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QuakeNet: Government-Sponsored Attacks On IRC Networks

Soulskill posted about 9 months ago | from the get-out-of-our-internets dept.

Communications 197

Barryke writes "Like FreeNode, it seems more and more legitimate businesses or non-profit organizations are being targeted by government subsidiaries in attempts to disrupt and spy on their users. IRC network QuakeNet has posted a press release condemning these efforts. Quoting: 'These attacks are performed without informing the networks and are targeted at users associated with politically motivated movements such as "Anonymous." While QuakeNet does not condone or endorse and actively forbids any illegal activity on its servers we encourage discussion on all topics including political and social commentary. It is apparent now that engaging in such topics with an opinion contrary to that of the intelligence agencies is sufficient to make people a target for monitoring, coercion and denial of access to communications platforms. The released documents depict GCHQ operatives engaging in social engineering of IRC users to entrap themselves by encouraging the target to leak details about their location as well as wholesale attacks on the IRC servers hosting the network. These attacks bring down the IRC network entirely affecting every user on the network as well as the company hosting the server.' One of those tactics applied by governments is the DDOS, which (perhaps not so) coincidentally, is what their suspects are accused of. Is this irony or hypocritical?"

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Fuck Beta! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176043)

Please post this to new articles if it hasn't been posted yet.

On February 5, 2014, Slashdot announced through a javascript popup that they are starting to "move in to" the new Slashdot Beta design.

Slashdot Beta is a trend-following attempt to give Slashdot a fresh look, an approach that has led to less space for text and an abandonment of the traditional Slashdot look. Much worse than that, Slashdot Beta fundamentally breaks the classic Slashdot discussion and moderation system.

If you haven't seen Slashdot Beta already, open this [slashdot.org] in a new tab. After seeing that, click here [slashdot.org] to return to classic Slashdot.

We should boycott stories and only discuss the abomination that is Slashdot Beta until Dice abandons the project.
We should boycott slashdot entirely during the week of Feb 10 to Feb 17 as part of the wider slashcott [slashdot.org]

Moderators - only spend mod points on comments that discuss Beta
Commentors - only discuss Beta http://slashdot.org/recent [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org] - Vote up the Fuck Beta stories

Keep this up for a few days and we may finally get the PHBs attention.

Discussion of Beta: http://slashdot.org/firehose.p... [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org]
Discussion of where to go if Beta goes live: http://slashdot.org/firehose.p... [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org]
Alternative Slashdot: altslashdot.org [altslashdot.org] (thanks Okian Warrior (537106))

Re: Fuck Beta! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176095)

Oh yawn. This really is pathetic and obviously ineffective

Re: Fuck Beta! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176233)

If you want "pathetic and obviously ineffective", take a look at beta.slashot.org, setting a new standard for toxic waste.

Re: Fuck Beta! (5, Funny)

dmbasso (1052166) | about 9 months ago | (#46176257)

Your apathy leads nowhere. Our action perhaps will bear fruits, who knows...

But you're mirroring the regular population apathy in politics. Most people take no action because "it is obviously ineffective", as The Man brainwashed you to think.

At least here it is pretty easy... if they don't listen to me (us), I'll not use the shit that's being imposed. But if I don't manifest my opinion, I can't even complain later.

So fuck beta, and FUCK YOUR APATHY.

Re: Fuck Beta! (5, Informative)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about 9 months ago | (#46176259)

Pathetic and ineffective? It's just a bad link. Here, I'll fix it:

Alternative Slashdot: altslashdot.org [altslashdot.org] (thanks Okian Warrior (537106))

Re: Fuck Beta! (2)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about 9 months ago | (#46176601)

Er, not that wiki appears to already be feeling the effects of slashdotting just from curious people looking at the front page.

Re: Fuck Beta! (1)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about 9 months ago | (#46176809)

It's a temporary home. Okian Warrior just registered it a couple of hours ago [slashdot.org] , so what can you expect? BTW, notice that my comment was downmodded OT into oblivion, even though (despite the snark) it was actually relevant to GP's comment? There is a disturbing trend here.

Re:Fuck Beta! (5, Interesting)

Aighearach (97333) | about 9 months ago | (#46176277)

I've been here since the 90s, what makes you think I'm going to let Mr. Coward tell me how to mod?

Next you'll suggest I read articles! lol

As to the summary, which I skimmed, I already know about the freenode blog that it links, because I'm a freenode user. And the blog doesn't talk about the big bad gubermint DDoSing freenode. Actually it talks about cooperating with law enforcement in handling DDoS attacks, but that there aren't enough resources to track down the command and control servers so nothing is likely to get done on that front.

It is actually some insidious FUD, trying to imply that FOSS == Anonymous, which is totally absurd. Freenode is a white hat IRC network.

Re:Fuck Beta! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176517)

They will get the point when their readership drops off by the order of, oh -- I don't know, a metric fuck-ton. Until then, whatever.

Re:Fuck Beta! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176677)

Translations: I am whiny prick probably with a case of autism. I don't like change, for any change I will find all the disadvantages about it and let it stew in me, so I can get more and more Angry about it.

Because only smart people are able to find find faults.

About the beta. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176053)

It is now official. Netcraft has confirmed: Slashdot is dying.

        One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Slashdot community when IDC confirmed that Slashdot page views has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all websites. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Slashdot has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Slashdot is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by the stupid fucking beta website and the wholesale discard of user feedback.

        You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin to predict Slashdot's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Slashdot faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Slashdot because Slashdot is dying. Things are looking very bad for Slashdot. As many of us are already aware, Slashdot continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

        Slashdot Beta is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core users. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time Slashdot users Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Slashdot is dying.

        All major surveys show that Slashdot has steadily declined in market share. Slashdot is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Slashdot is to survive at all it will be among S&M enthusiasts. Slashdot continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Slashdot is dead.

That crippling bombshell sent Slashdot fans into a tailspin of mourning and denial. However, bad news poured in like a river of water.

Fuck the beta.

Re:About the beta. (0)

JWW (79176) | about 9 months ago | (#46176197)

Parent comment is so meta.

Re:About the beta. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176237)

The sad part is that if any fork is created to attract the Slashdot crowd, they will be sued by Dice blaming them on Slashdot's failure.

Let's say it again... (-1, Flamebait)

Robotron23 (832528) | about 9 months ago | (#46176061)

Fuck Slashdot Beta. Fuck it straight to oblivion.

Contact Alice Hill, honcho at Dice/Slashdot, to make yourself heard: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/al... [linkedin.com]

Re:Let's say it again... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176153)

That's the wrong Alice Hill. Personally harassing her is beyond the pale. Make your voice known here on slashdot.

Re:Let's say it again... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176173)

That is absolutely the wrong Alice Hill

Correct Alice hill:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/alicehill

This bitch wasn't around for the last 15 years and has no soul... and if she was... she has even less of a soul then no soul, she is evil.

DOWN WITH SLASHBETA

Re:Let's say it again... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176303)

But it says this on the tin:

Proven track record innovating and improving iconic websites (CNET.com, Dice.com, Slashdot.org, Sourceforge.net) while protecting their voice and brand integrity; extensive board level and governance experience especially with non-profit volunteer communities, open source developers, and local chapters and projects worldwide.

So obviously SHE knows better than some random AC (or, indeed, ALL of them) does.

Please please please get rid of beta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176065)

Thats is all.

Beta feedback helps (5, Informative)

Sowelu (713889) | about 9 months ago | (#46176069)

I'm not going to quote them without permission, but from talking with one of the editors, some of our sentiment about the beta is shared by them, and they really do want user feedback to help things go in the right direction. Presumably they have no power directly, but if literate and thought-out comments get submitted to the beta feedback, they will do what they can to send them upwards. Don't just complain in the comments, help the editors help you, at least some of them are on your side.

Re:Beta feedback helps (5, Insightful)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 9 months ago | (#46176207)

We've tried that already. The feedback was ignored.

It's obvious that whoever is working on the new site either lacks the skills or the desire to match the functionality of the current interface. No amount of feedback is going to change that, and so the Beta will always suck.

Do they want to stop the complaining? That's easy. They don't have to get rid of the beta. They just have to formally commit to keeping the classic interface available, and make it straightforward to use it instead.

Re:Beta feedback helps (1)

Sowelu (713889) | about 9 months ago | (#46176261)

Well, if that's true...at least know that (some of) the editors know how bad it is and know what the consequences of Beta will be. The ignoring is happening above the level of people who read the feedback mail. If they're going to keep fighting, I'm all for giving them all the ammo we can.

Re:Beta feedback helps (5, Insightful)

demontechie (180612) | about 9 months ago | (#46176341)

The beta feedback discussion for the last couple days has been literate [slashdot.org] and [slashdot.org] well [slashdot.org] thought out [slashdot.org] , but there has been no public response of any kind. Not even a half-hearted "we hear you and we'll see what we can do about making classic available in perpetuity, but no promises."

And with the revelation of Dice's view of the slashdot finances projections [prnewswire.com] , and the heavy handed mass downmodding [slashdot.org] it's hard to see what reason the users have to retain any faith in the editors or their superiors.

Re:Beta feedback helps (3, Interesting)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 9 months ago | (#46176477)

As an example, you just linked to 4 different, individual posts within threads. The Beta site doesn't even have post IDs, even on the user's home page, so linking to an individual comment is impossible. SID and CID are GONE in the new Slashdot.

Re:Beta feedback helps (5, Insightful)

carlos92 (682924) | about 9 months ago | (#46176389)

If you have access to the editors, let them know that nobody is discussing the stories today. In a day or two this will be a ghost town, they don't have much time to process the feedback.

Re:Beta feedback helps (5, Informative)

Soulskill (1459) | about 9 months ago | (#46176423)

Believe me, we're well aware of what everybody is discussing.

Re:Beta feedback helps (1)

arth1 (260657) | about 9 months ago | (#46176509)

Believe me, we're well aware of what everybody is discussing.

... and really busy ignoring it?

Re:Beta feedback helps (4, Informative)

Soulskill (1459) | about 9 months ago | (#46176633)

It's all any of us are talking about today (and most of what we've talked about for the past few months). Whatever changes get made, they need time to be decided on and implemented. I'm sorry it doesn't go faster, but that's why we still have the classic site available.

Re:Beta feedback helps (5, Informative)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about 9 months ago | (#46176859)

Soulskill, your stakeholder management is poor. Up on the front page there is a big "We are shoving this down your throat soon" message thrown at your customers--executive stakeholders, low power, high interest, low influence. You've largely shuttered them out, rather than keeping them informed; you've solicited comment and not informed them at large that their comments are heard and being discussed actively. This is producing customer backlash.

You should change the primary message in everyone's face to reflect what's been said here, and to notate that you are considering further changes and delays before moving to a full public release. Make prominent also that you have decided on the short-term availability of Slashdot Classic after launch as yet another metric. Provide a larger update page describing how this will handle--more discussion, more sampling, surveying, and then when and how you will launch. Maybe detail a launch process where everyone is set to New Slashdot by default, with a Slashdot Classic option that resets once per month at most, after major changes, so that the metric of who immediately runs back to Slashdot Classic can be re-sampled after major changes.

I suggest Tres Roeder's book "Managing Project Stakeholders" particularly for your review. The other book (A Sixth Sense for Project Management) is more useful in closed quarters, but I can recommend both.

Re:Beta feedback helps (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 9 months ago | (#46176519)

Now if only anybody over there gave a fuck.

Re:Beta feedback helps (2)

Koen Lefever (2543028) | about 9 months ago | (#46176537)

Believe me, we're well aware of what everybody is discussing.

Is that why suddenly our comments get massively downmodded now?

Folks with mod point get the complaints to +5 and suddenly they are back to "0 Offtopic".

Re:Beta feedback helps (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 9 months ago | (#46176587)

being aware is a good first step.

please reply back (on a new toplevel topic) addressing our concerns.

if you really want the beta, fine; but don't remove the older version!

let both run for a year and see if the beta 'proves itself'. what's so wrong with that? scientific and you'll get a lot of data samples rather than just raw emotions.

let logic decide. if the new site does not bring in the post-counts you are after, there's your answer.

Re:Beta feedback helps (1)

Soulskill (1459) | about 9 months ago | (#46176705)

We'll have more posts coming about how the beta will shape up. (Possibly one within a few hours.) The comments and feedback emails are still rolling in, and we're trying to get as much information as possible.

I can't really speak to letting the old site hang around in perpetuity -- it's not my call. I know it'd be a stretch for our small engineering team to support both, though.

Re:Beta feedback helps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176911)

Whatever happens, if these guys do lose their jobs, I hope the Slashdot community will be willing to help them find the connections they need to continue their careers.

BETA SUCKS. FUCK BETA.

Beta a Bust (5, Insightful)

LordFlower (606949) | about 9 months ago | (#46176075)

Beta sucks. I will not be back if Beta is made mandatory.

Re:Beta a Bust (0)

Aighearach (97333) | about 9 months ago | (#46176187)

I'm just glad I've never seen it.

I already know I'm not interested in a slashdot-replacement, and I don't really care if it has the name "slashdot" on it or not. I won't be there.

SLASHBETA IS A MISERABLE FAILURE (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176077)

Title says it all. Fuck slashbeta

Soulskilll and Timothy (5, Insightful)

Princeofcups (150855) | about 9 months ago | (#46176081)

Give it up guys. You know that no stories are going to be discussed. Today is the end of the old Slashdot. Start sending out resumes, since this is going down in a blaze of glory.

Hey, the first story we should get on the replacement site when set up is an interview with Rob and Roblimo on why they really left Slashdot and left these incompetents in charge.

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (5, Insightful)

carlos92 (682924) | about 9 months ago | (#46176337)

They won't give it up because they still don't get it. They think of the site users as the audience, as if the value of Slashdot was the articles. Just in case Dice reads this: the value is in the comments from the community, some of which are less biased and more informative than the referenced articles. Some are written by experts in the matter, or contain perspectives that a journalist doesn't have. Sure, most of the comments are junk, but the mod system helps you with that. But nobody from Dice will read this, because if they read Slashdot they would have already seen it.

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (1)

arth1 (260657) | about 9 months ago | (#46176585)

They won't give it up because they still don't get it. They think of the site users as the audience, as if the value of Slashdot was the articles. Just in case Dice reads this: the value is in the comments from the community, some of which are less biased and more informative than the referenced articles. Some are written by experts in the matter, or contain perspectives that a journalist doesn't have. Sure, most of the comments are junk, but the mod system helps you with that. But nobody from Dice will read this, because if they read Slashdot they would have already seen it.

I think this should be submitted as an article. Then, perhaps, the overlords would see it.

Yes, the value of slashdot that keeps people coming back is the discussions - the posts from users. Not the articles. The people who discuss are not just customers, they are the people who are the reason why people come here at all.
Alienate them at your own peril.

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (2)

ShaunC (203807) | about 9 months ago | (#46176375)

Hey, the first story we should get on the replacement site when set up is an interview with Rob and Roblimo on why they really left Slashdot and left these incompetents in charge

The lameness filter says I should probably not opine on how the true reason is:

$$$$$$$$$$$

I don't blame them for leaving; really, I don't. I'd have cashed out too! I do blame the new stewards of the Slashdot domain and brand for fucking it all to hell. A few years ago, "Dice" was, to me, "a tech job site." Now, "Dice" means, to me, "that moronic company who fucked up Slashdot."

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (1)

CoolHnd30 (89871) | about 9 months ago | (#46176521)

too bad I don't have mod points today...

...and fuck the beta.

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (5, Informative)

Soulskill (1459) | about 9 months ago | (#46176461)

We know most of the discussion will be centered on the beta. Some people will want to read news anyway, so we'll keep posting.

You folks are certainly welcome to keep commenting about the beta; we're reading all of it, and we're communicating it to the Product team who makes the decisions about the design.

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (2)

LordFlower (606949) | about 9 months ago | (#46176511)

Good.

And know that we do not hold anything personally against anyone.

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176567)

Wow. A "product team". How the mighty have fallen... What was once a busy domain of geekdom is now a "product". The very use of that word proves that Slashdot will slowly die over the next 18 months. When you have something as loved among geeks as Slashdot, you don't ever treat it like a "product".

Bye everyone. I won't miss the articles, but I'll miss the comments.

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (1)

snemarch (1086057) | about 9 months ago | (#46176605)

The beta has a nice fresh & simple look to it, but it suffers in usability/readability. Way too much scrolling to read through comments. Knowing what vocal, picky bastards the slashdot crowd is, why didn't you get the community involved instead of suffering the current farce? :-)

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (5, Funny)

Soulskill (1459) | about 9 months ago | (#46176759)

We've had the community involved since October, actually.

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (0)

snemarch (1086057) | about 9 months ago | (#46176879)

Can't please everyone.

And hey, it's easier to get all riled up in your parent's basement than it is to get involved and give proper feedback.

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (1)

geminidomino (614729) | about 9 months ago | (#46176613)

Fantastic. And is there any intention of leashing the crazed mass downmodder that downmods en masse?

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176779)

Tell them to get a look at their stock chart.

http://bigchartsus.wsj.akadns.... [akadns.net]

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (1)

dmomo (256005) | about 9 months ago | (#46176547)

I think this needs more attention outside of the control of slashdot moderators. Please help by voicing your thoughts over at reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/social... [reddit.com]

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (1)

dmomo (256005) | about 9 months ago | (#46176571)

Backlash at Slashdot Beta needs attention outside of the control of Slashdot moderators. Please comment over on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/social... [reddit.com]

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (1)

Bob the Super Hamste (1152367) | about 9 months ago | (#46176579)

You should update your sig. I propose:
The only thing worse than a Democrat or a Republican is beta.slashdot.org

Re:Soulskilll and Timothy (1)

Zocalo (252965) | about 9 months ago | (#46176655)

Or, better yet, put a "Beta" discussion topic on the main page - like they should have been done hours ago when all this first kicked off. At least the comments there will be on topic.

Oh, and anyone care to bet that this [xkcd.com] will be the "obligatory XKCD" link when tomorrow's strip gets posted? ;)

NO to Beta (5, Insightful)

mccotter (185752) | about 9 months ago | (#46176101)

Do not make beta mandatory. Keep classic.

Re:NO to Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176227)

Do not make beta mandatory. Keep classic.

Fuck the Beta and the classic site. /. is dead. We're just on borrowed time.
Nerds of /. unite and create THE ultimate /. . A site of Nerds for Nerds, no ads, no bullshit corporate decision making etc...

Re:NO to Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176391)

don't forget the blackjack and hookers.


Also, it might be productive to note specific problems instead of just howling " BETA SUCKS ".

Slashdot: Dice sponsored attacks on news websites (-1, Flamebait)

Raelus (859126) | about 9 months ago | (#46176115)

"Like Digg, it seems more and more legitimate businesses or non-profit organizations are being targeted by Dice Holdings, Inc. in attempts to disrupt and monitize their users. Anonymous Coward has posted a press release condemning these efforts. Quoting: 'These attacks are performed without informing the userbase and are targeted at users associated with politically motivated movements such as "FUCK BETA" While this AC does not condone or endorse and actively forbids any illegal activity on its servers we encourage discussion on all topics including political and social commentary. It is apparent now that engaging in such topics with an opinion contrary to that of Alice Hill is sufficient to make people a target for monitoring, coercion and denial of access to a decent site design. The released documents depict Dice operatives engaging in social engineering of Slashdot users to entrap themselves by encouraging the target to leak details about their location as well as wholesale attacks on the Slashdot servers hosting the network. These attacks bring down the Slashdot network entirely affecting every user on the network as well as the company hosting the server.' One of those tactics applied by Dice Holdings, Inc. is the DDOS, which (perhaps not so) coincidentally, is what their suspects are accused of. Is this irony or hypocritical?"

America!! Fuck yeah!! (-1, Flamebait)

wiredlogic (135348) | about 9 months ago | (#46176127)

Lando Everyman: I thought we would be allowed to enjoy the freedoms spelled out in our constitution.

Darth Plutocrat: I'm altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.

Beta (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176129)

I can't believe it's not horsecock!

donotwant Slashdot Beta (5, Insightful)

acid_andy (534219) | about 9 months ago | (#46176139)

Dice, Editors, your silence is deafening! Slashdot is News for Nerds but no true Nerd wants your Beta. Stop pretending this problem will go away. Maybe you actually hope it will go away, maybe you hope Slashdot itself will go away. Whatever - at least have the decency and respect for your long term readers to give some kind of response to all the negative feedback. Why not keep two versions of the site? If Beta was done properly it would all be a CSS skin with some scripts that could all be swapped out. You already have a mobile site, so it can't be to improve appearence on mobiles, tablets, phablets, touchscreens, etc. Oh sorry, I forgot, that wouldn't keep the advertisers happy. Slashdot was awesome while it lasted.

Re:donotwant Slashdot Beta (1)

Koen Lefever (2543028) | about 9 months ago | (#46176185)

Dice, Editors, your silence is deafening!

Their actions speak loud enough: they are mass-downmodding all Beta comments.

We post these things because we care. Our overlords are trying to stop making us care.

For posteriority: many of these "-1 offtopic" and "0 offtopic" posts that you see in today's threads were at one point "+5 interesting", "+5 insightful" or "+5 funny". That was the opinion of the people with mod points, what you see now is what the editors were told to do by Dice management.

Re:donotwant Slashdot Beta (1)

acid_andy (534219) | about 9 months ago | (#46176243)

Yeh but the downmodding with no other communication doesn't qualify for my "have the decency and respect for your long term readers" clause.

Re:donotwant Slashdot Beta (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 9 months ago | (#46176291)

Oh sorry, I forgot, that wouldn't keep the advertisers happy.

You would think that what would keep the advertisers happy would be increased page views.

I'm betting that even a week of useless threads due to complaints about the beta will cause a substantial, permanent loss of readership. If it keeps up for much longer, the site will be dead. And given the non-response of the editors so far, it looks like that's how this is going to go down.

I hope that somebody is keeping track of a history of page views, unique visitors, ad impressions, and so on. It will be a good demonstration of what happens to a company that ignores its users.

Re:donotwant Slashdot Beta (1)

Soulskill (1459) | about 9 months ago | (#46176543)

We're collecting and listening to all of your feedback.

There have been many changes to the beta site since its inception last October, all in response to user feedback. It's an impossibility to act on it all, since some users want exactly the opposite of other users, but we're weighing everything we get. And there's work yet to be finished; it's still a beta, after all.

Re:donotwant Slashdot Beta (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 9 months ago | (#46176773)

It's an impossibility to act on it all, since some users want exactly the opposite of other users,

What, you mean there are people who actually like the redesign?

Don't get me wrong the "new version" is more visually engaging (in the way that a lot of default Wordpress themes are), but if you've been involved in Slashdot for more than the last 30 seconds, you know that the community here cares far less about visual stimuli than we do for the communication we share in the discussion threads.

Make whatever excuses you want, but so long as commenting is treated as an afterthought in the redesign, you're making it plain to us that you don't care what we think.

Re:donotwant Slashdot Beta (1)

Soulskill (1459) | about 9 months ago | (#46176843)

Well, to answer your first question -- yes, there are some users who like the redesign. It's a bit of an echo chamber in the comments, but we've received some complimentary emails. (Which is not to say we weight those more heavily than uncomplimentary ones -- we don't.)

Commenting is certainly not an afterthought. It's at the top of our list for things that need more work. We know you come to the site for the comments (as we ourselves did back in the '90s).

Save Slashdot Classic (5, Interesting)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 9 months ago | (#46176145)

Shame, I'd actually like to discuss this topic. But, then I'd be jeopardizing every future discussion.

Javascript dancing baloney and giant pretty pictures belong on USA Today, not Slashdot.

The meat of Slashdot, the substance that draws viewers here instead of the alternatives, is the comments. Lose those comments and you will lose the eyeballs. Lose the eyeballs and you will lose the ad revenue.

Alternatively, you can accept that you made a mistake, keep Slashdot classic, and keep the steady flow of cash. Make the right business decision, here, Dice. Don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Alternative alternative: Dice; make us an offer. If you really have written this thing off, give us your stats so we can crunch the numbers and tell us your price. It should be pretty clear that the path you're on will not be lucrative, so show your lowest and best offer. There's some pretty affluent folks here, and this place is important to us. If the workers at Harley Davidson could do it, surely it is possible for us to do the same.

No legitimate discussion until Slashdot classic is restored. Sacrifice a few days of discussion now to save all the days in the future. The Spirit of Mohdri Dragon [wired.com] Lives! (feel free to get drunk and naked while posting)

Re:Save Slashdot Classic (1)

sinij (911942) | about 9 months ago | (#46176545)

It would be nice if they let Beta render without allowing half the internet run random sh1t on your browser.

Also, if you ever seen pop-up announcment about Beta - you are not doing intrwebs right. Secure your browser!

Now imagine Beowulf cluster of Beta covered in hot grits.

Re:Save Slashdot Classic (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 9 months ago | (#46176789)

(feel free to get drunk and naked while posting)

Uh, excuse me, but I'm at work.

Meaning the drunken nudity is a foregone conclusion :)

Works pretty well for keeping the marketing drones away from my cube.

Hi NSA (-1, Offtopic)

meta-monkey (321000) | about 9 months ago | (#46176151)

I think it's fairly obvious by now the real reason the Slashdot Beta is being forced up our rectums. It's a plot by the NSA and GCHQ to disrupt the online meeting places of "undesirables." FIGHT THE POWAH! DOWN WITH BETA! YOU CAN TAKE MY HOT GRITS BUT YOU CAN NEVER TAKE MY FREEEEEEEEEEEDUMB!

Sure the beta sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176155)

But what sucks more is all of the whining and bitching going on. That's what's truly made this site suck.

Re:Sure the beta sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176555)

...says the guy whining about all the whining.

Slashdot is dead. I'm willing to bet that half of the regular contributors will be gone by the end of the week. They see the future and the future is Beta. No thanks.

Beta a weapon deployed by GCHQ?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176157)

What if Beta is part of a targeted campaign by GCHQ and the NSA to disrupt technical discussions on Slashdot??
FUCK BETA, for freedom!

My guess (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176167)

They are trying to get IRC to split to garner some information from the servers about the users and connections to it, or take over ownership of the channel briefly and get information that way about the users in the channel.

Look up General Smedley Butler and read some of his very short books on the subject. Its interesting he isn't' in U.S. history books in school. This all looks familiar somehow.

No one cares about ontopic discussion (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176239)

The topic is fuck slash beta until it goes away. If it doesn't go away, then fuck this rob malda left it in terrible hands. He has lots o money and he didn't even leave the site in good hands. He left it in the hands a fucking content farm company. He might as well as sold it to answers.com.

The information I heard.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176229)

I was told that the redesigned /. will look like balls. I logged in, the other day, with Opera (wanted to try the old Opera before WebKit) and oops?! WTF is this? A UI that tries to HINDER me from accessing information? Not good.

I will be boy cot ting! 10-17 of february

Re:The information I heard.... (1)

carlos92 (682924) | about 9 months ago | (#46176563)

Boycott will never happen. This will be dead even before the boycott, it's already almost dead now. I have only seen one comment on the article. The spirit of Slashdot has already departed.

Beta Rape (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176235)

Fuck Beta (posted anonymous - does that make it beta rape?)

BetaNet: DICE-Sponsored Attacks on Slashdot (2, Insightful)

ShaunC (203807) | about 9 months ago | (#46176241)

Cut this shit out. Revert. Take the DICE Marketing department out for a nice big lunch, drinks and all. Then send them home for the weekend. Then undo the damage they've done.

I'm sadly sure that this is an intentional ploy to drive away long-time users ("geeks" and "nerds") who have contributed so much that, like me, they're eligible to disable advertising. What they don't understand is that even if my karma was shit (we don't get numbers anymore, I guess mine would be 50++++++), I'd still be using Ghostery and AdBlock to block the ads without Slashdot's generous option.

Wake up, guys. This is a tech site. The comments make the site. The users make the site. We aren't going to sit around and watch it go to shit. You will have nothing, ZERO left if the beta interface goes into production, except for a few new users who came over from MSNBC.

Writing, wall, see it, hope you have negotiated a nice severance package.

Re:BetaNet: DICE-Sponsored Attacks on Slashdot (2)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 9 months ago | (#46176419)

The Marketing Department at DICE Cybernetics Corporation are a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

Slashdot Clone? (4, Interesting)

Keick (252453) | about 9 months ago | (#46176301)

Ok, I tried the beta. Yeah its not pretty, the comment section is pretty small width wise, it looks HORRIBLE on my iPad... The client side filtering of comments completely ignores my long time preferences, etc etc.

To the point; Many have asked about cloning Slashdot, and retaking the community site. But has anyone thought about how such a mission could be accomplished? Yes I know I can go grab slashcode and standup a 16 core xeon box to toss on my 100mbps connection. But what about the users, the stories, the comments. We can't just screen scrape those to stand up a new site.

In what possible way could we honestly standup a new slashdot that is community owned?

Brett

Re:Slashdot Clone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176869)

Its a good question that low UID users should be able to answer.

How do you bring the vict^H^H^H^H users to a new and promised land?

Government Does This Everywhere, But ... (1)

dmomo (256005) | about 9 months ago | (#46176305)

It's usually obvious to the users. For instance, look at Slashdot's beta design... No normal webmaster who knows this site and its users would ever let garbage see the light of day. Slashdot Beta is obviously Government-Sponsored malware.

C'mon editors (1)

gallondr00nk (868673) | about 9 months ago | (#46176355)

Open up a story for all of this. There's been dozens of red marked stories in the firehose, and you're all going on like nothing is happening. It's your job, I can appreciate that, but as site staff you need to address this at some point.

If Dice are wanting to turn /. into another me-too Cloud/Biz/TV news aggregation garbage, it's your jobs that are on the line too. The slashdot you know will get eaten alive.

Ask yourselves, what will the site have left if nobody contributes?

Re:C'mon editors (1)

Soulskill (1459) | about 9 months ago | (#46176575)

Re:C'mon editors (1)

MarcoAtWork (28889) | about 9 months ago | (#46176877)

I suggest you have a "sticky" top story for beta remaining at the top of the page ( maybe with a different background ) until this is decided one way or another, this way hopefully it will be more likely beta discussions will stay in there vs in every story that's posted.

Down with beta (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176405)

Just another comment saying FUCK BETA

"As we migrate our audience" (4, Insightful)

skillrod (555920) | about 9 months ago | (#46176435)

That's one way to look at it what this Beta will do.

Re:"As we migrate our audience" (3, Insightful)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 9 months ago | (#46176615)

THAT's the problem right there. They think we're the AUDIENCE and not the CONTRIBUTERS.

NEWSFLASH: We don't come here for the stellar editing, we come here to make and read and reply to each other's comments. YOU'RE not supplying the content, WE are. Display some ads and stay out of the way, or expect most of us to "migrate" to another site.

Ahhh Bitcoin mining was DDOSd the other day (1)

Havokmon (89874) | about 9 months ago | (#46176465)

I was wondering why anyone would DDOS a mining pool. It doesn't seem to me like that would be an effective method of stealing cyrpto-currency, but the Government surely doesn't like it, so there's the answer. https://www.multipool.us/index... [multipool.us]

Fuck beta (2)

NoImNotNineVolt (832851) | about 9 months ago | (#46176483)

If Dice doesn't reconsider this redesign by the 17th, I guess there won't be anything left to do on here other than earn membership in GNAA.

Car analogy time (3, Insightful)

Bob the Super Hamste (1152367) | about 9 months ago | (#46176507)

Car analogy time:
I have gotten rid of vehicles that sucked less than the Slashdot beta. Seriously even that '85 Bronco II where everything was rusty, none of the body panels matched, and that had bad compression on the #5 cylinder sucked less than beta.slashdot.org.

Re:Car analogy time (2)

OzPeter (195038) | about 9 months ago | (#46176549)

Car analogy time:

I have gotten rid of vehicles that sucked less than the Slashdot beta. Seriously even that '85 Bronco II where everything was rusty, none of the body panels matched, and that had bad compression on the #5 cylinder sucked less than beta.slashdot.org.

Yeah ..I've heard that about Bronco's .. seems like they haven't had a good run for years

Re:Car analogy time (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 9 months ago | (#46176817)

Car analogy time:

I have gotten rid of vehicles that sucked less than the Slashdot beta. Seriously even that '85 Bronco II where everything was rusty, none of the body panels matched, and that had bad compression on the #5 cylinder sucked less than beta.slashdot.org.

Yeah ..I've heard that about Bronco's .. seems like they haven't had a good run for years

Suddenly I wish I hadn't commented on this thread...

+5 Zing!

Beta (2)

riis138 (3020505) | about 9 months ago | (#46176597)

Please learn the lesson that M$ should have learned with Windows 8. Don't push a cantankerous and cranky user base towards a pseudo-modern U.I.

The more star systems you squeeze the more (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 9 months ago | (#46176691)

The more star systems you squeeze, the more will slip through your grasp, NSA Vader.

FUCK BETA (2)

vivek7006 (585218) | about 9 months ago | (#46176707)

FUCK BETA. I want my classic back. And one more thing, FUCK BETA!

2014: Will Slashdot Beta Be The End of Slashdot? (2)

AmicoToni (123984) | about 9 months ago | (#46176811)

Another Slashdot reader since 1998 here. Not for much longer, presumably: if Beta stays I will most certainly leave, as may others will, no doubt. Appalling.

Wow, a story about IRC and no comments! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46176837)

It's been over an hour, and there are no comments. The old guard here really has fled. A decade ago, I would have expected 200+ comments the first hour rather than zero.

    -- Proud AC since Oct '98

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