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Lying Eyes: Cyborg Glasses Simulate Eye Expressions

samzenpus posted about 3 months ago | from the all-the-better-to-see-you-with dept.

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Rambo Tribble (1273454) writes "A researcher in Japan has taken what is, perhaps, the next step after Google Glass: Glasses which produce animated images of the user's eyes to simulate emotional responses. They are intended to aid workers in emotionally-intensive environments. As the researcher explains, '... they allowed others to feel they were "cared" about ...'"

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56 comments

authenticity (4, Insightful)

kruach aum (1934852) | about 3 months ago | (#46786163)

Why would anyone interpret simulated expressions as genuine other than to delude themselves? And if you're willing to delude yourself, you could also just interpret apathy as caring. I don't understand how this is supposed to work.

Re:authenticity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786175)

Maybe this works in Japan. You may die from overworking but nobody will notice it for at least a week (of course you might also want to mask the odour of decomposing corpse).

Re:authenticity (1)

cascadingstylesheet (140919) | about 3 months ago | (#46786205)

Why would anyone interpret simulated expressions as genuine other than to delude themselves? And if you're willing to delude yourself, you could also just interpret apathy as caring. I don't understand how this is supposed to work.

Maybe the same reason that it's easier to suspend disbelief when staring at a TV show instead of a blank wall?

Because you could just imagine the action and adventure without any visual aid, but it's easier with one.

Re:authenticity (1)

kruach aum (1934852) | about 3 months ago | (#46786223)

But my imagination never suffers from bad actors, dumb dialogue or terrible cgi. The point of movies, tv shows and especially books is not that they make it easier to imagine, but that they can show you things you wouldn't have thought of by yourself, which is not applicable in the emo-glasses situation.

Re:authenticity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46788761)

So you would never listen to a song twice because once you've thought of what's in it the song itself is pointless?

Re:authenticity (1)

cascadingstylesheet (140919) | about 3 months ago | (#46792543)

But my imagination never suffers from bad actors, dumb dialogue or terrible cgi.

Wow, really?

Re:authenticity (2)

Errol backfiring (1280012) | about 3 months ago | (#46786219)

I really don't know. Maybe some sex line operator can inform you? Given their abundance, I think enough people like to be fooled.

What is more scary is that this can be used on people who just don't know any better and react to instincts. In other words: babies. Would a baby accept a robot nanny as its mum in the future?

Re:authenticity (2)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 3 months ago | (#46786253)

Surely I'm not the only one who finds this ... well... a bit creepy?

Zontar the Mindless: Eat your Words (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786389)

"Your hosts file app is SPYWARE, dude." - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Wednesday April 09, 2014 @02:43AM (#46702387) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

You said MY program's a spyware?

Here's CONTRARY PROOF FROM A REPUTABLE SECURITY COMMUNITY source http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] who hosts my app (malwarebytes hpHosts) which you are FREE TO VERIFY by email if you like as MY proof!

---

"for a crapware host files app that nobody in his right mind wants to allow anywhere close to his system" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Wednesday April 16, 2014 @12:24PM (#46769393) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

You say my program's crapware?

Disprove 17 points here showing hosts give uses more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity then since YOu say my program's "crapware" http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

---

"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Show us a post where I put up material on hosts where it doesn't apply.

You can't, can you? Nope - That makes YOU a liar.

---

You said by turning up cpu priorities in my program I am turning off the processscheduler?

"He's effectively turning off the Windows process scheduler" - FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Question:

How would the process scheduler be turned off by doing that?

APK

P.S.=> Same with using arstechnica as your backers - BIG mistake!

I annihilated arstechnica, & outside their private playpen where THEY STALKED ME TO @ Windows IT Pro forums http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] , no less!

You can't explain WHY Jeremy Reimer and Jay Little's websites were removed by CrystalTech &/or Shaw CA hosting providers

IF I'm "so bad", why'd THAT happen to 'em? apk

Re:Zontar the Mindless: Eat your Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786451)

Show us a post where I put up material on hosts where it doesn't apply.

Um, this one right here?

You dislike Zontar. Fine. We get it.

Why don't you just go back to "annihilating" ars, and why don't you put
127.0.0.1 slashdot.org

In your damn hosts file.

Re:Zontar the Mindless: Eat your Words (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46787225)

Arsehole technica's been further annihilated (with Zontar) http://mobile.slashdot.org/com... [slashdot.org]

Re:Zontar the Mindless: Eat your Words (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 3 months ago | (#46787129)

Speaking of "creepy"...

Re:Zontar the Mindless: Eat your Words (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46787199)

Appears you're eating your libelous words yet again Zontar http://mobile.slashdot.org/com... [slashdot.org] ontop of what you're trying to downmod to hide here (where you also had to eat your words) http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Hey Al - please stop behaving like a child. (1)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#46789797)

I'm afraid your anonymity is no longer effective. I'm relatively certain your invective never was.

If you feel you've been wronged, how about demonstrating how you've been wronged instead of demonstrating that you deserve what you've gotten?

Downmodding truth to hide it Zontar? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46787215)

"Your hosts file app is SPYWARE, dude." - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Wednesday April 09, 2014 @02:43AM (#46702387) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

You said MY program's a spyware?

Ok: CONTRARY PROOF from a REPUTABLE security community source http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] who hosts my app (malwarebytes hpHosts) which you are FREE TO VERIFY by email if you like as MY proof!

---

"for a crapware host files app that nobody in his right mind wants to allow anywhere close to his system" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Wednesday April 16, 2014 @12:24PM (#46769393) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

You say my program's crapware?

Disprove 17 points here showing hosts give uses more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity then since YOu say my program's "crapware" http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

---

"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Show us a post where I put up material on hosts where it doesn't apply.

You can't, can you? Nope - That makes YOU a liar.

---

"He's effectively turning off the Windows process scheduler" - FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Question:

How would the process scheduler be turned off by doing that?

APK

P.S.=> Same with using arstechnica as your backers - BIG mistake!

I annihilated arstechnica, & outside their private playpen where THEY STALKED ME TO @ Windows IT Pro forums http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] , no less!

You can't explain WHY Jeremy Reimer and Jay Little's websites were removed by CrystalTech &/or Shaw CA hosting providers

IF I'm "so bad", why'd THAT happen to 'em? apk

Oh, I get it now. (1)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#46790087)

You're just butt-hurt because your pet website [start64.com] only has 533 FB "likes" and now you're taking it out on Slashdot, Ars Technica, Windows IT Pro forums and anybody else you feel has "wronged" you by not bowing before you and crying out "we're not worthy"!

You just keep bringing it on yourself [lmgtfy.com] .

All your sockpuppet downmods = zilch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46815663)

"Your hosts file app is SPYWARE, dude." - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Wednesday April 09, 2014 @02:43AM (#46702387) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

You said MY program's a spyware?

Ok: CONTRARY PROOF from a REPUTABLE security community source http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] who hosts my app (malwarebytes hpHosts) which you are FREE TO VERIFY by email if you like as MY proof!

Now: Is YOUR SOURCE Computer Associates REPUTABLE? See here http://www.bing.com/search?q=c... [bing.com]

---

"for a crapware host files app that nobody in his right mind wants to allow anywhere close to his system" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Wednesday April 16, 2014 @12:24PM (#46769393) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

You say my program's crapware?

Disprove 17 points here showing hosts give uses more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity then since YOu say my program's "crapware" http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

---

"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Show us a post where I put up material on hosts where it doesn't apply.

You can't, can you? Nope - That makes YOU a liar.

APK

P.S.=> You FAIL, sockpuppeteer troll...

... apk

Re:authenticity (1)

Schiphol (1168667) | about 3 months ago | (#46786305)

Probably because, as a matter of empirical psychological fact, you would find the latter impossible and the former irresistible.

Re:authenticity (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 3 months ago | (#46786351)

Ever looked at a cartoon, or illustrated character? It's human instinct. We can interpret emotion in just two dots an a line :) Illustrated characters can easily express hyper-emotional levels far beyond what a real face could manage, an ability often utilised for dramatic or comedic effect. It wouldn't be a matter of willingness to delude onesself - even if you know the emotion is fake, it would take a deliberate effort not to be deluded subconsciously.

Re:authenticity (2)

jellomizer (103300) | about 3 months ago | (#46786899)

Well there is research showing that it is hard to be analytic and empathetic at the same time. That is why a lot of Doctors who are treating difficult cases, seem very detached from the patients, it isn't because they are just a nasty person. But because they are trying to solve your problem, and that gets in the way of being empathetic.
The same thing with tech people, it IS NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE AUTISM or some other issue, but because we are thinking analytically pushing aside our empathy.

Even if we know this, we really don't like it. So while your MD is treating your case, and somehow he seems to be making eye contact to you and seems like he actually gives a shit about your condition and not just enjoying the complexity of the case. You feel better emotionally, he feel better as you are not getting pissy with him, while he is trying to think on how to do his job and make you physically better.

Re:authenticity (1)

ljw1004 (764174) | about 3 months ago | (#46787213)

If I understand, your question is basically, "why is the human brain's amygdala hard-wired to produce emotional responses in this way?"

There's no really good answer, other than "it just is" and maybe some handwaving about evolutionary psychology.

Re:authenticity (1)

ggraham412 (1492023) | about 3 months ago | (#46789695)

Maybe this has greater applicability in robotics? It's probably cheaper to outfit a robot with a pair of these glasses that try to mimic the complex expressions of eye movements with tiny motors.

Re:authenticity (1)

hey! (33014) | about 3 months ago | (#46789973)

What about acting? Or fiction? These are artificial experiences that evoke real emotional responses. Once the right buttons in your brain are pushed, most of your brain can't tell the difference between what is real and what is synthetic.

Granted, authenticity in human interactions is important, but it's overrated. Fake engagement often is a perfectly acceptable substitute. Situations where people put considerable effort into *seeming* pleasant usually *are* more pleasant than they would be if everyone felt free to paste their indifference to you right on their faces.

So this is a very interesting technology. What's disturbing about it isn't that people might be fooled into thinking the user is truly interested; it's that the user himself no longer puts any effort into creating that illusion. What if that effort is in itself something important? What if fake engagement is often the prelude to real engagement? Maybe you have to start with polite interest and work your way up to the real thing; I suspect the dumber parts of your brain can't tell the difference. If that's true, taking the user's brain out of the interaction means that interaction will automatically be trapped on a superficial level. This already happens in bureaucratic situations where employees are reduce to rules-following automatons. Take the brain out of the equation and indifference follows.

I suspect that the researchers are well aware of these issues; I believe that I discern a certain deadpan, ironic puckishness on their part. People who truly view engagement with other people as an unwelcome burden don't work on technologies that mediate between people.

Re:authenticity (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 3 months ago | (#46791041)

You have to understand Japanese society. It's complicated but basically people in service industries ate expected to have a "service attitude" all the time. It's hard for them to maintain that, so assuming this could be developed to the point where it were not uncanny there might be uses for it. Look at it this way, everyone knows that the "service attitude" isn't the person's real feeling anyway, so this isn't any more fake.

Re:authenticity (1)

ZeroPly (881915) | about 3 months ago | (#46791223)

I don't know... I've been around a few people who are holding on to that last rung by their fingernails, and you'd be surprised at how little it takes for them to think that someone cares...

Re:authenticity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46791509)

Ah, but you forget.. this is in Japan. The land of virtual girlfriends, manga for adults, etc.

Surrogates... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786171)

This is the first step...

why stop there? (2)

cascadingstylesheet (140919) | about 3 months ago | (#46786199)

Just simulate the whole face ... we won't even have to show up!

Re:why stop there? (1)

hodet (620484) | about 3 months ago | (#46787391)

"Hey man, I have bad news. I have cancer."

Friend: rolls eyes.

Uncanny valley. (3, Insightful)

drolli (522659) | about 3 months ago | (#46786225)

Wow they just managed to create uncanny deep holes to fall into.

But what ... is it good for? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 3 months ago | (#46786259)

Either the person looking at me cares about how I feel. Then he will be pissed that I try to delude him.

Or he doesn't give a shit how I feel. Then it does not matter what I look like.

And now tell me again why I'd want to spend money on that.

Get a dog (2, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 3 months ago | (#46786265)

Dogs always give you the feeling that they care about you. The wagging tail, the dumb look in the face, the tongue hanging down to the ground . . .

Forget cats, though. You could sink in quicksand if front of a cat, and it will barely give you a glance the entire time.

Re:Get a dog (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786597)

FWIW, the times my cat has been worried about me, he paced and howled, trying to get me to leave what he perceived as a threat to me.

Ice Age (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786273)

When you see it!

kawaii (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786285)

Now what's missing are some pointy kitten ears to show me when the boy is pretending to be listening to me.

language of the heart foolproof (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786369)

for both the talker & the talkee http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=native+spirit+language+heart despite a poor spiritless beginning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88k2imkGIFA new clear options remain

Psychopathic training wheels (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786387)

When you no longer need to wear the glasses, son, you will be ready.

The eyes... (2)

puddingebola (2036796) | about 3 months ago | (#46786413)

The eyes are the window to the soul. Perhaps in a job that requires that people show empathy and understanding at all times this is too demanding, but what does it mean when we make an electronic device to simulate emotions we aren't feeling. I am skeptical that people want to use something like this, but I could be wrong. I guess in the 80's we had mirror shades to hide a person's eyes, and other people looking at them could see themselves. Maybe this is just an extension of the technology of emotional distance.

Re:The eyes... (1)

sunsurfandsand (1959680) | about 3 months ago | (#46786875)

I'm getting these for my girlfriend...the one I'm building in the garage.

so...emoticons? (1)

globaljustin (574257) | about 3 months ago | (#46786429)

This is not "innovation" or a new "tech frontier"

This is reductive design, with the human usage of the tech as almost an afterthought

Anyone who spends any budget money on this shit is a total idiot

Sincerity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786583)

Once you can fake that, you've got it made.

How do you see? (1)

Yebyen (59663) | about 3 months ago | (#46786661)

Did anyone watch the video and notice that there's no way to actually see when you're wearing these?

This technology is obviously not ready for prime time...

maybe useful for autistics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786691)

facial expressions on demand. I could see this as being very useful for training people with Autistic spectrum disorders such as aspergers on different types of facial expressions. Give them a much greater EQ.

The winking Virus and demon eyes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786739)

What if it gets a virus and starts winking at any females in the room? OR, if I get angry will it do demon eyes?

Re:The winking Virus and demon eyes (1)

r_a_trip (612314) | about 3 months ago | (#46786825)

Well, if it does demon eyes, I want one. I've been dying for the ability to flash the proverbial eyes that can kill.

So now we fake emotions technologically? (1)

gweihir (88907) | about 3 months ago | (#46786791)

All to make a quick buck. Despicable and repulsive.

Re:So now we fake emotions technologically? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46787355)

It's an upgrade from the old technology (self help books about social skills)

Other Uses (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46787007)

Presumably, a production version of these will not be so obvious - instead looking like a pair of regular glasses.

I want that in order to screw with the rise of CCTV cameras backed by facial recognition databases. I don't care about faking emotions, I want to fake things like the size of my eyes and brow as well as the distance between my eyes and with respect to my nose. Those characteristics are a major part of modern facial recog algorithms. If you can convince the system that your eyes are closer together than they really are, then it becomes a lot harder for them to pull up a match from the database.

Re:Other Uses (1)

PPH (736903) | about 3 months ago | (#46787375)

Cheap solution [mcphee.com]

Re:Other Uses (1)

mikael (484) | about 3 months ago | (#46788201)

Koreans have the solution - note-pad eye glasses:

http://www.funshop.co.kr/goods... [funshop.co.kr]

Use Case (1)

bradgoodman (964302) | about 3 months ago | (#46787191)

I could use them for my wife long dissertations about "how her day was"...

Re:Use Case (1)

mevets (322601) | about 3 months ago | (#46788053)

Donâ(TM)t worry. I have a feeling you wonâ(TM)t have to put up with that for much longer.

Successful Glasses (2)

cstacy (534252) | about 3 months ago | (#46787891)

The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it made.

Inevitable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46789581)

I suppose it was inevitable someone would automate the process of pretending to give a sh*t.

Simpsons did it (1)

gijoel (628142) | about 3 months ago | (#46790561)

Fantastic. I could wear it during jury duty. And no one would know I was asleep.
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