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As the Web Turns 25, Sir Tim Berners-Lee Calls For A Web Magna Carta

Unknown Lamer posted about 8 months ago | from the dream-machines-realized dept.

The Internet 80

Today marks the 25th anniversary of Tim Berners-Lee's "Information Management: A Proposal," containing the ideas that led to the World Wide Web. From its humble beginnings as a way to store linked documents at CERN to... well, you're reading this now. To celebrate, the W3C is encouraging people to post their birthday greetings. Quoting Tim Berners-Lee: "In the following quarter-century, the Web has changed the world in ways that I never could have imagined. There have been many exciting advances. It has generated billions of dollars in economic growth, turned data into the gold of the 21st century, unleashed innovation in education and healthcare, whittled away geographic and social boundaries, revolutionised the media, and forced a reinvention of politics in many countries by enabling constant two-way dialogue between the rulers and the ruled." Martin S. and JestersGrind both wrote in to note that Tim Berners-Lee is calling for the creation of a Web Magna Carta. Again Quoting Tim Berners-Lee "It's time for us to make a big communal decision," he said. "In front of us are two roads - which way are we going to go? Are we going to continue on the road and just allow the governments to do more and more and more control - more and more surveillance? Or are we going to set up a bunch of values? Are we going to set up something like a Magna Carta for the world wide web and say, actually, now it's so important, so much part of our lives, that it becomes on a level with human rights?" How has the rise of the web affected your life? Also check out the CERN line mode browser simulation of the first web site.

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I'm tired of Tim and his WWW centric bubble (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46464447)

The Internet is more than just the web. He didn't even invent hypertext, Apple was giving hypertext readers away for free with the Apple II.

Re:I'm tired of Tim and his WWW centric bubble (4, Insightful)

MacDork (560499) | about 8 months ago | (#46464529)

I got tired of him when he endorsed DRM. That would be rule 1 and 2 for my web Magna Carta: No DRM.

Re:I'm tired of Tim and his WWW centric bubble (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 8 months ago | (#46464577)

You'll have to be ok with that being only rule 2.

Rule 1 of the Wb Magna Carta is: you do not speak of Web Magna Carta.

Rule 3 is: Profit!

Re:I'm tired of Tim and his WWW centric bubble (2)

ganjadude (952775) | about 8 months ago | (#46465421)

no no no, everyone knows rule 2 is "???"

Re:I'm tired of Tim and his WWW centric bubble (2)

Bugamn (1769722) | about 8 months ago | (#46467801)

Let's us get this straight:

Web Magna Carta

  1. 1. You do not speak of the Web Magna Carta;
  2. 2. You do not speak of the Web Magna Carta;
  3. 3. No DRM;
  4. 4. ???
  5. 5. Profit!
  6. 34. There's porn of it.

Tim = corporate sockpuppet (1)

globaljustin (574257) | about 8 months ago | (#46465129)

I got tired of him when mainstream news analysts started introducing him as "the man who invented the internet"

When the WHATWG had to be formed to get around the W3C's DRM capitulation...that basically confirmed my suspicions

Tim = corporate sockpuppet

News Analysts = corporate sockpuppets (1)

rstanley (758673) | about 8 months ago | (#46465715)

Don't blame Tim for the ignorance of so-called, "News Analysts". Tim created a useful tool to advance the use of the Internet. It is far more useful than USENET [wikipedia.org] that we were using when we first received messages to the effect of "Hey, come look at this new thing called WWW!" My first browser was Lynx [wikipedia.org] when I only had a UNIX shell account while teaching at NYU.

DRM has NO PLACE in ANY standard for the Internet. I don't understand why Tim supports this. We obviously don't have all the facts. I agree with him that a Magna Carta for the Internet would be be appropriate. It would allow us to eliminate DRM.

In the words of Robert Burns, Tim is a "Man of independant mind"!

blame for not correcting (1)

globaljustin (574257) | about 8 months ago | (#46466205)

Don't blame Tim for the ignorance of so-called, "News Analysts"

I'm not.

I'm blaming Tim for not setting things straight in all those CNN, BBC, Fox, MSNBC, etc TV appearances (and thats just in the US)...

Those interviews where it's his talking head and the screen graphics say "Invented World Wide Web"

If he's anywhere near the scientist he pretends to be, he should have **explained that 'the internet' was around long before his work**

He should have been the ***FIRST*** person to give credit to the Stanford team that did 'invent the internet' as we know it as exemplified in the Mother of All Demos: http://www.wired.com/wiredente... [wired.com]

Instead TBL accepted a knighthood from the Queen of England & helped stifle development of web standards in support of DRM

fsck TBL & the horse he rode in on...he's a charlatan

Re:blame for not correcting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46468715)

Those interviews where it's his talking head and the screen graphics say "Invented World Wide Web"

He did invent the WWW.

Re:blame for not correcting (1)

globaljustin (574257) | about 8 months ago | (#46469465)

He did invent the WWW.

that's deceptive & plays into the scam

to virtually everyone except techies 'the internet' == 'world wide web'

which is the ***entire problem*** which TBL purposely evades correcting....

the 'world wide web' is a reductive, even childish abstraction that is completely unworthy of celebration

Re:I'm tired of Tim and his WWW centric bubble (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 8 months ago | (#46465591)

He didn't really endorse DRM. He said that DRM is inevitable - it's going to be used, one way or another. It'd be better to have an open-standard API with an 'insert proprietary blob here' section that would allow for cross-browser compatibility than to refuse to create the open standard and instead end up with a tangle of incompatible browser extensions.

Re:I'm tired of Tim and his WWW centric bubble (1)

JesseMcDonald (536341) | about 8 months ago | (#46465681)

It'd be better to have an open-standard API with an 'insert proprietary blob here' section that would allow for cross-browser compatibility than to refuse to create the open standard and instead end up with a tangle of incompatible browser extensions.

Really? It seems to me that we end up with a tangle of incompatible browser extensions either way. Why would it make any difference whether it's in the form of browser-specific tags or browser-specific DRM plugins?

Re:I'm tired of Tim and his WWW centric bubble (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 8 months ago | (#46466843)

Because the W3C/TBL way means only the DRM vendor need deal with multiple browser support. The operators of each website than don't have to be concerned with it, and can go back to worrying about codec patents.

Re:I'm tired of Tim and his WWW centric bubble (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46466107)

Rule 3 should rescind whatever html crap-design that forces me to maximize my browser window to view content. I want my windows my size, not "their" size. That's just stupid. Re-flow to window size should just work, like it used to.

Re:I'm tired of Tim and his WWW centric bubble (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 8 months ago | (#46464569)

Um, SGML dates back to the 1960s.

And according to Anchorpersons everywhere... (1)

jtara (133429) | about 8 months ago | (#46465481)

March 12, 2014, the day that countless local TV Anchorpersons are celebrating the anniversary of the invention of the Internet! Probably more erroneous statements out of the mouths of Anchorpersons than any other day in history!

penis (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46464453)

penis

Re:penis (1)

taiwanjohn (103839) | about 8 months ago | (#46464647)

The perfect "tool" with which to fuck beta I presume?

Re:penis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46464907)

You read too much into things

Re:penis (1)

taiwanjohn (103839) | about 8 months ago | (#46465409)

Sorry dude (assuming you are the same AC as above?), just trying to make your one-word comment slightly relevant.

The rulers and the ruled (1, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | about 8 months ago | (#46464489)

forced a reinvention of politics in many countries by enabling constant two-way dialogue between the rulers and the ruled.

- yes, today more people realize that it is better to be free than "the ruled". As an anarcho-capitalist / libertarian / objectivist I welcome the use of technology to let people to get from under the oppression of these rulers.

Re:The rulers and the ruled (3, Interesting)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 8 months ago | (#46464703)

today more people realize that it is better to be free than "the ruled".

Nonsense. People are reactionary and fickle, and irrational. Most people don't want freedom. They want order and structure, and they don't care about whose toes they have to step on to get it.

Re:The rulers and the ruled (1, Troll)

roman_mir (125474) | about 8 months ago | (#46464765)

I say you are wrong, but this guy said it better [wikipedia.org] .

Re:The rulers and the ruled (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 8 months ago | (#46470101)

Well sir, if you feel that strongly, you are perfectly welcome to do the same. Who am I to stop you?

Re:The rulers and the ruled (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46469619)

You don't get it. People want freedom. They just hate the idea that everyone else is also free. They want freedom for themselves and order and structure for everyone else.

Re: The rulers and the ruled (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46467117)

"today more people realize that it is better to be free than "the ruled""

Is this meant to be sarcasm, or do you think that the only people who exist are on slashdot? The vast majority of people would take being ruled if it included some nice shiny bobbles for free. Just look around at what people allow their government, elected or not, to do as long as they get something out of it.

Not to mention that the use of technology has just opened up new avenues for people to be oppressed. The sheer volumes of mis-information that are propagated via the web is enormous. Sites exist for every whack-job theory out there. A factual comment can be slaughtered by legions of anonymous trolls. With a new medium, the old tricks just had to find new methods to be accomplished.

Nice idea but.... (3, Informative)

Chrisq (894406) | about 8 months ago | (#46464533)

Nice idea but to get the original Magna Carta signed took a rebellion, and getting it accepted meant overthrowing the king. I don't accept the NSA, GCHQ, etc. to just accept this one either!

Re:Nice idea but.... (4, Informative)

idontgno (624372) | about 8 months ago | (#46464719)

Berners-Lee is an Englishman, a Londoner for God's sake. You'd think he'd know the history of his own city and country.

You're right. The Magna Carta was practically signed at swordpoint. And, more importantly, it wasn't a charter of rights for all humanity: it was principally a charter of the rights and powers of the nobility: the barons on the non-pointy end of the swords. In this sense, perhaps the megacorp oligarchs could get a Magna Carta, but it wouldn't make a damn sniff of difference to us peasants.

Re:Nice idea but.... (1)

Martin S. (98249) | about 8 months ago | (#46466511)

Magna Carta was practically signed at swordpoint.

This is why I included an obligitory xkcd in the original submission, but I think conflating the leveraging of power in digital domain with the threat of violence and civil unrest have been a too subtle for the editor.

http://xkcd.com/857/ [xkcd.com]

Re:Nice idea but.... (2)

sunderland56 (621843) | about 8 months ago | (#46465041)

The original Magna Carta is 799 years old; even after all that time, the concepts in it are far from universal even today.

Re:Nice idea but.... (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 8 months ago | (#46465607)

And hardly a modern standard of human rights. Most of it can be summed up as 'The nobility demand the king stop oppressing their right to oppress the peasants.'

Re:Nice idea but.... (1)

u38cg (607297) | about 8 months ago | (#46467305)

Thank goodness. Most of it was bollocks and most of the good stuff ended up in there by accident.

Re:Nice idea but.... (1)

jafac (1449) | about 8 months ago | (#46467377)

I hope this "king" dies of dysentery too.

We're going to give up more and more control [EOM] (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46464541)

3db745be-9d31-4f24-bf36-4e262bd12dbb

Re:We're going to give up more and more control [E (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 8 months ago | (#46464587)

No, we won't. Because we already have no control on whether we give control or keep it.

Human rights (4, Interesting)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 8 months ago | (#46464543)

that it becomes on a level with human rights?

Online rights are already on level with human rights. i.e.: ignored by governments, cried about by NGOs, impossible to defend, trampled upon with no consequence, ...

I mean... We did already agree that torturing and killing people was bad, right?

Re:Human rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46467165)

It is only bad one some other country does it (or if we get caught)

captcha : bumble

It would be unenforcable (4, Informative)

Viol8 (599362) | about 8 months ago | (#46464557)

Therefore its a meaningless gesture and nothing more than a publicity stunt for the anniversary.

And equating it to human rights is an insult to all the people in the world currently having their rights abused or taken away completely. Oddly enough billions of people manage to live quite fulfilled lives without going near a web browser. The same can't be said for those being oppressed ,tortured, starved or massacred. While I respect Berners-Lee, I think he's lost a bit of perspective on things.

Re:It would be unenforcable (0)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 8 months ago | (#46465223)

I see we are out of touch with the "human rights" crowd.

Cause and effect. People have learned that applying the "human rights" label greatly helps win whatever your argument is. Talking about actual abuse? Passe. Talking about a web browser being a human right? Absolutely on-topic. Denying the right to a web browser? Morally equivalent to ordering the People's Security Bureau to round up all suspected dissenters for 20 year prison terms.

The perspective that's lacking is yours. Get with the program. Human rights are whatever helps you win the argument of the day. That old stuff - leave it in the 80s where it belongs.

Re:It would be unenforcable (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about 8 months ago | (#46465527)

Sadly what you say is true.

Re:It would be unenforcable (1)

NickFortune (613926) | about 8 months ago | (#46468201)

Therefore its a meaningless gesture and nothing more than a publicity stunt for the anniversary.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I mean the idea of racial equality was unenforceable at one point in time. Did that make campaigning for equal rights a meaningless gesture? There are any number of systematic injustices that have been largely eliminated, and in most cases it started out by someone asking for something they couldn't enforce.

I guess if you want something to change, a good first step is probably setting down what you actually want.

And equating it to human rights is an insult to all the people in the world currently having their rights abused or taken away completely. Oddly enough billions of people manage to live quite fulfilled lives without going near a web browser. The same can't be said for those being oppressed ,tortured, starved or massacred. While I respect Berners-Lee, I think he's lost a bit of perspective on things.

I suppose on that basis, claiming free speech as a right is an insult to all those being murdered. Or claming a right to life could be an insult to those being brutally tortured to death. If you're comfortable quantify things in that way, at any rate. I'm not sure I am.

And really, I can't see what's wrong with demanding a right to live our lives free from pervasive government or corporate surveillance. It's not so much saying that we don't think the oppressed and tortured are important. Just that we think this is important, as well.

1989 (2)

mtbink.com (3559991) | about 8 months ago | (#46464691)

I was born in 1989 ^_^

How has the web affected my life? (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | about 8 months ago | (#46464711)

I met my wife online (in a Yahoo chat room), work online as a web developer, socialize online with people around the world on a daily basis, use it for reference (ala Wikipedia) and entertainment (e.g. Netflix). Without the web, my life would be much, much smaller and poorer.

I was doing some of this before the Web (1)

peter303 (12292) | about 8 months ago | (#46464833)

As USENET and WELL junkie (hell no AOL).
The Web made it easier for services and users.

Re:I was doing some of this before the Web (1)

idontgno (624372) | about 8 months ago | (#46466799)

True. Oldtimers like me don't really look back fondly on the birthday of the Web.

We did just fine with FTP and Gopher and NNTP. The 'net had a moderately high intellectual entry barrier. It was hard, and it was complicated. It was its own intelligence test. We didn't have to suffer fools gladly; fools couldn't even work the doorknob, let alone enter and sully us with their foolishness.

If I'm going to bravely cheer the 25th birthday of the World Wide Web, I may as well applaud the first day of the September that Never Ended. [wikipedia.org] Damn dirty AOL'ers.

Re:How has the web affected my life? (1, Insightful)

Viol8 (599362) | about 8 months ago | (#46464921)

"Without the web, my life would be much, much smaller and poorer."

I feel sorry for you. Seriously. I use most of the above too but if I lost web access it would be like loosing the TV - annoying but hardly a big deal in the scheme of things. Perhaps you need to find some real life friends and do some more outdoor activities.

Re:How has the web affected my life? (2)

neminem (561346) | about 8 months ago | (#46464979)

Why? Why *should* he do things he doesn't enjoy as much, just because you think he *should* enjoy them more?

If I lost the internet, I don't even know what I would do with my time. (If I lost web access it would be *literally* like losing the tv, since I watch all my tv online. Also like losing all my gaming consoles, half my library, not to mention would seriously impact my ability to get any work done, since most documentation is online these days.)

And yes, I also found my wife online - technically we met in real-life first, but then reconnected a couple years later online. If that hadn't happened, we would never have gotten together.

Re:How has the web affected my life? (-1, Flamebait)

Viol8 (599362) | about 8 months ago | (#46465179)

"If I lost the internet, I don't even know what I would do with my time"

Is there some Looser of the Week competition going on on here that I don't know about?

Re:How has the web affected my life? (1)

neminem (561346) | about 8 months ago | (#46465419)

If you think that having a hobby of wasting time on the internet equals being a huge loser... why are you even here?

Re:How has the web affected my life? (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about 8 months ago | (#46466353)

Is there some Looser of the Week competition going on on here that I don't know about?

Yep. You won. Congratulations.

Re:How has the web affected my life? (1)

DrGamez (1134281) | about 8 months ago | (#46466739)

Piss off?

Re:How has the web affected my life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46465311)

As a web developer, I would quite literally be poorer.

Re:How has the web affected my life? (1)

torsmo (1301691) | about 8 months ago | (#46465485)

Perhaps you need to find some real life friends and do some more outdoor activities.

It's quite annoying to see sentiments similar to this echoed whenever someone reveals they prefer an "online life" to a more traditionally held view of "a life". Why is someone's idea of fun/life inherently superior to that of another, simply because it involves close physical interaction with sentient/near-sentient biological entities? If they are satisfied with their lifestyle, and are comfortable with not going outside and enjoying themselves in the digital world, why should they be forced to confirm to others ideas? I see no reason to feel sorry for them. They adopted their way of living, it's their life. Why should that bother others?

Re:How has the web affected my life? (0)

Viol8 (599362) | about 8 months ago | (#46465571)

Someone has the right to sit on front of a screen all their life and I have the right to think they're a bit of a loser.

And yes , I am sitting in front of a screen myself - I'm paid to. But this is a diversion at work. At home I have better things to do.

Re:How has the web affected my life? (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | about 8 months ago | (#46466583)

Not to mention that "close physical interaction" might be with people who don't share your interests. Online, you can get together with people based on mutual interests and not just "we happen to live near each other."

Re:How has the web affected my life? (3, Insightful)

Jason Levine (196982) | about 8 months ago | (#46466315)

I meant "my life would be much, much smaller and poorer" in a few ways. The obvious use of "poorer" is that I wouldn't have the job I have now. No need for a web developer if the web didn't exist! (Yes, I'd be doing something else. Likely with computers, but who knows if I'd enjoy it as much as I enjoy web development.)

Also, my world would literally be smaller. I'd know my tiny circle of "In Real Life" friends/co-workers/family and that would be it. Given the small geographic area that all of us occupy, our life experiences are somewhat the same. Yes, there are variations, but nothing too radical. Online, however, I converse with people from across the United States, Canada, Australia, etc. If I'm discussing an issue, I can get viewpoints from people who have much different life experiences and who live in many different situations. This also means that we can compare reportings of world events. If TV news reports here say that X happened, reports in France say that Y happened, and reports from Japan say Z happened, we can all get together to try to figure out the truth. (Or at least cut through some of the spin that news programs love to add.) All of this inter-connectedness adds richness to my life, so my life would be poorer were the Internet to disappear.

Finally, the Internet has enabled me to connect with people based on interests instead of based on geographic location. Growing up, I knew only one other person who liked science fiction even remotely as much as I did. I can't even begin to count the number of people I've met online who share my interests. What's more, the Internet has enabled me to pursue new interests. I wanted to try making a fez for a Doctor Who costume so I looked up some tutorials, found a blog with detailed templates/photos/descriptions, and made my own fez. It came out so good that my Whovian kids wanted their own. I even connected with the blog's author to thank her. Without the Internet, I wouldn't have known how to do this at all. At best, I might have found a magazine article with some limited instructions... after much searching... if my library felt the need to stock that particular issue of that particular magazine.

Then there's the fact that I communicate a whole lot better online than face-to-face. (Asperger's Syndrome + social pressure to say the right thing at just the right moment = poor face-to-face conversation skills. Constantly working on it, but I'm much better communicating via writing.) Actually, in many ways, communicating with people online has helped me communicate better with people face-to-face since I can remember how I responded to something online and draw upon that in a face-to-face discussion.

The Internet is a big part of my life in many different ways and I wouldn't want to go back to life without it.

Re:How has the web affected my life? (1)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | about 8 months ago | (#46469257)

I met my wife online (in a Yahoo chat room), work online as a web developer, socialize online with people around the world on a daily basis, use it for reference (ala Wikipedia) and entertainment (e.g. Netflix). Without the web, my life would be much, much smaller and poorer.

Alas I'm the single type -not gay, just enjoy the single life; or I could of said the same thing, but in a pre-Internet/IRC way.

$250 for a Supra2400 baud modem really changed my life, but didn't know what to do with it when I got it. This was pre-Gore so had to hit the local computer store for BBS numbers, BBS's ya like I had a clue.

Hit the Bulletin Board System (BBS) and I met a few long term girlfriends online (BBS's were/are mostly local affairs), even have a son; a direct result of my modem purchase.

I enjoyed it so much I started my own BBS using Cnet for the Amiga software. An Amiga in a IBM world was unique (after we beat Atari out of the game). I ran a 6 line chat board, I had a 6 port serial card (for printers) that I used to plug modems in, one system and I could have 8 lines, and still play my games (25Mhz and 10 Megs static ram).

I pulled in FidoNet and a few UseNet feeds as it cost 10 a minute for the long distance fee to my source. With Cnet if I had an open line (nobody using it) I could connect to another Cnet BBS anywhere in the world, that was kool - taking everybody someplace different to meet total strangers.

My /. handle is due to the BBS's, my handle is a shout out to anybody who knew me then, they will know who I am instantly :}

I remember when I first came across the newly released WWW software, I read the description and figured it was some new fancy terminal program and passed on it, I already had a decent one. Even talked about it to a friend who said it was to show jpg's when you went to the site, ya like we were that lazy :} neither of us even attempted it to check it out.

Being on-line be it BBS, or the Internet I find very rewarding as well.

-ANSI text was here-

an old BBS ad of mine. It's name was it's phone number (3001).
Had to remove it (Filter error: Please use fewer 'junk' characters.)

HarunLog (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46464815)

Thanks Good read

http://harunlog.blogspot.com/

Thanks, Tim (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46464821)

Thanks for fucking up the Internet.

Re:Thanks, Tim (2, Interesting)

Chrisq (894406) | about 8 months ago | (#46464847)

Thanks for fucking up the Internet.

He certainly did - Just like Ford fucked up the roads by making cars cheap enough so that almost anyone could have one.

Browser Simulator only on firefox? (1)

CaseCrash (1120869) | about 8 months ago | (#46464857)

Also check out the CERN line mode browser simulation [line-mode.cern.ch] of the first web site

On chrome it's unreadable, on IE it's crazily formated. Firefox shows it correctly, but come on; talking about how awesome the web is and giving an example that fucks up?

the web was "hijacked" from Tim (3, Funny)

peter303 (12292) | about 8 months ago | (#46464895)

Once Jim Clarke and Bill Gates had their "broswers wars", orderly development of web was thrown out of the window by the money chase. This may not have been bad. You now had hundreds of thousands trying out new ideas. Even though 99% there were some gems in the successful 1%.

whats the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46464963)

Americans ruined the web in their pursuit of a dollar.

All governments are tools (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46465025)

of their wealthiest citizens. This is especially true in the United States. Now imagine how much more difficult it would have been to invade Iraq and steal their oil if the citizens of both the U.S. and Iraq routinely communicated, like over the web. Then the citizens of the aggressor would feel the pain of the thefts their government engages in . . . and might even go so far as to oppose them.

Opposing wars is a direct attack on the profits of both government minions and the wealthy who buy them. Therefore, the web must be controlled.

It really is as simple as that, and if you are truely patriotic for humanity, you will fight this trend as hard as you can.

www =! 'the internet' (2)

globaljustin (574257) | about 8 months ago | (#46465097)

How has the rise of the web affected your life?

well, an unnecessary abstraction layer in internetworked computing conjured out of thin air by Euro academics for essentially marketing purposes...that hasn't really done jack sh*t for me

now..."the internet"...that's pretty much changed every aspect of my life in some way or another...

December 9th 1968... [wired.com] **that's** the internet's birthday!

but its not a communal decision (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 8 months ago | (#46465121)

Bandwidth and CPU power have increased to the point where pervasive surveillance is achievable by government bodies. That will never change, unless you use a new Internet - which will run on the same compromised layer-1 system.

How about... (2)

DiEx-15 (959602) | about 8 months ago | (#46465231)

How about the following:

1) Tell the NSA to GTFO. They are officially ban hammered.
2) The government, ISPs, MAFIAAs, etc. keep their damned hands off the internet. Any attempt to meddle with it gains them a horse whipping that gets televised for the whole world to see.
3) Any ISP getting a hair-brained notion to do crap like "two-tiered" internet gets everybody from the CEO down to the janitor horse whipped. Severely. On Television.
4) Everybody and anybody can get internet and has more than one ISP to chose from. If an ISP has a monopoly, they either get a competitor or get a horse whipping that puts the one in #3 to shame every day until they do. Televised, of course.

Re:How about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46466171)

Great new employment scheme - horse whips & horse whippers! Of course, a cat o' nine tails might really be warranted in the more extreme cases...

Users' rights? (1)

peppepz (1311345) | about 8 months ago | (#46465277)

Sir, by accepting to partition the Web into a subset for the customers of Google, Adobe, Apple and Microsoft and another subset for everyone else, you have lost any credibility to my eyes when you're talking about my rights online.

Government surveillance? The technology you have supported can be the best means to bring more surveillance to the web - for instance, by allowing you to view certain subsets of the web only if you're using a proprietary browser with spyware built-in.

Magna Carta? (1)

Rydia (556444) | about 8 months ago | (#46465425)

So what he's saying is that we should all grab our botnets and assault Al Gore (the king of the internet), forcing him to give rights to those of us who own servers?

. . . I'm OK with this.

I'm not (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46465625)

Much as I loath Al Gore, I shall pledge my server to his cause.

I expect to be created a Viscount at the least as a result.

Hello Tim Berners-Lee, (1)

cmturner2 (1614831) | about 8 months ago | (#46465781)

Please write your Web Magna Carta, and I will sign it.

This from... (1)

FuzzNugget (2840687) | about 8 months ago | (#46465851)

...the guy who's pushing for Hollywood's control of the web? Something is amiss.

not just government (2)

bouldin (828821) | about 8 months ago | (#46465963)

Why do people seem to think governments are the only threat to our rights in this space?

Large corporations already watch and log everything they can about you. Not just your metadata, but what you do (deep packet inspection), where you are (location-based services), what you buy (sharing all your transactions with "affiliates"), and what you say (facebook messages, etc).

What's worse, this data is all legally their property (at least in the U.S.), so they can basically do whatever they want with it, sell it, store it, give it to the government in exchange for favors, or worse. AFAIK, you cant even demand to see what they are keeping on file for you.

Their capabilities are not just passive, either. They can control what services you can access (now that net neutrality is dead), gouge you financially with little justification (credit ratings are based on proprietary algorithms), open you to barrages of advertisement, trick you into legal commitments you dont understand (do you have $500 to have a lawyer review that EULA?), and guess what? Government provides all the tools to enforce all of this. And you pay for ALL of it.

As long as we are using analogies from EU history, the government is a neutered king who lives far away and you rarely feel his presence. Big Business is the nobility who owns all the land, controls all the food, hoards all the money, and controls your life on a day-to-day basis. Like an indentured servant, you have no choice to participate and hand over most of the fruits of your labor. What are you going to do - stop buying things and stop having a job?

I'll head off one criticism of what I'm saying. This is not conspiracy theory, because there is no conspiracy necessary. This is a system, and most of what I've said above is just legal fact.

Unlike your government, you can not participate in corporate governance, you can't request meeting minutes under FOIA, internal rules and policies are rarely published. You have no voice except your dollars (and many industries are so anticompetitive you really have little choice).

Maybe big business has all this opportunity but doesnt take advantage of it. Do you think so?

It was far better before you all came along (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 8 months ago | (#46466335)

But that's just my humble opinion.

The Web is a big prize (1)

Beeftopia (1846720) | about 8 months ago | (#46466389)

The Web (and Internet) enable the free flow of information. Up till recently, the way to distribute information was radio, television and print. There is huge money and power in controlling the flow of information. Frankly, I'm surprised the Internet has not been more locked down and controlled yet.

Rest assured that it is in the sights of politicians and big business. So, something like a Web Magna Carta would be quite a useful document. At least talking about the concept of trying to keep the Internet unfettered is a starting point. Because an unfettered Internet will go away otherwise. There's just too much money and power in it.

I still want a sign 1.5m above the ground . . . (2)

mmell (832646) | about 8 months ago | (#46466665)

"--- You must be this intelligent to ride the internet."

magna carta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46466797)

Personally think it more important to get the real Magna Carta back in to UK law. Have a Google/wiki on the topic - this important (but admittedly not perfect) basis of freedoms in society has been silently removed from UK law over the last 100 years, without mandate from the people. I'd argue this was not legal in common law (should anyone care to listen).
Understand many here may be in USA - whilst I'm not jealous of much of your society, I am growing somewhat envious of your constitutional rights - whilst not perfect either remember in the UK our closet thing (Magna Carta) has been taken from us.
Sort the internet after basic human rights, I'd suggest ... (but yes I am for net neutrality broadly).

Like our Constitution, in other words... (1)

Applehu Akbar (2968043) | about 8 months ago | (#46467277)

...but one that even governments would have to abide by?

Something like this would be impossible to enforce (and by whom?), but it could serve as a point of moral reference, like the Hays Code. we could even set up a private body, say a crowdsourced wiki tribunal, that could act as a clearinghouse for violation reports so we could net-smae those we saw as violators.

Or failing that, issue a set of black robes to the nine Slashdotters with the highest karma in each given year, then have them vote on each case.

done (1)

Tom (822) | about 8 months ago | (#46468337)

There was a declaration of independence for the Internet some 10 or 15 years ago. Anyone remember it and got a link?

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