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The Standards Wars and the Sausage Factory

timothy posted about 9 months ago | from the these-things-take-time dept.

Networking 234

Esther Schindler writes "We all know how important tech standards are. But the making of them is sometimes a particularly ugly process. Years, millions of dollars, and endless arguments are spent arguing about standards. The reason for our fights aren't any different from those that drove Edison and Westinghouse: It's all about who benefits – and profits – from a standard. As just one example, Steven Vaughan-Nichols details the steps it took to approve a networking standard that everyone, everyone knew was needed: 'Take, for example, the long hard road for the now-universal IEEE 802.11n Wi-Fi standard. There was nothing new about the multiple-in, multiple-out (MIMO) and channel-bonding techniques when companies start moving from 802.11g to 802.11n in 2003. Yet it wasn't until 2009 that the standard became official.'"

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We must resist the BETA! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177065)

Join us on IRC channel #slashdot on http://www.slashnet.org !
We will rebuild !
Fuck the beta !

Beta is fine, Beta is great.... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177587)

Just change everything about it and it will be perfect! First of all, I found Comment Threshold and that is good, however the default should be 1, not 0, because otherwise you get some truly vile comments on your first pass.

Next, Comment Threshold is nearly invisible. if it was defaulted to 1 that might not matter but it isn't so it does, so fix it.

EVERYONE HATES LOAD MORE COMMENTS.
either autoload them as you scroll down, or better yet just fucking load them to begin with.

I kind of feel as though the walls are closing in on my a bit on the left and right. why so little text and so much empty space? Are you getting ready to do wrap-style banners? Please don't do that.

How about collapsing some of these posts? Commenters should hook us in with a decent title, and that is all we should see until we click it. otherwise, we just CONSUME page space for no good reason, and it makes the conversation harder to follow.

There is so much additional whitespace. This isn't a design/marketing website, and we don't appreciate the ascetic as much as you might have anticipated. a little narrowing of the gaps would go a long way.

This is a story all about how my life got... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177067)

...flipped turned upside down and I'd like to take a minute just sit right there I'll tell you FUCK BETA.

BUCK FETA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177069)

BETA IS FAIL

Begun they have... (-1, Offtopic)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | about 9 months ago | (#46177081)

..the Beta wars.

Re:Begun they have... (4, Insightful)

carlos92 (682924) | about 9 months ago | (#46177111)

Mod parent up please!

Re:Begun they have... (3, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | about 9 months ago | (#46177141)

Let's be clear who the combatants are: Dice vs. Slashdot users.

I have yet to hear anyone defend Beta. (If you do, you might want to post AC to preserve your karma. I doubt the moderators will be kind to someone who is so wrong.)

Re:Begun they have... (3, Insightful)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about 9 months ago | (#46177219)

I doubt the moderators will be kind to someone who is so wrong.

Well, the users with mod points might not be kind. But there seems to be an unlimited supply of OT mods going about that are being applied to anti-beta posts. I'm sure the individual(s) doing this would be happy to supply some good karma to the turncloak.

Re:Begun they have... (2, Informative)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 9 months ago | (#46177555)

Gee, who do you think has unlimited mod points and a vested interest in shutting down the anti-beta posts?

The funny thing is, as another poster pointed out, the /. editors would be the first ones to cry "Censorship!" if some other site attempted to silence *their* users.

Re:Begun they have... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177223)

have you seen how the past dates are displayed on posts? it only says 3 years ago... WTF... why not say what day and months? is it too difficult to display the date correctly? I wonder how they came up with slashbeta?

I don't think Dice realizes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177249)

Soulskill is actually claiming that they listened to community feedback. Bull. Shit.

Re:I don't think Dice realizes (1)

demontechie (180612) | about 9 months ago | (#46177297)

Where is this claim being made?

Re:I don't think Dice realizes (3, Informative)

geminidomino (614729) | about 9 months ago | (#46177443)

In the Quakenet [slashdot.org] comments.

Re:I don't think Dice realizes (2)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 9 months ago | (#46177609)

They may well have *listened* to it. It was the fact that they then *disregarded it* that's the problem.

Re:Begun they have... (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 9 months ago | (#46177283)

Let's be clear who the combatants are: Dice vs. Slashdot users.

And Dice is interested in exactly one thing: their revenue stream.

So, if someone with a corner office has decided this will grow revenues ... then I assume they don't give a fuck about what we want.

If that means they lose the core audience of Slashdot and turn it into the next Women's World Weekly, that's what they'll do.

Beta does look like ass -- but corporations chasing profits only care about the profits. Thee and me, well, we're just the under-performing product which isn't generating enough ad revenue.

Which was more or less a predictable outcome the moment it got sold to Dice in the first place.

Re:Begun they have... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177573)

Your assumption makes you look like an ass. A guy in a corner office is to be concerned with his revenue stream, which IS his community. So they'll try to update their site to to ensure it attracts the most people.

The problem is, most slashdot contributors I don't think click on the ads. So frankly as a community, you're not that valuable. They're redesigning the site to attract more people that might click on ads and increase their revenue. And what's wrong with that? They have ongoing costs in terms of servers, IT support, and the moderators. Word is for the most part the Slashdot revenue stream has been shrinking for Dice, which means they'd be bleeding money. Even if they were non-profit they would have to be concerned about this; you can't support a money-losing enterprise forever. So it's change or shutter.

I'm the kind of guy they want. I post AC and don't have a profile, but I do click on ads. I have bought stuff through those click throughs. I support Slashdot by supporting their advertisers because I value the resource Slashdot provides me. Frankly I'm not a fan of the beta, but I think Slashdot's look is dated and clunky, so something new is at least welcome.

So frankly, yes, the beta wars have begun, and the protesters came with a lot of shouting and no weapons. Have fun losing. I mean, where are you going to go? Gawker? CNet? Maybe you'll find the stories they post on your own. If so, good luck to you and enjoy spending your time doing that. Also, good riddance.

Re:Begun they have... (3, Insightful)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 9 months ago | (#46177479)

Let's be clear who the combatants are: Dice vs. Slashdot users.

I have yet to hear anyone defend Beta. (If you do, you might want to post AC to preserve your karma. I doubt the moderators will be kind to someone who is so wrong.)

Personally, I don't have a beef with Dice. Now all of the flaming "Fuck the Beta" posts, that's a different story. The beta is far more useable than classic mode is with all of these posts, so personally, if I'm going to go to war over slashdot it will be with the people messing it up -- and that isn't Dice.

***SLAP*** (2)

pr0ntab (632466) | about 9 months ago | (#46177567)

Them's fighting words. HAVE AT THEE

Re:Begun they have... (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 9 months ago | (#46177517)

You guys are going to drive poor Beta to suicide! Then you'll feel guilty!!

Re:Begun they have... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177177)

..the Beta wars.

Won't be much of a war when all those opposed simply throw down their keyboards and stop playing.

Re:Begun they have... (4, Insightful)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | about 9 months ago | (#46177213)

The only winning move is not to play.

Re:Begun they have... (5, Insightful)

PvtVoid (1252388) | about 9 months ago | (#46177221)

..the Beta wars.

I initially found the protest against annoying and juvenile, but I'm changing my mind. Slashdot is its contributors. Look what happens when they cease to contribute.

Power to the people, motherfuckers!

Re:Begun they have... (5, Funny)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | about 9 months ago | (#46177337)

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Hell no. And it's not over now...

Re:Begun they have... (2)

PvtVoid (1252388) | about 9 months ago | (#46177361)

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!

Re:Begun they have... (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | about 9 months ago | (#46177379)

And we're just the guys to do it!

Re:Begun they have... (2)

dciman (106457) | about 9 months ago | (#46177395)

Agreed, the little news blurbs on the page would be quite useless without the discussions.

Re:Begun they have... (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 9 months ago | (#46177513)

Agreed, the little news blurbs on the page would be quite useless without the discussions.

You mean like they are, now? As somebody else pointed out, Dice is interested in revenue streams. All this beta hate does is make slashdot not viable. People may get their wish and the beta will be cancelled -- right about when Dice shuts down slashdot all together. Great way to win the battle and lose the war.

Re:Begun they have... (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | about 9 months ago | (#46177589)

Wait. There are little news blurbs?

Re:Begun they have... (1)

PvtVoid (1252388) | about 9 months ago | (#46177607)

Wait. There are little news blurbs?

Right above "FR1ST P0ST!"

Ahahahahahaha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177481)

How hard is it to contribute?

And there will always be folks who'll contribute so they can get that little ego boost from seeing their UID up there.

Guys, it's gonna happen. Dice needs some sort of ROI from this site and all your protesting does shit - NADA !

Now, if all of us stopped coming here ..... and traffic drops to nothing ....just saying.

Re:Begun they have... (2)

synapse7 (1075571) | about 9 months ago | (#46177485)

I'm surprised with the amount of protesting under each story there hasn't been a response from Dice.

Re:Begun they have... (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 9 months ago | (#46177641)

I'm surprised with the amount of protesting under each story there hasn't been a response from Dice.

Soulskill was responding to posts a bit ago, I'm guessing that task was handed down from on high.

Hopefully he's stopped, for the sake of his own sanity.

Re:Begun they have... (0)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 9 months ago | (#46177645)

..the Beta wars.

I initially found the protest against annoying and juvenile, but I'm changing my mind. Slashdot is its contributors. Look what happens when they cease to contribute.

Power to the people, motherfuckers!

I haven't seen any evidence of contributors ceasing to contribute. I also fail to see how the new format would somehow hinder contributors from contributing. All I see is a lot bitching by commentors, most of them ACs. One thing you would think that all slashdot purveyors would understand is that change is inevitable.

Do I like the new beta look, not really, but then I'm not very partial to the classic design, either. If people spent as much energy helping the less fortunate as they do whining about the slashdot beta, the world might just really be a better place.

Re:Begun they have... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177561)

In A.D. 2014
War was beginning.
Captain: What happen ?
Mechanic: Somebody set up us the beta.
Operator: We get signal.
Captain: What !
Operator: Main screen turn on.
Captain: It's You !!
Dice: How are you gentlemen !!
Dice: All your site are belong to us.
Dice: You are on the way to destruction.
Captain: What you say !!
Dice: You have no chance to survive make your time.
Dice: HA HA HA HA ....
Captain: Take off every 'classic' !!
Captain: You know what you doing.
Captain: Move 'CLASSIC'.
Captain: For great justice.

Beta sucks (-1, Flamebait)

carlos92 (682924) | about 9 months ago | (#46177091)

What a coincidence, Dice thinks of Slashdot as another sausage coming from their factory, that needs to be standardized.

Re:Beta sucks (3, Informative)

dmomo (256005) | about 9 months ago | (#46177239)

Yep. How long before they come fed up with these protests and start deleting comments, or moderating them into oblivion? Please continue the fight, and also, pleace comment outside of their control here on reddit (where I may soon be moving to if classic goes away): http://www.reddit.com/r/social... [reddit.com]

The real question... (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 9 months ago | (#46177529)

Yep. How long before they come fed up with these protests and start deleting comments, or moderating them into oblivion? Please continue the fight, and also, pleace comment outside of their control here on reddit (where I may soon be moving to if classic goes away): http://www.reddit.com/r/social... [reddit.com]

The real question will be how long before they become fed up with these protests and just shutdown slashdot?

Re:Beta sucks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177253)

First comes the fact that I am unable to renew my subscription (the checkbox is dimmed), second, to me, the beta is worthless.

Bad thing, there are not many places to go for decent content. Digg and Reddit are at the level of /b/ these days, and I get better news articles shared from Upworthy, Buzzfeed or Cracked than those two sites.

Maybe it is time to head back to USENET, or maybe someone should make something functionally identical to USENET/NNTP except architected with anti-spam provisions and the fact that if a site gets known for uncontrolled spamming, other sites just won't forward that site's stuff.

Re:Beta sucks (2)

PvtVoid (1252388) | about 9 months ago | (#46177323)

Maybe it is time to head back to USENET, or maybe someone should make something functionally identical to USENET/NNTP except architected with anti-spam provisions and the fact that if a site gets known for uncontrolled spamming, other sites just won't forward that site's stuff.

Sigh. I do miss Kibo and Ludwig Plutonium.

Re:Beta sucks (1)

geminidomino (614729) | about 9 months ago | (#46177483)

something functionally identical to USENET/NNTP except architected with anti-spam provisions and the fact that if a site gets known for uncontrolled spamming, other sites just won't forward that site's stuff.

So... USENET/NNTP? It could do that stuff: the failure wasn't technical, it was the human element. Admins tended to be notably reluctant to employ the UDP [catb.org] , for some reason

Re:Beta sucks (2)

Arrogant-Bastard (141720) | about 9 months ago | (#46177515)

As a long-time (VERY long-time) veteran of Usenet, I'd like to point out that it's quite viable. The anti-spam methods now in place are quite a bit better than what we had just a few years ago. There are a number of newsgroups that are doing very well (including a lot of technical ones), some that are languishing, and some that are on hold.

Usenet has a lot of architectural features that make it very good for these kinds of discussions: it is privacy-friendly. It's text-based. it's easily gatewayed to and from email. It's easily archived. (I have many, many years of certain newsgroups.) It requires modest resources. It's resilient in the face of broken sites and broken network links. It's bandwidth-friendly. It runs on relatively lightweight hardware. The software is mature. And so on.

Not that it's perfect: of course it's not, and I can probably enumerate its flaws better than all but a handful of other people. But it works, and it works well even when other allegedly more sophisticated mechanisms fail. I've long said that Usenet proficiency is one of the basic qualifications for system and network administrators: they don't need to know the ins/outs of NNTP nor do they need to admin a node, but they do need to know how to use it.

Since /. appears to be intent on committing public suicide via this idiotic Beta, supported exclusively by the imbicles and morons at Dice, perhaps it's time to start migrating back to Usenet, where corporations can't exert the kind of control they can here.

Re:Beta sucks (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 9 months ago | (#46177393)

What a coincidence, Dice thinks of Slashdot as another sausage coming from their factory, that needs to be standardized.

Yes, and in that briefest of moments, they epitomized everything wrong with society today. While we all talk about individuality and uniqueness, our economy is built on one-size-fits-all and making carbon copies of everything. Our houses, furniture, cars... pretty much everything we own comes off an assembly line. And the kicker? It's still more diversity than we're seeing on newly launched websites. Invariably, it's pastels, square blocks, and while it's pretty to look at, it's functionally about as useful as a flat tire on the interstate. Which is to say, you can move the car.. but you're not going to enjoy it.

The internet's standards and protocols were built to allow for a nearly limitless selection of design, every kind of spoken and written language, multimedia... it's all there. So why then, do the couple hundred people that hold all the money in the world seem to have homogenized into a single herd... charging like lemmings over cliffs while screaming "You're gonna follow us or else!?" Is it some kind of power trip? Some kind of collective psychosis?

I mean, how loudly do we have to say it before they get the message? Do we have to literally burn down their offices around them before they can see the people outside holding the signs that say "You had a good thing going. Then you fucked it up so bad nobody wants it anymore. TAKE THE HINT." ?! I am geniunely curious as to how this kind of disconnect becomes so severe without any warning indicators appearing. It's not like we haven't been telling them it sucks from day one. Do they not have focus groups? Did they not check their e-mail for the past, uhh... six months? Or is this an institutionalized case of confirmation bias and arrogance taken to a level in excess of that even seen in government?

I really do want to know how a load of fail this big happens. It's an excellent marketing study on how not to do it. We should teach this shit in classrooms.

Re:Beta sucks (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 9 months ago | (#46177571)

The internet's standards and protocols were built to allow for a nearly limitless selection of design, every kind of spoken and written language, multimedia... it's all there.

I'm pretty sure that was not one of DARPAs stated goals. Sounds good, though.

With all the rants about the beta, I have yet to see specifics as to what is less functional or causing such distress. It is different, but exactly what is causing such frustration? It's just a news feed, afterall, nobody's life or liberty is being harmed.

Beta Sucks (-1, Flamebait)

sbcc (2728647) | about 9 months ago | (#46177093)

Rare that I even sign in, but I read daily.

Beta is a trainwreck.

Keep classic.

Re:Beta Sucks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177335)

have you seen how the past dates are displayed on posts? it only says 3 years ago... WTF... why not say what day and months? is it too difficult to display the date correctly? I wonder how they came up with slashbeta? why are they doing this? and
what the hell is going on in their minds?

I am Slashdot (-1, Flamebait)

OzPeter (195038) | about 9 months ago | (#46177107)

I submit stories. I read stories. I add comments. I moderate comments. I am the reason that there is ad revenue.

I am Slashdot.

Re:I am Slashdot (3, Insightful)

carlos92 (682924) | about 9 months ago | (#46177127)

We are the product, jumping from the shelves. What's the name of the store across the street?

Re:I am Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177333)

We are the product, jumping from the shelves. What's the name of the store across the street?

Reddit.... /cry

Re:I am Slashdot (1)

arth1 (260657) | about 9 months ago | (#46177535)

Reddit.... /cry

The way things are going, pretty soon /b/ will seem a better alternative for discourse.

Re:I am Slashdot (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 9 months ago | (#46177679)

Reddit.... /cry

The way things are going, pretty soon /b/ will seem a better alternative for discourse.

You see that, Slashdot/Dice puppetmasters? Do you see what you're doing to us?

Someone, please, think of the children, and scuttle that abomination unto humanity known as beta.slashdot.org!

Re:I am Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177493)

The only thing they have on us is an email and a user name. The overused Facebook analogy is a little far fetched for ./

FUCK BETA

Re:I am Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177351)

I submit stories. I read stories. I add comments. I moderate comments. I am the reason that there is ad revenue.

I am Slashdot.

So... you are one of those left-wing assholes that ruined this site.., it's not the "beta" but you... FUCKLEFTWINGSLASHDOTCROWD !!!

I'm not Slashdot.... (4, Insightful)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | about 9 months ago | (#46177391)

I am not Slashdot -- I am part of the Slashdot community, and the community can go elsewhere. Old Slashdot was pretty good (certainly not perfect), but it was mostly the people here that made it great, and they were just guided by a sensible and intelligent framework (the moderation system was special), and a common goofy culture (Soviet Russia, Natalie Portman, insensitive clods...).

Don't feel discouraged, and don't think that this current Slashdot is the only option. New Slashdots can replace it because the website code ("Slash") is open-source. AltSlashdot is looking at getting this code up and running. Maybe there will be a variety of Slashdots in the future, who knows? In any case, we know that we don't need Dice, and we don't necessarily need the past history of Slashdot. New frameworks can be set up, people can go to a new site, and the electrons will flow elsewhere. In open-source terminology, we can fork Slashdot at anytime, and since Cowboyneal isn't an editor anymore here, I won't feel bad about leaving him behind.

DICE SUCKS. BETA SUCKS. FUCK BETA.

Re:I'm not Slashdot.... (2)

OzPeter (195038) | about 9 months ago | (#46177497)

I am not Slashdot -- I am part of the Slashdot community, and the community can go elsewhere. Old Slashdot was pretty good (certainly not perfect), but it was mostly the people here that made it great, and they were just guided by a sensible and intelligent framework (the moderation system was special), and a common goofy culture (Soviet Russia, Natalie Portman, insensitive clods...).

Which is exactly my point. Without there community there is no slashdot, If the community moves en-masse to another location then the website that is slashdot ceases to exist. However, while that other location will be something, it will be different from Slashdot.

Re:I am Slashdot (1)

TigerPlish (174064) | about 9 months ago | (#46177469)

That, sir, is probably the best Fuck Beta comment yet. Bravo. Bra-vo!

Endless arguments are spent arguing (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177115)

Endless arguments are spent arguing about just how bad Slashdot Beta is. Who benefits? Who profits?

Fuck Beta.

Jesus Christ... (-1, Offtopic)

broginator (1955750) | about 9 months ago | (#46177121)

STFU about the beta site already, we get it.

Re:Jesus Christ... (1)

NoImNotNineVolt (832851) | about 9 months ago | (#46177139)

You're not the target audience.

And it's evident that Dice sure as fuck does not get it.

Re:Jesus Christ... (2)

arth1 (260657) | about 9 months ago | (#46177189)

STFU about the beta site already, we get it.

That's because you are slightly less dense than the DICE overlords, who still don't get it. More protests are needed, until it's clear that the brass and not just the foot soldiers have heard us.

Re:Jesus Christ... (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about 9 months ago | (#46177207)

Who cares if you get it?

Re:Jesus Christ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177295)

Looks like the Slashdot community is playing a story-DDoSing attack on Slashdot.

Shitting in your own backyard, pissing in the aquifer...

Re:Jesus Christ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177341)

If Beta is the only future god damn lets sink the ship with dignity.

DOWN WITH BETA

Re:Jesus Christ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177301)

> STFU about the beta site already, we get it.

MOD SOULLESS USER DOWN.

Car analogy time (-1, Flamebait)

Bob the Super Hamste (1152367) | about 9 months ago | (#46177159)

Car analogy time:
I have gotten rid of vehicles that sucked less than the Slashdot beta. Seriously even that '85 Bronco II where everything was rusty, none of the body panels matched, and that had bad compression on the #5 cylinder sucked less than beta.slashdot.org.

Tech Standards Evolve (-1, Flamebait)

dmomo (256005) | about 9 months ago | (#46177161)

Sometimes they evolve organically. Often, some interested party steps in, and turns it all upside down and ruins it. When this happens, the standard is often likely to fail because it didn't meet the needs of the users (the real stakeholders).

This is sort of what is about to happen to slashdot with the introduction of Beta. Some interested party with power steps in, and flips it upside down. What they fail to realize is that Slashdot isn't a website. It's the users. And Slashdot users are a very special class of curmudgeons... take your Beta off my lawn and shove it.

Please discuss!
http://www.reddit.com/r/social... [reddit.com]

Re:Tech Standards Evolve (3, Insightful)

dmomo (256005) | about 9 months ago | (#46177185)

Oh sweet sweet Karma. Farewell. We had a good run of it, didn't we?

Re:Tech Standards Evolve (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177477)

karma is a bitch

Post in every story (-1, Flamebait)

Random2 (1412773) | about 9 months ago | (#46177169)

Please post this to new articles if it hasn't been posted yet.

On February 5, 2014, Slashdot announced through a javascript popup that they are starting to "move in to" the new Slashdot Beta design.

Slashdot Beta is a trend-following attempt to give Slashdot a fresh look, an approach that has led to less space for text and an abandonment of the traditional Slashdot look. Much worse than that, Slashdot Beta fundamentally breaks the classic Slashdot discussion and moderation system.

If you haven't seen Slashdot Beta already, open this [slashdot.org] in a new tab. After seeing that, click here [slashdot.org] to return to classic Slashdot.

We should boycott stories and only discuss the abomination that is Slashdot Beta until Dice abandons the project.
We should boycott slashdot entirely during the week of Feb 10 to Feb 17 as part of the wider slashcott [slashdot.org]

Moderators - only spend mod points on comments that discuss Beta
Commentors - only discuss Beta http://slashdot.org/recent [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org] - Vote up the Fuck Beta stories

Keep this up for a few days and we may finally get the PHBs attention.

Discussion of Beta: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=56395415 [slashdot.org]
Discussion of where to go if Beta goes live: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3321441 [slashdot.org]
Alternative Slashdot: altslashdot.org [altslashdot.org]

Re:Post in every story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177421)

Pastebin for this comment, with HTML markup (please correct / modify / add to as needed):

http://pastebin.com/CKgS1mYM [pastebin.com]

Re:Post in every story (3, Insightful)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 9 months ago | (#46177467)

Can we please spam the firehose with articles on this? Perhaps if we can get it repeatedly on the front page itself? Just post it and get people to upvote the story on the beta, rather than just on the comments.

The beta is bad at showing comments, so maybe if the headlines are "Slashdot Beta Sucks" ..

Re:Post in every story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177577)

Well, the way the rest of us see it, you guys are throwing a giant temper tantrum and acting like morons.

Beta blows, but any post which isn't saying "Fuck Beta" is being marked off-topic.

At present, Slashdot has been reduced to millions of screeching monkeys flinging poo.

Re:Post in every story (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | about 9 months ago | (#46177667)

Wow. I just visited the beta site. I can't believe anyone would want to foist that poor of a layout on /.

It took 6 years to become a standard (-1, Flamebait)

mattventura (1408229) | about 9 months ago | (#46177175)

How long will it take to dump the beta?

Alternatively, how long will it take to lose all their users?

No Quarter Given (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177287)

We keep it up until they address the terms of their surrender!

Response from Dice management to beta backlash. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177205)

"Let them eat beta."

Where else to go? (-1, Flamebait)

willoughby (1367773) | about 9 months ago | (#46177231)

I've seen the Beta and don't like it. I've seen several comments saying there are other places to go for tech news/discussions. What are these other sites?

I've not seen a tech news site with lively discussions and it's the discussions I'm interested in. I've learned more from the discussions here on (old) Slashdot than the stories.

What are some tech news/discussion websites I should check out?

Re:Where else to go? (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 9 months ago | (#46177519)

lately, I've been hanging out at eevblog.

good people there, lots of techies but not really a news site.

still, its not run by a corporation (yet) and so it still has a soul.

USE TOR TO POST MORE COMMENTS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177233)

Hi, just letting ya'll know if you don't already - You can use Tor to reload Slashdot under a new IP once you reach the posting limit. Helps submit maximum BETA SUCKS COMMENTS

DOWN WITH SLASHBETA. BETA FUCKING SUCKS.

Fuck beta (-1, Flamebait)

NoImNotNineVolt (832851) | about 9 months ago | (#46177245)

This is ridiculous.

Any comment that isn't focusing on the steaming pile of shit that is being passed off as a redesigned site is off-topic.

Fuck the beta. Sure, we've all seen our share of "___ is killing slashdot, so I'm leaving" comments over the years. Video slashvertisements, other "sponsored content". However, I've never seen quite this level of outrage before.

Some of us thought that the devs were working behind the scenes on implementing UTF-8 support. Instead they were working on this?! Way to listen to your users, Dice.

Re:Fuck beta (5, Insightful)

demontechie (180612) | about 9 months ago | (#46177453)

Sure, we've all seen our share of "___ is killing slashdot, so I'm leaving" comments over the years. Video slashvertisements, other "sponsored content". However, I've never seen quite this level of outrage before.

I don't think slashdot's ever seen this level of outrage. Sure all change is met with some resistance, but this flies in the face of everything most important about the site. Moreover, it has managed to do something I've only ever seen once before [slashdot.org] - seemingly unite the whole population of slashdot users in a common purpose.

What's astonishing to me is the total lack of response. That the head editor (is that timothy now?) is silently downmodding relevant discussion about the survival of the site, without himself posting anything speaks volumes to me about how the management of slashdot has changed.

Taco, wherever you are, you are missed.

IMMINENT DEATH OF SLASHDOT PREDICTED (-1, Flamebait)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 9 months ago | (#46177257)

New Beta Sucks. Overlords gone profit mad! Dogs and cats, laying together! Even the Ghostbusters can't help us!

That's pretty much the sentiment. But here's an idea: Rob Malda (may God bless him in our time of ultimate need) gave us a tool to fight off our oppressors: The source code that powers classic slashdot. The kryptonite of the Overlords. Let us come together now with a kickstarter project, crowdsource our way into the amazon cloud, and free ourselves of these idiot fucktard web 2.0 morons. We have the technology! We can build it faster. Better. Stronger.

And free of Dic--Derp Holdings. Discuss.

Re:IMMINENT DEATH OF SLASHDOT PREDICTED (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177369)

and productivity SKYROCKETS!

DICE HOLDINGS IS A SAUSAGE FACTORY (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177263)

DOWN WITH BETA

Sausage Beta (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177299)

I don't like how beta was made (without serious consultation and requirements gathering) and I don't like the final product (site that no longer meets the needs of its community) so in this case I'm not eating whether I've seen the sausage factory or not.
FUCK BETA!!

Standards (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177315)

Standards are for when A: a given group cant get along at all aka Wifi
or B for when one group Clearly has the upper hand eg. intel
the whole reason intel decided to go it alone is other chip makers were poaching and profiting from their platforms during the socket 7 era.

Beta Feedback (2)

ChaseTec (447725) | about 9 months ago | (#46177325)

I don't like the beta either and hopefully every story being full of complaints will help but don't forget to complain on the survey and answer the request for email based feedback too.
Survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/sdredesign [surveymonkey.com]
mailto:feedback@slashdot.org?subject=beta_feedback [mailto]
Add comments to http://beta.slashdot.org/journal/634763/update-on-the-march-of-progress-how-slashdots-new-look-is-shaping-up [slashdot.org]

The self-fulfilling prophecy (4, Interesting)

robot5x (1035276) | about 9 months ago | (#46177343)

The Beta Version prophets of doom swamp every story with predictions that everyone will leave slashdot and hyperbolic comments about how awful the new version is...

The remaining few who visit to read intelligent posting on critical analysis of tech stories get served up page after page of hyperbolic comment on how awful the new version is instead. They also leave.

The end

At least we can pretend to control... (1)

pr0ntab (632466) | about 9 months ago | (#46177419)

... the way we are being forced out.

With a huge raging, diarrhea shit all over our former stomping grounds, forever marking it and dissuading its subsequent use.

Test of text rendering Slashdot Beta (3, Informative)

oRCAD Monkey (1867884) | about 9 months ago | (#46177357)

A little history of Slashdot courtesy of Wikipedia. What it was before It was destroyed by Beta. I tried posting this before but could not see it with beta. What am I doing wrong? I guess I will have to keep on trying until I can read it. Maybe that is why they call it beta. I am sure they will fix everything and everyone will be happy again. Tell me if you can read this. I am really upset that I can not see my own posts Maybe that is why they call it beta. I am sure they will fix everything and everyone will be happy again. Can you see this? I can't. What is wrong? Is this why they call it beta? I hope someone will be able to fix this because I am not happy it is not working. Maybe after the beta test is over it will work. It sure doesn't work now. I am getting even sadder.PLEASE HELP ME!!!!! The origins of the site now known as Slashdot date back to July 1997 when Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda started a personal website called Chips & Dips, which featured a single "rant" each day about something that interested him – typically something to do with Linux or open-source software. At the time, Malda was a student at Hope College in Holland, Michigan, majoring in computer science. The site became Slashdot in September 1997 under the slogan "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters," and quickly became a hotspot on the Web for news and information of interest to computer geeks.[4] The name "Slashdot" came from a somewhat "obnoxious parody of a URL" – when Malda registered the domain, he desired to make a name that was "silly and unpronounceable" – try pronouncing out, "h-t-t-p-colon-slash-slash-slashdot-dot-org".[5] By June 1998 the site was seeing as many as 100,000 page views per day and advertisers began to take notice.[4] By December 1998, Slashdot had net revenues of $18,000, yet its Internet profile was higher, and revenues were expected to increase. On June 29, 1999, the site was sold to Linux megasite Andover.net for $1.5 million in cash and $7 million in Andover stock at the IPO price. Part of the deal was contingent upon the continued employment of Rob Malda and Jeff Bates and on "the achievement of certain milestones". With the acquisition of Slashdot, Andover.net could now advertise itself as "the leading Linux/Open Source destination on the Internet".[6][7] Andover.net eventually merged with VA Linux on February 3, 2000,[8] which changed its name to SourceForge, Inc. on May 24, 2007, and became Geeknet, Inc. on November 4, 2009.[9] Slashdot's 10,000th article was posted after two and a half years on February 24, 2000,[10] and the 100,000th article was posted on December 11, 2009 after 12 years online.[11] During the first 12 years, the most active story with the most responses posted was the post-2004 US Presidential Election article "Kerry Concedes Election To Bush" with 5,687 posts. This followed the creation of a new article section, politics.slashdot.org, created at the start of the 2004 election on September 7, 2004.[12] Many of the most popular stories are political, with "Strike on Iraq" (March 19, 2003) the second-most-active article and "Barack Obama Wins US Presidency" (November 5, 2008) the third-most-active. The rest of the 10 most active articles are an article announcing the 2005 London bombings, and several articles about Evolution vs. Intelligent Design, Saddam Hussein's capture, and Fahrenheit 9/11. Articles about Microsoft and its Windows Operating System are popular—a thread posted in 2002 titled "What's Keeping You On Windows?" was the 10th-most-active story, and an article about Windows 2000/NT4 source-code leaks the most visited article with more than 680,000 hits.[13] Some controversy erupted on March 9, 2001 after an anonymous user posted the full text of Scientology's "Operating Thetan Level Three" (OT III) document in a comment attached to a Slashdot article. The Church of Scientology demanded that Slashdot remove the document under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. A week later, in a long article, Slashdot editors explained their decision to remove the page while providing links and information on how to get the document from other sources.[14] Slashdot Japan was launched on May 28, 2001 (although the first article was published April 5, 2001) and is an official offshoot of the US-based Web site. The site is currently owned by OSDN-Japan, Inc., and carries some of the US-based Slashdot articles as well as localized stories.[15][16] An external site, todhsalS, has reported selected stories published on Slashdot Japan in English since March 1, 2009.[17] On Valentine's Day 2002, founder Rob Malda proposed to longtime girlfriend Kathleen Fent using the front page of Slashdot.[18][19] They were married on December 8, 2002, in Las Vegas, Nevada.[20] Slashdot implemented a subscription service on March 1, 2002. Slashdot's subscription model works by allowing users to pay a small fee to be able to view pages without banner ads, starting at a rate of $5 per 1,000 page views – non-subscribers may still view articles and respond to comments, with banner ads in place.[21] On March 6, 2003, subscribers were given the ability to see articles 10 to 20 minutes before they are released to the public.[22] Slashdot altered its threaded discussion forum display software to explicitly show domains for links in articles, as "users made a sport out of tricking unsuspecting readers into visiting [Goatse.cx]."[23] April Fools' Day 2006 logo In observance of April Fools' Day (April 1) in 2006, Slashdot temporarily changed its signature teal color theme to a warm palette of bubblegum pink and changed its masthead from the usual, "News for Nerds" motto to, "OMG!!! Ponies!!!" Editors joked that this was done to increase female readership.[24] In another supposed April Fools' Day joke, User Achievement tags were introduced on April 1, 2009.[25] This system allowed users to be tagged with various achievements, such as "The Tagger" for tagging a story or "Member of the {1,2,3,4,5} Digit UID Club" for having a Slashdot UID consisting of a certain number of digits. While it was posted on April Fools' Day to allow for certain joke achievements, the system is real.[26] Slashdot unveiled its newly redesigned site on June 4, 2006, following a CSS Redesign Competition. The winner of the competition was Alex Bendiken, who built on the initial CSS framework of the site. The new site looks similar to the old one but is more polished with more rounded curves, collapsible menus, and updated fonts.[27] On November 9 that same year, Malda wrote that Slashdot attained 16,777,215 (or 224 1) comments, which broke the database for three hours until the administrators fixed the issue.[28] On January 25, 2011, Malda announced that the site launched its third major redesign in its 13.5-year history, which gutted the HTML and CSS, and updated the graphics.[29] On August 25, 2011, Malda announced that he was resigning as Editor-in-Chief of Slashdot, effective immediately. He did not mention any immediate plans for the future, other than spending more time with his family, catching up on some reading, and possibly writing a book.[30][31] His final farewell message received over 1,400 posts within 24 hours on the site.[32] On December 7, 2011, Slashdot announced that it would start to push what the company described as "sponsored" Ask Slashdot questions.[33] On March 28, 2012, Slashdot announced the launch of slashdot TV.[34] In September 2012, it was announced that Slashdot had been acquired by Dice Holdings, alongside other Geeknet websites including SourceForge and Freecode, for $20 million in cash.[2][35] Dice, owner of job listing and career websites, stated that there were no plans for major changes to Slashdot.[35] However, beginning October 1, 2013, the site is currently in "beta" for a new, controversial redesign that looks more like typical blog websites with the once elaborate comment system now replaced with a simpler one at the end.[36] Administration[edit] Team[edit] Rob Malda, Founder of Slashdot The site is owned by Dice Holdings. It was run by its founder, Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda, from 1998 until 2011. He shared editorial responsibilities with several other editors including Timothy Lord, Patrick "Scuttlemonkey" McGarry, Jeff "Soulskill" Boehm, Rob "Samzenpus" Rozeboom, and Keith Dawson.[37][38] Jonathan "cowboyneal" Pater is another popular editor of Slashdot, who came to work for Slashdot as a programmer and systems administrator. His online nickname (handle), CowboyNeal, is inspired by a Grateful Dead tribute to Neal Cassady in their song, "That’s It for the Other One". He is best known as the target of the usual comic poll option,[39] a tradition started by Chris DiBona.[40] Slash and peer moderation[edit] The administration of the site uses the Slash source code and database, a content management system available under the GNU General Public License.[41] Slashdot's editors are primarily responsible for selecting and editing the primary stories daily from submitters; they provide a one-paragraph summary for each and a link to an external site where the story originated. Each story becomes the topic for a threaded discussion among the site's users.[42] A user-based moderation system is employed to filter out abusive comments.[43] Every comment is initially given a score of -1 to +2, with a default score of +1 for registered users, 0 for anonymous users (Anonymous Coward), +2 for users with high "karma", or 1 for users with low "karma". As moderators read comments attached to articles, they click to moderate the comment, either up (+1) or down (1). Moderators may choose to attach a particular descriptor to the comments as well, such as normal, offtopic, flamebait, troll, redundant, insightful, interesting, informative, funny, overrated, or underrated, with each corresponding to a -1 or +1 rating. So a comment may be seen to have a rating of "+1 insightful" or "-1 troll".[38] Moderation points add to a user's karma, and users with high "karma" are eligible to become moderators themselves. The system does not promote regular users as "moderators" and instead assigns five moderation points at a time to users based on the number of comments they have entered in the system – once a user's moderation points are used up, they can no longer moderate articles (though they can be assigned more moderation points at a later date). Paid staff editors have an unlimited number of moderation points.[38][42][44] A given comment can have any integer score from -1 to +5, and registered users of Slashdot can set a personal threshold so that no comments with a lesser score are displayed.[42][44] For instance, a user reading Slashdot at level +5 will only see the highest rated comments, while a user reading at level -1 will see a more "unfiltered, anarchic version".[38] A meta-moderation system was implemented on September 7, 1999,[45] to moderate the moderators and help contain abuses in the moderation system. Meta-moderators are presented with a set of moderations that they may rate as either fair or unfair. For each moderation, the meta-moderator sees the original comment and the reason assigned by the moderator (e.g. troll, funny), and the meta-moderator can click to see the context of comments surrounding the one that was moderated.[42][44] Features[edit] Slashdot features discussion forums on a variety of technology- and science-related topics, or "News for Nerds", as its motto states. Articles are divided into the following sections:[46] Apple – news related to products from Apple Inc., such as Mac OS X or iPhone. Ask Slashdot – articles that seek advice from users about jobs, computer hardware, software glitches, philosophical problems, or more. Book Reviews – original book reviews on (not necessarily) tech books. BSD – news about the various modern versions of UNIX derived from the UCB distribution. Developers – news about software or programming. Features – original, feature-length articles. Games – gaming news. Geeks in Space – a web audio broadcast featuring several of the editors of Slashdot (outdated; no new episodes have been posted recently). Idle – miscellaneous and humorous articles, pictures, and videos. Interviews – interviews with various people related to science and technology. Information Technology (IT) – anything that people with "Information Technology" in their job description might be interested to know. Linux – news specific to the Linux operating system (any variant or distribution). Politics – news typically relevant to politics of the United States, but occasionally featuring international political news. It was originally created to cover the 2004 United States Presidential Election. Polls – a poll is usually run on the site in the right-hand margin, asking users their choice on a variety of topics. In the earlier years of the site, one of the options that could be selected was CowboyNeal, the handle of Jonathan Pater, an administrator of the site. This became known as the CowboyNeal option.[47] During the summer of 2005, he stopped being in charge of the polls, and as a result the CowboyNeal option all but disappeared. Science – news on science-related topics (e.g. cool technology, space telescope observations, interesting medical research). Your Rights Online (YRO) – news on topics pertaining to internet privacy and digital rights. Tags[edit] Slashdot uses a system of "tags" where users can categorize a story to group them together and sorting them. Tags are written in all lowercase, with no spaces, and limited to 64 characters. For example, articles could be tagged as being about security or mozilla. Some articles are tagged with longer tags, such as whatcouldpossiblygowrong (expressing the perception of catastrophic risk), suddenoutbreakofcommonsense (used when the community feels that the subject has finally figured out something obvious), correlationnotcausation (used when scientific articles lack direct evidence; see correlation does not imply causation), or getyourasstomars (commonly seen in articles about Mars or space exploration).[48][49] Culture[edit] Tux, the Linux Penguin See also: Internet meme and List of Internet phenomena As an online community with primarily user-generated content, many in-jokes and internet memes have developed over the course of the site's history. A popular meme (based on an unscientific Slashdot user poll[50]) is, "In Soviet Russia, noun verb you!"[51] The phrase was actually originated by Ukrainian-born comedian Yakov Smirnoff as his famous Russian reversal – "In America, you can always find a party. In Soviet Russia, The Party can always find you!"[52] Other popular memes usually pertain to computing or technology, such as "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these",[53] "But does it run Linux?",[54] or "Netcraft now confirms: BSD (or some other software package or item) is dying."[55] Some users will also refer to seemingly innocent remarks by correcting them and adding "you insensitive clod!" to the statement – a reference to a February 14, 1986, Calvin & Hobbes cartoon[56] or the 11th season The Simpsons episode, Last Tap Dance in Springfield, wherein Frink exclaims to Homer, "I was merely trying to spare the girl's feelings, you insensitive clod!" Users will also typically refer to articles referring to data storage and data capacity by inquiring how much it is in units of Libraries of Congress.[57] Slashdotters often use the abbreviation TFA which stands for The fucking article or RTFA (Read the fucking article), which itself is derived from the abbreviation RTFM.[58] Usage of this abbreviation often exposes comments from posters who have not read the article linked to in the main story. Slashdotters typically like to mock United States Senator Ted Stevens' 2006 description of the Internet as a "series of tubes"[59][60] or Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer's chair-throwing incident from 2005.[61][62] Microsoft founder Bill Gates is a popular target of jokes by Slashdotters, and all stories about Microsoft were once identified with a graphic of Gates looking like a Borg from Star Trek: The Next Generation.[63] Many Slashdotters have long talked about the supposed release of Duke Nukem Forever, which was promised in 1997 but was delayed indefinitely (the game was eventually released in 2011).[64] References to the game are commonly brought up in other articles about software packages that are not yet in production even though the announced delivery date has long passed (see vaporware). Having a low Slashdot user identifier (user ID) is highly valued since they are assigned sequentially; having one is a sign that someone has an older account and has contributed to the site longer. For Slashdot's 10-year anniversary in 2007, one of the items auctioned off in the charity auction for the Electronic Frontier Foundation was a 3-digit Slashdot user ID.[26][65] Traffic and publicity[edit] See also: Slashdot effect As of 2006, Slashdot had approximately 5.5 million users per month. As of January 2013, the site's Alexa rank is 2,000, with the average user spending 3 minutes and 18 seconds per day on the site and 82,665 sites linking in.[1] The primary stories on the site consist of a short synopsis paragraph, a link to the original story, and a lengthy discussion section, all contributed by users. Discussion on stories can get up to 10,000 posts per day. Slashdot has been considered a pioneer in user-driven content, influencing other sites such as Google News and Wikipedia.[66][67] There has been a dip in readership as of 2011, primarily due to the increase of technology-related blogs and Twitter feeds.[68] In 2002, approximately 50% of Slashdot's traffic consisted of people who simply check out the headlines and click through, while others participate in discussion boards and take part in the community.[69] Many links in Slashdot stories caused the linked site to get swamped by heavy traffic and its server to collapse. This is known as the "Slashdot effect",[66][69] a term which was first coined on February 15, 1999 that refers to an article about a "new generation of niche Web portals driving unprecedented amounts of traffic to sites of interest".[67][70] Today, most major websites can handle the surge of traffic, but the effect continues to occur on smaller or independent sites.[71] These sites are then said to have been Slashdotted. Slashdot has received over twenty awards, including People's Voice Awards in 2000 in both of the categories for which it was nominated (Best Community Site and Best News Site).[72] It was also voted as one of Newsweek's favorite technology Web sites and rated in Yahoo!'s Top 100 Web sites as the "Best Geek Hangout" (2001).[73] The main antagonists in the 2004 novel Century Rain, by Alastair Reynolds – The Slashers – are named after Slashdot users.[74] The site was mentioned briefly in the 2000 novel Cosmonaut Keep, written by Ken MacLeod.[75] Several celebrities have stated that they either checked the website regularly or participated in its discussion forums using an account. Some of these celebrities include: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak,[76] writer and actor Wil Wheaton,[77] and id Software technical director John Carmack.[78] I posted this to see what it would look like on the beta website.. Can you see this? I can't. What is wrong? Is this why they call it beta? I hope someone will be able to fix this because I am not happy it is not working. Maybe after the beta test is over it will work. It sure doesn't work now. I am getting even sadder. PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!

It's a Solved Problem you damn dirty apes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177413)

All we need is a Standard Standard Description Format. A simple binary form that can describe a data exchange format. Given that we've invented Turing machines, and Von Neumann machines and they can describe any other calculation (including virtualizations of themselves). So, this problem is thoroughly solved. There are only a few signal encoding systems, so all the radios need is to be on the same channel momentarily and they could be able to automatically negotiate data exchange and protocol discovery. Even spread spectrum channel skipping could be automatically discovered and described.

You have the capability, this will be the solution, yet it remain science fiction. It's only a matter of time... Who wants to be a billionaire? All you have to do is hook a Turing Complete VM opcode standard to a radio. Come on you masticatory respirating troglodytes. You think we put the universal translator idea in your culture for you not to make it a reality? Hurry the frack up and solve the gods damned Fermi Paradox.

Screw the directives, I need a vacation.

Re:It's a Solved Problem you damn dirty apes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177457)

The only important today is how much Slashbeta sucks. This type of story related discussion is no longer welcome

DOWN WITH BETA

BETA Boycott 2/7/2014 (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 9 months ago | (#46177447)

If you hate Beta, DO NOT VISIT Slashdot on 2/7!!

How you you show them Beta sucks? You drop their ad impressions!
Keep Classic/Fix Beta, or we walk.

Don't bother (1)

pr0ntab (632466) | about 9 months ago | (#46177539)

As has been mentioned elsewhere, Dice is getting almost no ad revenue from slashdot because most of the users either don't click on ads or use adblock (complete write-off for FY13). So not visiting the site just reduces the site load and saves them a little bit of operating cost.

R.I.P. /. (1997-2014) (1)

neo-mkrey (948389) | about 9 months ago | (#46177537)

Sad, really.

What's so bad about beta? (1)

Michael O-P (31524) | about 9 months ago | (#46177545)

Perhaps I don't visit Slashdot as much as I used to, but I just looked at the site through beta to see what the fuss is about. Perhaps my eyes don't move in the right way, but is it the additional ads that I ignore on the right-hand side? I'm not defending beta, I'm just asking for additional education about what makes it so bad other than being different.

The standard Wars and Slashdot Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177611)

Why has Dice.com declared war on its users?

Classic redirecting to Beta: yuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46177623)

Several times this morning classic.slashdot.org has redirected to beta.slashdot.org, which sucks! Are they pulling the plug on classic? If so, bye bye.

A sad day (5, Insightful)

wjwlsn (94460) | about 9 months ago | (#46177635)

I'm not sure how long I've been on Slashdot... at least 10 or 11 years, I guess. It's been a continuous source of enjoyment for me, even though I've never been a particularly active user. Oh, I comment every now and then, I moderate and meta-moderate occasionally, and I may have even tried submitting a story or two at some point (I honestly don't remember). There have been periods when I left Slashdot for some time, when something else really caught my interest and monopolized my attention, but I always came back. I felt like I was part of a persistent community that would last.

Now, the previously unthinkable may happen... I may leave and never come back. Beta is that bad. I hate the way it looks, the way it works, and how it will affect all the things I love about Slashdot.

This is really sad. I never thought I would feel this way about a website. I used to enjoy segfault back in the day, and I remember feeling that loss pretty keenly. The loss of slashdot will be infinitely worse. I hope it won't happen, but I fear that it will.

Please, please, please... if anyone at Dice is listening... don't kill my Slashdot.

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