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Ars Technica Reviews Leaked Windows 8.1 Update

timothy posted about a year ago | from the you-take-what-you-can-get dept.

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SternisheFan writes to note that ArsTechnica's Peter Bright has reviewed the leaked Windows 8.1 update that was temporarily available from Microsoft's own servers. Here's how the article starts: "Leaks of upcoming versions of Microsoft's software are nothing new, but it's a little surprising when the source is Microsoft itself. The Spring update to Windows 8.1, known as Update 1, was briefly available from Windows Update earlier this week. The update wasn't a free-for-all. To get Windows Update to install it, you had to create a special (undocumented, secret) registry key to indicate that you were in a particular testing group; only then were the updates displayed and downloadable. After news of this spread, Microsoft removed the hefty—700MB—update from its servers, but not before it had spread across all manner of file-sharing sites... Just because it was distributed by Windows Update doesn't mean that this is, necessarily, the final build, but it does present a good opportunity to see what Microsoft is actually planning to deliver."

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Nobody cares (5, Funny)

JoeyRox (2711699) | about a year ago | (#46436461)

Microsoft could give Windows 8 away for free and tie a $100 bill to every DVD and people would use the DVD as a beer coaster and the $100 to buy an Android tablet.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436481)

Microsoft could give Windows 8 away for free and tie a $100 bill to every DVD and people would use the DVD as a beer coaster and the $100 to buy an Android tablet.

No, we'd use the $100 to buy beer for the new coaster.

Re:Nobody cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436553)

40 weed 40 beer fried chicken

Re:Nobody cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437059)

you forgot the purple drank

Re:Nobody cares (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436483)

Some M$ hate already. Who would have though. How insightful of you.

Re:Nobody cares (5, Insightful)

Calydor (739835) | about a year ago | (#46436507)

Seems to me it's more hate for Windows 8 than it's hate for Microsoft.

Re:Nobody cares (5, Informative)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#46436557)

That's the real point. I use Windows 7 and it's actually ok. I had Win8 on one of several machines, and after struggling with it for months, finally installed Windows 7 Pro and called it good. They can call it Microsoft Hate if they want (which is really the geek equivalent of hollering "racism") but it's really Windows 8 that sucks.

Re:Nobody cares (5, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year ago | (#46436621)

I have extended family members. One daughter got a new Windows 8 tablet/ultrabook Lenovo hybrids for Christmas and loves it. She brings it out in the island in the kitchen to browse facebook, do homework with MS Word, etc. Her mom grabbed it for recipes, they used it for skype more relatives, her brother kept fighting to use it for things.

I mentioned how HORRIBLE ITS UI was and offered to put Windows 7 on. They looked at me like EWW that GUI is for old people that doesn't run applets.

Like the EEE it is super portable.

The issue us geeks need to use muscle memory to relearn something and we used to laugh at those who could not adopt to change. Now the joke is on us.

The millennials like their apps, tiny sizes, portability, long battery life, etc.

Windows 9 will be a refined balanced UI. Tile applets on a Windows 7 desktop if you plug in the keyboard and mouse (mouse-first UI) if rumors are true. MS nees an answer to iOS and Android with battery life, smooth graphics acceleration, and applets. It is NOT GOING AWAY.

Re:Nobody cares (2, Interesting)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#46436701)

It's possible (billly gates??) that this is a joke and it's gone zoom! right over my head. But assuming for a moment it's legit:

Yeah, sorry, that's a made-up story. Test by: (1) the great majority hate Windows 8 as you're well aware. The story of people loving 8 is usually some kid who just can't put it down, and how it's old fogeys who can't move with the times who want their start button back. That story is getting old. (2) "Windows 9 will be a refined balanced UI" etc etc, something that neither you nor any non-Microsoft person could know.

8 is a disaster. 9 might be more or less of a disaster -- it's too early to tell. With Ballmer gone, I have hopes that Microsoft will do the right thing, but like any of us here I don't have any knowledge for or against.

Re:Nobody cares (4, Interesting)

Idimmu Xul (204345) | about a year ago | (#46436877)

my very non technical mate got a sony vaio flip thing 10 days or so ago with windows 8 installed. he LOVES it, despite complaining non stop, it also auto updated itself this week, i think to 8.1, he certainly didnt do any registry hacks but had a text rendering issue with chrome that is apparently an issue caused by 8.1?

ive had a play and i dont really see the problem, sure its a bit different but its not a world ending calamity, i do prefer my mac tho

Re:Nobody cares (2)

davester666 (731373) | about a year ago | (#46437071)

for me, it's that I fired it up, and a whole bunch of relatively important functionality is hidden. There is no real visual indication that "if you have the mouse in this corner, a bunch of options you probably want to use, will appear".

It's like they saw Apple's Dock, and that it could be hidden, and said, let's use that UI, only it will default to be hidden, and we won't tell the user about it. It's like a game of "Where's Waldo", only with basic Windows functions.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year ago | (#46437523)

There's a difference between Win8.1 and 8.1 pack 1, anyone with Win8 can get 8.1 for free.

Re:Nobody cares (0)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year ago | (#46436947)

We tend to base our reality on those around us and as humans we associate in groups who share similiar beliefs (slashdot.org pro linux anti MS, geek stuff, etc) which alter our viewpoints. It doesn't mean that those who disagree do not exist.

When making Planet of the Apes those in the gorrilas, chimpanzees, and others ended sitting in groups during lunch. They were not told too. Human psychology with group idenitty played into this at a subconcious level. I find it very interesting. ... back to the viewpoint I am not a Metro Tile Lover AT ALL. Many on www.neowin.net love Metro and it is similiar to slashdot but is very pro MS. There is a strong 1/3 minority who hate Metro there too like slashdot but love other MS stuff give or take and fights in comment sections between the 2 groups pop up.

I agree the Windows 7 desktop and Gnome 2 are better for me and those who do real work with lots of apps everywhere. Not applets. However, the younger crowd is used to cell phones during brain development so using an app and having 1 or two applets at a time feels comfortable.

I also agree Windows 8 IS A DISASTER. It is not that Modern/Metro is bad to me. It was not implemented correctly and rushed to beat Apple. But that doesn't mean we should not welcome changes like booting to desktop back or hate all applets on the desktop if the desktop is actually returned and no closed door syndrome shit. After all we own Androids and iPhones and do not freak out each time we use them right?

The younger crowd likes portability and touch. My example of my niece is that. She had 0 problems and has used XP on her parents computer before. She was happy got Metro and her brain was able to learn and even feel comfortable with it immediately. This generation are now just entering the workforce while the baby boomers are out or will be in the next 10 years. We will go in upper management or start companies or just mingle with this new group but they will be buying computers and influence corporate decision making more and more.

Yes the rumors about mouse-first, voice-first, and touch-first were from neowin.net. Microsoft employees mentioned this. In 1 month we shall see at the BUILD conference if this is true. I use that site as well. Been accused of being a shill for Linux on that :-)

I get flamed on both sides but I do not like being closed mined and missing something. I was one of those who brushed off the web and refused to learn development on it as HTML was just that. It wasn't real programming etc. I regret that choice.

While I am keeping Windows 7 and CentOS for now and ignore ubuntu and Windows 8 it does not mean I am set and will turn into an XP luddite and not update for 12 years and then go in a rampant rage when forced too. Windows 9 and Linux mint maybe on my next computer in about a year to a year and a half from now.

Re:Nobody cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436987)

You mean made up like the twice weekly /. "my grandmother uses SELinux and LOVES IT" articles?

Re:Nobody cares (5, Funny)

thegarbz (1787294) | about a year ago | (#46436751)

Bill Gates? Is that really you?

Only a few weeks ago you were having no end of problems [newyorker.com] with Windows 8.

Re:Nobody cares (4, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | about a year ago | (#46436765)

Most of what you wrote is typical shill-chow, but I want to stomp this one tidbit in the bud:

The issue us geeks need to use muscle memory to relearn something and we used to laugh at those who could not adopt to change. Now the joke is on us.

Now this is funny, because I find myself learning new GUIs on a very regular basis (the latest? This month is all about learning VMWare vCloud Automation Center. A few months ago, it was all about Cisco UCS Manager.)

I also know the Metro GUI very well - and I've discovered something: I really, really detest computing-by-easter-egg.

Mind you, it's 500x worse with having to use that stupid wasteful GUI on a server. (Yes, I know all about the mantra of "OMG use PowerShell and Core!!!111!!" but we both know that's bullshit, nobody does it on any serious scale, and it completely guts the Microsoftie argument of "OMG you have to use a command prompt in Leenux!!111!!" - but I digress.)

Point is, many of us who detest that abortion of a UI have already had to work with it, we know it, and we think it still sucks in spite of knowing it.

If some of the ordinary user crowd loves it, hey - well and good. Thing is, the majority does not, and for good reason.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

JDeane (1402533) | about a year ago | (#46436833)

"Windows 9 will be a refined balanced UI. Tile applets on a Windows 7 desktop if you plug in the keyboard and mouse (mouse-first UI) if rumors are true. MS nees an answer to iOS and Android with battery life, smooth graphics acceleration, and applets. It is NOT GOING AWAY."

Honestly if Metro doesn't go away, I will... lol

Away to Linux or Android...

That will be a while though as they will have to pry Windows 7 from my cold dead hands.

It's pretty sad, I do love me some Windows and I have been using it for a long long time since the 3.11 days, I even liked Windows ME. But I just can't love Windows 8 and it's abomination of a UI. I can't count how many times I have installed Classic Shell in Windows 8 machines because the owners couldn't stand Metro.

http://www.classicshell.net/ [classicshell.net]

I am sure it is fantastic on a tablet though? I have an Android tablet so yeah.... I am already in the process of ditching Windows :( If my PC didn't function as my home server and general PC work, I would probably be trying to figure out some way to go Android PC right now.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

Dutch Gun (899105) | about a year ago | (#46437497)

Honestly if Metro doesn't go away, I will... lol

Away to Linux or Android...

That will be a while though as they will have to pry Windows 7 from my cold dead hands.

It's pretty sad, I do love me some Windows and I have been using it for a long long time since the 3.11 days, I even liked Windows ME. But I just can't love Windows 8 and it's abomination of a UI. I can't count how many times I have installed Classic Shell in Windows 8 machines because the owners couldn't stand Metro.

http://www.classicshell.net/ [classicshell.net]

I am sure it is fantastic on a tablet though? I have an Android tablet so yeah.... I am already in the process of ditching Windows :( If my PC didn't function as my home server and general PC work, I would probably be trying to figure out some way to go Android PC right now.

Yeah, I could have written this. I've heard arguments that "oh, you W8 haters just don't like change". True, people are generally resistant to change, but I don't think I necessarily reject all change out of hand. I liked the Vista-style Aero visual improvements (never cared for XP's look), although the OS performed poorly and had lots of small problems. I did like the improvements to the task bar in Windows 7 as well. I thought the Ribbon interface in Office was a necessary and fairly bold step in UI innovation. Power users tended to dislike it because it was such a radical change, which is understandable, but I think the products are more accessible and much easier to learn now.

But Windows 8 feels so utterly broken to me. I don't even hate the idea of metro apps - I think they could have been pretty cool if they had been more seamless integrated with the more classic desktop (leaving the full screen mode for the devices where it makes sense). There was no need to foist a full screen app launcher on the desktop user, especially since it has such a hard time figuring out what even the relevant "apps" to launch are (pulling in uninstall icons, documentation links, dozens of small and rarely used utilities, etc), and the usefulness of an actual hierarchy to keep things organized and tidy was completely smashed in favor of a paradigm designed to favor the simplistic requirements of tablets and smartphones.

So, no, I'm not resistant to change. I'm just resistant to change for the worse. And yeah, I'm going to be sticking with Windows 7 for while unless MS figures out a way to make some pretty significant improvements for the desktop user.

Re:Nobody cares (5, Informative)

Technician (215283) | about a year ago | (#46436909)

As an older guy who has received an Unltrabook recently, and trying do do production work instead of consuming media, I had some issues. Installing older paralell port printers attached to my LAN via Trendnet or other devices proved to be very difficult. Visiting the manufacture of the printers for updated drivers was a total failure. As mentioned, there is a learning curve. To get the drivers, you have to use Windows Update instead. Trying to sort a list of files proved difficut too. A long list has the traditional scroll bars on the right just where you expect them. Dragging the bar does scroll the list, but at the top and bottom are the two buttons which also used to scroll the list without dragging, usefull if you only want to scroll small distances in a long list. Unfortunately in Windows 8 they are only decorations with no function. You either need a touch screen to scroll the list, or highlight a file and arrow up/down through the list, which defeats picking multiple files for copy by Control Click. A small wiggle on a extended list can scroll it by several hundred items making picking files difficult.

Maybe there is a trick to this I haven't learned other than drag drop each by itself..

The touch screen is not the preferred method of picking files from a list. My fingers are about 5 lines tall. A mouse is a much better and precise way to do fine motor skills. Photo editing suffers the interface issue too.

I tried to burn some CD's from a band I recorded. Windows 8 had a serious issue with my external USB DVD drive. Using Windows Media Player had no problem burning ONE disk. The media player on the left side properly identified if the drive contained a music CD, Data CD, or Blank CD. The information IS NOT passed to the right side which stubbornly recommended I insert a Blank CD before I could burn another. I went back to a Windows 7 machine which did properly recognise blank disks in the right side. Too bad they didn't keep Windows 7 functionality in the Window 8 Media Player.

In a nutshell, don't ditch your other machines when you get a Windows 8 machine. You may need the older machines to do older tech stuff like burning CD's, sorting photos, editing audio tracks, editing photos, etc. The Windows 8 machine is a great Facebook, Skype, social media and connected machine, but for production, keep your other hardware.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year ago | (#46436973)

I was going to say this update fixes this and puts the functionality including booting to desktop back in. Do not know about burning CD's.

What this tells mere weeks away from BUILD where Windows 9 will be demo'd is that MS is backtracking for desktop users.

I still use Windows7 as I am not ready to switch but at least desktop users are being acknowledged.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

Nimey (114278) | about a year ago | (#46437681)

In all seriousness, it's past time to retire your old parallel-port printers. Those USB adapters are bandaids and don't work well to begin with no matter what operating system you're using.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

King_TJ (85913) | about a year ago | (#46437027)

I agree with your observations, but not with you conclusions.

It's true that, especially for touch-screen capable devices, Windows 8 satisfies the casual user and less computer-savvy. The only reason these people find it usable is the ease of which one can launch a basic selection of apps from the Metro UI. It's like having a big program launcher / menu system bolted onto the front of everything.

The millennials are pretty fixated on "cloud based services and apps" right now. You could give them a modern day dumb terminal with good web surfing capabilities and all of the popular sites made into icons and they'd be happy. (Well, you might have to make it run MS Word and Excel too, since they typically learned those programs in school and don't like the web-based alternatives so much.)

Your suggestion of using Windows 7 instead and the response that it's "for old people" sounds like the dismissive behavior I'd get from our pre-teen kids... but doesn't mean the entire face of computing has changed.

People who actually want to do real work with a computer aren't exactly praising the Windows 8 UI as the future. Microsoft is trying really hard to sell it that way, but it's struggling. The whole Nokia merger and the in-fighting surrounding it indicates MS is a company desperate to find other revenue streams. Basically, it doesn't really believe in Windows 8 itself -- so it wants to bolster it by retaining some leverage in the mobile phone space.

I may be one of those geeks who "used to laugh at those who refused to adapt to change", but back then, the changes were truly innovative leaps forward. When you tried to get people using MS-DOS to move to a GUI environment that supported multi-tasking, automatic support for all of the RAM in the machine, cross-application support for printers and audio devices and SO much more, it was a leap worth taking. When I compare Windows 8 to Apple's approach with OS X for desktops and iOS for smaller devices, the Apple method makes a lot more sense to me. Win 8 isn't really giving me back anything that makes it worth re-learning where they hid all of the settings and options.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

petermgreen (876956) | about a year ago | (#46437835)

"When I compare Windows 8 to Apple's approach with OS X for desktops and iOS for smaller devices, the Apple method makes a lot more sense to me."
IMO you can see computing portability as a spectrum, at one end you have the desktop (highly capable, not portable at all), at the other you have the smartphone (highly portable but very restricted capabilities). In between you have a whole plethora of devices of different prices, capabilites and levels of portability.

Apples soloution is to draw the line between tablets and laptops. Tablets get treated like smartphones, laptops get treated like desktops. Google also puts their smartphone OS on tablets (and doesn't really play significantly in the desktop or laptop space). Treating tablets like smartphones certainly has it's merits but it means you often end up carrying two devices, a tablet for media consumption and use on the go and a laptop for when you need to sit down somewhere and work. MS is weak in the smartphone market and by making a smartphone-like tablet they would be setting themselves up to be equally weak in the tablet market but by making a tablet system that can turn into a laptop by plugging in a keyboard unit they have a unique selling point that the other tablet OS vendors don't.

I think they are realising that throwing desktop/laptop users under the bus to support their tablet vision was a bad idea and I hope they can come up with a soloution that satisfies both. The general impression I get is that 8.1 is not as bad for desktop use as 8 but it's still widely considered to be inferior to earlier versions in that environment.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about a year ago | (#46437077)

They looked at me like EWW that GUI is for old people that doesn't run applets.

Like the EEE it is super portable.

The issue us geeks need to use muscle memory to relearn something and we used to laugh at those who could not adopt to change. Now the joke is on us.

Yes, the joke is on us when "Wahhhh! My computer isn't working - fix it! FIX IT!" OMG I can't get to Facebook and Twitter"

"Sorry honey, I don't do system 8. " I relish the day when that joke is on me. "Fix your own computer smart trendy person who can adopt to change!" Looks like you're going to adapt to learning your own trendy computer".

You are quite simply wrong. Thinking that W8 hate is an inability to adapt to change is silly. It's like bringing out the Pontiac Aztek, and saying "This is the future of automobiles, and if you don't like it you're stupid. If you don't think the Aztek is the most beautiful car ever made, you must be blind". Um hum.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about a year ago | (#46437095)

you have told her its a Windows tablet and not an iPad, right?

See the millenials don't want the old desktop UIs - fair enough - but then they don't care that its Microsoft either. I think its more us oldies who care that it runs Word, the kids will just fire up whatever app there is that does the equivalent and use that, assuming they even bother to use an app and not some web page instead.

Re:Nobody cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437133)

Her mom grabbed it for recipes

This actually happens? I thought that was just one of those boilerplate "reasons" for getting a computer. Back when the Apple II and the Commodore 64 roamed the earth, any time some regular person asked "why in the world would I want a computer in my home?" One of the stock answers was "Um....you could keep your recipes on it."

Re:Nobody cares (1)

Waccoon (1186667) | about a year ago | (#46437163)

In the 20 years I've been using computers, the only people I've ever heard say, "That computer is for old people" are fellow geeks.

Re:Nobody cares (1, Informative)

rtb61 (674572) | about a year ago | (#46437447)

So your argument is M$ is going for the computer dummies and quite basically fuck the power users. Why be fucking asshats, why not a second interface, seriously fuck M$ and their desire to force a 'PHONE' interface on the desktop in some crazy fuckarse scheme to force people to become accustomed to windows phones and the buy them like mindless idiots.

Re:Nobody cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437453)

paid schill

Re:Nobody cares (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#46437527)

Yeah, that basically mirrors my experience with windows 8. My brother loves it. I can't figure out why.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#46437537)

My theory is that on a laptop, touchscreen isn't so bad. But on a desktop, it's somewhat unusable.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

Parker Lewis (999165) | about a year ago | (#46437561)

Sounds like that "happy family" TV announces, usually from Nintendo.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

auzy (680819) | about a year ago | (#46436755)


And its big things which makes Windows 8 sucky, such as the lack of easy ad-hoc connections. Nobody has been using this for wireless anyway, but, some wireless devices require adhoc for initial configuration (such as the Global Cache Wireless products). There is no real legitimate reason to remove this.

Whats even more concerning is that during testing, Microsoft didn't realise that people would require google to find the power-off button. Whilst this is finally being fixed, usability problems such as this should have been identified during testing (whenever I'm onsite and I see someone with a new Windows 8 laptop, I tell them where the power button is, and 99% of the time, they always wondered, but never knew for sure).

Re:Nobody cares (3, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | about a year ago | (#46436847)

I have a friend with an Asus Transformer hybrid and he likes Windows 8, but it's also exactly the kind of device it's designed for. The hate comes from trying to force everyone down that road, I mean if you big non-touch monitors then you don't want the tablet interface. I don't want to use it at work. I don't want to use it on my gaming/workstation rig. I might want to use it on an alternative to having an iPad or Android tablet. Sadly Microsoft knows they can totally ignore that market and it's not going anywhere. No, really it's not. Most of the "heavy" users are so stuck with Windows-only thick clients it'll take ages to migrate to something else. See Vista, it sucked donkey balls. Did users leave the Windows platform? Largely no. I left Windows in favor of Linux for 3.5 years and came back to Windows 7.

I hate to say it to geeks but if you look at Microsoft's stock performance they're still making money hand over fist despite what geeks think about Win8. They're not hurting. They're not failing. We hate them but Apple has largely abandoned the professional market (one trashcan design swallow does not a summer make) and Linux well I probably don't need to tell you about the current holy wars between Unity and Gnome 3.0 and KDE and whatnot chasing the tablet, nobody is taking charge to kill Microsoft on the desktop. I don't understand why everybody is leaping after the next big thing, it also means the competition will be intense. Why not try to outflank your competition or hit them in the rear in the markets they mostly ignore? When giants clash it's best not to be an ant with delusions of grandeur, you're likely to get stomped.

Re:Nobody cares (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437005)

I use Windows 8.1 daily, and 99.9% of the time I use it exactly like Windows 7. The other 0.1% is searching the start menu/screen for apps I don't have pinned to my task bar. And searching is alot faster than in Windows 7.

If you can't use Windows 8, the problem is with you.

Re:Nobody cares (0)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about a year ago | (#46437193)

I am typing this on an 8" Windows 8.1 tablet. It cost about the same as an equivalent 8" Android tablet. It has an Intel quad core processor (x86).

It runs any real x86 Intel software I care to install, and also the Win Store apps. There are many fewer of them (apps) than in the iTunes or Play store, but I also haven't seen any Fart apps. The big MSM news outfits all have apps, and most of them seem nicer than the Android/iOS equivalents.

You're kidding yourself if you think Windows is just going to die, dry up and go away. I don't know yet whether Windows is going to kill Android or iOS on tablets, but it likely will kill one of the two.

Apple needs to grow a pair and quit with the iOS/OSX divide. This tablet, even just an 8" one, demonstrates to me that it's plain nuts to have a crippled cellphone OS on a tablet.

A bunch of people reading this will vigorously disagree. So be it. Everybody else: stay open to the future.

Re:Nobody cares (3)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year ago | (#46437339)

I am... A future where MS is driven out of the consumer market.

Re:Nobody cares (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437359)

it's plain nuts to have a crippled cellphone OS on a tablet.

That's why Android is expanding to desktop computers. It's more capable in both roles than Windows 8, and less prone to infection and failure.

Android is all maximized all the time (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#46437647)

That's why Android is expanding to desktop computers. It's more capable in both roles than Windows 8

Let me know when Android can even put two windows on the screen. RIght now, only select apps for select Samsung devices can do that. Unless an app uses a multi-window mode flag in its XML manifest, it's allowed to assume that the screen size will never change after installation, and only Samsung devices honor that flag. Use a non-Samsung device or an app by someone who doesn't have a Samsung device on which to test, and it's all maximized all the time. At least Windows 8/8.1 (x86 and x86-64) can go back to the desktop and its overlapping and snapped window management models.

Re:Android is all maximized all the time (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437735)

Let me know when Android can even put two windows on the screen.

2012 called and wants its ignorance back.

http://liliputing.com/2013/09/... [liliputing.com]

Re:Nobody cares (1)

basecastula (2556196) | about a year ago | (#46437203)

I feel the same way. It is not like you have to use metro for anything other than search.

Re:Nobody cares (2)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | about a year ago | (#46437427)

Windows 7 was the first version of Windows I actually enjoyed using since Windows 2000. Microsoft lost me when they came out with Windows XP and I switched to Linux. I would never have considered going back to Microsoft, but then Gnome and Unity both tried to force their own vision of Metro on me. I used Windows 7 in the office, and was actually ready to buy a new computer and go back to Windows. But, when I showed up with my money, there were no Windows 7 computers to be had, and I needed a laptop, so I've got Windows 8.

I hate it so much. Every time I click a file and it opens a metro app and obscures the entire screen, I grind my teeth and swear.

But there's just nothing else I could install that has any real critical mass of users that wouldn't suck just as badly.

The technology that used to empower me have been fucked up at every turn by the influence of the advertising and entertainment industries. Sometimes I just want to abandon IT and go be a farmer.

The right way to do mobile computing is glasses and a glove that detects subtle hand gestures. Touch screens covered in fingerprints with buttons you can't distinguish by feel are not an optimal way to do ANYTHING.

When is this stupid fad going to end?

Xubuntu (3)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#46437651)

Gnome and Unity both tried to force their own vision of Metro on me.

When Ubuntu 11.10 started pushing Un(usabil)ity harder, I just did sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and never looked back.

Posted from my Dell Inspiron mini running Xubuntu 12.04 LTS

Re:Nobody cares (2)

Nimey (114278) | about a year ago | (#46437671)

I've been running 8.1 on my work computer since it came out. It's really not bad with Classic Shell installed to give it a sane interface again. I never even see the Start Screen, by choice.

Re:Nobody cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436899)

Just because people prefer windows 7 over windows 8 doesn't mean they hate Microsoft any more or less. Especially less.

Re:Nobody cares (2)

jonwil (467024) | about a year ago | (#46437085)

+1 to this, I have no problems whatsoever with Windows 7 and use it every day as my primary OS. But I wouldn't use Windows 8 even if someone paid me to use it.

Re:Nobody cares (0)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year ago | (#46436589)

Supposedly it boots directly to the desktop if you have a keyboard and mouse plugged in and it adds features from Windows 7 back like power buttons, jumplists, and even tile resizing.

But since I never jumped on the bandwaggon I suppose I do not care one bit. If I was forced with a laptop with Windows 8 only drivers then I would and would love this if I were stuck with Windows.

Newer Atoms and other cheap notebooks are not Windows 7 compatible and you would think they would be!!

Re:Nobody cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436733)

I'm an IT provider and I don't sell Windows 8.anything. I won't put my name on such garbage. I've done a butt load of XP to 7 Pro migrations the last few months, and that will continue for at least several months. I also refuse to recommend Office 2013...so we're either deploying Office 2010 (licenses are getting expensive), or LibreOffice. For most folks, LibreOffice is perfectly fine. I'm think about offering Corel's Word Perfect as a commercial alternative.

All these big legacy software providers are trying to make desktop apps cloud based subscriptions. I believe they want to own/data mine the content created by having it stored "in the cloud." (Possession is 9/10th the law, regardless what the Eula says.) There's a place for cloud based subscription services, and MS Office / Adobe Photoshop et al is not the products that should be deployed in this manner. I refuse to sell either of these containers of crap as viable solutions... which brings me to the next traitor to the industry, the big "D". "D" has been poaching medium to large customers by using registered sales and hardware warranty info to bypass the IT vendor and directly contact customers with the goal of taking over their IT infrastructure from the local provider...by offering very low deals on hardware in exchange for cloud service business, private clouds, hosted vmware/san infrastructure etc. They remind me of another vendor that sold out their partner network in the POS space. These companies like their partners to do all the heavy lifting and build their customer lists, and then they go out and cut the legs from under them by trying to steal the mid and large commercial market consumers from the small IT shops as a thank you for playing.

If you're in the business, make sure you have a better mouse trap that can't be easily duplicated, and strong customer relationships. One of my larger customers gave me the scoop on what was going on, so we altered our hardware deployment plan to utilize a mix of HP and custom builds to meet their needs...saving some money in the process. Two can play at that game. These global elites think everyone is stupid enough to put their critically important data in their "clouds"...many are, but they will soon find out why the price is so cheap when you start seeing well funded competition moving in to your line of business...seemingly out of no where. Just like the Patent Office is used to steal ideas, so too is the cloud being used to steal customer list and business data....only the Chinese could have devised a more effective plan.

Re:Nobody cares (3)

AnonymousCoward1998 (3568819) | about a year ago | (#46436817)

One of my customers says Windows 8 is for people dumb enough to put their "stuff" in the cloud. I'd say that's about right. Lower the intelligence level required and get more data from the consumer. Kind of like dumbing down the curriculum and tests in school, because certain kids don't score well.

Power button. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436503)

As someone who DID spend time looking for how to shut down the first time (alt+f4 to the rescue) I'd booted Win 8, thank you MS for making it more obvious.

The writers idea that you'd just hit the power button is idiotic. I would NOT expect to get an orderly shutdown from that (possibly because that's how I have my "BIOS" configured). If I don't know for sure, I won't do it. I'm going to gamble with my filesystem, am I?

Re:Power button. (4, Informative)

cbhacking (979169) | about a year ago | (#46436537)

Windows Control Panel - Power Options (reachable directly by Start search since Vista, of course) - "Choose what the power buttons do" - "When I press the power button:" [Do Nothing | Sleep | Turn Off]. This is on my desktop which boots from an SSD, so I disabled Hibernate, but normally that would be there too. The default option is Turn Off.

This has been there since *at least* Windows 2000. Congratulations, you're almost 1.5 decades behind the times...

Re:Power button. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436559)

I know it's there, I just don't care. I'm used to restarting and shutting down systems from the cmdline, not searching in the dark for some button.

Re:Power button. (4, Informative)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year ago | (#46436971)

press windows+r for the run prompt
type "shutdown -s -t 0" and it will magically shutdown. Works for all version of Windows since 2000. Maybe earlier NT versions too.
You can use -r to reboot instead of -s
It's pretty much the same as linux, except "-t 0" is equivalent to "now" and -s for shutdown instead of -h for halt

Re:Power button. (1)

Nimey (114278) | about a year ago | (#46437689)

If that's too hard to remember, you can put the command into a file called "halt.bat" or similar, move it to somewhere in your PATH, and then type "halt" in your terminal window.

Re:Power button. (3, Informative)

cbhacking (979169) | about a year ago | (#46436577)

Sorry to self-reply, but a bit more info:
You can also configure the Sleep button (if you have one in hardware, or have one on your keyboard as many users will) and the lid-close action (if you have a laptop). So for example, you can make closing the lid just go quickly to sleep, but taking the time to press a button first cause a full hibernate. It's also very handy to have the power button configured for a (reasonably safe) shutdown; it can be used to get the machine out of various states where the UI is hung so you can't use a normal software shut down, but don't want to hard-kill the machine (which is pretty much never a good idea).

Oh, and every single computer I've seen since I first found this feature also supports press-and-hold on Power to do a hard shutoff anyhow, in case the system is *so* frozen that it can't even turn itself off (or in case there's some process which is continually aborting the shutdown).

Re:Power button. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436609)

If you're arguing with me thinking I'm ignorant, you're wasting your time. "My method" works no matter how the hardware and software is configured, no matter if I need to restart or shutdown, no matter where in the world the computer is physically located, the darkness of the room or how likely it's that I'm going to hit reset instead by mistake.

It's the only way I need to do it, unless it's hard-locked but that's hardly relevant in this discussion.

Re:Power button. (2)

beanpoppa (1305757) | about a year ago | (#46436595)

Well, this might come as a surprise, but not everyone is like you. I very rarely shut down my computer, and I don't want it to go to sleep every time I close the lid to move to a meeting, so I always map my power button to sleep. On the rarer occasions that I do want to shut down or reboot, I hit the Windows key, and the shutdown/reboot options are right there. Just like they have been for almost 1.5 decades, until Microsoft decided to hide it.

"1.5 decades"... who talks like that? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436659)

LOL. You idiot.
I take it you meant "15 years", but perhaps you thought writing "1.5 decades" made you look more 'technical'.

Re:Power button. (2)

cbhacking (979169) | about a year ago | (#46436737)

Cool, good for you. I don't know why the hell you'd map Power to Sleep when I guarantee that your laptop's keyboard already has a Sleep key, but hey, whatever. I wasn't talking to you, though, I was talking to the AC who was complaining that they don't know what happens when they hit the Power button. You obviously do know, so why the fuck talk back at me like I'm trying to tell you how to do things?

Not all laptops have a sleep key (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#46437667)

"Guarantee" is a strong word. A smaller laptop, such as my Dell Inspiron mini 1012, might have no dedicated sleep key. So I configured my laptop's OS to make the power button ask whether I want to suspend, log out, restart, or shut down.

Re:Power button. (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year ago | (#46436993)

"almost 1.5 decades"? Almost 2. August next year will be 20 years since Windows 95 was released.

Re:Power button. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437375)

Get a laptop that doesn't suck, and you won't give a shit if it goes to sleep or not. With a modern SSD and a decent OS, the computer has woken up before you've even completely opened the lid.

Re:Power button. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436703)

Here's the issue: Everyone can configure it differently.

And for many geeks, we end up being tech-support for friends so we can't risk learning a muscle-memory default that might be wrong elsewhere.

So as a result, if it's customizable we tend to disable everything we can on our own hardware and only learn the one sure-fire way to do something elsewhere.

And for 1.5 decades, yes, it was "start menu... power buttons right there" as the safe way to guarantee something would shut down cleanly. So that became our safe muscle memory option that would apply no matter who's machine we were working on, or how new/old it was.

The whole 'sleep when lid closed' default never made sense to me either, since so often hardware was sluggish to come back from sleep state, and usually you only closed the lid to carry the laptop elsewhere and open it right back up.

Different "sleep timers" for lid closed versus open? I'd be all over that like white on rice. If I keep the lid closed for 15 minutes, or open for an hour and idle? Sleep that puppy!

But the defaults sucked for a lot of folks and gave laptops a bad rep. I've met dozens of sales drones over the years that would carry their laptops wide open between meetings to avoid closing the lid putting it to sleep because they didn't know they could change that default.

Re:Power button. (1)

zippthorne (748122) | about a year ago | (#46437599)

The sleep you describe sounds a lot like hibernate. Sleep shouldn't need time to load crap into memory because it never unloaded memory - it should use the minimum power necessary to maintain state.

What maybe should happen is that after sleeping due to, say, lid closure, if the lid has been closed for a specified interval (say, 20 minutes), the state is also saved to the hibernate file, and after some further interval (say, an hour), the power to maintain sleep is also cut.

There seems to have been a mixing of terms, or maybe they were never separate enough in the first place, such that you need to carefully read the documentation to get the proper context, and the power settings are never quite expressive enough to do what you want them to.

Stupid Defaults (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437719)

I discovered the settings could be changed when I hit the power button to put a (recently installed) Windows XP system in Standby, but it ended up shutting down completely and losing all the webpages and documents I had open.

(Goddamn stupid defaults.)

Re:Power button. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436741)

At least on my Asus' Win8, the default action was to immediately hibernate on power button press. Getting the damn thing to boot into Debian usb install took much longer than downloading the usb installation media. Eventually I found that at least reboot does waht it advertises, as the "turn off" really just dumped the RAM to ssd and put the computer into sleep.

If you need to search it's broken (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#46436979)

Personally I think that if you need to search for a way out of an application that doesn't give you a manual to read before you go near it then it is broken.

Re:Power button. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436549)

...I won't do it. I'm going to gamble with my filesystem, am I?

-1 redundant.

You're already installing an MS product, fool.

Re:Power button. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436585)

Right, why ride NTFS when there's ReiserFS.

Re:Power button. (0)

Ynot_82 (1023749) | about a year ago | (#46436575)

If I don't know for sure, I won't do it. I'm going to gamble with my filesystem, am I?

Does windows still not have a journaling filesystem?

Re:Power button. (2)

EvanED (569694) | about a year ago | (#46436605)

Windows NT has had a journaling FS since its introduction in 1993.

But (on any OS) a journaling FS usually just means that the file system metadata itself is consistent; most journaling FSs don't journal data changes as well, so you could have a half-committed change to the contents of a file from a program. Even if it did, that still doesn't guarantee that a program will issue file operations in a way that has any chance of being considered atomic.

You could make an argument that journaling fixes some of the least important file system consistency issues.

Re:Power button. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436623)

Ntfs is a decent filesystem. However, very little is safe from a power yank when drives have write caching enabled. Furthermore, hardware *lies* about whether stuff has been flushed from the write cache, a fact that has made ZFS developers throw things in rage. What do you do when your CoW filesystem (far safer than even journaled fs) needs to ensure something is on disk and the sync command to the hardware lies to you and says it has when it hasn't?

Re:Power button. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436629)

C'mon. If you don't know what a journaling FS promises, don't bring it up. It's nice to have a consistent FS when you come back from the power loss, but you could have had untold gigabytes in write cache.

Re:Power button. (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about a year ago | (#46436749)

Uh... if that's an OS cache, your OS has serious problems (and you have a LOT of RAM). If that's on-disk cache... where do you buy your disks?!? Mine has 64MB of cache, that's it...

Re:Power button. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436767)

Windows has had a journaling file system every since they copied the journaling file system known as HPFS, from OS/2

Re:Power button. (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year ago | (#46437017)

Microsoft didn't copy HPFS, they wrote it.

Doesn't put the HP in HPFS (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#46437687)

But then why did Microsoft have to give its High Performance File System a name that people might confuse with Hewlett-Packard? HP needed to name its own file system OJFS [wikipedia.org] (no Reiser jokes please) to distinguish it.

Re:Power button. (1)

Jamu (852752) | about a year ago | (#46436661)

I've probably got mine set up for an orderly shutdown, but it's easier for me to use my keyboard and mouse, instead of reaching under my desk for my system's power button. I'm thinking that turning it on from the computer case is kinda daft too. I should really just use the keyboard.

Re:Power button. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436777)

I'm full aware the power button will shut the machine down 9and mostly, I don't care if it's orderly or not, I just want to kill the thing and restart). The problem is 9 times out of 10, the reason I'm shutting the machine down is because some program is hung in the background. So I drop my mouse... fumble around under my desk for the power button, push it, then 5 seconds later a window pops up on the screen telling me the program is busy in the background and asking if I want to shut it down or wait, so grab the mouse again and start clicking windows again.

This is why I just shut down from the screen which I am already working at, and will likely have to work at some more in order to get an actual shutdown.

Should we W8? Does Bing patient pay off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436607)

There's no way Microsoft is going to save Windows 8.1. Especially with kernel fixes that my Grandma can't even learn appreciate.
According to the elderly: "Buttons are meant to be buttons, not something shape-shifting, and non-dedicated."

Reviewer hates users (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436651)

I couldn't get through the article. The reviewer seemed positively baffled about changes that would give more control to the user. Why would anyone want that? He kept asking. Yeah that's how Microsoft used to think throughout the past 2 decades, it's time for them and you to get past that ridiculous mindset. Give MORE control to the users, not less. And make MORE information available to the users; stop hiding things behind registry keys, obscure log files, and generic and highly misleading error messages.

Re:Reviewer hates users (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436773)

Apple made it's bank on a decision, in the early 2000's, to treat it's user base as lobotomised retarded proto-lifeforms. To the surprise of just about everyone else in the industry, it turns out that the masses WANTED to be treated as mouth-breathing idiot fucktard assholes who can BARELY manage to use a device with anything more than possibly one button and a wheel for the control.

Ever since then, it's been a race-to-the-bottom for software developers. Windows 8(.1) is a direct outgrowth of this. The author's bafflement reflects the user-land perspective of "why would I want TWO buttons?! You're making it TOOO complicated! waaaaaaaaahhhhh"... Go ahead and blame MS for the new UI, but it's the hordes of retarded idiots over-spending on Apple shit that's REALLY driving this ...


Re:Reviewer hates users (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about a year ago | (#46437183)

Apple made it's bank on a decision, in the early 2000's, to treat it's user base as lobotomised retarded proto-lifeforms.

Still pissed off about the industry moving away from CP/M, I see.

Re:Reviewer hates users (3, Insightful)

Atomic Fro (150394) | about a year ago | (#46437473)

I don't really agree with you. In 2000 Apple gave the world a powerful commercial UNIX workstation OS that "just worked," along with a fantastic IDE and development tools for free. There were lots of things in there for power users that may not have been advertised or easily discovered, but they were there and documented somewhere if you knew how to look.

Now, the workstation OS started going to shit as you described after they moved to intel, supposedly Mavericks fixes that a bit. I don't know, never owned an intel mac (thats also when they started sunsetting hardware almost as quickly as it was released).

Its iOS thats for the lobotomised retarted proto-lifeforms. And, yes, some of that was getting into OSX proper. But I believe the backlash with Windows 8 showed them that might not be too wise and I've heard they've backed off, again, with Mavericks.

Harps on about power button (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46436717)

Does anyone with a desktop machine actually _want_ to use the power button to turn off the machine? Personally, mine is tucked away under my desk well out of convenient reach.

Keypress turns the damn thing on, start-> shutdown turns the damn thing off.

Only time the power button gets used is if the machine freezes and need a kick.

Oh my god (4, Funny)

Undead Waffle (1447615) | about a year ago | (#46436815)

A Peter Bright article that is actually critical of a Microsoft product without trying to downplay all of its flaws? What is this world coming to?

Re:Oh my god (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437295)

Like a stopped clock that is right twice a day, even Peter Bright will fail to suck up to Microsoft once in a while. (Where "a while" is defined as "a deacde".)

He's met his quota for the twenty-teens; check back in the twenty-twenties to see if he can do it again.

Re:Oh my god (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437361)

That's only because this will be a (small) improvement over the previous version. If it was a major cock-up, there would be praise galore.

Re:Oh my god (3, Informative)

Atomic Fro (150394) | about a year ago | (#46437431)

It didn't seem to me that he was critical of Microsoft as much as he was desktop users. I could barely get through the article due to rage, but this is how I parsed it:

"Look at all these redundant features Microsoft felt they had to add to appease stupid desktop users who haven't learned anything from Vista's UI 7 years ago. These users need to go away, they are forcing Microsoft to clutter up my Metro!

Look, a power button! A power button for Ballmer's sake! Who the hell needs that? If you are a laptop user, close your damn lid and let it sleep. If you are a desktop user, push the button on the front of your pee cee. That's been standard since ATX came out in 1995. GET A CLUE PEOPLE!

What? You say you want to reboot? If Windows needs to reboot it will do it for you. You don't need to waste time doing that on your own.

Well, crap. Metro apps have title bars now. Well, I guess that's not too bad. But, you know, you could have just dragged down with your mouse you lazy desktop users. Ugg, now that ugly task bar is covering up the ui in the bottom portion of the screen. I don't remember you desktop users wanting that. Leave my metro alone!

OOOOOH PRETTY! SkyDrive is now called OneDrive, and I can access it in Metro, the OneUI to rule them all.

Well, I don't know who wanted this. Its just redundant crap taking up space on my metro. Desktop users avoid metro anyway, so they obviously don't want it. Stop wasting time on desktop users, Microsoft.

True (1)

Undead Waffle (1447615) | about a year ago | (#46437471)

Admittedly I mostly skimmed it the first time and read the conclusions at the end. In a second read through you are right there is a lot of that "it was fine, the users are dumb" attitude. But it does say that Microsoft is making an already inconsistent UI even more inconsistent without trying to justify or downplay it at the end like he typically does. Overall the article doesn't feel like a big sales pitch like most of his other articles.

File History now backs up OneDrive offline files (1)

PUC_Snakeman (217767) | about a year ago | (#46436859)

One thing that's not being reported anywhere, and is a new feature to this update, is:
File History now backs up OneDrive offline files!

This is a big change for me, and will finally allow me to trust putting files "only in OneDrive", since I will have local File History backups of it!
Thanks, Microsoft.

posting from windows 8 (3, Interesting)

Teunis (678244) | about a year ago | (#46436917)

- install a start menu replacement to get application menus back. Application menus are handy when one has a number of applications with similar names.
- disable search and system speed jumps. Don't use it anyway, and it's pointless for a programmer like me.
- constant delays in performing tasks
- chrome can open 1/10 the tabs of linux on same hardware. That's perhaps a bad sign.

I've actually found my ability to work effectively on this platform has degraded to the point I just don't anymore.
I now use windows as a game platform and occasional (and frustrating) web browsing.
With Steam (etc), the issue with not being able to find my applications anymore stopped being relevant - I stopped using them under windows at all.

so when I want to do real browsing, real programming, or pretty much anything other than playing games, it's back to Mint for me. (because I similarly find unity and other "tablet" interfaces - interfaces less useful and intuitive than either IOS or Android - pointless)

Pay-for-Play article by Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437135)

Ars Technica is probably the WORST pay-for-play tech-site on the Internet. It's articles exist purely becomes some company or agency pays them for the coverage, which always takes the form of a long lump of very crude propaganda. A little while back, Ars Technica took a payment for hundreds of thousands of dollars from Monsanto to produce a pro-Monsanto puff-piece, disguised as a 'science' article.

The paid for promotion of Windows 8 in this article is just hysterical. Everyone EXCEPT the vicious psychopaths that currently run Microsoft know that Windows 8 is a massive failure with its customers. People genuinely liked Win7 with optional Aero, and saw it as a very reasonable upgrade for XP. On the other hand, no-one in the core market for Windows wanted a iPad like experience on their desktop or laptop.

BUT, the consequence of Apple's success in the market caused Microsoft to create a unifying cult within the company where "it must work like an iPad" was the ONLY doctrine any department head was allowed to believe in. Before Win8 was released, the entire Microsoft company was groomed and brainwashed into accepting only one possible view of the future.

On one tech news site, in the comments, a designer of the Win8 interface posted a long 'explanation'. This guy had worked on Win7, but due to the cult-like brainwashing, was like one of those cult drones that seeks to accost you on the streets. He 'explained' how people who wanted to keep the traditional multi-window interface were completely wrong, because Microsoft 'experts' had 'proven' the doctrine of Win8 to be the one true 'word of god'. This guy wasn't some management drone, but a low level implementer.

So, today, all that remains in Microsoft is a single-minded defence of the horrors the intellectually sub-normal psychopath, Ballmer, inflicted on the company. Ballmer paid experts in psychology to target Microsoft's nerds, and break their will to his 'vision'. And sadly, most nerds have very fragile psyches, and can be bent in any direction by a sufficiently ruthless individual.

Microsoft's strategy, like any religious zealot, is to repeat over and over "you are wrong and we are right- and time will prove this". Changes to Win8 are like changes to Catholic Doctrine- all talk and no substance, because those in charge are determined there will be no real shift in fundamental policies.

The pay-for-play article on Ars Technica says "those that hate Windows 8 are technically illiterate morons. However, Microsoft always listens, so even though the critics are wrong, Microsoft has made some great changes- which all just so happen to underline what makes Win8 in the first place."

Even Anandtech and Tom's Hardware don't come close to the corruptness of Ars Technica- and Ars Technica is one of the VERY few tech sites that has literally no merit at any time.

Re:Pay-for-Play article by Microsoft (1, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#46437499)

And sadly, most nerds have very fragile psyches

Reading the comments to this article confirm this like nothing else I've seen.

Christ, it's a shitty operating system, marginally better than Windows 7, and you're making out like someone's raped your sister and then tweezed your nose hair. For fuck's sake, get some perspective.

I mean, do operating systems even matter any more? The only people who care about this are the sad sacks that do corporate end-user support...Oh wait, that's it isn't it? You have a shitty job and you're pissed at the world. Oh, OK. Carry on. Get it off your chest. You have precious little to live for, so if it makes you feel better to be the anti-MS Martin Luther and hammer your treatise to the church door, then by all means...

Return To Days of Future Past: DOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437325)

From the looks of things there are multiple insurgency battles enraging within Microsoft Campus Corporate Compound. The Iconography of 'Metro' is a daunting failure that Microsoft is going to shove with a pickax down the user regardless of the user's intention.

Windows 8.1.update looks to be an OS for comatose people.

For a person who needs to really accomplishing something, do something, create something then Windows 8.1.x is NOT the solution!

This opens a Grand Door for people to rediscover the beauty and power of the Disk Operating System DOS.

I will not belabor this. But for those few amongst the multitudes of humanity who can write a program or shell script and who understand computing and computing languages there is no alternative than to abandon Microsoft Windows 8.x and live to a better day using DOS to actually create instead of seeing a tile with your pulse rate though in error.


Start Menu Search (2)

VanGarrett (1269030) | about a year ago | (#46437543)

Perhaps this is speculation too far, but this pair of changes almost suggests that many Windows users haven't changed the way they use the operating system—or their computers—since the mid 1990s. The Windows Vista-era mechanism of "Start and then type," now seven-years-old, apparently hasn't caught on and quite plausibly isn't even known by many Windows users.

Am I missing something important, or does this idea where you're expected to type the thing you want to do kind of abandon the whole point of using a GUI instead of a command line?

I'm not exactly opposed to having the feature there, but if you automatically have to resort to it, then your GUI needs to be reconsidered.

I'll be waiting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437595)

So Windows 8.1 is just more warmed-over crap?

I'll be waiting for Windows 9 if they're still even relevant then.

Hummm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#46437695)

Why this story shows in the horrible Slashdot beta? Windows 8 envy maybe? Also this box is difficult to tell what is the title and the comment until the preview comment button is pressed up.

Still crap (4, Insightful)

mysidia (191772) | about a year ago | (#46437751)

Wake me up, when they concede to bring the Windows 7 start MENU back.

For what purpose (1)

koan (80826) | about a year ago | (#46437755)

Does Microsoft create this interface without a start button and traditional desktop option? What is the drive to do away with choice? Why not have the option for both traditional desktop and Metro?
It's like Unity, it fucking sucks there is no choice, just a "here suck on it" attitude.

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