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Microsoft Confirms It Is Dropping Windows 8.1 Support

Unknown Lamer posted about 6 months ago | from the little-orphan-windows dept.

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snydeq (1272828) writes "Microsoft TechNet blog makes clear that Windows 8.1 will not be patched, and that users must get Windows 8.1 Update if they want security patches, InfoWorld's Woody Leonhard reports. 'In what is surely the most customer-antagonistic move of the new Windows regime, Steve Thomas at Microsoft posted a TechNet article on Saturday stating categorically that Microsoft will no longer issue security patches for Windows 8.1, starting in May,' Leonhard writes. 'Never mind that Windows 8.1 customers are still having multiple problems with errors when trying to install the Update. At this point, there are 300 posts on the Microsoft Answers forum thread 'Windows 8.1 Update 1 Failing to Install with errors 0x80070020, 80073712 and 800F081F.' The Answers forum is peppered with similar complaints and a wide range of errors, from 800F0092 to 80070003, for which there are no solutions from Microsoft. Never mind that Microsoft itself yanked Windows 8.1 Update from the corporate WSUS update server chute almost a week ago and still hasn't offered a replacement.'"

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u wot m8 (5, Informative)

Agent ME (1411269) | about 6 months ago | (#46753417)

Windows 8.1 is no longer supported, so users must update to Windows 8.1?

Re:u wot m8 (5, Informative)

x0ra (1249540) | about 6 months ago | (#46753435)

As I understand it, they must update to "'Windows 8.1 Update 1". A new marketing name for the old "Service Pack" ?

Re:u wot m8 (1)

sublayer (2465650) | about 6 months ago | (#46753455)

As I understand it, they must update to "'Windows 8.1 Update 1". A new marketing name for the old "Service Pack" ?

"Service Pack" itself being a marketing name for "Version 8.1.1"

Re:u wot m8 (1)

Cryacin (657549) | about 6 months ago | (#46753459)

Ah, the old recursive update on the operating system!

Re:u wot m8 (3, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#46753763)

But when will we finally get an update for the update of the update to the update?

Re:u wot m8 (1)

JMJimmy (2036122) | about 6 months ago | (#46753825)

But when will we finally get an update for the update of the update to the update?

When they start supporting Windows 8 - I'm still waiting for it to happen.

Re:u wot m8 (5, Funny)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | about 6 months ago | (#46753479)

Just thank your lucky stars that you're not in Linux-land, or some other godawful free software environment, 'cause you would have to type

>apt-get upgrade

in a terminal. This is obviously way too difficult for any human being, so bless Gates and Ballmer and whoever came after him for letting us not have to type that

Re:u wot m8 (5, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about 6 months ago | (#46753507)

Just thank your lucky stars that you're not in Linux-land, or some other godawful free software environment, 'cause you would have to type

>apt-get upgrade

in a terminal. This is obviously way too difficult for any human being, ...

Don't kid yourself, it would be: apt-get dist-upgrade

Re:u wot m8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753689)

Don't kid yourself, it would be: apt-get dist-upgrade

Because that's just soooooooo logical and user-friendly!

Re:u wot m8 (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753703)

You know what's even more user-friendly?
Just clicking the little update icon in the bottom right corner, entering your root password, and clicking OK.

I know how your type likes to hate on everything Linux without having any clue what you're talking about, but seriously, upgrading your distro isn't rocket science.

Re:u wot m8 (1)

CTU (1844100) | about 6 months ago | (#46753509)

that is not to bad, but say old dos games with dosbox are a PITA to run.A nice Gui works well saves tme and avoids the mess of a spelling error cock blocking system use.

cli (1)

voltorb (2668983) | about 6 months ago | (#46753571)

Most Debian-based distro users would rather use the UI though.

Re:u wot m8 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753601)

Actually "apt-get update" normally breaks things for me. Window updates require a lot of annoying restarts, but at least the GUI comes back. Most of the time when I update one of my linux boxes it completely breaks and then I spend hours trying to figure out what happened. Half the time I give up and do a complete reinstall. I have never had a seemless distro update even though I try it every time (I'm getting good at backing things up) and my current LMDE update says it wants to hold back packages.

This is coming from a CS Masters student who built his own T60p/T61 laptop, has manually updated LCD firmware, uses Unix tools for CS research, writes documents in LaTex, compiled Acme (Plan 9 text editor) on an unsupported architecture, and actively uses Raspbian, Puppy Linux, Linux Mint DE, and Ubuntu.

Re:u wot m8 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753643)

I have upgraded every version of Fedora from 18 to 20 with fedup. So far so good. Nothing broken and everything is so good.

And don't compare windows "update" with GNU/Linux upgrade. You should have tried upgrading from XP to Win7 or Vista to Win 8 before saying that.

If upgrading is so painful, why don't you go for a rolling release?

I switched to Tumbleweed channel three years back in another box and all I do is just update (no upgrades)

Re:u wot m8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753733)

"should have tried upgrading from XP to Win7 or Vista to Win 8 "

That's just crazy talk.

Oh yeah (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753779)

Having things break daily is so much better than having them break every year or so.

I've used linux a lot. Sometimes everything goes smoothly, sometimes not. The thing is, if everything goes well it goes really really well. Well enough to sell linux on the spot to anyone watching. If, on the other hand, something breaks, it usually mean a complete reinstall, or several hours of finding out what broke, and how to fix it so it stays fixed. Now you have a GUI, now you don't. Yes, that program did work before the upgrade, now it doesn't. Does not give you any errors either, just doesn't run. It's a riddle, have fun!

Re:u wot m8 (2)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | about 6 months ago | (#46753793)

If you're a linux prophet, how do you know about windows and upgrading?

I ask this because pert damn near everyone I've worked with over the past 15 years knows that when you move to a new Microsoft release, it's a wipe and reinstall.

And just like Star Trek Movies, every second windows release sucks. XP was great, Vista sucked balls, win 7was ok, win 8 ran for goatse .

(p.s. - never upgrade until the second service pack for the release)

what (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753677)

Uh, where did you get your MSc again...? Reinstall to fix..?

apt-get may leave you with a broken (but chrooteable and fixable) system on Debian only if you have Unstable/Experimental repos enabled, and I hear updates on stables/testings are pretty seamless on Ubuntu/Mint as well.

Re:u wot m8 (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 6 months ago | (#46753753)

Actually "apt-get update" normally breaks things for me. Window updates require a lot of annoying restarts, but at least the GUI comes back. Most of the time when I update one of my linux boxes it completely breaks and then I spend hours trying to figure out what happened. Half the time I give up and do a complete reinstall. I have never had a seemless distro update even though I try it every time [...] actively uses Raspbian, Puppy Linux, Linux Mint DE, and Ubuntu.

Well, there's your problem. Just use Debian.

Re:u wot m8 (1)

sjames (1099) | about 6 months ago | (#46753829)

The only time I've had significant breakage is when I have heavily modified something and hacked it in rather than doing it the right way.

When a new version goes stable, I wait a few days, then dist-upgrade one machine and look it over. Then I upgrade in batches of 6 or so. Never a significant problem.

Doing updates within the same major version is even easier.

Re:u wot m8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753633)

I don't do it in apt-get way...

I do it with zypper!!! ;-)

Re:u wot m8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753651)

Hmmm?

I get an nice window saying there are updates available.
Then I click "Yes" on the button for updates and "No" if i want to do this at an later time.

Oh - and I do not have to update-reboot-next-update-reboot like Windows (or wait endlessly while the 2637352-th update of .net does it lengthly update - and reboot again after that).

Maybe time for you to update to a modern version of Linux?

u wot m8? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753797)

Hmmm?

I get an nice window saying there are updates available.
Then I click "Yes" on the button for updates and "No" if i want to do this at an later time.

Oh - and I do not have to update-reboot-next-update-reboot like Windows 95 (or wait endlessly while the 2637352-th update of .net does it lengthly update - and reboot again after that).

Maybe time for you to update to a modern version of Windows?

-A windows user

Re:u wot m8? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753909)

Hmmm?

I get an nice window saying there are updates available.
Then I click "Yes" on the button for updates and "No" if i want to do this at an later time.

Oh - and I do not have to update-reboot-next-update-reboot like Windows 95 (or wait endlessly while the 2637352-th update of .net does it lengthly update - and reboot again after that).

Maybe time for you to update to a modern version of Windows?

-A windows user

Just another mindless windows sheep.

Re:u wot m8 (2)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about 6 months ago | (#46753833)

Tsk Tsk. You made it too simple.
You have to type
apt-get update
then
apt-get upgrade
then
you have to wait for a prompt and type Y [RETURN]

Re:u wot m8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753533)

isn't this what has always happened then. don't get me wrong i love a chance to get some kicking in on m$ but this seems to be clutching at straws.

Re:u wot m8 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753497)

No, they are caving to the Republicans who are demanding that Microsoft make it harder to make systems secure. Under this new Republican plan, you must install the insecure, nonupdated version of Window then use the proprietary Microsoft update to make it safe. That huge window of opportunity between when the Windows system is first connected to the Internet and when the updates finish after multiple reboots gives the Republican-run NSA an opportunity to install even more backdoors. That is why this is so horrific.

Re:u wot m8 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753695)

Actually, Obama has been responsible for the NSA for the last half dozen years.

Obama has also been responsible for numerous targeted killings.

Re:u wot m8 (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#46753795)

Name one president who hasn't.

Re:u wot m8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753855)

Carter. Maybe.

Re:u wot m8 (2, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about 6 months ago | (#46753759)

well they released an update that you must get to get updates!

just another MS win8 era naming fail. how they can fuck up so badly is a miracle.

(and nevermind that windows 8 is what.. under 2 years old?? and 8.1 is not getting security updates now?? )

Now I Know... (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 6 months ago | (#46753419)

A friend of mine is coming by this arvo for help with his Windows 8.1 laptop which Windows Update apparently broke.

Looks like I have some bad news for him... but at least I know *what* to tell him now. Cheers.

Re:Now I Know... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753537)

Looks like I have some bad news for him...

I dunno, this sounds like good news to me: "since Microsoft can't support their product as required by consumer law you should pack up your piece of shit Windows machine and take it back for a refund, then walk down to the local Apple Store and buy an iMac or a MacBook: they're great mate!"

Re:Now I Know... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753653)

Because encouraging people to buy an overprices iToy is great for the PC market...

Re:Now I Know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753711)

>gaming PC
>not a fucking toy

cool story, but i'll stick to my unix workstation aka mac pro, thanks.

Re:Now I Know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753785)

Whatever you say. I'm sure your pet rock is also just as faithful as a companion as a real dog, too.

Re:Now I Know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753821)

I see you come from 4chan. That explains a few things.

Re:Now I Know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753661)

You can't buy any of those costly apple dildos with the meager refund you are gonna get for win8 laptop!

Re:Now I Know... (1)

kwbauer (1677400) | about 6 months ago | (#46753719)

What are they not supporting? Are you really claiming that they aren't no longer releasing patches for Windows 8.1 unless you patch Windows 8.1?

Is it really valid to claim that an OS vendor cannot require chained updates? That sounds pretty much ridiculous to me.

Re:Now I Know... (4, Insightful)

rtb61 (674572) | about 6 months ago | (#46753581)

Tell him that M$ have done the same old, same old, attempted to correct their failures in the cheapest way possible by shoving the cost back on consumers. Can't get the upgrade to work, suck it up, format, re-install, repatch, re-upgrade and repatch and the restore you back up data, don't have backups, M$ answer to you, well, that's your fault for trusting their software.

Re:Now I Know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753783)

It's not as though that exact same thing doesn't happen when upgrading Linux distros too though.

Zontar: "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753771)

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---

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Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...

---

Why, Lastly?

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APK

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... apk

Wanna give up on these guys yet ? (2)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | about 6 months ago | (#46753423)

"a wide range of errors, from 800F0092 to 80070003, for which there are no solutions from Microsoft."

Story of our Lives. Here we are.

Re:Wanna give up on these guys yet ? (1, Interesting)

jones_supa (887896) | about 6 months ago | (#46753735)

At least it fails gracefully with a clean error code. In Linux world it would show up as a dialog with corrupted text and a mysterious "Invalid argument" error message written in some log. ;)

Re:Wanna give up on these guys yet ? (3, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#46753813)

I wonder what I'd prefer ... clean crash along with the info that there will never be a patch to it, or a segfault where I will no later than 3 days later have a patch delivered... Decisions, decisions...

It's OK for Apple but not Microsoft? (5, Insightful)

plover (150551) | about 6 months ago | (#46753427)

Apple doesn't support more than one version of iOS. If you want to fix a problem with 6.1.2, you get to go to whatever version is current (7.1). You don't get to go to 6.1.3, you don't get to go to 7.0.5 or 7.0.6, you go to 7.1. Your choice is "upgrade or don't."

Nope, not okay for either (2)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | about 6 months ago | (#46753457)

You should be able to upgrade/downgrade/sidegrade to any version that suits your needs

Re:Nope, not okay for either (3, Insightful)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 6 months ago | (#46753493)

and you should accept that down-grading will mean you are vulnerable to any issues later versions have fixed.

Re:Nope, not okay for either (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753737)

and you should accept that down-grading will mean you are vulnerable to any issues later versions have fixed.

What if cars were made like software? Weekly recalls. Mandatory upgrades. Constant security threats, missing parts, putting out fires, and complete control changes for no other reason than marketing. With software we never ever get the product. We pay for it (or not) and it is fixed thousands of times, but never delivers what it was originally promised. Why do we still look at this not-fit-for-purpose culture of programming and decide it is the customer's fault if they don't clean up the mess?

Re:Nope, not okay for either (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#46753847)

And now we know why cars that have a metal value of a few bucks cost thousands, while operating systems can still be found in the three digit range. Of course they can be engineered to the same level of stability and security as cars, but first of all, nobody will pay 10,000 for an OS unless he is a government and doesn't give a shit about money, and second you wouldn't get it sold since your competitor came out with his OS that looks and feels about the same and is a shoddy piece of junk that kinda-sorta runs 3 years ago because you spent those 3 years testing your OS, but his only costs 99 bucks.

The market is at a race to the bottom. Stability? Security? Yeah, they might sell in the car industry where your very life depends on your car's ability to protect you in case of a crash. But a computer crash only means that you're cursing yourself for not saving in time and cursing its maker for delivering such a crappy product, both of which are forgotten 5 minutes later.

Re:Nope, not okay for either (1)

kwbauer (1677400) | about 6 months ago | (#46753725)

And when you write your own OS, feel free to support that model. Nobody is stopping you.

Re:It's OK for Apple but not Microsoft? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753515)

Windows is a desktop OS not a phone OS. Apple still supports as far back as Snow Leapard. Microsoft is a shitty company and if you weren't such a dorky gamer you would just move on to something better.

Okay to conflate mobile with desktop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753539)

Apple is still releasing updates for the Lions, and Microsoft is still releasing updates for Windows 7. WYFP, aside from trying to work in some apple-hippie bashing?

Re:It's OK for Apple but not Microsoft? (5, Insightful)

rsmith-mac (639075) | about 6 months ago | (#46753547)

Well you're comparing phones/appliances to computers, so yes.

Windows has for many years now used a multiple-tier support strategy (the Windows Lifecycle policy [microsoft.com] ). Microsoft supports an OS for 10 years, and during that period if they issue a service pack then they support the previous sub-version of Windows for 2 years. Windows 8.1 Update is about 30% of a service pack; the update contains a number of feature enhancements and on a code level it becomes a "base" OS that all future updates are built against. So unlike a normal security update, you can't skip Windows 8.1 Update and still get other security updates. This in turn can be interpreted as a violation of the Lifecycle Policy, as it's functionally a service pack and therefore Microsoft should continue providing security updates for Windows 8.1 (sans Update) for 2 years.

iOS on the other hand offers no such policy. You are expected to use the most recent version of the OS and Apple has never said any differently, full stop.

Never mind the huge difference between an OS for a disposable device, and an OS for computers that is expected to last for a decade or more and is interfaced with massive amounts of custom hardware and software. Unsurprisingly, the type of device and the expected use case for it is a big factor in how long an OS is supported and how OS updates are handled.

Re:It's OK for Apple but not Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753549)

Windows 8 in any form is a downgrade, not an upgrade.

Re:It's OK for Apple but not Microsoft? (3, Informative)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#46753851)

I dare say it's a close call if you migrate from ME...

Apple still releases security updates for version (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753599)

Yes, apple want you to upgrade to iOS 7, but if you don't want to (or can't because your hardware is too old) they still provide security patches for iOS 6.

The last update was iOS 6.1.6 in Feb:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6146

Re:It's OK for Apple but not Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753911)

Not completely true. They do support earlier versions of iOS, for devices that cannot be upgraded further (like iPad 1, for example). So they patch earlier issues periodically, but the main update stream (as you say) is for the latest devices.

Jeez (5, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | about 6 months ago | (#46753429)

Just patch windows 8.1 with the update. It makes the OS unequivocally better. Whining about it is just silly.

Re:Jeez (5, Informative)

x0ra (1249540) | about 6 months ago | (#46753439)

unless you *cannot* update because the update is broken...

Re:Jeez (2)

nhstar (452291) | about 6 months ago | (#46753447)

If I read it right, the problem is that a number of users are having issues with installing Update 1 and have yet to find solutions... While that really is a problem, I feel that the headline here was meant more to get people bashing some more.

$0.02

Re:Jeez (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753525)

It's all in the odd naming.

Recent Supported OSes
* Windows 7
* Windows 2012
* Windows 8
* Windows 8.1 Update (8.1U)

Recent Unsupported OSes
* Windows 8.1
* Windows 2012 R2

Since 8 is still supported but 8.1 isn't, to me it looks like MS completely screwed something up with 8.1 and wants to backtrack like how Intel looked back at the P3 when moving forward from P4. 8.1U probably rewrites whatever crap MS doesn't want to deal with.

Just patch it with Linux (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753587)

FTFY ;)

Re:Just patch it with Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753705)

oh jeesus then loose video and audio support while using shitty ass java programs that cant even keep up with 2003 versions on windows machines?

and then when it does update, it steamrolls your entire machine into a kernel panic

win win

Re:Jeez (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753679)

what part of "the update is broken and removed from servers" did you not understand retard

Re:Jeez (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753757)

Why are you so angry?

Re:Jeez (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753883)

Whining about it is just silly.

The real hilarity here is all the hate. 30 years of abusive behavior and much of the slashdot community is so tied to Microsoft that anything they do draws a huge amount of criticism. I have seen the all the vitriol and hatred for Windows 8 so I can't even fathom how people here are even *using* that or its successors, is there some secret love for Microsoft here that you all upgrade anyway? Are you all sadists that choose to use it even though you hate it?

I would think stories like this would be ignored and that stories about FLOSS and Linux kernel updates would be filled with comments but oddly that isn't true. Oh a small update to the kernel scheduler? Not interested, I would rather go tell everybody how much I hate Microsoft!

8.1 update 1? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753451)

Why isn't it just called 8.2...?

Re:8.1 update 1? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#46753857)

'cause then people wouldn't upgrade on principle, knowing that every other version number of an MS OS is crap.

Re:8.1 update 1? (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about 6 months ago | (#46753897)

Because that would make too much sense.

Update 1 is the patch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753483)

8.1 is patched with the update.

Wow what idiots....can you make it more confusing? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753489)

They make things so confusing, whoever makes these decisions are the ones that should be fired from Microsoft! Windows 8.1 and Windows 8.1 Update 1. Just name the damn thing 8.2 or Service Pack 1 that everyone is familiar with. Then to top it off Windows 8.1 isn't getting any more updates!!!

Then you have a pro version, this version and that version!

Sorry but life is much more simpler in the Mac world! 10.9.0.....10.9.1....10.9.2.......etc. Then you have Delta Updates that are the point releases and Combo updates that will update you from the 10.9.0 to the latest version say 10.9.9 in one download and one install. Then you don't have 200 updates to download and install.

I think the Microsoft way is superior as you can install/uninstall individual updates incase of problems, but its too complicated!

Re:Wow what idiots....can you make it more confusi (1)

Rafael Jaimes III (3430609) | about 6 months ago | (#46753575)

The latest generation of Microsoft products goes against all reasoning with naming convention. I agree, why isn't this called Windows 8.1 SP1? Or probably should have been 8.0 SP2 (8.1 should have probably been 8.0 SP1) Why is it called Xbox One? Why not Xbox 3? I know it's a different department but they need to stop trying to be different and creative with their naming scheme and just make god damn sense.

Re:Wow what idiots....can you make it more confusi (1)

kwbauer (1677400) | about 6 months ago | (#46753745)

slow down there Sheldon!

Re:Wow what idiots....can you make it more confusi (1)

Megane (129182) | about 6 months ago | (#46753605)

Life is also simpler in the Mac world because there isn't a triple .NET update every couple of weeks. And the .NET updaters seem to take a lot more time than regular patches. How badly do you have to fuck up a language runtime library to make it need monthly updates? And I'm not talking about just adding new features to the latest one, like with Java. This is .NET 1.x 2.x and 4.x all getting constantly patched.

Re:Wow what idiots....can you make it more confusi (1)

kwbauer (1677400) | about 6 months ago | (#46753749)

Seriously. I spend most days programming against .Net and haven't noticed all of these .Net updates you are complaining about.

running 8.1 update 1 from wsus (4, Informative)

Espectr0 (577637) | about 6 months ago | (#46753495)

if you have wsus without ssl, it works fine after importing the update from the catalog.

i don't see the need of ssl on an internal small server, anyway even with ssl you can enable tls 1.2 manually and it will work.

this article is also misleading, since the update itself is a regular update and not labeled "update 1" or even a service pack, but on every windows version out there there are updates that depend on other updates, especially service packs, so nothing new here.

Re:running 8.1 update 1 from wsus (2)

Loki_1929 (550940) | about 6 months ago | (#46753641)

i don't see the need of ssl on an internal small server

The 1980s called and would like their "my firewall stops ALLLL the hackerz!" approach to security back.

On the server providing updates to all your Windows systems? Thank goodness you have no authority over my network. All the guys on my team get regular reminders about the importance of defense in depth.

Re:running 8.1 update 1 from wsus (1)

Rick in China (2934527) | about 6 months ago | (#46753751)

i don't see the need of ssl on an internal small server

The 1980s called and would like their "my firewall stops ALLLL the hackerz!" approach to security back.

On the server providing updates to all your Windows systems? Thank goodness you have no authority over my network. All the guys on my team get regular reminders about the importance of defense in depth.

The early 2000s called and would like their "SSL secures your web traffic! Really!" approach to security back.

This news is truly worthy of the /. front page (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753511)

Windows 8.1 customers need to apply "Windows 8.1 Update" before installing security patches.

Thank you Slashdot editors

It's spelled out isn't it? 24 months support. (2)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 6 months ago | (#46753529)

Microsoft only support the current service pack level and all those less than 24 months old for Windows Client and Server.
That's the agreement they've given to their customers.
They will drop support for 8.1 in 24 months time.

http://support.microsoft.com/l... [microsoft.com] .... wait a minute. They should at least update their support policy before cutting support.

Re:It's spelled out isn't it? 24 months support. (1)

Gilbert Turner (3604601) | about 6 months ago | (#46753551)

It's not labeled a service pack though. Whats it matter anyways? 8.x is a total joke. Microsoft is either going to fix it with this update and everyone will be happy or nothing will change.

Re:It's spelled out isn't it? 24 months support. (1)

Rafael Jaimes III (3430609) | about 6 months ago | (#46753585)

I find it hilarious that every update to 8.0 is just reversing the big mistake of 8/metro more and more. After a couple of updates we'll probably have windows 7 again with 8 boot and explorer/shell enhancements, what it should have been in the first place.

Re:It's spelled out isn't it? 24 months support. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753621)

In case you were wondering... as a person running Windows 8.1 u1, they didn't fix it.

Upgrade, don't update. (5, Insightful)

edibobb (113989) | about 6 months ago | (#46753559)

Why not upgrade from Windows 8.1 to Windows 7?

Re:Upgrade, don't update. (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 6 months ago | (#46753709)

Since there's nothing inherently wrong with Windows 8.1 besides the awful UI, I can't figure why you'd downgrade to Windows 7. Or are you telling me that you can't install another UI and go on your way? I now await people to say that's it's worse than vista, when it's not. Especially when it's main negative feature is the UI.

Re:Upgrade, don't update. (1)

gweilo8888 (921799) | about 6 months ago | (#46753761)

Speak for yourself. I run both Windows 8 and Windows 7 machines, and my Windows 7 machines are demonstrably more stable and less buggy than my Windows 8 one. (Note: I say one because I've had such a piss-poor experience with Windows 8, which rapidly degrades in performance to the point of near-unusability. And even straight out of the box with a fresh install, it likes to do things such as take multiple *minutes* before task manager appears on a core i5 machine with 8GB of RAM and 50% CPU utilization or less. There's no way I'm buying another machine with Windows 8, let alone installing it on one. If I could downgrade to Win7 without needing to pay for an OS when I already paid for Win8, I'd do it in a heartbeat. And no, Linux is not an option for people who need to use real software.)

Windows 8 is a total dog, and has been from the day it shipped, even before one takes into account the absolutely godawful UI.

Re:Upgrade, don't update. (1)

clarkn0va (807617) | about 6 months ago | (#46753803)

Since there's nothing inherently wrong with Windows 8.1 besides the awful UI

Perhaps you didn't read the summary.

Re:Upgrade, don't update. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753819)

Since there's nothing inherently wrong with Windows 8.1 besides the awful UI...

But there is. They broke the integrity of the core packaging system by marrying it so deeply to .NET that there are multiple people out there who have to reinstall the OS from scratch because the update broke the package registry irreversibly.

Cloud Up The OS And Netboot It & Charge 25c a (1)

zenlessyank (748553) | about 6 months ago | (#46753563)

Here is a quarter, call someone who cares.

WAIT! it's April 15th, not 1st! (1, Insightful)

chromaexcursion (2047080) | about 6 months ago | (#46753577)

I thought this was a joke.
MS is just so sad
it hurts

So? (3, Insightful)

Sable Drakon (831800) | about 6 months ago | (#46753639)

How is this any different than MS stating in the past that updates required a certain Service Pack in order to be installed. It's worded very poorly, since everyone is going to assume the worst when you say 'Windows 8.1'. Mainly because they're not calling them service packs anymore or incrementing the updates. Windows 8.1 Update 1 would make more sense to people if they simply called it Windows 8.2.

Why not go back to the old SP system and stop this (3, Insightful)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 6 months ago | (#46753655)

Why not go back to the old SP system and stop this mess of a new update system where some stuff is in the windows store and others is in the windows update system.

As for this not working for all does it have any thing to do with 8.0 to 8.1 being more like a full os upgrade then an SP? and why did make the 8.1 iso not take Windows 8 product keys?

MS needs to go back to how it used to be with XP, vista, 7. Where it's not lot's of separate updates it is rolled up on to big install that has it all or least offer that as a choice not only for people who say have 2-4+ pc's and don't want to have re download the same updates on each pc but in some cases that combo updates work better.

Re:Why not go back to the old SP system and stop t (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753777)

They can't go back on anything or they might stop imploding.
At least, that's what it seems like they are trying to do.

MS Message: I know I know... we... (1)

Rick in China (2934527) | about 6 months ago | (#46753739)

We f*xked it up this time, but make sure to stay tuned, we will hit a homerun with Windows 9! Be sure to buy that as soon as possible, it'll fix all your Windows 8.x.update.woes! We promise. Witnessing the slow internal bleeding death of a behemoth, folks.

The new guy won't be pleased.... (1)

Warphammer (610896) | about 6 months ago | (#46753747)

As bad as this situation is for any user, this REALLY hoses up corporate. First you're saying that for critical patches you need to install a major update, which NOBODY in that world likes to do, might as well ask them to install a new version of the OS entirely. And THEN, 'oops it's actually broken....' with no idea of how it will be fixed. Another Win8 misstep for corporate they really can't afford.

WTF? (5, Funny)

bagman1673 (1120469) | about 6 months ago | (#46753773)

Windows 8.0 was installed on this machine, and it sucked immensely. Then a couple of months ago I got an upgrade to Windows 8.1 courtesy of Windows update, and it hardly sucked at all. Then, a couple of days ago I got my old Windows 8.1 upgraded to new Windows 8.1, and I know it is different because now apps have the big red "X" back in the right hand corner of the window and you can terminate them while they are running. Awesome! At this rate Windows 8.1 will turn into Windows XP around Labor Day. Maybe the boys will rediscover POP3 email at some point.

Update worked! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46753791)

After four tries, the update finally worked. What does it do? I now have an App Store icon in the task bar. Only took some 880 Mbytes to do that.

Broke for me... (5, Informative)

Retron (577778) | about 6 months ago | (#46753815)

I installed the update at work - it worked. I installed the update on my old PC - it worked. Tried to install it on my current PC - failed, after taking something like 20 minutes. It then took another half-hour to revert the changes. (On those machines where it worked, it took only 5 minutes or so to install).

Digging around online showed that fiddling around on the command line with dism might help. The online image is corrupted but it's repairable... that is, until you try and use /restorehealth, at which point it moans that there are no sources. Of course there aren't, it was upgraded to 8.1 from 8.0 via the online store.

So, after faffing around and grabbing an install.wim from an old 8.1 iso I had saved at work (not the 8.1 update 1 iso currently on the MS website) I find that dism won't use the image, even after mounting it.

I couldn't then even attempt to reinstall the update, as it failed immediately. Dism was called upon again to remove the update package, then at least it would let me try again... only to fail. Another 45 minutes wasted.

It looks as though the only way to "fix" it is to nuke Windows entirely, then go through the painful 8.0 > 8.1 > 8.1 with Media Center route. Except, of course, to get Media Center reinstalled you have to buy it again - there's no option I can see to re-enter your Meda Center key again because, guess what, when you upgrade to Media Center your Windows product key is changed. And a Windows 8.1 with Media Center key isn't accepted by the 8.1 iso (or at least wasn't when I tried earlier)...

Looks like a long and boring Easter weekend coming up.

On the other hand, I might just reinstall Windows 7 instead.

Magic upgrade sequence solved! (5, Funny)

BlazingATrail (3112385) | about 6 months ago | (#46753899)

You can upgrade by installing Windows Me, then Vista Ultimate, then enable start menu, disable start menu, 8.0 SP1, Windows ME again but holding ALT-F5 until BSOD appears, then quickly insert the 3.5 floppy with 8.1 patch on it (if you didn't keep a floppy drive.. oh you're so screwed!).
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