the link farms and fake sites that end up at the top of the search? I look for tech info and mostly I get SALES, SALES, SALES!! we want to sell things. we don't want to give info away.

the web is dead, compared to what its dream was and what it was for a short time before the eternal september phase.

but lets not have better search. lets, instead, waste money on self driving cars, spy eyeglasses and other bullshit that no one asked for or wants.

google -has- jumped the shark. I wonder who the next good search engine will be?

Re:Google Abuse (1)

Threni (635302) | about 7 months ago | (#45866857)

> google searches are near worthless

You clearly aren't a developer who needs quick answers to edge-case problems which have affected a hangful of other people (including your client), or someone stalking their...uh...forget that - go with the programmer thingy.

Re:Google Abuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866907)

You clearly aren't a developer who needs quick answers to edge-case problems which have affected a hangful of other people (including your client)

I'm a sysadmin who needs quick answers to edge-case problems which have affected a handful of other people, including my client.

Google is fucking worthless. In fairness, so is every other search engine. Yahoo and Bing are complete shit, and the lesser known search engines don't have the massive indices needed to find rare info.

And this, my friends, is why e-mail is still around, and mailing lists will never die.

Re:Google Abuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867049)

A developer myself often have to search for info on tools and obscure problems with compilers and other stuff. With some exeptions there is no help. Sometimes there is even no documentation to speak of. Things that are used often and by many (git python etc) suffer from too many posts that are often misleading or outright wrong. The problem you describe is not with Google but with modern development practice. "Working software is more important than comprehensive documentation" they say and you get no documentation, half way working software and no support. Gaming is a bit different with that but the rest is bad engineering practice by people that think they are scientists or artists whereas one needs a craftsman. This sad g00gle became shifty these days - difficult to find good porn...

Re:Google Abuse (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about 7 months ago | (#45867015)

agreed. In my job I use google all day long to troubleshoot and whatI need is usually within the top 3 results. Granted my searches are usually for a specific error code

Re:Google Abuse (1)

fred911 (83970) | about 7 months ago | (#45868577)

"whatI need is usually within the top 3 results. Granted my searches are usually for a specific error code"

I agree. The problem with many, many result pages are the users queries. Properly formed queries provide useful results.

Re:Google Abuse (0)

cdecoro (882384) | about 7 months ago | (#45867389)

Why the hell has the parent post been modded (1, Redundant)? This is the most insightful post I've seen on /. all day. Shame on the mods.

Re:Google Abuse (1)

slimjim8094 (941042) | about 7 months ago | (#45867681)

He was modded redundant because it's bullshit. In the same breath, he complains about useless results due to spam as well as Google's attempt to stop people making the results useless due to spam. And apparently Google's algorithms are "broken" because they "created" a problem, namely SEO manipulation. But then he goes on to explain that AltaVista was subject to SEO manipulation as well. And he's condemning Google for attempting to fix it, while blaming them for being unable to! After using this silly logic to come to some (wrong, but still) weak conclusions, he goes on to make broad proclamations about the demise of Google, while complaining about lawsuits (like what?) and "arbitrary rules" (like these [google.com] ? Seems like they're pretty reasonable, and Rap Genius admitted to violating them). Easily the most worthless comment I've read on Slashdot in months, at least above score 0, and that's saying something.

It gets even better when the website in question has said (from the fine summary!): "First of all, we owe a big thanks to Google for being fair and transparent and allowing us back onto their results pages. We overstepped, and we deserved to get smacked". But apparently this is Google being abusive and throwing a temper tantrum (which he says twice). Someone should tell Rap Genius, because they don't seem to think so.

Re:Google Abuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45868503)

All such posts are modded down. I suspect googlers get bonus when the manage image on social networks, not to mention the paid astroturfers

Re:Google Abuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867991)

Google has a right to do whatever it wants. This is a fact. It is a private firm, and if it wants to put up goatse.cx every time someone types in BING that is their right. I would defend it. However, such abuse would indicate they are not the right firm to depend for our internet searches, as does this event.

What other choice do we have? government-backed search engine?

if he was that "tight"... (1)

Hohlraum (135212) | about 7 months ago | (#45866827)

they wouldn't have banned him in the first place. they would have contacted em and then made them resolve it.

and /. is helping them out (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45866901)

And thanks for helping the losers out /.

How much did they pay the editors for this piece of garbage?

rap genius (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867067)

dumb jew motherfuckers like *witz are the reason hiphop has gone to shit

of course their jew friends get special treatment by google. a normal little guy would be banned forever, and their name would never be mentioned.

Thanks jewdot.

the advertizing genius (5, Insightful)

BringsApples (3418089) | about 7 months ago | (#45867081)

I didn't RTFA I didn't even finish reading the whole summary. This is stupid advertizing. This makes me feel like looking for other news outlets...

Re:the advertizing genius (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867411)

Thanks for the info.
Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Re:the advertizing genius (2)

BringsApples (3418089) | about 7 months ago | (#45868005)

Thanks for the info. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

I think my cable company told me basically the same thing when I cut them out of my life 8 years ago, for so much advertizing. Turns out, there's a big push for getting rid of advertizing these days, by many folks. I guess you could get with the fine folks over at Netflix and see if they agree.

You may also be able to get with the folks at slashdot, like 10 years ago. Each article used to draw in at least 350 responses. These days, looks like 100 is about average, 350 is going to have something to do with the NSA, and 150-200 will be a good discussion about actual 'news for nerds, stuff that matters'. I'm sure that if they keep up the same lazy editing, shotty stories, and advertizing, in another 10 years slashdot will be all but gone. If Google News enable a discussion for viewers, then slashdot should be very worried.

I Have An Important Question (1)

The Cat (19816) | about 7 months ago | (#45867125)

When did Google become the Internet police?

By what authority do they intentionally deface other people's web sites (this site has MALWARE [whether it does or not]) and libel them publicly with neither due process nor legal authorization?

Defacing someone's web site is arguably a criminal offense to say nothing of copyright and trademark infringement.

Google? Who exactly do you think you are?

Re:I Have An Important Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867209)

Jesus, you're a moron. An Ayn Rand Paul Coo Coo Nut, I assume.

Business Insider Article is a Gem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867193)

From the article on Business Insider:
1. It's pretty crazy that Google can just do this to a company. How is this legal? Google is so essential to so many companies, and yet it's virtually unregulated and can do what it wants to decimate a company. Rap Genius had better have been committing some seriously shady SEO tricks to get this sort of a punishment. Otherwise, this seems unfair.

That's a high-quality writer there.

No-lose strategy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867571)

So the lesson is to spam, and if you get caught, disavow the links that trigger Google penalty?

Sounds like a no-lose proposition.

muod down (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45867707)

are about 7000/5 ProjEct somewhere Worthwhile. It's And reports and Distro is done Here BSD's filesystem so there are people not going home
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