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VLC Finally Launches App For Windows 8

timothy posted about 8 months ago | from the happy-ending-forever dept.

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SmartAboutThings writes "After a long journey of more than one year, which included even a successfully ended Kickstarter campaign, the VLC app for Windows 8 is officially here. VLC for Windows 8 is currently in beta, and it lacks some important features, such as the ability to open music files or support for Windows RT devices. On the good side, VLC for Windows 8 supports the same codecs as the VLC application for desktop, from MPEG-1 to H.265, through WMV3 and VC-1; it also supports multiple-audio tracks selection, embedded subtitles, background audio playback, Live Tiles, removable storage and DLNA servers."

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great news. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478403)

I'm really excited to take a look at this; it's been a missing tool in my windows 8 kit.

Re:great news. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478429)

If you're using Windows 8 you have a missing tool in your decision making kit.

Re:great news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478497)

YOU'RE a missing tool!

Re:great news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478559)

I know you are, but what am I?

Plus, Windows 8 sucks. The End. HA HA, NO TOUCHBACKS!

Re:great news. (1)

crowaust (2510500) | about 8 months ago | (#46479715)

Can't be a Tool, Tools are useful :P

Re:great news. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478763)

Seriously? As if stupid comments like this are going to make me suddenly decide that "oh, no, this incredibly stable uptime that I've had with Win8 is nothing but a sham. I really haven't had any problems with any programs and the non-crashes have been nothing but my imagination."

There's nothing wrong with Win8 for the casual and hobbyist. It runs. It runs fine. I get a 12-15 second boot time minus bios post and password entry. The OS is a good piece of work.

Re:great news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478929)

Sometimes, when I talk to myself, I like to pretend I'm a girl.

Re:great news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46479221)

I like to pretend I'm a girl.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Re:great news. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46479135)

> There's nothing wrong with Win8 for the casual and hobbyist.
Except not having a sane UI for a desktop or laptop, right.

> It runs. It runs fine.
Yes, like every single OS out there, unless you're doing it wrong.

> I get a 12-15 second boot time minus bios post and password entry. The OS is a good piece of work.
You know you're a shill when the best thing you can say about an OS is that it boots quickly. I mean, I'm sure it's great for people like you who spend their days rebooting. For the rest of us who reboot on patch Tuesday, this represents a 10 second gain or so once a month, or 2 whole minutes per year! Just too bad the counter-productive fisher-price UI kills more than that per day...

Re:great news. (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | about 8 months ago | (#46479691)

The Fisher Price UI insult is aimed at XP, not Windows 8. And as long as you don't use any Metro apps, the Windows 8 UI works just fine for desktops and laptops. I don't stare at the start screen for hours on end just like you don't stare at the start menu for hours on end.

Re:great news. (1, Troll)

Thanosius (3519547) | about 8 months ago | (#46479797)

Funny how Linux users and distros a few years back were hyped up about the push towards faster and faster boot times and made a habit of announcing improvements towards it. When someone makes a point of how the new Windows version is faster than the old... you call the a shill? Do you realize how pathetic you look?

Fucking Linux users, negative as always.

Re:great news. (1)

davester666 (731373) | about 8 months ago | (#46479203)

it doesn't crash, but it frustrates the hell out of me whenever I try to use it [I primarily use MacOSX]. maybe if I spent a bunch of time training myself to memorize where all the hidden stuff is, it might get close to the frustration level of WinXP.

Re:great news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46479251)

And OSX frustrates the hell out of me when I use that. But I'm not going around telling OSX users their OS is crap. So stfu and stick to OSX please. I'll keep happily using Windows 8 thank you very much.

Re:great news. (1)

davester666 (731373) | about 8 months ago | (#46479293)

I didn't say it was crap. I said it didn't crash [which most people view as a positive] and that using it frustrates me [which most people interpret as a personal opinion and not an attack on all other users].

Re:great news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46479785)

You indirectly said it was inferior to XP.

Re:great news. (1)

davester666 (731373) | about 8 months ago | (#46479865)

yes, but you can only infer from my post that Windows 8 is crap IF you [the reader] first believe that Windows XP was crap.

Re:great news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46480221)

IF you [the reader] first believe that Windows XP was crap.

It wasn't?

Re:great news. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46479381)

No, it isn't a good piece of work. I've had to replace more hard drives on computers running Windows 8 then I have for systems running XP, Vista and 7 combined. I have had Windows 8 run an "Automatic System Repair" at start up when the system was just shut down cleanly. I've had it boot to System Recovery mode for no reason. I've even had it lose files between reboots for no discernible reason. That's not to mention random crashes, lock ups and other odd glitches.

Windows 8 is the most fussy OS I've ever had the misfortune of supporting. I've been running a consulting business for 4 years and been doing corporate IT for over 10. In that time, I've never had the number of problems that Windows 8 has demonstrated.

Before you think that I'm sticking my customers with bad equipment, the problems I've encountered have presented on custom builds with ASUS mainboards and Intel CPUs, Dell Latitudes and Optiplexs, Acer Veritons and HP Envy towers. There's no rhyme or reason to it other than Windows 8 keeps doing stupid stuff. It's gotten to the point that I might start charging customers a Windows 8 support surcharge just because of the extra time it takes to deal with it.

Re:great news. (1)

ichthus (72442) | about 8 months ago | (#46479911)

Each and every one of your arguments in favor of Windows 8 would also be applicable to DOS. Uptime? Stability? Yes, good... welcome to the last decade of operating systems. How about usability?

Which alternative were you thinking of? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 8 months ago | (#46479277)

So what tool are the majority of people missing? The only alternatives I can see to buying a laptop that ships with Windows 8.1 are A. a Mac, B. obscure Linux laptop manufacturers like System76, C. using an oversized smartphone with a Bluetooth keyboard, or D. being stuck at a desk. Which were you thinking of?

Re:Which alternative were you thinking of? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46479547)

ohhh, I don't know, how about.... Windows 7? Metro can go suck a donkey wang. If I wanted to use a cell phone interface I'd pull out the computer that's in my freakin pocket.

Re:Which alternative were you thinking of? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 8 months ago | (#46479647)

The other AC said "If you're using Windows 8". Classic Shell makes Windows 8.1 look enough like Windows 7 that you forget it even has "a cell phone interface".

Re:Which alternative were you thinking of? (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 8 months ago | (#46480001)

Alternative? Putting Win7 (or linux) on decent hardware and pissing off the navigation by hidden easter egg shit that currently infests it.
Also Lenovo sell laptops with Win7 as the default choice pre-installed. Is that mainstream enough?

Re:great news. (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 8 months ago | (#46478949)

I'm making a note here. Huge Success!

Re:great news. (1)

bagman1673 (1120469) | about 8 months ago | (#46480005)

I'm really excited to take a look at this; it's been a missing tool in my windows 8 kit.

There's a windows 8 kit now? wtf?

Apps (3, Insightful)

Tmackiller (959837) | about 8 months ago | (#46478405)

Does anyone NOT using a touchscreen device use apps on windows 8? I've been running VLC for Windows since I got Win8, just after it came out and had no problems with it as a traditional program, in fact it's the only media player I use for video. Isn't this a waste of developer's time? Why won't microsoft give up on apps and tiles? 8 isn't THAT bad without them...

Re:Apps (5, Insightful)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 8 months ago | (#46478439)

Because apps and tiles are a vital part of their strategy. They are putting out these features everyone hates right now,because doing so establishes them as something in Microsoft's long-term interest. They've seen how profitable an app store can be, and how it can be used to promote other services like media sales. They want in on that game, and a consistant cross-platform interface may be a vital advantage in their desperate but unsuccessful struggle to become a serious player in the mobile space.

Re:Apps (2)

Tmackiller (959837) | about 8 months ago | (#46478539)

They may want to take a market share in mobile devices, but do you see MacOSX putting Tiles and Apps on their desktop devices? No. Marketing Department sshould be fired.

Re:Apps (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 8 months ago | (#46478621)

No one said Microsoft actually knew how to gain market share. The old tools of threatening OEMs with a fate worse than death don't work any more, so Redmond is a bit of a fish out of water.

Re:Apps (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 8 months ago | (#46480013)

The old tools of threatening OEMs with a fate worse than death don't work any more,

It looks very much like that's what happened to ASUS yet again recently. Their "transformer" tablets now run that Win8 shit despite them (anecdotally) selling more slowly with that than the android ones did.

Re:Apps (2)

Mashiki (184564) | about 8 months ago | (#46479659)

but do you see MacOSX putting Tiles and Apps on their desktop devices?

That's because the marketing dept., hasn't figured out how to spin it as the next new hot thing. Like round corners.

Re:Apps (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 8 months ago | (#46478977)

You're telling the truth with all seriousness and yet you are modded as Funny...

Re:Apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478533)

Metro+WirelessKeyboard+WiiMote = great experience on a TV

What driver? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 8 months ago | (#46479283)

I'm interested. What driver do you need to install to use a Wii Remote with a Windows 8.1 PC?

Re:Apps (2)

vux984 (928602) | about 8 months ago | (#46478607)

Does anyone NOT using a touchscreen device use apps on windows 8?

Yes. It is pretty good on a home theatre PC. The start screen is infinitely better from the couch then the old start menu, and the apps (like netflix, and the video player are easier to operate as well - both to see the controls, and to operate)

I've been looking forward to VLC for a while. As the included video player app displays ads in some circumstances and I find it offensive.

I'd also really like a good free open source file browser app.

Overall, I agree there's few apps I'd want on a desktop laptop, but media playback / management for photos, video, music, etc... apps tend to work very well. Basically for situations where you generally want to single task full screen something anyway, the apps are great.

Re:Apps (1)

Kalriath (849904) | about 8 months ago | (#46479099)

A file browser likely can't be done, since apps are sandboxed.

Folder picker (1)

tepples (727027) | about 8 months ago | (#46479301)

A file browser likely can't be done, since apps are sandboxed.

The operating system itself has a FolderPicker [microsoft.com] that lets the user choose to add a particular path to the application's sandbox. If the user chooses to add an entire Videos folder, then the application can retain this entire folder as one of 1,000 items in the application's sandbox [microsoft.com] .

Re:Apps (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46479101)

XBMC rocks on a HTPC, both with a remote and an air mouse. Also, MPC-HC is a far better video player than VLC in every way.

Re:Apps (1)

Tmackiller (959837) | about 8 months ago | (#46479237)

Get an internet TV, and a network harddrive, samsung does a great one - it has a file browser. Using an entire computer for a media centre is sacrilege, if you love the tiles and apps so much, get an xbox and use that, XboxOne's kinect voice controls actually work quite well. The point I was trying to make was that metro is ergonomically retarded for a desktop or laptop. Fuck your metro Fanboyishness (sp), you're making excuses by saying it's good at something it was never made to do, but agreeing with the fact that it's awful at what it is supposed to do.

PC does what Xbox don't (1)

tepples (727027) | about 8 months ago | (#46479317)

Using an entire computer for a media centre is sacrilege

Unless you want to play things that don't work on an Xbox One, such as audio and video in Free formats, audio and video in obscure formats, or indie games whose developer is still seeking a publisher on Xbox One.

Re:Apps (2)

vux984 (928602) | about 8 months ago | (#46479901)

Get an internet TV

Yuck. Do not want. I do have one, but i refuse to connect it to the network.

Using an entire computer for a media centre is sacrileg

Did I say that's all I do with it? It acts as a fileserver for the house, and has steam on it, (big picture mode also works pretty well from the couch)

if you love the tiles and apps so much, get an xbox and use that,

What microsofts pay-to-use-internet ad-ridden version of not-really-windows? No thanks. I don't have or want an xbox.

XboxOne's kinect voice controls actually work quite well.

No thanks.

The point I was trying to make was that metro is ergonomically retarded for a desktop or laptop.

Its fine for single tasking full screen apps - even on a desktop or laptop, but I agree that's a distinct minority of what *I* do with either of those, while its nearly all I do with the HTPC.

Fuck your metro Fanboyishness (sp),

Get real. I'm not Metro fanboi. I like it for what its good at.

you're making excuses by saying it's good at something it was never made to do,

No, I'm just saying it IS actually quite good at something that quite a few people do, even if that wasn't really what it was designed for. Its also decent as a phone OS. I certainly don't see it taking over the desktop, but being -able- to run it there isn't a bad thing.

but agreeing with the fact that it's awful at what it is supposed to do.

I'm honestly not sure what Microsoft thought it was supposed to do on the desktop. Did they really expect to see accountants running their accounting program, email, and excel sheets as full screen apps and swiping between them? Surely they aren't that dense... they could have just looked over an accountants shoulder...after all.

Re:Apps (2)

luther349 (645380) | about 8 months ago | (#46478697)

yea i just serviced a windows 8 box that was infected. i go to the control panel wtf no real settings. i go to metro can find a setting tiles or even a app tile there hidden in the next window but ok. i finely figure out i had to hover the left side to get the settings

Re:Apps (1)

Bozzio (183974) | about 8 months ago | (#46478739)

Finely, a reasonable criticism of Windows 8.

Re:Apps (0)

SeaFox (739806) | about 8 months ago | (#46480143)

yea i just serviced a windows 8 box that was infected. i go to the control panel wtf no real settings. i go to metro can find a setting tiles or even a app tile there hidden in the next window but ok. i finely figure out i had to hover the left side to get the settings

Why are you servicing Windows 8 computers when you clearly know nothing about them?

Re:Apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46480167)

People pay well for confident incompetence.

Re:Apps (1)

Kalriath (849904) | about 8 months ago | (#46479095)

Because the whole point of writing VLC for Windows 8 was so they could port libvlc to Windows 8, which means that it can potentially run on Windows Phone and Windows RT without modification. They haven't done a phone app yet, but this release can run on Windows RT as well.

Also, it's open source. So others can leverage the work they did for media playback on Windows Store apps.

For the tablets (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | about 8 months ago | (#46479813)

They're bothering because it got kickstarted, so they kind of have to follow through, and more importantly, people want it on Windows RT so they can play ripped movies on their tablet since it doesn't have a DVD/BluRay drive.

Re:Apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46479907)

They have a shockingly good weather app, but aside from that, I don't use any of their apps.

Usually, if a program has a Windows 8 app, they have removed under the hood features that I need. Skype is a prime example. Fuck the app version of Skype, I need to be able to manage my logins.

I wish they chose a different name (2)

s.petry (762400) | about 8 months ago | (#46478461)

Shows my age, but every time I see this acronym I see "VCL". [wikipedia.org] and not VLC.

Re:I wish they chose a different name (1)

Kalriath (849904) | about 8 months ago | (#46479113)

I tend to think Visual Component Library.

No V-Sync (2)

aybiss (876862) | about 8 months ago | (#46478481)

Just like the Windows 7/Vista version, VLC will again prove itself the most useless media player available by still not having V-Sync.

Re:No V-Sync (2)

ichthus (72442) | about 8 months ago | (#46478579)

And yet, somehow, it still works great for millions of users.

Re:No V-Sync (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478671)

You do realize that that vast majority of movies and TV are filmed at a whopping 24 fps, right?

Adding vsync would be a waste of time for 99% of real-world use cases.

Re:No V-Sync (1)

Zedrick (764028) | about 8 months ago | (#46478699)

What's V-Sync and how is VLC useless if everything I play in it looks great?

Re:No V-Sync (1)

uCallHimDrJ0NES (2546640) | about 8 months ago | (#46478723)

You mean you see tearing when you watch video files? Like the way bad in-game movie playback does?

Re:No V-Sync (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about 8 months ago | (#46478845)

Nope. Can't say that I've ever encountered this on VLC on any platform.

Re:No V-Sync (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46479145)

That's because you're playing 24fps video on a 60Hz monitor. If all your videos were - say - 150fps, then you'd get tearing and have a reason to complain about lack of vsync.

Re:No V-Sync (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | about 8 months ago | (#46480073)

Tearing can happen when the frame rate is lower than the screen refresh rate. All it means is that the frame is updated mid screen refresh. Triple buffering can resolve tearing for frame rates lower than the monitor refresh rate at the cost of input lag.

Re:No V-Sync (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | about 8 months ago | (#46479817)

I get quite a bit of tearing with VLC on my Win 7 HTPC.

Costs money (3, Insightful)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about 8 months ago | (#46478485)

So let me get this straight.

On my Windows 8.1 desktop, I can get VLC for free
In the world of Metro, I can get the same app for $3.99
Same device and everything.

I understand the need to recoup some funds for developing this, but..... why bother when the desktop version is free?
What does the metro version really get you?
Do RT users really matter?

Re:Costs money (2)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | about 8 months ago | (#46478555)

I understand the need to recoup some funds for developing this, but..

To add to your but, I give you:

But...
https://www.kickstarter.com/pr... [kickstarter.com]

why bother when the desktop version is free?
What does the metro version really get you?

I asked that question elsewhere, and the response I got was - after I explicitly said people shouldn't start talking about 'touch interface', considering you can slap a touch interface on a desktop app just fine and you would never be able to tell - 'touch interface'.

Aside from that, though.. Windows RT devices - since you can only install out of the app store on those, and that means you have to develop for that.

Do RT users really matter?

Maybe. Apparently there are some people enthusiastic about the Surface that wouldn't consider just getting a Surface Pro. Of course, an RT version is exactly what hasn't happened. Maybe developing the app for x86 first is easier and then porting to RT should be a breeze - I don't know. But there's certainly no good reason whatsoever to be using the Metro ('modern', whatever they want to call it) version of VLC on a desktop/laptop, with or without a touchscreen, especially when you keep in mind that this version is quite buggy and incomplete.

Re:Costs money (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about 8 months ago | (#46478915)

Porting to RT (ARM) is ongoing. The problem is that GCC doesn't know how to target Win32-THUMB2, and VLC doesn't compile under MSVC yet. They're looking at solving both of those problems, and will go with whichever one bears fruit sooner.

Personally, I hope for the former. GCC being able to target RT would allow us (the users of jailbroken RT devices, which are basically low-power Windows laptop/tablet things with great battery life but you have to re-compile native apps) to port a bunch more open-source software. An awful lot of OSS only builds under GCC and its ilk, so while porting to RT is nominally very easy (in Visual Studio, it's mostly a matter of changing a drop-down in Platform Configuration), many of the apps we have source code to can't be ported without a lot of work.

It's worth noting that .NET apps don't need to be modified at all in most cases (even if they use P/Invoke, it works fine), and we have runtimes for Python, Java, Perl, Ruby, and more. It's just the native code that's a pain. Dynamic recompilation to x86 sort of works - there's even a tool that does it transparently when you try to run an x86 EXE - but it's slow as hell on ARM.

Oh, and one other reason to port it to RT: Once you've ported to WinRT (the API set used for Store/"Metro" apps) and to THUMB-2 (the instruction set Microsoft uses on ARM processors), you can port to WP8 as well. *That* would be a real boon; there are probably a lot more WP8 devices than Windows RT devices, and having VLC on them would be great.

Re:Costs money (1)

Arker (91948) | about 8 months ago | (#46478923)

There's simply no reason to use Metro, period.

The fact that someone actually went through the trouble to to produce this monstrosity is mind-boggling. But I guess it's their time and money so it's their decision.

Reason to use Metro (1)

tepples (727027) | about 8 months ago | (#46479349)

There's simply no reason to use Metro, period.

"Simply no reason" is strong words. On an x86-64 PC that comes with Windows 8 or 8.1, you need to use Metro to A. create or modify user accounts, or B. switch to the desktop to download and install Classic Shell. But that's about it.

Re:Reason to use Metro (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46479453)

Nope.

A. You can create or modify user accounts in Computer Management or Control Panel, both are on the Win+X menu.
B. Desktop is on the Win+X menu.

The Win+X menu is what you get when you right click on the lower left corner of the screen or press Win+X.

There's simply no reason to use Metro, period.

Re:Reason to use Metro (1)

Arker (91948) | about 8 months ago | (#46479569)

Yeah, someone beat me to it, but anytime I see Metro I use a keyboard shortcut and I get back to work.

I suppose I actually do use it in a sense though - as that is where windows search has gone. But again I am hardly using that unusable excuse for an interface, it's just win-foobar on the keyboard and go.

I still find it funny that in 2014 Microsoft has now decided to sell an OS that is only usable from the keyboard, but it doesnt slow me down at all.

Re:Costs money (4, Funny)

ichthus (72442) | about 8 months ago | (#46478585)

Do RT users really matter?

I'm sure both of them would say, "Yes!"

Re:Costs money (1)

gman003 (1693318) | about 8 months ago | (#46479733)

Wait, when did Windows RT's marketshare double?

Re:Costs money (1)

vux984 (928602) | about 8 months ago | (#46478635)

In the world of Metro, I can get the same app for $3.99

http://apps.microsoft.com/wind... [microsoft.com]

Says its free? Is there a plan to charge 3.99 at some point? I'm confused.

Re:Costs money (1)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about 8 months ago | (#46478649)

Funny. I'm getting "Buy" or "Try" from the Windows store for $3.49

Could be that I'm in Australia, and not only do we get ripped off on all technology products... but free apps as well!

Re:Costs money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478823)

Are you sure it's not the VCL another poster mentioned above that you are actually seeing? :)

Re:Costs money (2)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about 8 months ago | (#46479007)

STOP THE PRESSES.

I was looking at some scam app in the Windows Store on my Windows 8.1 machine.
It's getting preference over the real VLC and they're using the same VLC icon.

*SIGH*

Re:Costs money (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 8 months ago | (#46479019)

Odd. It says "for the WinRT platform" but also says supported processors are "x86, x64".

Re:Costs money (2)

cbhacking (979169) | about 8 months ago | (#46479315)

"WinRT" != "Windows RT". This is even discussed in the linked article (yeah, yeah).

Microsoft's branding people should be lined up along a wall, beaten with baseball bats, shot, and then pitched out a fifth-story window onto rusted spikes. OK, maybe that's excessive. There's no need to waste the bullets.

WinRT is an API set, intended for use with "Windows Store apps" (a.k.a. "Metro" or "Modern" apps). It is intended to be sandbox-friendly (for example, having functions to let the user pick a file via a trusted, out-of-process component), battery-friendly (apps are notified when no longer in the foreground, and by default suspend themselves), touch-friendly (you can do the UI in a number of ways, but the standard ways use the "Metro" paradigm with big, swipe-able screens), and responsive (the default behavior is for anything which is likely to block for a while - such as accessing network resources - to be moved of the UI thread). WinRT is usable on x86, x64, and ARM. You can code for it in C++, .NET, or JavaScript.

Windows RT is an operating system, an edition of Windows 8 (or now of Windows 8.1) compiled for ARM processors. Aside from the target architecture and a feature set somewhere between the normal and Pro x86 editions (it includes some stuff like BitLocker that the normal edition didn't have at least in 8.0, but is otherwise not very Pro-ish), and the removal of a bunch of legacy compatibility stuff, it's very much a straightforward port. The main difference from a user's perspective is that in RT, Windows enforces signature validation on all binaries loaded outside of an app sandbox, preventing third-party "desktop" programs from running. RT 8.0 was "jailbroken" to remove this restriction; it's just a kernel-mode flag that if changed, reverts the OS to basically just another Win8 platform. Windows RT can run Windows Store apps just fine, so long as they're written in an architecture-independent language (JS, or anything on the .NET framework) or are compiled for the THUMB-2 instruction set that Microsoft uses on ARM.

VLC is being ported to Windows RT as we speak. The port to the WinRT platform means they just need to re-compile it for RT (ARM). Unfortunately, while this should be simple, VLC doesn't currently compile under MSVC and GCC doesn't know how to target Windows RT. The VLC team is tackling both of these problems; fixing either one will let them proceed with the port. (Personally, I hope they fix the latter one; there's a lot of open-source software we could port to jailbroken RT except that it only compiles under GCC and GCC doesn't know how to target Win32/THUMB-2 yet.)

Re:Costs money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478731)

From what I've been reading, RT is unlikely to be offered for very long. It's been rather unsuccessful.

Re:Costs money (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 8 months ago | (#46478989)

Even if it were free, you'd still be required to get a Microsoft ID to download the free app.
I used to bitch about this, but now suddenly this is the case in OS X Mavericks also (the "optional" apple id is required to get the free xcode command line tools), so evil is everywhere. Up next I predict a Linux ID ("totally free, trust us, I don't know why you paranoid people aren't signing up with your personal information!").

Ubuntu Single Sign On (1)

tepples (727027) | about 8 months ago | (#46479369)

Up next I predict a Linux ID

You need to create a Canonical account [ubuntu.com] to use some of the optional online features of Ubuntu, such as Ubuntu One backup, paid applications in Ubuntu Software Center, and participation in Ubuntu Forums and Launchpad.

Re:Ubuntu Single Sign On (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 8 months ago | (#46479721)

Late to respond to this, because I face-palmed myself so hard I passed out.

Re:Costs money (4, Informative)

ljw1004 (764174) | about 8 months ago | (#46479137)

??? VLC on win8 is free! At least, it was free when I downloaded it an hour ago.

There were a load of FALSE vlc apps on the store for $3.49 and $3.99, with similar branding, trying to scam money. Did you get suckered by one of these?

Re:Costs money (1)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about 8 months ago | (#46479625)

I didn't buy them, but they were the first things that appeared when you do a search for vlc on the Windows Store.

We could discuss the amount of crap on the windows store that Microsoft lets on there, but....

Re:Costs money (1)

Bozzio (183974) | about 8 months ago | (#46479743)

... or we could discuss how you got tricked by an obvious scam.

Re:Costs money (3, Informative)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about 8 months ago | (#46479807)

...or rather how Windows Store gave the greenlight to a scam app, and put it first on the list of apps above the real one.

Re:Costs money (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 8 months ago | (#46480153)

...or rather how Windows Store gave the greenlight to a scam app, and put it first on the list of apps above the real one.

Which is truly a serious problem.

VLC is free on Metro. (1)

westlake (615356) | about 8 months ago | (#46479481)

On my Windows 8.1 desktop, I can get VLC for free
In the world of Metro, I can get the same app for $3.99

I went out and successfully installed the free VLC Modern app through the Windows store while trying to make sense of your post.

Maybe this is the year.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478491)

That Windows 8 will be ready for the desktop...

Everything is now called an (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478503)

App

And in other news (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478583)

And in other news, VLC takes the stand as most monumental waste of effort and time, taking it from the previous recent champions Microsoft with Windows 8.1.

Re:And in other news (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46478673)

Wouldn't VLC supporting Linux be an even bigger waste of time, since it only has 10% of the users as Windows 8? Oh wait, you're a stupid zealot, you'll never understand.

MY TESTMONY (-1, Offtopic)

Richson Ruth (3576661) | about 8 months ago | (#46478781)

I was a HIV-AIDS patient and I got it from cheating on my husband. It was sort of a payback but a week later I was told by a friend that the person who I cheated with had the HIV-AIDS virus and did not tell me. I was so stupid by not using a condom I thought since he was an old school friend he was trustworthy. But I was wrong. I cried and cried. Two days later, I got a phone call from my friend and she told me about a person who is known by another friend, who can help me. I could not let my husband know what I was going through. I finally got his email maduraitemple@yahoo.com and I text this man my story and he replied me immediately saying i should be calm and told me that everything will be OK. I could not come to terms with what I was hearing but then I concluded it did not matter because I was so broken up I just needed help. I was going out of my mind literally. I was confused with what he was telling me, but I listened. He told me about some materials i need to buy that he needed to cast the spell and I said OK. I bought the materials to him,i sent down my picture to him and my positive result sheet and he replied me that i am going to be negative under 3 days.I message Him every 2hours for 2day and I knew he thought that I was crazy but I did care I needed a shoulder.Behold,the third day he messaged me i should go for a test that i will be negative. My marriage could be broken because of a stupid mistake and my life was on the line. I remembered when I was going to get the results of my re-test I called him up again and told him that I was going to get my results today and his reply was “so" and that everything will be as he explained. I knew then that he was getting tired of me calling him, maybe I was wrong. Well I got my results and the first person I called up was him - again. As he said hello I started to cry and cry. I could not believe it. I was given a second chance in life.This man is a great spiritual HIV/AIDS healer,his healing spell on aids healing is very powerfull.please brothers and sister,contact:Dr MADURAI Email maduraitemple@yahoo.com

Re:MY TESTMONY (1)

vivek7006 (585218) | about 8 months ago | (#46478851)

Wow! This is taking trolling to a whole new level. I salute you!

Re:MY TESTMONY (1)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about 8 months ago | (#46479029)

It's the scam app that costs money, and it's getting preference in the Windows store above the real VLC. Ripping off the same witches-hat icon and everything.

Maybe you can mod my original post down?

Only useful for tablets (1)

Thanosius (3519547) | about 8 months ago | (#46478917)

The purpose of this app is to provide capable media playback on Metro-focused devices - specifically, tablets. Except for the Microsoft fanboys on Neowin.net, most people who want to use VLC on a desktop/laptop will continue doing so with the main VLC program, particularly since it's free compared to the Metro version. It's also interesting that the RT version is non-existent, considering Windows RT is tablet exclusive and if you'd want a Metro-built media player for anything, it'd be Windows RT. One more nail in the coffin I suppose.

Re:Only useful for tablets (2)

cbhacking (979169) | about 8 months ago | (#46479321)

The "Metro" version is also free. The non-free apps are scams.

Re:Only useful for tablets (1)

Thanosius (3519547) | about 8 months ago | (#46479775)

Huh, you're right, I just checked. I could have sworn I read how it cost (or would cost, once out of beta) a couple of bucks, but it's possible that was misreported somewhere or my mind got scrambled. I apologize for that.

BUT WHY??? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46479123)

No one uses Windows 8, right?!!

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/31.1.0.0 Safari/537.36

Huh. I guess I do.

3D support? (1)

able1234au (995975) | about 8 months ago | (#46479413)

What about 3D screen support for VLC? I haven't been able to get that working. I am using Windows 8.1 and NVIDIA with a shutter style glasses and 120MHz screen.

I have used Microsoft sense dos ver 1.1 (1)

Ralph Ostrander (2846785) | about 8 months ago | (#46479895)

I hat Win 8 so bad that I will not buy another MS Windows Product Me Vista I have had it. I have put a VM of Maverics and Apple Mac Pro is in my future. I really am done.

back compatibility question. (1)

volvox_voxel (2752469) | about 8 months ago | (#46480275)

Is it possible to run windows 7 apps on windows 8 ? ..Is there an easy means to click on a file and tell it to install it as if it was running on windows 7? I have been a long-time windows user, and like the overall user experience and graphics, but it does give me pause about much easier it is to run old programs in Linux. It's been my experience that you can get programs going from 10+ years ago because you have the source you can build from.. I maintain many old boxes for software/hardware compatibility reasons (95,98,2000,XP,Win7). I installed a virtual machine in windows 7, only to find that my video card didn't have an XP driver other than the default windows one.. How do people handle unsupported hardware in their virtual machines in Windows? Are there ways around them so you can get you "old games" running on a new machine? ..I really like the people at Good Old Games that figured out a way to make a large selection games run on a modern.. I only wish they had more titles. ...We can run old Cobol and Fortran programs from 55+ years ago.. It would be nice to see the same for our modern programs..This is one thing I hope for as computers mature.
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