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Google Shifts Editing From Drive to Docs and Sheets In 'Confusing' Switch

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the conditionally-readable-headline dept.

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GottaBeMobile offers a better explanation than many other reports of a recent Google upgrade (some users would say more of a lateral move) that makes offline document creation and editing a first-class option for users of Google's office apps, but removes editing capabilities from Google Drive per se. Instead of creating or editing documents directly through Drive, users will instead be able to do this (including offline) with a dedicated app called Docs and Sheets. The article explains a few ways in which the new configuration is confusing, including this one: "Splitting out the editing functionality from Google Drive into the new Apps certainly seems odd given that fundamentally there are no new or different editing features offered in the new Google Docs and Google Sheets standalone Apps. Some users won’t appreciate having to download the new stand alone Apps to replace previous functionality, especially limited functionality."

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Happy Sunday from The Golden Girls (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912719)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

Re: Happy Sunday from The Golden Girls (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912723)

Man, if you didn't post as AC I'd mod you up!

Re: Happy Sunday from The Golden Girls (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912983)

Man, if you didn't post as AC I'd mod you up!

You and the OP will both die of anal cancer this year.

As a result the world will be a better place.

Re: Happy Sunday from The Golden Girls (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46913079)

You see that shampoo bottle? Now, stick it up your ass.

Push it in and out at a medium pace.

Re:Happy Sunday from The Golden Girls (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46913443)

It's not cosmonaut, it's CONDIMENT you idiot! GET IT RIGHT!

Re:Happy Sunday from The Golden Girls (1)

Colin Lewis (3398815) | about 6 months ago | (#46916093)

Try again - it's CONFIDANTE

It's just Google being Google (5, Insightful)

scottbomb (1290580) | about 6 months ago | (#46912761)

Google has a history of constantly tweaking their applications to the point of breaking them and/or making them less useful. There is a reason why the old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" exists. The only thing they seem to get right is search. Yeah, Maps and Earth work well, unless your using Linux or an Android smartphone. Maybe they should focus on fixing bugs instead of creating new ones.

Re:It's just Google being Google (1, Interesting)

The New Guy 2.0 (3497907) | about 6 months ago | (#46912805)

Google has always had a "too many direction change" problem as their meritocracy sometimes tries things, and then end up giving up one idea to try another. If they really are an always profitable company, why is ticker GOOG in existance?

Re:It's just Google being Google (1)

RandomSkratch (876611) | about 6 months ago | (#46912827)

Turn the screw until you hear a crack then back off a few turns...

Re:It's just Google being Google (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912839)

Since we're talking about Google apps, turn the screw until you hear a crack, then turn ten or twelve more times.

Re:It's just Google being Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46920107)

Funny. And so many bad memories...

Re:It's just Google being Google (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | about 6 months ago | (#46912949)

Yeah, Maps and Earth work well

Maps used to work well. The recent new version is, unfortunately, a textbook example of the tweaking-to-the-point-of-breaking that you mentioned.

Re:It's just Google being Google (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | about 6 months ago | (#46913695)

I'm trying to avoid rebooting my computer to prolong how long I get to keep using the old maps. Streetview is a little better but why do the map tiles take three times longer to load?

Re:It's just Google being Google (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 6 months ago | (#46913835)

On android at least it's utter rubbish. It can't do anything without a data connection and the UI is just retarded. You can't (at least, the last time I bothered trying) save "where I am right now" as a location (no doubt they call them something retarded like an aspect locus) - it wants you to type in an address. If only there was another method - like, say, a pair of numbers of specifying a location...

Re:It's just Google being Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46914011)

I have not tried for a month or two but last time I did it was still possible to use google-maps offline albeit the way to do it was somewhat obscure.

Re:It's just Google being Google (1)

Voyager529 (1363959) | about 6 months ago | (#46914117)

Check out "Copilot". It's $8 (for the North American version; other regions are a bit more expensive if memory serves), and downloading maps is its claim to fame. You download the maps for the regions you need via wifi, and it navigates you without ever needing a data connection. It also has traffic redirection like Waze, which is free for the first year and some trivial amount thereafter. It reads turn-by-turn directions via the Android TTS engine, so any voices you have for it will work.

The caveats are that map updates tend to be released quarterly (a problem if you're looking for that super-new restaurant the next town over) and that addresses tend to be a bit weird - you can paste a full address, but it does its internal database queries based on 'drilling down', so it asks for city/state, then street name, then house number, in that order, which takes some getting used to.

Still, Google Maps has indeed gone to hell in a handbasket, especially for me who have this bizarre notion that "using Google for search, maps, and apps" does not equate to "I want to buy into every aspect of the Google ecosystem, everywhere, ever". Google makes it bloody hard to make that possibility practical.

Re:It's just Google being Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46915699)

Also Nokia phones allow you to download offline maps for the entire world.

Re:It's just Google being Google (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about 5 months ago | (#46923289)

Yep, mine even does turn-by-turn with nothing but a GPS signal :)

Re:It's just Google being Google (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 5 months ago | (#46923341)

This is true, I had an E71. I thought Ovi maps was clunky but at least it worked.

In fact, it's in a drawer somewhere, the battery's shagged. If we go to foreign parts this year I might get a replacement for it just to use it as a GPS, if I can't find something decent on 'droid.

Re:It's just Google being Google (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 6 months ago | (#46916657)

The caveats are that map updates tend to be released quarterly (a problem if you're looking for that super-new restaurant the next town over)

The big map companies (Navteq and Tele-Atlas) only do quarterly map updates. The raw map data is provided to the companies that subscribe who then transform that data into the native format required for their apps.

You can't update faster than the map provider gives you.

You'd think Google would have the advantage here, but their map data can be years out of date...

Re:It's just Google being Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46926957)

You can more or less save where you are by doing a long press on your location to drop a pin, swipe up the location from the bottom, tap "save".

What really annoys me is there doesn't seem to be an option to set waypoints on your route. A few weeks ago I wanted to take a route using certain roads, but it didn't give me that option, I ended up putting a location 2/3rds of the way along the route I wanted, then after I reached that I had to set my actual destination.

Re:It's just Google being Google (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 5 months ago | (#46969085)

You can more or less save where you are by doing a long press on your location to drop a pin, swipe up the location from the bottom, tap "save".

That's intuitive, I don't know how the hell I missed that.

Which leg to I have to stand on while doing this?

Re:It's just Google being Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46914427)

Maps used to work well. The recent new version is, unfortunately, a textbook example of the tweaking-to-the-point-of-breaking that you mentioned.

Welcome to the world of Firefox, GNOME, Slashdot, and Windows 8.

Just because everybody already has a PC and smartphones are still spreading into the general population doesn't mean people have stopped using PCs. But it does mean that product managers and UXtards want to add "mobile" to their resumes when they move on to their next job and fuck up another formerly-useful product or website.

"If it's not broken, don't fix it" means all these useless idiots would be out of a job. So the UX changes every six months according to the phase of the moon. Fuck this industry and fuck the UX people who have ruined it.

Re:It's just Google being Google (1)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | about 6 months ago | (#46916045)

I am a user interface guy, and I promise you the kind of "throw **** at a wall and see what sticks", "always move fast and break everything" mentality that has invaded parts of the industry in recent years has nothing to do with creating a good user experience.

Good user experiences tend to require, among other things, consistent, intuitive, predictable behaviour. But you can't keep selling something that by definition isn't changing radically all the time, as if it's lots of different things that users should pay for many times over.

Re:It's just Google being Google (1)

synthespian (563437) | about 6 months ago | (#46915839)

Yeah, Maps works...Except that the Maps case is just like their online documents: someone made a better version

So, just like we use Evernote instead of Docs, Waze does a heck of a better job making me skip traffic jams to get home.

Yet ANOTHER thing Google doesn't do better than the competition...

has anyone ever published a web page (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46916855)

using the google suite? Not that I know of. It looks like the idiots who designed it were given the responsibility of overhauling mail and docs. They should be fired. No wonder mapping doesn't work.

Google can't be trusted with important stuff.

google just sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46916821)

It's why I'm still using my Symbian Nokia, the offline mapping is great. Google maps no longer works on any platform. I now use mapquest.

Used to use GoogleDocs, great for parking files for customers and coworkers. Even that is broken. Printing is a laugh, print to a mutant pdf, then hope that actually prints.

What is it with UI design these days? We're preparing to dump gmail, it's an even bigger mess than yahoo mail.

Re:It's just Google being Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46923723)

What are you talking about? I thought everybody loved not being able to manipulate the fucking map while looking at the directions list...

Re:It's just Google being Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46942367)

actually the absolute latest version of maps works quite well.

Re:It's just Google being Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912967)

Agreed. Most likely just another boneheaded move after a series of other boneheaded moves.

Re:It's just Google being Google (3, Interesting)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about 6 months ago | (#46913041)

I find this is a common corporate problem, eventually a product just peaks out and does what it's meant to do, then you're left with a bunch of people who helped get it there left with nothing to do. So they keep trying to improve it beyond where it was already perfect, in the process breaking it, maybe because they don't realise they're finished or maybe because they need a justification to stay in employment. So we end up with buggy bloated pieces of crap. Office is one such product, there's very little a business needs that can't be done perfectly well using Office 97.

Re:It's just Google being Google (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 6 months ago | (#46913383)

"if it isn't broke, don't fix it"

FTFY.

3... 2... 1... there it is.

Re:It's just Google being Google (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | about 6 months ago | (#46918415)

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Re:It's just Google being Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46915063)

"unless your using"

Unless my using is what?

Re:It's just Google being Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46916377)

Yep. Google is always breaking shit and they never listen to their users/customers. I stopped using YouTube when they made that Google- shit an artificial necessity. Google Search is broken beyond belief, so much so that Bing is far superior now. Gmail has been a sluggish piece of crap for a number of years now, but it used to be speedy and lightweight. Google Play is garbage now too, again with the artificial Google- necessity.

Google just needs to stop fucking with shit.

For iOS so you don't need to go read. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912765)

Could someone not have mentioned that it was for iOS so I could have ignored it. Haven't used that since soon after I gave up on Windows. I'm sure there are several other Slashdotters still stuck on that, so it's fine to post such a story, but please make it clear for the majority of us who won't care.

Re: For iOS so you don't need to go read. (3, Informative)

eggnet (75425) | about 6 months ago | (#46912817)

For android too.

Re: For iOS so you don't need to go read. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912889)

From TFA

As of this writing, a similar update for Google Drive has not been pushed through for the Android platform, but the two new Docs and Sheets Apps did appear on that platform yesterday.

hmm maybe.. I'm sure we can have a new story if that becomes true.

As a non drive user, this makes sense. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912799)

I don't really use these apps, bit why would something called Google drive be the thing I use to edit Google docs? Small programs that do one thing well and integrate with others makes a heck of a lot more sense then what appears to have been a poorly named monolith.

Re: As a non drive user, this makes sense. (2)

Will J (3541083) | about 6 months ago | (#46912909)

Thank you!.. I (and I'm sure Google) were thinking the same thing. Why everyone insists this is confusing is dumb. It was confusing as hell before. Changing to a paradigm that is well established by decades of MS Office is not confusing.

Re:As a non drive user, this makes sense. (2)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | about 6 months ago | (#46912951)

It actually started the other way around: what was originally Google Docs became (part of) Google Drive a while back.

Re:As a non drive user, this makes sense. (1)

pla (258480) | about 6 months ago | (#46913113)

It actually started the other way around: what was originally Google Docs became (part of) Google Drive a while back.

The nomenclature part of this doesn't bother me. I couldn't care less whether they call it "Google Docs" or "Google Drive" or "Google Kittens".

I very much do care, however, about needing to actually download and install an app to do something that previously worked perfectly well via website. I've always found Sheets a bit more cludgy than using Excel locally, but its online massively-collaborative nature more than made up for that (when sharing and collaboration matter). Now, it sounds like they've extended the long-standing intentional cut-and-paste "bug" to any serious use of Docs. Not acceptable, Google.

Re:As a non drive user, this makes sense. (3, Informative)

Baron Von J (2929197) | about 6 months ago | (#46915105)

previously worked perfectly well via website

They aren't taking away web editing. They're taking editing out of the mobile app.

Re:As a non drive user, this makes sense. (1)

MisterBuggie (924728) | about 6 months ago | (#46915585)

Oh! Mod this guy up. Summary is seriously confusing. They're just turning one iOS app into several. Nothing to do with anyone else...

Re:As a non drive user, this makes sense. (0)

synthespian (563437) | about 6 months ago | (#46915867)

Google never made it easy to suck up data from the web and throw it on their spreadsheets.

Yahoo Pipes was much better, and other smaller software firms that went out of business.

http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/ [yahoo.com]

Google only does search & ads.

Even programming languages: they hired Rob Pike. The man couldn't get the first one right (C), and that's supposed to be cutting-edge?!

Menawhile, Facebook is using D internally, and Microsoft rolled out F#...Google is mentally broken. Too many Java programmers at the GOOG - that's what happens: a bunch of dead-ends.

So much.... hate (1)

Camael (1048726) | about 6 months ago | (#46917179)

Look I broadly agree with you that Google today is no longer as good as they used to be, both in terms of their product and their "don't be evil" mentality/mantra/outlook.

But really, dissing their employees is a new low. Most of them have no say in the decision making process and are just working to make a living, like the rest of us.

And I had a look at your posting history. Do you realise that 9 out of your last 10 posts are nothing more than variations of "F*** Google"? And all in this same thread?

Tone it down a bit, chump. You are starting to look like a "Scroogled" fanboy.

Re:As a non drive user, this makes sense. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912991)

That's the way it used to be!

Google Docs existed before Google Drive. Shortly after Drive was introduced, they merged Docs into it. The existing domain docs.google.com redirected to drive.google.com after that point. I thought it was silly, as it seemed like Drive should have been the file manager (Windows Explorer) and Docs the office suite (OpenOffice).

I guess now they've concluded that too.

Mod This Up!!! (1)

Kohenkatz (1166461) | about 6 months ago | (#46913749)

This. Having a separate app for editing makes sense.

Re:As a non drive user, this makes sense. (2)

thsths (31372) | about 6 months ago | (#46914091)

Agreed. Even as a drive user, I always found it a bit weird that drive contained an editor for office files. A viewer - fine, that could be useful, but an editor? The division into a separate app makes a lot more sense. And I if there are hand over issues, I am sure they can be sorted out quickly.

Seems to make sense to me (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912829)

I don't use these apps, but why would I use some called Google Drive to edit Google Docs? That doesn't really make much sense to me. Naming confusion aside, if I want to edit Docs, I shouldn't need to install Drive, I should just be able to install a Docs app. Apps should do one thing well, not many things poorly.

Re:Seems to make sense to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912871)

And apparently slashdot did not eat my first comment. Sorry for the double post.

Re:Seems to make sense to me (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 6 months ago | (#46913355)

because your doc is on your google drive.. and they kind of killed docs naming for a while and everything is just on your google drive and not in your google docs..

it's all very confusing and apparently this is just for the phones and on desktop - or if you change your browser id presumably - you can still edit the docs by clicking edit on google drive..

Due to limits (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912837)

The main reason they have done this is a massive problem I deal with every single day. BIG documents. I have numerous spreadsheets that hold tends of thousands (or more) of rows. However a browser based spreadsheet where the data is stored on the server is NEVER going to be as capable as a local application. Imagine how frustrated I am when sorting or creating pivots... I pull my hair out daily. They just don't want to admit that WRT this issue - they just "moved laterally" to a model of editing that is virtually identical to Microsoft Office with cloud features ...

Re:Due to limits (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46912861)

OK, but that makes NO SENSE. We are talking about their Android and iOS apps - which have always been apps and not browsers. You must be talking about your desktop - and I use drive on my desktops too, but also on my Android tablet and phones. On Android (and iOS) drive is an app. So are docs and sheets. So try again. They still don't have apps for the desktop. They probably won't do desktop apps either.

Offline mode (1)

ronark (803478) | about 6 months ago | (#46912847)

There is no offline mode. You can open a document, but if you try to edit it, the app will try to open the document in online mode. This is one of the most requested features, offline editing, so naturally Google ignores it.

Re: Offline mode (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46913673)

BS: I just created/edited a doc with the phone in airplane mode. Seamless.

My uninformed guess (5, Insightful)

QilessQi (2044624) | about 6 months ago | (#46912867)

It sounds like the code base has grown to the point that they realized it would make sense to separate the code for managing a collection of online files from the code for editing a particular file. So: Drive is the file manager, Docs is for word processing documents, and Sheets is for spreadsheets.

That sounds pretty reasonable, especially from a project-management perspective. De-coupling the code will probably allow the different teams to release updates as needed without having to be in perfect synch with each other's schedules. That is, they can submit a patch to Docs even if Sheets is in the middle of a major refactoring.

Re:My uninformed guess (2)

Coward Anonymous (110649) | about 6 months ago | (#46913311)

De-coupling code is great. However, code refactoring should have no detrimental effects on end user experience. If it does, you are doing it wrong.

Your explanation implies a tail wagging the dog.

Re:My uninformed guess (1)

QilessQi (2044624) | about 6 months ago | (#46914045)

This is often the case when a project is begun with insufficient foresight into what its technical needs might be down the road. This happens with evolving systems all the time. When the current architecture acts as a drag on development efforts, the architects must weigh the cost of a little temporary user inconvenience against the cost of maintaining a monolithic application.

When the tail is caught in the spokes of a wheel, the dog has no choice but to follow the wag'n. :-)

Re:My uninformed guess (2)

blackfeltfedora (2855471) | about 6 months ago | (#46913415)

Can I get Apple to un-couple all the extra crap they jammed into iTunes so I can sync my iPod without my desktop griniding to a halt?

Re:My uninformed guess (3, Interesting)

s7uar7 (746699) | about 6 months ago | (#46913571)

My uninformed guess is that they realized that most people didn't know that the 'Google Drive' app was for document editing, and with the release of Office for iPad they wanted to make they had a visible competitor.

Re:My uninformed guess (3, Insightful)

c (8461) | about 6 months ago | (#46913867)

So: Drive is the file manager, Docs is for word processing documents, and Sheets is for spreadsheets.

It makes even more sense to decouple them when you consider another (now Google) product, Quickoffice.

Offline editing on tablets would be very nice, act (1)

arthurh3535 (447288) | about 6 months ago | (#46916731)

But this was just for iOS7? Or is it for Android devices too?

Re:Offline editing on tablets would be very nice, (1)

joaosantos (1519241) | about 6 months ago | (#46917167)

The two new apps are also for android. For now it they have kept the drive app functionality intact, but I think they will remove it on the next update

Beta flag up? (1)

The New Guy 2.0 (3497907) | about 6 months ago | (#46912923)

Did Google take down the Beta tag on these logos yet? Remember, not all Beta projects make it to stable. A lot of people were using GMail before the Beta sign went down!

Hmmm... (3, Interesting)

technomom (444378) | about 6 months ago | (#46912953)

I think it makes sense if you consider that Microsoft and Google are starting to make peace with each other. Microsoft recently officially gave their blessing to using office.com on Chrome and ChromeOS. So, imagine now that maybe you'll be able to save and edit actual word docs in Drive using Office and that perhaps Microsoft will also be opening its own Skydrive (or whatever they're calling it now) up to other document types? I admit it's a stretch, but given the new focus on the cloud from Microsoft, it could happen. This also makes more sense from the "merging Android and Chrome" point of view as well as mobile tends to favor smaller, single purpose apps.

Re:Hmmm... (1)

synthespian (563437) | about 6 months ago | (#46915799)

ChromeOS...What a joke.

Re:Hmmm... (1)

synthespian (563437) | about 6 months ago | (#46915809)

In between MacOS and Windows 8, I don't think the average user of 2014 wants a broken, lame OS. If they did, they'd all be cool using some Linux distro (as for the "linux is just the kernel blah-blah-blah" - shove it...)

Google cannot be trusted with anything important. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46913049)

My statement in the subject line has been proven true repeatedly by the actions
of Google.

Only an ignorant person or an idiot would trust Google with anything that matters
after so much of Google's behavior indicates Google acts like a capricious child
rather than a responsible adult.

And I'd like to send out a personal FUCK YOU to the idiots responsible for ruining
Google Maps. Google Maps used to be somewhat useful and now it is useless.
It boggles my mind that people are paid to do shit work like this.

Re:Google cannot be trusted with anything importan (1)

synthespian (563437) | about 6 months ago | (#46915823)

I say cut out the sushi chefs out there on the GOOG's dependencies.

Make mutherfuckers eat pizza!

Does anyone even use Google's office suite? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46913055)

I started a small business recently and played with Google's suite and the office.com suite, and frankly Google's system leaves a lot to be desired. Sheets and Docs and their presentation software I found to be weak imitations of Excel, Word, and Powerpoint, even the online versions. So does anyone use Google's system over say office.com; is there something I'm missing? Just curious.

Re:Does anyone even use Google's office suite? (1)

zippthorne (748122) | about 6 months ago | (#46913175)

They are, but you can get a bit of that back through apps script (I wonder how that will work in an offline paradigm, though...), along with scripted interaction between all your google docs - sheets, docs, sites, email, and others. There is ok and definitely not complete documentation, and the documentation that they do have really needs an offline option (it's a pain to navigate due to page load times....), but the level of potential interaction between those features is quite intriguing.

Re:Does anyone even use Google's office suite? (3, Informative)

Orp (6583) | about 6 months ago | (#46913269)

I use it for "simple" stuff - for instance, it's very convenient to have a place to take notes at meetings (I do a lot of that with my job). Since I always have wifi where I work it's just a matter of opening up the Drive website and creating a new document. And then everything's in one place and it's easy to find stuff with Google's search, which works on document names and document contents.

I do create some "production quality" documents from within the Docs world, and export them to PDF or DOCX so I can share. But these documents are generally simple; the complex stuff I do in LaTeX. I really do not like Word with its seven thousand ways to frustrate me and the weird layout that I've never really gotten used to since they majorly changed it years ago. Libreoffice and Google's docs editor are nice and relatively simple and I find them easier to use. But I go back to Word when I have to which is frequently since "everyone" seems to use it.

It's convenient to have the ability to open attachments (from Gmail) in Drive/docs for quick viewing, but stuff created in Microsoft's Office doesn't always convert very well.

I fully realize what Google is doing by "sucking me in" to their world and having everything I do be stored on their servers. Ever since I bought a Chromebook Pixel and got the 1 TB of Drive space, I'm always finding ways to use it. I know they just want to harvest everything I do - so for the sensitive stuff I have an encrypted (ecryptfs) partition with Dropbox that I can mount on my Linux machines, and for wholesale archival storage of sensitive stuff I use PGP and stick it wherever. If Google Drive allowed the ability to mount the drive partition under Linux like Dropbox does, I would probably "drop the box" altogether.

Re:Does anyone even use Google's office suite? (1)

synthespian (563437) | about 6 months ago | (#46915755)

Exactly.
How the fuck can you be such a software giant, use Open Office internally, and *still* SUCK SO MUCH?
Is Google - it begs the question - seriously BROKE? Is it too big to fail - and yet fail it does...
Is Google just a huge fucking A/B testing experiment (outside search)? It sure looks like it sometimes.
In my mind, it has created a reputation of being unreliable. Any product you look at, outside search, looks like A/B testing in the wild. Just look at their Android approach. They've released really buggy shit out there. Users who can't afford Apple are in for some deep shit user experience.
Here's a story ripe for journalists specializing in IT... Does Google even know where they want to go?

But people complained about changing it to Drive! (2)

slimjim8094 (941042) | about 6 months ago | (#46913147)

It used to be Google Docs, right? Then they decided it was a cloud storage product and renamed the whole thing (including the editors) Drive. This confused a lot of people who didn't understand why you had to download Google Drive to edit a spreadsheet. So now they have seperate products and people are complaining about that too?

I give up. I mean I'm broadly sympathetic to change aversion, but this isn't even that. It's just breaking out functionality into more rational chunks, and people complaining about it.

Open Office makes more sense. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46913209)

Why use stuff from Google when you can instead use Open Office ?

Google no doubt has paid shills writing comments in this thread, so
any replies to my post with be taken with a grain of sale and a bullshit detector.

Re:Open Office makes more sense. (1)

synthespian (563437) | about 6 months ago | (#46915779)

Yeah, what's the point? Just use Drive for storage. Or maybe not even that.
Right now, millions of XP machines are getting warnings that Real Soon Now Google is not gonna support their browsing experience. So, no Docs or Drive there...
So, what you see is Google not making the internet something that Just Works. Aren't they supposed to be the huge software giant that did things differently? Oh, wait, that's Apple. What Google is hellbent on doing is dominating the browser platform. We're back to 1997. Your browser may not work.
Wow, way to go for the GOOG.
Maybe they're so out there in the future, with their Google glasses, that I just don't care anymore.
Outside search, they haven't done a single thing right.

Features (1)

drolli (522659) | about 6 months ago | (#46913249)

They remove the feature which kept me from using google docs and sheets...

Explanation (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46913287)

Because the people of Slashdot are fucking stupid. Say I don't do editting or I just use drive as storage I don't need the added functionality, so why have it in the app. Say I'd like to open a document and spreadsheet I now can since before you couldn't with a single app.

Re:Explanation (1)

synthespian (563437) | about 6 months ago | (#46915793)

The point we're debating, and that you seem to miss, is: why make Docs if it's a lame ass piece of shit that does half of what OpenOffice does even though you stole their code?
Remember how they were gonna kill Microsoft Office.
Well, lo and behold, there's Office 365 for you.
What. The. Fuck. Google.

OMG (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 6 months ago | (#46914395)

This is going to totally confuse users. They're moving document creation from the storage service "Drive" to the document service "Docs".

Great name! (3, Funny)

glwtta (532858) | about 6 months ago | (#46915537)

Docs and Sheets definitely doesn't sound like a store you would find between Staples and Linens & Things.

Re:Great name! (1)

balbus000 (1793324) | about 5 months ago | (#46932935)

I always wonder why Linens & Things didn't go for the alliteration of Sheets & Shit.

Google stop f*ing up Google (2)

synthespian (563437) | about 6 months ago | (#46915735)

Dear Google --

You are your worst enemy.
Please, just stop.
First, a purported Microsoft Office-killer. Then, you lost space to Evernote. Oh. My. God. How can it be that small software houses beat you to the online document race?
You periodically either shoot yourself on the foot, or you pull features and leave your user/programmers feeling you're not reliable. Because you're not.
You have a serious lack of direction. Reconsider your ways.
Nothing you do outside search works. Or barely works.
And nobody uses Google+. Face it.
Please, just stop.

Re:Google stop f*ing up Google (1)

mattr (78516) | about 6 months ago | (#46917129)

Definitely. While search is extremely useful, I would say integral to the way I use the net now, I absolutely do not trust Google 1) to not abuse my data, history or anything important to business and 2) to maintain a usable service without wrecking it in a year. Due to their bizarre philosophy Google is constitutionally incapable of launching a trusted service. Everything on the menu is subject to destruction / morphing at whim. I have seen my decision not to use Google justified 2 or 3 times already. I was burned twice before I got to that point. One product I am involved in uses Google Charts API and the only reason I am not scared of it is the low cost of retooling it in the event they screw that up. As it is I am investigating a local library replacement for that too. The only solution I can see is they should at least make it clear how much it will cost to continue that service indefinitely for a business application you have built on it. You can start a negotiation, but until you actually have a contract there is no way to guarantee apis won't change. As it stands currently, if we have a web service we sell to a customer, if we make a multi-year contract we will have to understand there is a risk we may have to rebuild parts of it, or else limit our contracts to the number of years we can expect Google to maintain a service. So yes I would say that Google is their own worst enemy because what they think is some kind of wonderful enlightened agile engineering approach actually is a piece of shit because nobody trusts them not to fuck everything up without notice. Which is too bad as they have a lot of nice stuff and they certainly could afford to become a reliable API purveyor instead of trying to convince users that what looks nice is really just hack flavor of the month.

Marketing? (1)

sageowl (153590) | about 6 months ago | (#46916181)

Maybe this is just a way to pump up the apps in the App Store after recent release of Office 365 on iOS?

DropBox (1, Insightful)

Pascal Sartoretti (454385) | about 6 months ago | (#46917375)

This is why I love the DropBox concept : it is just a local folder on my machine and I can use any application I want to edit the files stored in there.

And if one day DropBox becomes too evil or too expensive, I can transparently switch to an other solution to sync my documents without changing the way I edit them.

Circular Development (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46919203)

Considering that the functionalities where originally separate to begin with... Is this switch more confusing or just par for the course. Personally, I felt they made more since as sperate entities. One for storage and one for creating/editing. Especially when you consider that drive does so much more than just host Google Docs and Sheets.

Open Office (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46920277)

I mean, if you really need to use spreadsheets and all that, chances are you have a real Office application from Microsoft or Apple. Otherwise you can use Open Office and you don't have to deal with the program being fucked with constantly.

Google is so huge now, they are not even being very careful about failing or avoiding public ire.

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