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Windows 9 Already? Apparently, Yes.

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the gift-that-keeps-on-giving dept.

Microsoft 1009

Nerval's Lobster writes "A little over a year after Microsoft released Windows 8, and a mere three months after it pushed out a major update with Windows 8.1, rumors abound that Windows 9 is already on its way. According to Paul Thurrott's Supersite for Windows, Microsoft will begin discussing the next version of Windows (codenamed 'Threshold,' at least for the moment) at April's BUILD conference. 'Threshold is more important than any specific updates, he wrote. 'Windows 8 is tanking harder than Microsoft is comfortable discussing in public, and the latest release, Windows 8.1, which is a substantial and free upgrade with major improvements over the original release, is in use on less than 25 million PCs at the moment.' Microsoft intends Threshold to clean up at least a portion of Windows 8's mess. Development on the latest operating system will supposedly begin in late April, which means developers who attend BUILD won't have access to an early alpha release—in fact, it could be quite some time before Microsoft locks down any new features, although it might double down on Windows 8's controversial 'Modern' (previously known as 'Metro') design interface. Yet if Thurrott's reporting proves correct, Microsoft isn't abandoning the new Windows interface that earned such a lackluster response—it's betting that the format, once tweaked, will somehow revive the operating system's fortunes. With Ballmer leaving the company and a major reorganization underway, it'll be the next Microsoft CEO's task to make sure that Windows 9 is a hit; in fact, considering that rumored 2015 release date, shepherding the OS could become that executive's first major test."

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9.1 (5, Funny)

OffTheLip (636691) | about a year ago | (#45941129)

I'm waiting for 9.1. Don't want to be first in the pool.

Re:9.1 (5, Insightful)

JMJimmy (2036122) | about a year ago | (#45941179)

100% guaranteed they continue in the metro vein and continue to obscure/drop features/settings and continue to be "dumbfounded" as to why no one wants to buy it.

Re:9.1 (3, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year ago | (#45941277)

Threshold of unusability, most likely.

Call it "This is it" (4, Interesting)

h00manist (800926) | about a year ago | (#45941519)

They should call it the "this is it" version. Make a grand video of the rehearse of its pre-release beta version. Hire a tech doctor to put it to sleep with anethesia. Have a great big media trial and debate. Then admit it's dead.

Re:9.1 (5, Insightful)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about a year ago | (#45941545)

Microsoft refuses to acknowledge the one simple truth that could save them:

No one who chooses to use a PC instead of a tablet wants to see Metro. Ever.

Re:9.1 (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941799)

I use a PC, and I love Metro! I'll have Metro, Metro, Metro, Metro, Metro, Metro, Metro, Metro, Metro, Metro, baked beans, and Metro!

Re:9.1 (5, Funny)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#45941281)

They are so consistent with this crap lately, I'm starting to wonder if it isn't a strategy: let the consumers beta test and debug the next big corporate version. The last corporate version was XP, now it seems to be 7. If I wasn't being ironic, I'd suggest that the next corporate version will be Windows X.

Re:9.1 (4, Interesting)

JMJimmy (2036122) | about a year ago | (#45941517)

Oddly enough, the bugs I can deal with. The horrid interface, the gradual removal of control, and attempts to mimic apple's walled garden is what I take issue with.

Re:9.1 (5, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45941461)

They should hire me to fix it...

It's quite simple, really:
a) If somebody is in "Metro" mode they stay there until they deliberately switch to "desktop".
b) If somebody is in "desktop" mode, they stay on the desktop until they deliberately switch to "Metro".

Switching between the two should be an easy gesture, maybe even a special new key on machines with a proper mouse/screen/keyboard.

(And maybe the "scroll lock" key could work for us Model M diehards - is that really too much to ask? It even means we get a "Metro" warning light on the keyboard as a bonus feature).

How hard can that be?

Re:9.1 (4, Interesting)

jbolden (176878) | about a year ago | (#45941607)

They don't want that. What they want is that desktop gradually retreats to acting more like a guest OS / GUI on a Metro based system. Moreover that is really suboptimal even now. Far better is:

large screen = desktop
small touch screen = metro

Re:9.1 (5, Interesting)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year ago | (#45941739)

They shouldn't have two GUI modes based on entirely different paradigms. It's absolute madness. Trying to make a desktop operating system behave like a smartphone operating system is just idiotic. I get the MS was trying to plant the psychological seeds to make the Surface and desktop offerings a unified target, but Surface and Surface RT just aren't selling and, in a time of shrinking PC sales, they've shot themselves in the foot. Whatever master plan they had with the Metro interface, it's been a failure on all fronts.

To show you how bad it is, I ordered some laptops from one of our main suppliers a few weeks ago. I didn't even have a chance to request downgrade rights to Windows 7 Pro when my rep simply said "And these come with Windows 7 Pro installed, but we can install the upgrade media if you want it." This is one of the biggest hardware and software providers for enterprise and government in Canada, and they're selling new hardware with Windows 7 out of the box simply because no one in enterprise or government wants anything to do with Windows 8.

Re:9.1 (5, Funny)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#45941505)

Yeah, I clicked the links. The images supplied show a metro theme. I've never quite decided whether I had more interest in metro, or in cutting off my body parts. Tough decision. I'll continue to put off the decision while I run a Unix-like OS.

Re:9.1 (0)

Anaerin (905998) | about a year ago | (#45941597)

Well, it works for Apple...

Re:9.1 (2)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#45941681)

I fear you're right but hope you're wrong. My laptop is about 5 years old and I've used it heavily (I wrote Nobots on it, see my sig if you're curious) and have been shopping for a replacement. But all the new ones are either Chrome, W8, or Apple. Apple would be acceptable if they weren't so expensive, but I don't trust Google any more and W8 is an unusable clusterfuck.

And the guy at the store said installing Linux on one (he had Chrome and Windows) would void the warrantee. Screw that, if it has a factory hardware defect that isn't readily apparent I'm screwed.

So I really hope you're wrong and Microsoft pulls its head out of its ass. I do NOT want a phone' interface on my computer and I don't want a computer interface on my phone.

It kind of bums me out a little.

Re:9.1 (5, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | about a year ago | (#45941763)

'The guy at the store' rarely knows what he is talking about. As him to show you the warranty text and point out where it says installing your own software voids it.

Re:9.1 (2)

AvitarX (172628) | about a year ago | (#45941771)

I'd recomend a macbook air for the extra $50-$100/year, if portability is your thing at least (the fact that you consider Chromebooks leads me to believe you're looking for small).

Re:9.1 (4, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#45941219)

I'm waiting for 9.1. Don't want to be first in the pool.

It'll be fine. It's really just going to be re-badged Windows 7.

Re:9.1 FTFY (-1, Redundant)

zlives (2009072) | about a year ago | (#45941247)

"It'll be fine. It's really just going to be RE-re-badged Windows 7."

Re:9.1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941291)

I liked Mojave!

Re:9.1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941427)

that would be fine by me ! ! !
signed,
very disgruntled win8.1 user (with win7 start substitute shell thingy on top, microsoft bitchez)
hate, Hate, HATE, win8

Re:9.1 (1)

mjwx (966435) | about a year ago | (#45941611)

I'm waiting for 9.1. Don't want to be first in the pool.

It'll be fine. It's really just going to be re-badged Windows 7.

Well unless Microsoft really want to screw with their main revenue source (business), it will be.

Windows 7 and Windows XP weren't successful because they were radical, they were successful because they were more of the same, but slightly better. Considering that the majority of MS customers already pay by the year for the same products (Windows licenses, not Windows itself) incremental improvements would be a solid business model. Radical features can be introduced one at a time as opposed to all at once.

Re:9.1 (0)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#45941811)

I hope you're right but fear you're wrong. Windows 7 has lots of frustrating behaviors and isn't nearly as good as KDE but it's not all that bad. W8 is.

I want to make sure a new machine has no factory defects before I slap Linux on it... laziness has kept it on this one. I'd had the first one a few months before Windows suicided on it (Acer's fault, they've fixed the problem) then it was stolen.

Poor thieves probably asking the same thing people ask me in the bar when I'm writing, "What version of Windows is that?"

If W9 is rebranded W7 I'll be OK with it.

Re:9.1 (4, Funny)

QuietLagoon (813062) | about a year ago | (#45941815)

It'll be fine. It's really just going to be re-badged Windows 7.

If that is the case, then Windows 9.x may actually have a chance.

.
Unfortunately, I doubt if Microsoft will be able to backtrack like that and call it progress.

Re:9.1 (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#45941439)

Does that mean you're skipping 8 altogether, or you already jumped in that pool?

Re:9.1 (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#45941765)

the driver for reading this message will not run in this version of windows, please upgrade to windows x

What Microsoft really needs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941453)

%s/Windows [8-9]/Windows 7/g

Re:What Microsoft really needs (4, Insightful)

bob_super (3391281) | about a year ago | (#45941609)

That happens to be Microsoft's biggest problem.

They had a really hard time convincing people that they needed more than XP, and they finally got it right with 7, when a decade did make XP clunky for modern hardware.

Barring some industry revolution, convincing people that 7 is outdated is going to be near impossible, for at least another 5 years.

It works, and has all the features that any non-geek needs.

Re:9.1 (4, Funny)

ranton (36917) | about a year ago | (#45941555)

This version of Windows is guaranteed to be great. Windows has been going back and forth between one crap version and one great version for over a decade.

It is kind of like some IQ test pattern matching questions:
Win 95 - crap
Win 98 - great
Win ME - crap
Win XP - great
Vista - crap
Win 7 - great
Win 8 - crap
Win 9 - (see the pattern?)

Re:9.1 (3, Insightful)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#45941785)

Windows NT? Windows 2000?

Re:9.1 (3, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#45941801)

Not unlike Star Trek movies. :-P

Of course, the big question is if they'll break pattern and have two good releases back to back, or, if they'll break pattern and have two releases back to back which suck.

Oh, and you've forgotten about Windows 2003, which to the best of my knowledge falls into the 'great' category since it's still widely used.

Interface wise can it get worst? (2)

Ravaldy (2621787) | about a year ago | (#45941151)

The H/W support and other features of Windows 8 were completely overshadowed by the interface. Fix the interface and maybe MS gets a third chance.

Re:Interface wise can it get worst? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941275)

anal mouse interface?

Re:Interface wise can it get worst? (3, Interesting)

NewWorldDan (899800) | about a year ago | (#45941327)

I rather like Windows 8. The only thing I really want is to integrate Metro apps with the desktop and run them inside of a regular window, which will allegedly be added to Windows 9.

Also, when you go to 'All Programs' on the new start menu, it's a horrible mess. Sort it alphabetically and let each group start a new column. Otherwise, I'm very happy with 8.1.

Re:Interface wise can it get worst? (4, Informative)

Guspaz (556486) | about a year ago | (#45941381)

In the mean time, Stardock's ModernMix does exactly that (run metro apps in a regular window). Combine that with their Start8 app and Windows 8 is a perfectly comfortable experience for a Windows 7 user.

Re:Interface wise can it get worst? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941487)

Here's a message the CEO of Stardock (Brad Wardell) sent to the employee asking him to stop talking about her nipples:

Hi Alexandra,

Thank you for bringing these up to me as I certainly do not want you to feel uncomfortable at work.

I don't recall item #1 but will certainly endeavor to be extra careful.

I understand #2. I will be more conscious of this in the future.

#3, however is not acceptable to me. I am an inappropriate, sexist, vulgar, and embarrassing person and I'm not inclined to change my behavior. If this is a problem, you will need to find another job.

#4, Again, I am not willing to adapt my behavior to suit others. IF you find my behavior problematic, I recommend finding another job.

I'm not some manager or coworker of yours. I own the company. It, and your job here, exist to suit my purposes, not vice versa. The company is not an end unto itself, it is a means to an end which is to further the objectives of its shareholders (in this case, me).

While I certainly agree that your rights as a person (certainly in terms of physical contact or interms of comments made towards you regarding your private live) take precedence over my rights as the owner of the business, that is as far as it goes.

I sincerely apologize for offending you while on our trip. I certainly would never intentionally try to upset you or make you uncomfortable and will endeavor to avoid doing so in the future. However, I won't change my basic personality to suit anyone (i.e. being an inappropriate, sexist, vulgar and embarrassing person).

Kind regards,

Brad Wardell, CEO

HELL YEAH (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941683)

I WANT TO WORK FOR STARDICK!

Re:Interface wise can it get worst? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941485)

It is not that bad, but the most annoying thing is the search broken into apps and services. When I type regedi nothing comes up, add the "t" and it finds it.

Vista/7 (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#45941153)

Time to party like it's 2009! [wikipedia.org]

Again!

Re:Vista/7 (1)

CTU (1844100) | about a year ago | (#45941329)

Yeah pritty much, MS tried to force a change that people did not like, just like Vista.

Re:Vista/7 (4, Insightful)

Andrio (2580551) | about a year ago | (#45941479)

Unfortunately, the disaster that is Windows 8 can in no way compare to Vista. Vista's shortcomings primarily came from a sloppy implementation of user-land, a bloated and sluggish system, and poor driver support. The UI was a fine improvement over XP, and most of the issues Vista had were fixed with updates over time.

With Windows 8, the desktop environment has fundamentally been changed. They created an OS designed around tablets, and then shipped it to desktops and laptops. They're betting the farm that if they introduce their tablet OS on the desktop, people will--in the long run--go with Windows tablets and Windows phones because it's what they'd be used to from their desktop/laptop. In short, MS has been convinced that their salvation lies in leveraging their desktop monopoly to make their tablets/phones more popular.

Of course, the underestimated how shitty and terrible trying to use a touch interface is an a desktop environment. The end result is that anyone with a clue is avoiding Windows 8 like the plague. They need to go back to classic Windows (Here's a suggestion, name Windows 9 "Windows XP 2" since everyone liked XP), and just acknowledge that the desktop environment will never go away, but it will also not be as ubiquitous as it once was.

Re:Vista/7 (3, Interesting)

number17 (952777) | about a year ago | (#45941809)

With Windows 8, the desktop environment has fundamentally been changed.

Basically they created a start screen instead of start menu.

Oh ya, the start screen can also run these other apps which you don't have to use.

They're going to go the Firefox route (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941167)

Windows 20 is planned for next fall.

Already? Windows 8 Rls 2012, Windows 8 2015.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941191)

Seems the standard major release schedule to me

Re:Already? Windows 8 Rls 2012, Windows 8 2015.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941273)

oops meant Windows 9x in 2015, Still July-Aug Windows 8 release and a July-Aug Windows 9 release, is this not normal?

Re:Already? Windows 8 Rls 2012, Windows 8 2015.. (1)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about a year ago | (#45941713)

It's not so much normal, I don't there is a 'normal' for major OS releases from microsoft, but 2015 is definitely reasonable.

Microsoft needs a deep pipeline for their products and they need to start taking about them early so developers have time to try stuff out. It's just not realistic to try and write the next Windows mostly in secret and behind NDA's and then land it on everyone's door step a month or two before release.

If they are going to talk about it in April and then maybe release in 2015, well truth be told that's probably not fast enough, but I'm not sure you can be expected to make it work much faster.

Breaking the rule (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941203)

So this will be the Star Trek: Nemesis version, the one that breaks the rule that every other release is OK.

CEOs don't actually shepherd anything... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941217)

...they're just blame piñatas. It's easy to pin the failures of an entire company on a CEO and replace him than it is to admit the problem is rooted more deeply than that.

Needs a lancher api. (3, Insightful)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year ago | (#45941223)

Write a good clean seperation for the launcher and let app developers go to town, like they do on Android. Let the best one win, and incorperate its fearues as the offical one.

Re:Needs a lancher api. (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#45941363)

I've always said that the purposed of Windows 8 was not the interface, it was the introduction of their 'App Store'. They want the same think Apple has with iOS (and to a lesser degree, OSX); they want a cut of all sales and the ability to dictate what can be installed. It will be interesting to see if either the interface or the app store goes away ... I'm betting the interface will go before the app store does. I'd say I hope I'm wrong, but I don't. The more they lock users and development shops out, the more will join Valve on Linux.

Re:Needs a lancher api. (2)

jbolden (176878) | about a year ago | (#45941647)

No they don't care much about the app store. The purpose of Windows 8 is ubiquitous computing, applications that can seamless transform from small form factors (like phones) through tablet interfaces through to desktops.

From 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6cNdhOKwi0 [youtube.com]

Re:Needs a lancher api. (1)

doesnothingwell (945891) | about a year ago | (#45941719)

Guerrilla marketing slogans like Windows 8 it's really a Lock down System not an Operating System, or if you loved AOL your really gonna like Windows 8. Might get the message across but I doubt it.

I'm just tired of Redmond fucking up the desktop. The tweens can have Windows 8 and beyond, I think the grownups need to look elsewhere. We're not the demographic Microsoft is looking for.

Is it safe to say that if you loved WWII... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941481)

...you'll love Hogan's Heroes? I mean Windows 9?

Re:Needs a lancher api. (1)

mjwx (966435) | about a year ago | (#45941707)

Write a good clean seperation for the launcher and let app developers go to town, like they do on Android. Let the best one win, and incorperate its fearues as the offical one.

I'm an Android fan... but no.

Most people will get saddled with whatever their manufacturer decides to give them. One of Windows' strengths is Androids weakness, uniformity. Someone who has used Windows in other jobs or even other parts of their lives knows the interface. Considering that Windows is a business tool first and foremost, you dont want to be forced to familiarise every staff member with the SOE's most basic interface.

The best interface for Windows is the one they've been using all along. Although the Windows XP and 7 UI are much improved over Windows 3.1, the basics are still the same.

Killer app? (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year ago | (#45941239)

Other than MS breaking DX on newer versions, whats the killer app for yet another Windows GUI makeover? 64bit? real security? Multiple monitor support? Fonts?

Other than gamers and people stuck on the MSOffice upgrade treadmill, I don't see anyone needing the upgrade past 7.

Re:Killer app? (5, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#45941305)

Proper high-DPI support would be quite important.

Re:Killer app? (1)

ericloewe (2129490) | about a year ago | (#45941541)

- The end of support, like XP is about to experience
- Support for newer hardware (not a problem with 7 yet, same should go for Vista, if not for artificial limitations)
- Progressive improvements that don't get backported (Windows 8's file transfer system comes to mind)
- Whatever real new features each version has (Vista: Completely reworked security model and driver models, 7: Nothing much beyond progressive improvements and fixing Vista, 8: Metro and associated stuff, 9: Same as 7, hopefully fixing 8.)

Re:Killer app? (1)

jbolden (176878) | about a year ago | (#45941701)

The killer feature is for hardware manufacturers. It gives them an OS to target.

The other killer feature is dropping the elements of legacy interfaces that evolved slowly as DOS/Windows transitioned from a dual floppy based character system to a modern GUI with SSD and cloud services.

Re:Killer app? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year ago | (#45941759)

There are certaintly features that can be improved upon in 7.
8 didn't try to improve; it tried to be different for the sake of being different.

Begin mass speculatrometer (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941241)

Knowing Microsoft, this is what they're going to do:

- Remove Right-Click capability
- Remove all menu bars and hotkeys
- Require SuperAdmin privileges for everything from resizing a window to shutting down the computer
- Make MSOffice 100% touch-screen compatible, removing all mouse compatibility
- Make ribbons 60% bigger
- Remove ability to save over existing files

Re:Begin mass speculatrometer (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#45941357)

I would be happy if Internet Explorer and Media Player got their title bar text back.

You forgot (2)

melikamp (631205) | about a year ago | (#45941659)

+ 10% more pink on everything. Can't go wrong with pink.

Missing the boat (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941267)

MS shouldn't create any new versions of Windows O/S. It should take Windows 7 and make it a subscription-based product. Pay $50/year and MS will maintain it in its current form forever. It has everything that it needs to have - all it needs is ongoing support for bug/security fixes. No more churn on hardware. No more churn on software. Just make Windows 7 the new standard so that any investment into hardware/software for Windows 7 is never thrown out and make Windows 7 rock solid. I would happily pay $50/year to have the O/S locked down and put into maintenance mode in perpetuity.

not the PC consumer version (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941535)

Windows Embedded Standard 7 is supported at least until July 27, 2025. Perhaps you're dealing with the wrong area of Microsoft.

Re:Missing the boat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941601)

MS shouldn't create any new versions of Windows O/S. It should take Windows 7 and make it a subscription-based product. Pay $50/year and MS will maintain it in its current form forever. It has everything that it needs to have - all it needs is ongoing support for bug/security fixes. No more churn on hardware. No more churn on software. Just make Windows 7 the new standard so that any investment into hardware/software for Windows 7 is never thrown out and make Windows 7 rock solid. I would happily pay $50/year to have the O/S locked down and put into maintenance mode in perpetuity.

Seconded.

The more they hire UX designers to fuck up the interface, the worse it gets. Sometimes "good enough" is good enough. Windows is done. It should be put in maintenance mode and milked like the cash cow that it once was, and still could be.

Re:Missing the boat (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#45941671)

Uhhh, face it. Things do get obsolete. I kinda had your opinion back when I finally got Windows XP. A lot of people seemed to have the same opinion of Win2K. In their day, both were pretty damned great.

Windows 7 really is pretty decent. Especially in 64 bit - it's a little better than decent.

But, things are going to change, and in five or ten years, Win7 will have to be phased out to make room for the next great thing. There won't be a long term stable operating system for a few decades, at least. Maybe around the year 2100, you can buy a computer that can be expected to run for a man's lifetime. Or at least the lifetime of the hardware allowing for replacement of components a few times. Maybe. But, even then, I doubt it.

Metro (2, Insightful)

Rataerix (2814199) | about a year ago | (#45941283)

As long as Windows 9 has metro is won't a hit. Microsoft doesn't seem willing to change any major issues people have with 8/8.1, Windows 9 will probably turn out to be is a bunch of little fixs, basically 8.2, but with a huge price tag.

Re:Metro (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941405)

I expect that Modern UI will still be around for a while, but the rumors are strong that the Start Menu will make a comeback soon.

Re:Metro (0)

ericloewe (2129490) | about a year ago | (#45941575)

Don't be an idiot. If Metro is there but you don't have to use it, there's nothing to complain about. Metro is very good for tablets, so it's definitely not disappearing.

Yes, I do want it completely removed from my desktop (that includes the old start menu and the network selection), but I quite like it on my tablet.

Simple fix (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941321)

Drop the Metro/Modern interface, and focus on the desktop for business use - that is where Microsoft has always had it's strongest showing. If they don't, and insist that it's all touch, all Metro, all the time, they have just ceeded the business desktop to the Linux variants such as Mint and Ubuntu.

Re:Simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941513)

Linux desktop still has its fair share of problems: bugs, regressions, changing APIs, fragmentation, slow performance. Modern UI is still a smaller problem for many.

Metro on servers (3, Interesting)

Monoman (8745) | about a year ago | (#45941369)

Metro on servers is a big turn off but MS will be slow to accept that server admins have different GUI needs. Sure core is catching on some but the GUI users will stick around until forced to use powershell.

Re:Metro on servers (2)

JudgeFurious (455868) | about a year ago | (#45941673)

You know, oddly enough I don't have nearly as much trouble using Metro/Modern on my servers as I do on my desktop. I guess it's because I only do a small number of things on the server and I can place those to the Start menu and go on about my business. For me it's the exact opposite on the desktop. Like a lot of people I have a bunch of programs that I use (and have used for years) and I just want my "desktop" when I'm working on my desktop.

Re:Metro on servers (5, Informative)

mjwx (966435) | about a year ago | (#45941767)

Metro on servers is a big turn off but MS will be slow to accept that server admins have different GUI needs. Sure core is catching on some but the GUI users will stick around until forced to use powershell.

The problem isn't GUI users, its the fact Powershell is complete shite.

All this time I cant get a basic instruction on how Powershell works without getting a 500 page book. Learning Linux and AIX wasn't this hard (granted the Linux training covered a lot of the AIX ground).

Also you have to deal with different versions of Powershell, I once spent an entire day constructing a Powershell script for Exchange 2007 only to find out it required Powershell v3 and only v2 was installed on 2008 by default. It was easier to get management to give up on the idea then go through change control to get Powershell updated.

A race between two crazy people (0)

istartedi (132515) | about a year ago | (#45941389)

A CEO of MSFT, doubling-down on the Metro fiasco, vs. Janet Yellen, Quadrupling-down on QE.

This is why you can't win shorting badly run companies these days.

Killed technet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941393)

They killed technet, so why would I go out and "test" new builds for them at retail price? You fucked us, time for us to fuck you back. :)

Won't reverse course... (1)

Junta (36770) | about a year ago | (#45941395)

Microsoft's goal is not to make laptop/desktop users happy. No mater how much they grumble, history has proven Microsoft needn't worry about other desktop/laptop platform alternatives. The people who need desktop/laptop that use Windows today will use it tomorrow. They might not get an upgrade for the sake of the new windows, but they were likely to not get an upgrade in the first place.

I expect MS to continue trying to throw the desktop users under the bus in the name of advancing their tablet/phone market. To them this probably means trying to evolve the 'modern' development environment (windows 8 modern apps are kind of crappy compared to the android/iOS alternatives in terms of navigation). One would reasonably hope that MS would wise up and give their desktop api rational capability to take advantage of higher DPI displays and window management capabilities that allow full screen apps without jumping headfirst into silverlight, but they don't have faith in Intel as a partner and still want to be on phones (even if they do see the doom in ARM tablets for them).

I don't get the whole 'new version' thing (1)

dtjohnson (102237) | about a year ago | (#45941399)

What is the point of a new 'Windows' version? Is it provide major new capabilities, change the user interface, help Microsoft, or what? Shouldn't Microsoft actually spend some time thinking about what its users want? Users want a) compatibility with all of their existing hardware and software, b) familiar interface, c) reliability, d) security, e) access to new hardware and software protocols, f) minimal cost. I am guessing that a 'Windows 9' will not provide any of those things except...possibly...in a limited way...e) since that's what Windows 8 provided. If that is the case, the Windows 9 is the answer to a question that Microsoft users are not asking and its very mention fills them with dread.

Re:I don't get the whole 'new version' thing (1)

jader3rd (2222716) | about a year ago | (#45941543)

Users want a) compatibility with all of their existing hardware and software, b) familiar interface, c) reliability, d) security

But the reality is that 'a' is mutually exclusive with 'c' and 'd'.

New Version == Revenue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941569)

A new version is the marketing departments opportunity to generate new revenue. There's little or no money to be had by fixing, tweaking, or incrementally improving the OS. Apple sells their updates and doesn't make squat!

But, if you have a radically new OS that is different, and improves X, and is the dawn of a new era, then hopefully marketing can create some desire/demand and sell that shit.

If not, they'll just discontinue the previous version and up the hardware requirements, so that when you buy a new computer, you're back on the treadmill.

Re:I don't get the whole 'new version' thing (2)

Trashcan Romeo (2675341) | about a year ago | (#45941805)

The point of a new Windows version is to generate revenue for Microsoft. Hope this helps.

Re:I don't get the whole 'new version' thing (1)

jbolden (176878) | about a year ago | (#45941817)

What is the point of a new 'Windows' version?

Ubiquitous computing. The ability to run the same applications on a huge range of form factors and have the applications adjust to the form factor.

Is it provide major new capabilities, change the user interface, help Microsoft, or what?

Major new capabilities and a shallower learning curve.

Users want a) compatibility with all of their existing hardware and software, b) familiar interface, c) reliability, d) security, e) access to new hardware and software protocols, f) minimal cost.

a) Obviously not. Users are buying mobile handsets and tablets in numbers far outstripping their x86 numbers
b) See (a). Also we know young people in particular are very unhappy with the Windows interface which they find confusing.
c) Windows 8 is slightly more stable
d) I'm not sure that's true. They want easy security but won't sacrifice much for security and don't buy security options when they are offered.
e) Windows 8 does that.
f) That's a problem. Microsoft is trying to drive up the cost of x86/Windows hardware to help it create distance from the ARM/Android and iOS ecosystem.

Windows 8 problems weren't the UI (5, Insightful)

secondsun (195377) | about a year ago | (#45941429)

Windows failed to learn a lot of the lessons that iOS and Android could have taught it. It failed to learn the lessons it should have from GNOME 3. It failed to bring the Internet to the desktop in a way which hadn't been tried in Windows since Windows 98.

Windows 8 finally brought us a managed application repository with automatic updates, monetization features, etc but only for modern UI. The Desktop apps were still their own special snowflakes stuck in "Don't accidentally a toolbar" install and update hell.

Windows 8 has tight integration with cloud services, but those are limited to only services and features hand picked by Microsoft and (last I checked) has no openness for third parties to integrate in the same way. GNOME 3 on the other hand, has lots of integration with various social and cloud services. Sign into Google for instance and your Google Docs are available in your Docs folder, your contacts show up in your Contacts app, your Google handouts get routed therough Empathy etc. Windows 8 does this for Facebook and Sky Drive but, again, only in the Modern UI.

Windows 8 Modern apps are firewalled from Windows 8 Desktop apps. Do you have Skype? You have two Skype apps. Do you have a chat client? You have two apps again. The same app on Android can run on everything from a wrist watch to a Television supporting tons of different input paradigms ALMOST natively (the developer has to do some basic UI legwork of course).

As a consequence of the previous point, lots of services (push notifications, application lifecycle management, etc) are available ONLY in Modern and not on the Desktop. Desktop apps still need to manage their own networking state and messaging. Many of the native applications were rebuilt as Modern full screen apps and their desktop equavalents were removed. The most galling is the Photo Viewer. If you open a picture in Explorer in the Desktop, all your windows go away and the image takes up the full screen.

In conclusion, Windows 8 problems don't stop at the Start Screen and framing the Start Screen as the biggest and only problem fundamentally misses what Microsoft did very, very wrong. Microsoft did not TRY to bring modern cloud technologies to the desktop. They ported their tablet OS to the desktop and stopped there.

i heard it's UNIX (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941451)

since they've been losing the cool developer community to MacOS X. if they do this and considering the cheaper MS hardware vs Mac Pro stuff I'd definitely buy it!

Why is anyone surprised? (4, Informative)

saleenS281 (859657) | about a year ago | (#45941531)

Microsoft stated with Windows 8 that they'd be moving to a far faster release cadence. What's with the surprise? The version number change... or? The title says it all - Windows 8 was released a year ago, windows 8.1 3 months ago. If they're going to get Windows 9 out the door anytime soon to follow the faster release cadence they'd HAVE to be working on it already. They probably started the second that Windows 8 shipped. Since everyone here appears to have a ridiculously short memory, let me remind you what was stated at Build 2013:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57591154-75/microsoft-moves-from-short-twitch-to-rapid-release-at-build-2013/ [cnet.com]

Oh joy more upgrades/updates (2)

Virtucon (127420) | about a year ago | (#45941557)

Oh joy a new set of incompatibilities and endless upgrades and updates await. Windows 8 broke a lot of desktop apps and 8.1 did the same, especially in the AV camp. Let's hope 9 at least maintains backward compatibility for app users otherwise it's more pain than it'll be worth.

Gaming Edition, Business Edition (3, Interesting)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#45941563)

Most people use Windows for one of those two things: gaming or business.

Make the following:
- Windows 2015: Gaming Edition, optimized for games, no useless services running in the background, only the bare utilities to help setup/add hardware easily.
- Windows 2015: Business Edition, optimized for business applications with strong support for emails, calendars, networking, etc.

Re:Gaming Edition, Business Edition (5, Funny)

debile (812761) | about a year ago | (#45941709)

- Windows 2015: Gaming Edition: Get a SteamBox!
- Windows 2015: Business Edition: Get Windows 7 ;-)

Re:Gaming Edition, Business Edition (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941793)

Good thing there is another company focusing on making a gaming OS for PC hardware:

http://store.steampowered.com/steamos/

How to make Windows 9 a hit (3, Insightful)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | about a year ago | (#45941585)

Take away all hardware purchased/built prior to 2011. The longevity of hardware purchases is the real culprit. People no longer feel compelled to upgrade their hardware every three years (give or take). Outside of the gaming community and niche video/photo workers, what does the average person do on their pc that one from 2007 can't handle?

Windows 8 = massive miscalculation (1)

XMark3 (2979399) | about a year ago | (#45941605)

They really shot themselves in the foot with Windows 8. They were trying to make it like a mobile OS, with the whole idea being that their interface is unified across desktop, tablet, phone, etc. But then their Surface tablets bombed and nobody ever really wanted a Windows phone... They failed to make a significant dent on the mobile market which is dominated by Apple and Google. So all they're left with is PC users wondering why their new computer is trying to act like a tablet, and everyone's just immediately going to the good old-fashioned desktop. They definitely need to go for the growing mobile market if they want to survive through the next decade, but at the same time they need to do it in a way that doesn't alienate their PC market.

Not holding my breath... (2)

unique_parrot (1964434) | about a year ago | (#45941627)

...since Microsoft want's a new "APPS" business model and consumers like me just want a fast, reliable operating system. These two don't get along very well (IMHO).

Strip! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941643)

How about a gaming OS, lose all the useless we don't need/use.

Basically win 7 stripped down to its barebones with better gfx/sound support, Id pay for this.

What I don't want is some gimmick like required touchscreen or annoying gadgets (I can get all these myself if/when I need these) Alot of gamers use Windows yet we have not seen a system catered to us, its always trying to horn in on apple's market or linux's, Windows do what you do best.

Regards
Fanboy Pc Gamer

New Windows Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941645)

The problem with Windows 8 is that not only did nobody want it on a new PC. But it was even worse on a older non touch screen PC. But on top of that you have Microsoft selling it at $120 for a upgrade! Seriously Microsoft after Apple the money grubbers they are started giving away OS X upgrades? Who in their right minds thinks anything Windows 8 has is worth $120 on a older PC if you have Windows 7? I sure as heck don't and would be hard pressed to adopt Windows 8.1 on a new PC. Microsoft's problem is that it has locked itself into a new path of a uniform OS that works across all Windows devices that not many really like. If Windows 9 is simply another increment advance to that path then I would guess it won't be any more embraced then Windows 8.1. Most of us remember how Microsoft screwed up Windows Vista, quickly came out with a SP1 which helped alleviate the aggravations with UAC and tweaked its performance. But in reality it was not until Windows 7 was Vista fully vindicated and the rename to Windows 7 simply defined that path. I don't expect Windows 9 to be that vindication yet again for Windows 8.1. I suspect Microsoft has no choice now but to carry forward with the duel OS UI of Windows 8 and try to get users to swallow that bitter pill. I only hope Windows 7 is supported as long as XP because it very well could be my last Windows OS I will use.

Can I code for the iPhone with it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941653)

No? Then I guess I'll stick with a MacBook Pro running OS X. Apple's lock-in is working, at least for developers.

Microsoft going the direction of Blackberry (1)

vikingpower (768921) | about a year ago | (#45941689)

Mark my words: some time after the release of Windows 9, Microsoft may be making losses for the first time in its history. Same thing as Blackberry: for having failed to have adapted to a changing market, in spite of many, many warning signals.

A large company can make mistakes, and even repeated mistakes if and when its pockets are deep. It can not, however, keep making only mistakes. Which leads us to the conclusion: Microsoft will get a last chance - Widows 10. With that, it will be quitte ou double.

Thank you MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941691)

Since the launch of windows 8 the wonderful product it is !!! I was forced to experience Linux for the first time. Thank you MS for showing me the light that there are better operating systems out there............. oh yeah and I didn't spend half a paycheck to get the OS, and Office programs, and all of the other awesome programs I got for free. Keep it up MS and Linux might have a chance at becoming competitive. Once people see its open at no cost and not as scary as they think the big switch could happen. ( ya I know I'm a dreamer)

unix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941721)

make it unix!!

Why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941779)

MSFT, since Vista, released new OS's every 3 years. 2015 is 3 years beyond 2012. Windows 8.1 would have been Windows 8 Service Pack 1 in MSFT's golden days.

No 's' in Windows. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45941827)

They should rename it Window 9, and drop the 's'. No more multiple windows. This is the design choice Microsoft has made. They've dropped the feature that made people want to use Windows and force a single Window format on users. They've dropped their namesake feature. It's ridiculous.

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