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Windows 8.1 Passes Windows Vista In Market Share

samzenpus posted about 5 months ago | from the growing-everyday dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "With the release of Windows 8.1 to the world in October, January was the third full month of availability for Microsoft's latest operating system version, which was just enough time for it to pass Windows Vista in market share. While Windows 8.1 is certainly growing steadily and eating into Windows 8s share, the duo only managed to end 2013 with 10 percent market share, barely impacting Windows 7."

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LOL (3, Interesting)

rossdee (243626) | about 5 months ago | (#46136025)

Wake me when it passes XP

Re:LOL (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136049)

Wake me when it passes XP

Well, that was the most funny bit in the article: XP is on the rise.

Windows XP meanwhile managed to regain some share after falling below the 30 percent mark at the end of 2013, increasing 0.25 percentage points (from 28.98 percent to 29.23 percent).

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136119)

Thats percentages for you. A tiny increase doesn't even necessarily mean a total unit increase.

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136123)

Plus the percentages don't even add up. At all. The Windows subtotals add up to 87.70% Whats that supposed to represent?

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136169)

The rest might be using 95 or earlier.

Re:LOL (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about 5 months ago | (#46136291)

The rest might be using 95 or earlier.

Except the graph already has those tabulated "Windows old, 0.10%"

Re:LOL (0)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about 5 months ago | (#46136401)

Or, the rest, as they say, 'would not open door'.

Re:LOL (1)

Delarth799 (1839672) | about 5 months ago | (#46136513)

More like "Kept the Windows closed"

Re:LOL (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about 5 months ago | (#46136313)

They could be listing the individual Windows OSes as percentages of the whole OS landscape. Except the subtotals should then add up to 90.72% and as you point out, they don't.

Re:LOL (4, Informative)

SeaFox (739806) | about 5 months ago | (#46136351)

I just added the figures myself and they add up fine. Parent needs to get a new calculator.
They are breaking down the Windows OSes as a part of the whole enchilada , not just Windows.

Re:LOL (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136321)

Plus the percentages don't even add up. At all. The Windows subtotals add up to 87.70% Whats that supposed to represent?

Calculate again. They add up properly.

Re:LOL (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | about 5 months ago | (#46136381)

Check your math. It adds up to 90.7%. Non-Windows makes up the rest.

Re:LOL (4, Interesting)

Mashiki (184564) | about 5 months ago | (#46136193)

Chances are this will be from the folks who have no migration path from the software they're using, and they're unwilling to drop it because it "does what it needs to do." We're in a rather interesting era for software, for businesses XP does just fine. The software works, and does it well. So unless your machines have internet access, you're probably going to hold off as long as you can.

On the consumer side, we don't have any big software pushing development. For gaming it's the same deal. And now with Microsoft not sure what it's doing with DirectX, other API's are looking more attractive to developers. OGL and Mantle chiefly, so could this be the beginning of the end of MS desktop dominance? Very possibly. If say Mantle catches on, it could be the deathknell for it. Since it works on AMD and Nvidia cards, it works on any OS since it's handled by the drivers.

Re:LOL (0)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 5 months ago | (#46136505)

Chances are this will be from the folks who have no migration path from the software they're using, and they're unwilling to drop it because it "does what it needs to do." We're in a rather interesting era for software, for businesses XP does just fine. The software works, and does it well. So unless your machines have internet access, you're probably going to hold off as long as you can.

On the consumer side, we don't have any big software pushing development. For gaming it's the same deal. And now with Microsoft not sure what it's doing with DirectX, other API's are looking more attractive to developers. OGL and Mantle chiefly, so could this be the beginning of the end of MS desktop dominance? Very possibly. If say Mantle catches on, it could be the deathknell for it. Since it works on AMD and Nvidia cards, it works on any OS since it's handled by the drivers.

Not a chance.

In the past the MBA's at software companies targeted the latest technologies as consumers would rush in to upgrade to take advantage of things like 32 bit. They used to value IT and programmers more who liked more modern stuff. Consumers needed to keep upgrading to not remain behind. Users made other users upgrade. The MBA's wanted to show off they used Word 2000! Great now you need Word 2000 too if you want to read their .doc files etc.

Now since IE 6 and XP kick in and it is full reverse.

The MBA's do not want to target later things as users who do not have x wont buy them. Users with X see no reason to upgrade or leave their crappy browsers as everyone caters to them and puts the hidden costs and technical debt unto themselves so why not? Users make users stay behind (suppliers forcing vendors to use IE 6 because they also use IE 6 etc). If MS changes a file format or OS to be incompatible MBA's make sure everyone else downgrades etc.

So Mantle? Sure they can add a patch I guess. Force it and DirectX 12 with Windows 9? Yeah hey boss LETS TELL 90% of our users to go SCREW THEMSELVES since we want shiny directX 12 and not want to support XP/7? Ain't happening as the shift is about supporting the user. Not the user supporting the tech as in the past.

Re:LOL (1)

fizzer06 (1500649) | about 5 months ago | (#46136241)

I bought two retail boxed copies of XP the last day they were available. One box opened, neither ever installed or the media handled. Any takers?

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136287)

No thanks, I've got a few infinity backups on the internet, and I'm sure one of the old computers I have in the basement have an old key on the bottom.

Re:LOL (1)

The123king (2395060) | about 5 months ago | (#46136411)

Just pirate it. It might technically be illegal, but if they're not selling it anymore, they're not losing profit from you pirating it. Sure it's still illegal in most places, but they technically can't sue you for lost profits.

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46136943)

Sure they can, That's the MPAA/RIAA/BSA reality of math.

Re:LOL (1)

ComputersKai (3499237) | about 5 months ago | (#46136473)

Wait... Windows Vista had a market?

Re:LOL (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 5 months ago | (#46136327)

What, you want to be the sleeping beauty that will never meet her prince?

Windows Vista users raped by horses (-1, Troll)

slashdot is sht (3508181) | about 5 months ago | (#46136031)

Slashdot, news for fucking bastards, stuff thats fucked up the ass.

Re:Windows Vista users raped by horses (2, Funny)

NFN_NLN (633283) | about 5 months ago | (#46136165)

Slashdot, news for fucking bastards, stuff thats fucked up the ass.

That was the original slogan but then marketing had to get involved....pfffttt marketing.

Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136033)

Will it pass XP too?

Wow, that's going to be tough (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136043)

Not having Steve Ballmer to kick around anymore. Nadella's take over will probably be announced this week or next.

Count the both minor versions... (2, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | about 5 months ago | (#46136047)

In all fairness I would bunch 8.0 and 8.1 together. Together they sum up to 10.58%.

Re:Count the both minor versions... (4, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | about 5 months ago | (#46136187)

While Windows 8.1 is certainly growing steadily and eating into Windows 8s share, the duo only managed to end 2013 with 10 percent market share

I think they did, "the duo" here seems to refer to 8 and 8.1 while the preceding sentence talked about Vista and 8.1. You could just as easily read it as Vista and 8.1 is "the duo" eating into the market share of 8 though, except it doesn't make any logical sense. Very confusingly written.

Well.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136063)

Because nobody in their right mind would want Windows 8/8.1 to begin with... But many are forced to have it when buying a new PC in store.
Thankfully, HP decided to bring back Windows 7 PCs, so that will help... Increasing windows 7 shares

Re:Well.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136127)

Its a whole lot of noise about nothing. If you really dont like it then set boot-to-desktop and then the only time you need to see the only thing that has changed (the start screen) is if you need to open an application that isnt pinned to the taskbar. Or install an alternative shell (less likely for most end users). Or install a start menu replacement. With all these options it appears the geeks and the tech community either have no influence on the average user or are more interested in pretending those options dont exist so as to have something to complain about rather than solving the problem. Same goes for all the bitching about GNOME3.

Re:Well.... (1, Interesting)

JeffAtl (1737988) | about 5 months ago | (#46136231)

Its a whole lot of noise about nothing. If you really dont like it then set boot-to-desktop and then the only time you need to see the only thing that has changed (the start screen) is if you need to open an application that isnt pinned to the taskbar

You make it sound like that scenario is rare - it's not and it's very frustrating.

Re:Well.... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136315)

Really? How often are you launching applications that arent pinned to your taskbar or shortcuts on your desktop? Really how hard is it to go to the start screen and click on an icon or start typing to find what you are wanting to open? It really isnt as a big a deal as some people make it out to be.

On the mac if i want to open a application i dont have on the dock or as a desktop shortcut i need to launch finder and then select "applications" then scroll the list to find what i want or open launchpad which is like the start screen or do a command+space and start typing which is really the same as on windows 8.

Re:Well.... (2)

aix tom (902140) | about 5 months ago | (#46136373)

Well, even if that is just "two hard" in comparison to the "one hard" of using the start menu, I would still choose the option that is less hard. If a new version is worse than the old, then there is no reason to switch in my mind.

And when I see the user base at our company, which freak out if the icons on their desktop change place, I can say that for at least 75% of that user base "just start typing" is *definitely* "too hard"

Re:Well.... (2, Funny)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 5 months ago | (#46136395)

Well, if you're on a mac, it kinda explains why you're so pro win8. MS sticking to 8 rather than rolling back to 7's UI is about the only chance apple has at becoming relevant on desktop outside US.

Re:Well.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136483)

Actually no. Unlike your preconceived, idiotic notion that everybody is a technology zealot with a religious devotion to whatever device, operating system or platform they use I do not have an emotional attachment to technology. Yes I have a mac and i also have a windows laptop and my mac dual-boots gentoo. I also do not care whether the mac becomes "relevant" by which i take it you mean to have a high marketshare as this does not affect me and has not affected me for the past 10 years that i have owned macs nor has the low marketshare of linux affected my use of gentoo nor did the low marketshare of windows phone affect my use of a windows phone 7.1 device which when my contract expired i switched to an iphone (though i still use the windows phone as a music player) which does not have that much more share of the phone market than mac does of the desktop one.

I feel sorry for people like you who cannot see past the end of their nose. your religious devotion to whatever technology you purchased is only limiting you, try opening your mind and educating yourself.

Re:Well.... (2)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 5 months ago | (#46136559)

No, it's just a hilarious commentary, because everyone except few who appear to be either paid to say so, or have a vested interest in windows failing in desktop market say it's horrible.

And they're not saying it with empty words but with heavy wallets.

Re:Well.... (1)

DeSigna (522207) | about 6 months ago | (#46136723)

Well, I can't speak for the GP, but I don't keep any shortcuts on my desktop and pinned items are a bare minimum of common-use apps (Outlook, Firefox, PowerShell, etc). Having icons sprayed everywhere just feels extremely messy.

Admittedly, since getting a Mac at home, I have gotten into the habit of just hitting the windows key and searching for what I want (similar to Cmd-Space for Spotlight), which works better in Win8, but I still find the start screen incredibly annoying and inconsistent compared to the simplicity of a Start Menu that I've had for a decade.

Before that I had a Linux desktop and work machines running WindowMaker, which features a floating start menu :). My disdain for desktop icons and excessive pinning dates from that era.

Re:Well.... (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 5 months ago | (#46136139)

No one is "forced" into purchasing a Windows machine of any type, let alone Win8/8.1.

New Egg and other places sell all the hardware a person needs to build his own desktop. There are several vendors for Linux laptops, and there is always Apple. Mobile devices free of Windows are all over the place.

It's more than a decade since I have paid for a Microsoft license. That was Windows ME - my worst and last mistake with Microsoft.

Re:Well.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136197)

Ah, yes, the huge variety of laptop choices without Windows: 3 different rebadged Clevo models with terrible keyboards, and extremely pricy Apple laptops requiring you to pay for an OSX licence.

Re:Well.... (3, Informative)

exomondo (1725132) | about 5 months ago | (#46136365)

Or you could buy a chromebook or one of the many android-based laptops (often tablet/laptop convertibles) or there's the dell xps developer editions which comes with linux pre-installed or Lenovo Thinkpads [lenovo.com] or failing all of that you could get a refund [theopensourcerer.com] on the windows license if you dont want it as many people have done.

The only party with an interest in pretending Microsoft is the only game in town for pre-installed systems is Microsoft, there are in fact plenty of other options.

Re:Well.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136419)

Apple laptops aren't really any more expensive than typical half-decent Ultrabooks or other models that focus on quality. And the OS X licence is currently free.

Re:Well.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136469)

Wow are you honestly claiming home built machines and linux are an alternative for most people? OS X, iOS and Android I'll grant you. But the average Joe down the street couldn't tell the difference between a RAM module and a hard drive.

Re:Well.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136145)

8/8.1 really isn't that bad, the underlying OS is stable and fast, but for god's sake microsoft, just get it over with and release a proper start menu so desktop-UI users never have to see the modern-UI again. That's got to be the #1 gripe and the #1 reason people are avoiding 8/8.1 by a long shot.

I personally don't care about the start menu either way because WinKey+Q brings up a nifty search overlay without being too visually jarring and is very fast to find programs or files just by typing a couple letters, but the lack of a proper start menu is going to continue to hurt widespread adoption of the OS.

Re:Well.... (1)

NFN_NLN (633283) | about 5 months ago | (#46136189)

I personally don't care about the start menu either way because WinKey+Q brings up a nifty search overlay

... that is much cleaner, thanks. Still; I shouldn't be forced to use it. Maybe I can map it to an unused mouse button.

Re:Well.... (1)

EvanED (569694) | about 5 months ago | (#46136301)

...WinKey+Q brings up a nifty search overlay

No need to press Q in that... just press the Windows key and start typing, just like in 7.

Re:Well.... (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 5 months ago | (#46136337)

The Win+Q route has the advantage of seeing the desktop while typing.

Re:Well.... (1)

fisted (2295862) | about 6 months ago | (#46136931)

which is essential because the background image is a howto-use-win8-cheat-sheet.

Re:Well.... (1)

timmyf2371 (586051) | about 5 months ago | (#46136213)

When I built my new PC I had the choice of which Windows version to install on it. I've used Windows 7 in the past and have Windows 8 on my work laptop.

So I went with 8.1 through choice. I *like* the Start screen, it's much more visual than previous incarnations of the start menu. Can't say I'm too bothered with the live tiles on a desktop machine, and still don't get the point of the charms bar. As an overall OS however, when taking into account the Start screen and the Explorer ribbon UI, I would choose it every time over previous versions of Windows.

Re:Well.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46136653)

and I just rolled back to Win7-64 from 8.1 due to a very interesting error message "System resources running low - please terminate application". I haven't seen anything like that since WinME days and the cause, I was doing a system backup to my external drive and memory was running low - on a system with 16GB.

Another reason is why in hell my CPU was loaded anywhere's from 15-30 percent all the time with the fucking fan ramping up/down as long as 8.1 was running. Switched back to 7 and that issue fixed plus I've never run out of memory even with virtual memory (page file) disabled.

Fast Turtle

Upgraded from 8 to 7 (2, Interesting)

DaveAtFraud (460127) | about 5 months ago | (#46136229)

At some point a Microsoft update bricked my wife's laptop (HP Pavillion). Don't know how updating files could mess up the partition table but it did. We'd had enough of 8 so I used a spare license for 7 to upgrade it to 7 Pro. It's still Windoze but at least it's stable and doesn't have the sucky "Metro" (or whatever Microsoft is calling it now) UI.

Cheers,
Dave

Re:Upgraded from 8 to 7 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136369)

I hope someone has modpoints to mod you the fuck "Flamebait" right down.

What a load of offtopic fanboy shit. The word "Windoze" would give it away even if the rest of it somehow didn't.

Sort of (2, Interesting)

jbeaupre (752124) | about 5 months ago | (#46136243)

I have no love for Win 8's UI. But Classic Shell to the rescue. My current system has the best of both worlds. Win 7 UI, Win 8 OS under the hood (which does have some nice improvements).

Re:Sort of (4, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | about 6 months ago | (#46136789)

I have no love for Win 8's UI. But Classic Shell to the rescue. My current system has the best of both worlds. Win 7 UI, Win 8 OS under the hood (which does have some nice improvements).

We found an easier solution. Press F9 on boot, choose system recovery. After about 40 minutes, we have Windows 7 UI, and Windows 7 OS under the hood. Don't have to mess around with the Windows Marketplace, we don't have to worry about third party tools to make the OS usable, ain't no "hot corners" or "charms bars" and it doesn't go full screen at random frakking times. The Windows 8 Pro box goes back on the shelf until some future update where perhaps Microsoft gets their collective head out of their collective ass.

Re:Well.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136481)

Fuck you, I bought it and I love it. I torrented it, installed it to test it, installed ClassicShell to give me the start menu, bought it from newegg soon after and it's been wonderful since.

But noooooooooo, one ditzy little interface and some "elite" user like you thinks that's all there is to everything.

Goddamn, you suck.

That's nice dear... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136093)

Luckily Slashdot beta will never pass classic's market share due to being so fucking annoying.

Re:That's nice dear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136283)

You're gonna get used to Beta and you're gonna like it, bitch. You know how we here running Slashdot view your whiny kind? We view you as that stubborn old asshole who can't switch to Mac because you cannot comprehend a "close" button on the left side instead of the right side to which you are accustomed. Stop whining. In time the random redirects will gradually become less random and in favor of Beta, because baby has to be eased into even the most minute and insignificant of changes, lest he throw a fit but come crawling right back to get his News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters.

Watch, you'll see. And where else would you go? Reddit, that homosexual playground of militant butch-dykes and other Obama lovers? IRC, where people are orders of magnitude more intelligent and informed than you are, where you would be kicked in an instant after the first few sentences you post? Being reduced to an unnoticeable afterthought in the comment sections of Wired, ZDnet, or ArsTechnica? Without us you'd be reduced to shitposting and low karma on some arcane StackExchange website.

Shhhh, it's gonna be allright. It hurts at first, like those big scary shots mama told the doctor to give you, but you'll become better and stronger through your inevitable embrace of Beta. Trust us.

-- Samzenpus

Where can us /. veterans seek refuge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136405)

It's getting to the point where many of us will need to become refugees due to the piece-of-shit Slashdot Beta site being forced on us randomly. But where will we flee?

Reddit is, as you satirically point out, one of the most intolerant, inhospitable web sites around. It's infested with the craziest of left-wingers, and I say this as somebody who leans toward the left.

Digg is totally dead these days, not that it was particularly good when it did have users.

Hacker News suffers from the same type of totalitarianism and group-think that reddit suffers from. Either you toe the line, suck up to pg, or you're "hellbanned".

Phoronix, maybe? LOL, of course not, what the fuck was I thinking?!

Lobsters? Jesus Christ, they don't even allow people to sign up! This invite-only bullshit reeks of hipsterism. They want the site to remain semi-"obscure" so that the limp-dicked hipsters who are there can feel like they have mighty cocks. I suppose a one-inch cock does look comparatively big when the next biggest cock is a mere 1.5 inches in length.

Kuro5hin was always just a weird, weird place, infested with weird, weird people.

It'll be a sad day when the Slashdot Beta site replaces this bastardized version of the classic site. All traces of what made Slashdot a decent site will be lost at that point, and it's not like there's even a good alternative these days.

Re:Where can us /. veterans seek refuge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46136771)

Facebook.

(I hear that's where the old farts hang out.)

The Slashdot beta isn't annoying. It's shit. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136375)

You're being too kind on the Slashdot beta by just calling it "annoying". It's much, much worse than that. It's pure and total shit.

Every single aspect of it is flawed in one way or another. It wastes space. The font sizing is disproportionate. The text color and background color do not contrast enough. The layout is confusing. The story images are way too big and pointless. The discussion threads are far more difficult to read. It's harder to post comments. It feels a lot slower than the existing site.

The Slashdot beta is a failed software project in every single sense. The only sensible thing for Slashdot to do is cancel the project, throw away the code, apologize profusely to us for subjecting us to it randomly for at least a month now, and then never again do something as utterly stupid.

Of course, I don't think that'll happen. I suspect we'll see the beta site replace the existing site at some point soon, and it'll be a Digg v4-style disaster. The few remaining valuable users will flee, and Slashdot will wither more than it already has these past few years. It will be forever remembered as yet another casualty of a hipster-inspired "Web 2.0" design shitfest gone wrong, up there with Digg, GNOME 3 and Windows 8.

Philip Seymour Hoffman is DEAD (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136099)

Philip Seymour Hoffman (July 23, 1967 â" February 2, 2014) was an American actor and director.

http://www.reddit.com/r/movies... [reddit.com]

Re:Philip Seymour Hoffman is DEAD (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136181)

And I give a flying fuck because...?

High school sports (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136105)

It's like watching the retarded kid beating the crippled kid in a race.

Re:High school sports (2, Funny)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 5 months ago | (#46136161)

You are SO politically incorrect. You're not supposed to notice that the retarded kid is retarded, and you should NEVER notice crippled kids! You must be some kind of bigot - my progressive friends say so.

Oh - wait. I don't have an progressive friends. Forget I said anything.

California becomes water efficient (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136135)

As people work towards a 20% reduction of water. From what I know, the 10 people how bought Windows machines all installed Linux on them

Re:California becomes water efficient (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 5 months ago | (#46136413)

In case of win8, they probably just torrented 7 to install on it.

Different sources (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136147)

I think it's really interesting to compare various sources that attempt to measure these OS/browser market shares, because they're obviously measuring different subsets of the population.

Steam, for example, puts Windows 8/8.1 at a bit over 20%.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

W3Schools put it around 8%.
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

In short, marketshare varies wildly depending on who you ask and none of these do a good job of actually measuring the entire market.

Re:Different sources (2)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 5 months ago | (#46136445)

Steam is gaming machines. Gaming machines are about the only machines that need frequent hardware refreshing. They also generally don't come with anything less than for last couple of years. So steam tells you approximate percentage of gaming machines that got refreshed during the period that win8 was out. It has little to no relevance outside that.

Re:Different sources (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 5 months ago | (#46136447)

Should say "they don't come with anything less than 8"

Tell me.... (2)

gaelfx (1111115) | about 5 months ago | (#46136163)

The only percentage regarding Windows that I care about is what percentage of a reasonably priced SSD it will take up. Now, I realize that metric is subjective ("reasonable" being relative), but honestly, that's the worst part of the Windows tax: on a 240GB SSD, the footprint is something like 10%. Am I the only one who feels that's absurd?

Re:Tell me.... (1)

rts008 (812749) | about 5 months ago | (#46136343)

Am I the only one who feels that's absurd?

No, I share that 'absurd' feeling about the amount of disc space that Windows wants for an install.

In my case with Win 7, it wanted 40GB free space for the install. That's crazy!

I can install most(if not all) modern GNU/Linux distro's on one of my spare 4GB USB thumbrives, and have a lot of space left.

"The soft bigotry of low expectations" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136171)

it's probably surpassing Microsoft Bob, too.

captcha: blowjob. Seriously? wtf!

Vista's not that bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136179)

Windows Vista is not that bad. It just needed a couple years of bug fixes. Microsoft did the smart thing by release a new version of windows with cosmetic changes, and a new name, once the bug fixes were in place.

I think Microsoft is using Windows 8 to force the Windows Phone UI down everyone's throat. Eventually, they will give up.

Re:Vista's not that bad (4, Interesting)

JeffAtl (1737988) | about 5 months ago | (#46136251)

I think Microsoft is using Windows 8 to force the Windows Phone UI down everyone's throat. Eventually, they will give up.

Their stubbornness is going to start affecting their enterprise business, so they need to wise up soon. Fortunately, the new CEO comes from the enterprise side so he will likely understand that they're playing with fire.

Re:Vista's not that bad (2)

asmkm22 (1902712) | about 5 months ago | (#46136355)

That is going to depend heavily on who they pick as the new Chairman (it's looking like Gates is on his way out) and how interested the Board is in sticking with the whole "Devices and Services" thing. One thing is for certain: neither the new CEO nor the Chairman will have anywhere near the influence that Gates and Ballmer do, so I could easily see a scenario where the Board kind of runs rough shot over any strong long-term goals in support of trying to become the next Apple.

Keep in mind that once Gates is gone, pretty much everyone on the Board is the Silicon Valley type of guy, where the whole Devices and Services thing is pretty popular right now. Without Gates, in particular, we'll probably end up with an even less enterprise-friendly set of offerings over the next 15 years. After all, Apple has done just fine by practically abandoning their "pro" consumers, and that's the fruit MS is chasing.

Re:Vista's not that bad (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46136681)

Right. Because "enterprise" hasn't stuck with XP and all the little warts and moles that it has brought with it for nearly 14 years now... They'll jump ship ASAP because Win7 just won't suit.... Yeah... You keep thinking that.
 
As short as your post is it's lacking everything but "This is teh year of Linuxxx!!!!!11111!!!!onehunderedeleven!!HERP!!!"

Re:Vista's not that bad (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 6 months ago | (#46136917)

Right. Because "enterprise" hasn't stuck with XP and all the little warts and moles that it has brought with it for nearly 14 years now... They'll jump ship ASAP because Win7 just won't suit.... Yeah... You keep thinking that.

As short as your post is it's lacking everything but "This is teh year of Linuxxx!!!!!11111!!!!onehunderedeleven!!HERP!!!"

I'm sorry I'm not parsing this. Some companies are starting to migrate to 7, some are sticking with XP, but I don't know any companies that aren't actually doing Win8 development that have plans to upgrade to Win8. In fact, what I'm seeing is execs driving Apple on the desktop, in the briefcase and in the pocket. My company is over 30% Apple and growing, partly because the execs like the interface and partly due to the perception that Microsoft is currently rudderless and may not have an enterprise-suitable desktop again for years. With 8.1 they've decided to double down, and the next release it looks like they're doubling down again, as if we're somehow going to just get used to having a big blotchy GUI on KVM machines and stop complaining about it.

I know I know, you always buy Microsoft because of Office. That's not really true anymore either. Enterprise analytics tools, which are more important to execs than Excel, are available on ipad, and just starting to become available on Android, and aren't really supported on Microsoft tablets, except to the extent you can slog through your work using touch equivalents for the motions of a three button mouse, because there is no market for Metro support.

I just came back from a conference that used to be all Microsoft. This year all the presentations used Mac/Airport, and the great majority of attendees were also on macs or ipads. The whole week I saw one Surface.

Enterprise will leverage XP and 7 for as long as practical, but they're going to look for other solutions. But I think the linux-on-the-desktop crew will continue to be disappointed, unless Android counts. The point really is that Microsoft's choices are already affecting enterprise business, in ways that will slowly become apparent. Businesses are losing confidence in Microsoft being able to offer a viable business solution. There's no scrabbling to replace currently working solutions, but there is a push towards looking at non-Microsoft solutions going forward. It doesn't mean we're approaching "the year of Linux", that ship has sailed. What it means is that we're approaching the year of not-Microsoft, whatever that turns out to be.

Re:Vista's not that bad (1, Interesting)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 5 months ago | (#46136535)

Windows Vista is not that bad. It just needed a couple years of bug fixes. Microsoft did the smart thing by release a new version of windows with cosmetic changes, and a new name, once the bug fixes were in place.

I think Microsoft is using Windows 8 to force the Windows Phone UI down everyone's throat. Eventually, they will give up.

That lie keeps being spread and is somehow truth.

My 2007 era AMD turion from the Vista era disagrees. Vista is ssssllooooowww and takes several minutes to boot even on a fresh install. It swaps constantly and has 2 gigs of ram. Windows 7 on this ancient machine and it runs fine. Yes that is with the latest service packs too. The indexing service takes 20 minutes to build. Windows 7 a few seconds! network SUCKS. It is unusable in a moderate business environment.

True an i7 with 4 gigs of ram and a ssd will probably run it ok but these are Windows 7/8 era machines.

Re:Vista's not that bad (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46136847)

That's funny. My AMD Athlon X2 2.2 GHz from 2005 runs Vista quite quickly. Here's what I do:

- Turn off indexing of drives. Stop and disable Windows Search and Superfetch services. Disable Superfetch and Prefetch in the registry.
- Turn off any other unneeded services. Remove unneeded Windows components.
- Turn off UAC.
- Turn off Aero.
- Disable 8.3 filename support.
- Disable system restore.

The machine is a dog until I do the above tweaks. Then it's useable and no HDD thrashing.

Re:Vista's not that bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46136939)

With Windows 7 I do not have to tweak anything. It just runs without the instant search functionality removed nor video hardware acceleration with Aereo. It only reconfirms my point that Vista sucks and you might as well stick with XP from that time frame like many sane people did.

Are we gonna compare every service pack to vista? (4, Insightful)

js3 (319268) | about 5 months ago | (#46136277)

Aren't windows 8 and 8.1 the same thing?

Re:Are we gonna compare every service pack to vist (5, Insightful)

SeaFox (739806) | about 5 months ago | (#46136329)

Honestly, if you ignore the Metro interface, Windows 7 and 8 are the same thing. Except 8 performs better. Get rid of the tablet interface and everyone would want to move to 8.

Re:Are we gonna compare every service pack to vist (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 5 months ago | (#46136531)

Honestly, if you ignore the Metro interface, Windows 7 and 8 are the same thing.

If you ignore the Metro interface, and the desktop, and the apps, Windows 7 and 8 are the same thing.

I've seen a ton of people complaining about the new Office interface, for example, because it's apparently all been 'flattened' to look as crap as Windows 8 does.

Re:Are we gonna compare every service pack to vist (1)

LookIntoTheFuture (3480731) | about 6 months ago | (#46137023)

...8 performs better.

I have found this to be true on several PCs. Particularly video. In my experience (and it pains me to say this), it's just so silky smooth compared to 7. The way they tried to cobble together the ModernUI and desktop was a HUGE fail though. Ever try to copy and paste the username and password for a VPN connection? I haven't tried with 8.1 but in 8, it couldn't be done. You could paste the username, but when you tried to copy the password, the stupid thing would slide off the screen. Bring it up again and the username field would be blank. NERD RAGE!

Re:Are we gonna compare every service pack to vist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46136577)

Aren't windows 8 and 8.1 the same thing?

yes. Both evil. Eeeevil.

MermaidManEvil.jpg

Re:Are we gonna compare every service pack to vist (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 6 months ago | (#46136937)

Aren't windows 8 and 8.1 the same thing?

Right. Windows 8 is for people who haven't yet figured out the cabalistic hand gestures necessary to invoke Windows Marketplace and do the free upgrade. It's really the same OS.

MS, needs to change (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46136297)

Don't feel like spending anymore on MS products like $99-$200 for windows 8.1(nice performance but too little to late) single license when I have windows 7 that runs perfectly fine and as well as linux on other machines. Metro vs old start menu? Metro, you can pin and rearrange as many applications or other objects as you want, unlike with the old windows 7 start menu where adding applications to the favorites is limited. The majority of metro apps are junk. Sorry this isn't the 1990's or early 2000's anymore where MS gets to charge users hundreds of dollars for windows and office suits.

If they get rid of Gates, I hope these MS idiots bring down the prices so individual builders like myself can afford more than 1 license for windows or office. This is why linux is becoming attractive it does not burn through your wallet.

Can be translated into: (2)

Dega704 (1454673) | about 5 months ago | (#46136385)

Windows 8 SP1 passes Windows Vista in market share.

And in other news... (4, Funny)

Ignacio (1465) | about 5 months ago | (#46136389)

Kicks in the ass are more popular than punches in the face.

Since apple users are asses (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46137029)

no wonder they get kicked some much.

Windows 8 woes (0)

volvox_voxel (2752469) | about 5 months ago | (#46136399)

I bought a laptop, only to find that my development tools (FPGA's) were stable under windows 7, but were buggy under windows 8. I went through all the hassle or removing windows 8 to install windows 7 (you have to dig somewhere in windows 8 to "unlock the bios", reformat the drive for a different file type, etc) , only to find out that I couldn't get all the windows 7 drivers. Even basic stuff like the ethernet did not work. I had not experienced to what extent a new PC was non functional after installing the OS. I had to restore it back to windows 8, and buy a different laptop with windows 7 installed.

As a long term windows user, I've needed to dual boot Linux for my recent development work (running linux on an embedded target), and have been impressed by the experience. You get a working word-processor, a spreadsheet, and power-point that can open up microsoft stuff...One of my biggest hassles developing on windows is dealing with USB drivers and JTAG tools..The experience is much easier in linux, where it's easier to undo if you get yourself into trouble with the wrong driver.

Re:Windows 8 woes (5, Informative)

Jaime2 (824950) | about 5 months ago | (#46136527)

(you have to dig somewhere in windows 8 to "unlock the bios", reformat the drive for a different file type, etc)

That's not Microsoft's doing, the hardware vendor shipped the computer with Secure Boot enabled, which Windows 8 supports, but 7 does not. You can't blame them for enabling a new feature. If it's hard to go back, the hardware vendor wrote the user interface, not Microsoft, so put the blame where it belongs.

... only to find out that I couldn't get all the windows 7 drivers. Even basic stuff like the ethernet did not work. I had not experienced to what extent a new PC was non functional after installing the OS. I had to restore it back to windows 8, and buy a different laptop with windows 7 installed.

Once again, the hardware vendor was the one that decided not to distribute Windows 7 drivers. I've found many cases where the driver actually works with Windows 7, but the installer is specifically coded to refuse to run on 7. It's more of the hardware vendor trying to reduce its expenses by not training tech support staff on more than one operating system than an actual flaw with Windows.

Re:Windows 8 woes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46136623)

And Microsoft has always been a very strong proponent of secure boot. You're arguing against the chicken in chicken-and-the-egg, when in fact Microsoft has its fingerprints all over both.

Re:Windows 8 woes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46136911)

The hardware vendors did that because Microsoft certification required them to. It is Microsoft's doing.

Re:Windows 8 woes (1)

sjames (1099) | about 6 months ago | (#46136999)

Linux manages most of the time even though practically no vendor ships the drivers.

Re:Windows 8 woes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46136585)

You aren't alone. A company I consult for ordered about 50 Win8 laptops to replace some of the old XP ones, and IT was quite startled to find out that absolutely NONE of the server stuff would connect to the new laptops. They did the exact same thing, rolling it back to the version of 7 they currently use, and there were new problems added on top of the sparse fixing of Outlook, Excel, etc.

Luckily they could get a complete refund on the whole stack, so they're sticking with their Win7 laptops for now. Just strange how such similar software and have such sporadic and random problems.

Amusing (0)

chuckugly (2030942) | about 5 months ago | (#46136553)

I note with amusement that the market share of Windows 8.x is about the same as the Macintosh, and unlike the Apple OS, rising steadily. Where are the posts calling OSX irrelevant on the desktop? *snicker*

Re: Amusing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46136647)

The largest pile of turd attracts the most flies.

Cheap horrible shit always seems to win. See : VHS Beta/Video2000, Win Mac, Android iOS, etc.

Windows 8.1 is shit and.... (1, Troll)

mendax (114116) | about 6 months ago | (#46136737)

... here's why.

Two weeks ago after I upgraded to 8.1 I found that I could not copy multi-GB files to a flash drive. The copy would start the copy process but very soon afterward it the transfer rate would get slower and slower and eventually hit 0 and stay there. Eventually, the OS would stop it with some stupid error. Rebooting in safe mode and trying again allows the copy to be completed but you'd never know it because the graphical display showing the copy STILL shows it stalling although the LED on the flash drive continues to indicate that it's being written to. Eventually, the graphical display will catch up with what is being copied and it appears that half a gigabyte was copied to the drive in a couple seconds.

How in the name of hell did 8.1 ever get passed QA with such an obvious bug? Has Windows gotten so huge and clunky and full of bloat that even the code for a simple file copy is riddled with bugs?

Suffice it to say, I don't use that machine very often except when I have to use Windows.

Re:Windows 8.1 is shit and.... (2)

redmid17 (1217076) | about 6 months ago | (#46136963)

Might be just your machine. I've used several different flash drives to copy multi-GB images on Windows 8.

Re:Windows 8.1 is shit and....;please check memory (1)

volvox_voxel (2752469) | about 6 months ago | (#46136989)

Please check that your memory is not corrupt. You might have a real hardware problem. I've had a number of cases where I had bad ram, e.g. doing a memcheck at boot failed. It's amazing that the OS could run at all in these cases, but it did. Installing new applications and moving big files were problematic, but everything else worked . -Joe

Windows XP does all you need... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46136907)

...in 12 processes and services.

Windows 8 out of the box over 200!

No wonder XP is on the rise!

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