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Windows 8.1 Finally Passes Windows 8 In Market Share

Unknown Lamer posted about 3 months ago | from the slightly-more-than-zero dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "May was the seventh full month of availability for Microsoft's latest operating system version: Windows 8.1 continues to grow slowly while Windows 8 remains largely flat, allowing the former to finally pass the latter in market share. At the same time, Windows 7 has managed to climb back over the 50 percent mark, while Windows XP still has more than 25 percent of the pie, despite support for the ancient OS finally ending in April."

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12.64 percent in only 17 months (4, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | about 3 months ago | (#47151785)

It is a shame the next update still won't have the promised start menu.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (2)

Irate Engineer (2814313) | about 3 months ago | (#47151843)

It is a shame the next corpse still won't have life.

FTFY

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47151981)

It is a shame the next corpse still won't have life.

Dinosaurs get overtaken by mammals. C'est la vie.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (4, Insightful)

rubycodez (864176) | about 3 months ago | (#47151951)

will take more than a start button to fix windows 8.x

that's like putting parsley garnish on a dish full of shit

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152007)

Actually, from a structural standing, Windows 8 is fine, even better than the ones that came before.

It's the UI they changed.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152127)

For the majority of users the OS is the UI.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152337)

I have yet to experience a Windows release where the majority of the chant was exactly this, until the HUGE, OBVIOUS, AND UNMISTAKABLE structural issues come to light after a few major security breaches. Not even Windows 8 has failed this test, and it is already getting owned in the wild with little abandon.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (0)

camperdave (969942) | about 3 months ago | (#47152649)

Actually, from a structural standing, Windows 8 is fine, even better than the ones that came before.

It's the UI they changed.

Oh? They've switched to a unix-like structure?

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152979)

I don't think they have. But it would be reasonable to assume that they have followed, at the very least, some basic principles of Operating System Design and not made the processes responsible for the UI also responsible for device drivers, multitaskig, file systems or networking; to name a few.

One of the main differences between Windows and Unix structures is that one is tightly integrated and the other is a bit more loose and allows the possibility to mix-and-match of the various components that make up the OS, from the kernel outward towards the UI (graphical or otherwise), and everything in between.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (2)

Froboz23 (690392) | about 3 months ago | (#47153085)

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the Windows kernel, UI, and default browser all share essential low-level processes, and therefore could never ever possibly be decoupled.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 3 months ago | (#47153259)

How is OS X organized?

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (0)

jones_supa (887896) | about 3 months ago | (#47153239)

Actually, from a structural standing, Windows 8 is fine, even better than the ones that came before.

It's the UI they changed.

Oh? They've switched to a unix-like structure?

Hah hah. Like UNIX would automatically be some kind of "best" structure. Modern hardware would probably allow us to do many things much better than UNIX or Windows-style kernel, both of which deep down cling on to legacy architectures. Well, maybe you are an UNIX fanboy and it creates a warm fuzzy feeling, nothing wrong about that. ;)

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (1)

meerling (1487879) | about 3 months ago | (#47152089)

It's more like looking at that plastic spork and giving them a stainless steel knife & fork again.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (4, Funny)

reboot246 (623534) | about 3 months ago | (#47152983)

Windows 8.1 beating 8.0 is like a polished turd beating the original turd. It's still a turd.

Maybe 9 will be better . . .

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (5, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 3 months ago | (#47152055)

It is a shame the next update still won't have the promised start menu.

Yeah, but funny as hell that, combined, Windows 8.x (all versions) is only ~25% after three years (a complete tech cycle in the consumer realm). It's doubly funny that this is in spite of every bix-box OEM pimping 8.x as hard as they friggin' can (go ahead and try to buy a laptop in BestBuy or Wal-Mart with something other than Windows 8 in it...)

Now compare that crappy growth curve to XP, 98, 95...

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (2)

jbolden (176878) | about 3 months ago | (#47152257)

If the OEMs were pimping Windows 8 they wouldn't be selling non touchscreen laptops without complex hinges. The OEMs have been "pimping" Windows 7 hardware with Windows 8 installed.

Re: 12.64 percent in only 17 months (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152381)

And many of them are advertising Windows 7, not 8. I was looking for a laptop yesterday and on Dell's website they had an advertisement that "we still have Windows 7! Check out our Windows 7 computers!" You known your new OS sucks when companies are advertising that they DON'T have it.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (5, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 months ago | (#47152479)

And who, exactly, wants a touchscreen on a laptop? Touchscreens are a crappy interface for devices too crappy to include a keyboard and mouse.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152829)

I don't mean to make a pun here when I say you're out of touch.

People have nearly always put their damned fingers on the screen when they wanted things to happen. Children were doing that before touchscreens got big.

The big problem is this slashdot idea that if you have a touchscreen then you can't have a keyboard and mouse.

A mouse (and especially a touchpad) -- that's a crappy interface device for a civilization that can't manufacture good touch devices and program good touch software.

And yes, I prefer using a keyboard and mouse most of the time. I grew up on it. Same reason I prefer QWERTY, and the same reason I'm good with our ridiculous units of time.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (3, Informative)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 months ago | (#47153191)

People have nearly always put their damned fingers on the screen when they wanted things to happen.

Since when? I've never seen anyone put their damned fingers on a PC screen and expect it to do something.

A mouse (and especially a touchpad) -- that's a crappy interface device for a civilization that can't manufacture good touch devices and program good touch software.

About the only things a touchsceen is better at than a keyboard and mouse are finger painting, or clicking huge icons in a fast food store. For anything that requires any kind of precision, a touchscreen is an appallingly bad interface.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (4, Informative)

Jmstuckman (561420) | about 3 months ago | (#47152317)

Three years used to be a complete tech cycle in the consumer realm -- back in the 90s and early 2000s -- but the average consumer no longer upgrades their computer nearly that often. Most of my friends are still using 5-7 year old hardware, because the hardware from that era is still perfectly capable of running today's software. Your techie friends may upgrade every three years, but nobody else does.

The vast majority of consumers only upgrade their OS when they buy a new system. The lack of uptake of Windows 8 is simply because not that many people have replaced their computer in the last few years. Unfortunately, a lot of the hardware from the 2004-2005 era (the first generation of systems to take DDR2 RAM) is still floating around. Because these systems shipped with XP, they are still running XP, and we now have a problem on our hands.

Compare the Windows 8 growth curve to XP? That 9-year-old hardware from 2005 is still perfectly adequate for most tasks. On the other hand, using a PC from 1992 when XP came out in 2001 would have been impossible (unless you were rich, that computer would have had a 386 CPU and a hard drive with less than 100MB!)

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152819)

Please explain then, how the (according to slashdot, idiot) non-technical Mac userbase has a 51% uptake of Mavericks inside of 12 months? No, it doesn't automatically deploy, and no, 51% of the Mac userbase is not on 12 month old hardware. I'll offer a hypothesis: Mavericks offers things end Mac end-users want. Windows 8 does not offers things Windows users want. For what it's worth - our company hardware rotation is 3 years on desktops, 5 years on servers.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152995)

Because a Windows PC is a tool, while Mac users are tools.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | about 3 months ago | (#47153065)

People did upgrade, just not into the same form factor for their computer. They bought mobile phones and tablets instead of a Windows PC.

And if you look at what they use for their daily computing the mobile is center and the PC is for some tasks that sucks on a mobile phone. Mostly things that has not been successfully translated to the smaller screens or demands a real keyboard.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152397)

It is a shame the next update still won't have the promised start menu.

Yeah, but funny as hell that, combined, Windows 8.x (all versions) is only ~25% after three years (a complete tech cycle in the consumer realm). It's doubly funny that this is in spite of every bix-box OEM pimping 8.x as hard as they friggin' can (go ahead and try to buy a laptop in BestBuy or Wal-Mart with something other than Windows 8 in it...)

Now compare that crappy growth curve to XP, 98, 95...

25%? The article says 12.64%, combined.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (1)

Jahoda (2715225) | about 3 months ago | (#47152521)

I think you got modded a bit high on this one. I am happy to hate 8.x as much as the next man. But 8 was released October 26, 2012. That is a scant 17 months ago. Wwhat I suddenly, with these stats, realize to be depressing is that apparently, even given all the terrible publicity and negative-everything, it's managed to hit 25% in 18 months. :/

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (1)

Jahoda (2715225) | about 3 months ago | (#47152525)

:ugh: 19 months ago, not 17 - embarassing.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (1)

Hadlock (143607) | about 3 months ago | (#47152655)

This probably has something to do with the fact that Chromebooks are something like 20% of the new laptop marketshare, Apple commands something like 25 or 30% leaving Windows with 50-60%, whereas Microsoft used to own 90% wholesale of the market. It's a lot harder to replace your old market share with new when you have half of the market presence you did six years ago, and the consumer marketplace is contracting at the same time. Desktop numbers probably look a lot better, but consumers buy laptops 2:1 and enterprise has learned to move from a 3 to a 6 year upgrade cycle.
 
My next laptop is going to be an Android powered laptop or Chromebook with crouton on it, so I can RDP in to work (windows environment). Nothing I do besides games requires Windows these days, and Steam in Home Streaming will probably solve that as well.

12.64 percent in only 17 months (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152281)

Still better than 1% in 20+ years (Linux)

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (5, Informative)

Beck_Neard (3612467) | about 3 months ago | (#47152389)

You mean 40% of servers, 96% of supercomputers, and 80% of smartphones/tablets?

Linux may have started out as a desktop OS, but now it's very much a server/enterprise/workstation (am I allowed to use that word anymore?) OS. Oh, and also embedded devices and phones (really, everything except the desktop). Turns out, the average person who buys a PC is going to use the OS the computer ships with and will never upgrade.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 3 months ago | (#47152487)

Embedded devices such as the one that hands you cash through a slit run "Windows XP Embedded"

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152535)

that's only 1 of millions of different embedded applications

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 3 months ago | (#47152915)

Millions of them use a RTOS or no OS at all.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152811)

Yah, but all stock exchanges run Linux. Those guys know a thing or two about money and how much is lost when the exchange goes down.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47153059)

Android currently holds a larger piece of the computer market than XP does if you count mobile phones as computers.

Linux the kernel is widespread and used all over the world. Until the Linux DE's get their act together and stop following Windows taking their own path they will be just as "popular" as Windows 8.

Re:12.64 percent in only 17 months (2)

rcht148 (2872453) | about 3 months ago | (#47152865)

It is a shame the next update still won't have the promised start menu.

I think it makes complete business sense NOT to give start menu to Windows 8.x users.
If they did give it to a Windows 8.x user like me for free, I would lose a major incentive to buy an upgrade to Windows 9.
Not saying that start menu will be the only change in Win 9 but the start menu guarantees that I will be upgrading.

dont want it (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47151831)

i dont want 8.1 if it means signing up with fucking microsoft/windowslive id to get it, fuck off

Re:dont want it (2)

tepples (727027) | about 3 months ago | (#47151939)

It's confusing, but you can upgrade to Windows 8.1 without having to get a Hotm^W Outlook.com account. You have to click buttons with titles to the effect of "create a new Microsoft account" followed by "continue using my local account" (or whatever; I don't have it in front of me).

Re:dont want it (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about 3 months ago | (#47152289)

You have to click buttons with titles to the effect of "create a new Microsoft account" followed by "continue using my local account" (or whatever; I don't have it in front of me).

Sounds like you're describing setting up a new 8.1 system. If we're talking about updating from 8 RTM to 8.1 I didn't even have to do that. My system was originally configured with a local account and I never use IE, Windows 8 Mail, or Skype. Went into the Store and there was a big tile to upgrade to 8.1. I wasn't logged into the Store at all (have never wanted to use it) and it didn't ask me for anything before downloading the installer.

Re:dont want it (2)

tepples (727027) | about 3 months ago | (#47152393)

True, the update from Windows 8 RTM to Windows 8.1 doesn't ask the user to convert to a Microsoft account before the download. It asks during installation of the update, which incidentally resembles setting up a new system.

Re:dont want it (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 3 months ago | (#47153281)

It's confusing, but you can upgrade to Windows 8.1 without having to get a Hotm^W Outlook.com account. You have to click buttons with titles to the effect of "create a new Microsoft account" followed by "continue using my local account" (or whatever; I don't have it in front of me).

You can't install anything from the Windows Store without an account, and I think some other functionality is broken too. All in all, it's like using an Android phone without Google account: it's possible but somewhat clunky, and you finally end up saying "fine, fine, I'll create the damn account".

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47151841)

It's a buggy OS from a thrashing dinosaur of a buggy-whip maker.

Re:Who cares? (1)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 3 months ago | (#47152773)

It's a buggy OS from a thrashing dinosaur of a buggy-whip maker.

Which, at this point, describes the rest of the desktop OS alternatives.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152835)

Really? Fedora 20 with KDE is far superior to the Windows desktop.

Re:Who cares? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 3 months ago | (#47153295)

The notifications system is quite broken with Fedora 20 KDE.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152855)

Fuckwit.

Mouse Latency Issue? (2)

Ferrofluid (2979761) | about 3 months ago | (#47151849)

I read sometime last year that Windows 8.1 introduced a bug related to mouse latency, which was especially noticeable for gamers using high-dpi mice. Apparently, many games became unplayable because of the greatly increased mouse lag. Microsoft issued a temporary "fix" (patch KB2908279), which from what I've read only corrected the issue for a few specific games -- i.e., it was not a true, universal fix. Does anyone know if they have finally fixed this issue? I've been holding off from upgrading to Windows 8.1 for this very reason.

Re:Mouse Latency Issue? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 3 months ago | (#47151971)

all the gamers I know use windows 7, including two in my house.

Re:Mouse Latency Issue? (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | about 3 months ago | (#47152209)

all the gamers I know use windows 7, including two in my house.

According to Steam's hardware survey [steampowered.com] , Windows 8 accounts for about a quarter of gamers. I think that Valve knows more gamers than you do.

Re:Mouse Latency Issue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152093)

Yeah that's a pain in the arse, that one. Last I checked the fix was per-game and involved registry hacks. Sod M$ for breaking backwards compatibility .. =/

ME and Vista (1, Interesting)

mfh (56) | about 3 months ago | (#47151875)

I like how Windows follows a SIN curve of customer satisfaction, almost flawlessly. My prediction is that Win 9 will be the next XP, loved by all only to be replaced by Win10 which everyone will hate... and so on and so forth, ad nauseam.

This kind of business policy is pretty corrupt and if it's not illegal it really should be.

Each release guarantees problems between users in terms of learning curve. Techsupport bottlenecks each time and they take the brunt of the flak from idealized Microsoft decision making.

Re:ME and Vista (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47151907)

And let's not forget increasingly high hardware requirements.

"Hey, guys! Hardware is getting more efficient! How can we make our software more inefficient so as to make the gains from better hardware minimal?"

Microsoft learned the system requirements lesson (2)

tepples (727027) | about 3 months ago | (#47151955)

And let's not forget increasingly high hardware requirements.

Microsoft learned from this mistake when Windows Vista's requirements delayed adoption and caused low-cost Atom subnotebooks to use first GNU/Linux and then Windows XP. That's why the requirements haven't increased much since Windows Vista, except for requiring PAE, NX, and SSE2 starting in Windows 8.1.

Re:Microsoft learned the system requirements lesso (2)

meerling (1487879) | about 3 months ago | (#47152113)

You can always inflate hardware requirements, but if it's not backed by an equally valuable increase in functionality, nobody is going to want it.

Re:ME and Vista (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 3 months ago | (#47152083)

This kind of business policy is pretty corrupt and if it's not illegal it really should be.

I think it's entirely possible that the particular phenomenon that you are describing is a symptom of incompetence and not malice. Don't get me wrong, I am always ready to ascribe malicious intent to Microsoft, but this just smells like incompetence.

Re:ME and Vista (-1, Troll)

mfh (56) | about 3 months ago | (#47152213)

I am always ready to ascribe malicious intent to Microsoft, but this just smells like incompetence.

Flagrant incompetence is malicious. Systemic feigned incompetence a lesser form of evil. (When they release one good OS, then one bad one, then a good one... etc)

Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. If everyone is very happy with what their OS can do, they have no reason to buy another one (limiting MSFT's bottom line). Microsoft wants us to always be buying another OS from them. They won't simply perfect the OS and say "Done!", but it's even worse than that.

By increasing the hardware requirements they force us to buy new computers, which in turn means we will need to constantly be shelling out money to them every 2yrs, or every time a computer dies.

They break the OS each time intentionally so we will buy the NEXT one... if it's just as good as the one we have.

We're the dumb ones though. We buy the Vistas, the Win8s, the MEs... we BUY that crap. We're to blame!!

Re:ME and Vista (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 3 months ago | (#47152303)

Well, I am really quite happy with Windows 7, which is still supported. My last block fell away when, amazingly, not only did Gateway/Acer finally provide Windows 7 driver support for my LT31-series netbook (Athlon 64 L110 1.2 GHz, whee!) but AMD also decided to start permitting direct downloads of mobility drivers, and even put them into their automatic driver downloader/ad displayer. I was even able to skip installing CCC, glory of glories.

Windows XP still runs nicely under VMware player. Or there's always XP Mode, but it's fairly incompetent. Virtual PC's stability is nowhere near vmware player, nor is the graphics compatibility even participating in the same sport.

Re:ME and Vista (2)

techno-vampire (666512) | about 3 months ago | (#47152573)

We're the dumb ones though. We buy the Vistas, the Win8s, the MEs... we BUY that crap. We're to blame!!

I run a Linux-only household. I don't have to buy a new computer every two or three years because my OS is too much of a resource hog for what I've got. Don't blame me because you keep on drinking the MS kool aid.

Re:ME and Vista (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | about 3 months ago | (#47153083)

I am a hardware guy that loves to tinker. Sadly i cannot excuse getting new stuff for my Linux box because it runs so smooth.

Re:ME and Vista (1, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | about 3 months ago | (#47153321)

I run a Linux-only household. I don't have to buy a new computer every two or three years because my OS is too much of a resource hog for what I've got.

A Linux desktop is more resource hog than Windows these days. I'm not joking. You have to step down to minimalistic XFCE/LXDE style desktop environments to get the similar performance to Windows.

Don't blame me because you keep on drinking the MS kool aid.

How do you know that you're not drinking Linux Foundation kool aid?

ME and Vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152837)

My prediction is that by the time Windows 9 comes out, the PC operating system has been marginalised to the point of being largely irrelevant, other than for niche users (gamers, and that won't last forever). The sooner microsoft realise this and focus on applications for ALL platforms, the better.

Re:ME and Vista (1)

Kjella (173770) | about 3 months ago | (#47152959)

I'd rather have love-hate releases than spreading it thin to make everybody half happy, half unhappy. It was 8 years between XP and Win7, if it's another 8 years between Win7 and the next good "classic" version Microsoft has a few more years to pull it off. I didn't use Vista, don't use Win8 and the more Win8 is the New Coke the more they'll need to bring back Coke Classic in Win9 so it works out fine for me. And most businesses who'll skip a release. Consumers that bought it could have read the reviews and skipped it. The only ones it really sucks for are those who didn't choose it but has to support it, but hey... I'm sure there's a guy in India who wants that job if you don't want it.

Talk about timing... (0)

waddgodd (34934) | about 3 months ago | (#47151897)

Mind you, Microsoft disabled security patches for win8.1 last month, so now the majority of recent win8 installs are unpatchable...

Re:Talk about timing... (1)

Elbart (1233584) | about 3 months ago | (#47152663)

They disabled nothing, upcoming patches will just require 8.1u1.

Re:Talk about timing... (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 3 months ago | (#47153333)

Duh. Of course those machines will still receive the updates needed to get them to W8.1U1 patch level.

Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47151943)

Who cares. Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152547)

WHAT... what happends at the ranch?!

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47153193)

That's where I banged your mom

more deck space on the Titanic (2)

chromaexcursion (2047080) | about 3 months ago | (#47151945)

OK, my subject is an exaggeration.
The ship is still sinking.
Apple isn't winning the desktop space. But Microsoft is still losing. Linux never really made the field.
I won't go into the mobile space, where desktop is going, but MS is losing badly there.

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152001)

In other news, dog vomit finally passes cat poo in market share.

Coats (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152039)

Coats [slashdot.org] wow~~~beauty~~

The only reason (1)

Brad1138 (590148) | about 3 months ago | (#47152045)

I started using 8.1 was I could install "Classic Shell" and make it more or less just like 7.

Re:The only reason (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152181)

so... why wouldn't you just use 7?

I've heard this over and over. "you can tweak this and that and install the other thing and it works just like 7." So just use 7. 7 is awesome. one number higher does not a better product make. spiderman 3. star trek 5 (and 9. and 10). godfather 3. highlander ... well any of them after the first.

Re:The only reason (1)

Brad1138 (590148) | about 3 months ago | (#47152279)

I like a few things about 8.1. I like 7 a lot, but I like the quicker boot in 8.1, I like some of the apps, the weather one in particular. From what I have read, 8/8.1 is better underneath and generally faster than 7.

Re:The only reason (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | about 3 months ago | (#47152311)

I've heard this over and over. "you can tweak this and that and install the other thing and it works just like 7." So just use 7.

I always dissuade people from upgrading from Win7 to Win8. It is a half step forward, two steps back. Frankly, I would not even upgrade from Vista to Win8.

highlander ... well any of them after the first.

The producers should have known that there could be only one.

Re:The only reason (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 3 months ago | (#47152331)

I'm in similar situation as the OP, ie. I'm using Start8 to add a Start-menu and disable the various hot corners and the likes. The system looks and works pretty much like Windows 7, but it boots slightly faster. I could totally have stayed with Windows 7, but I went with 8 simply because I wanted the Netflix - app; Netflix in the browser is limited to only 720p and stereo-sound whereas the Netflix - app on 8 can do 1080p and 5.1 surround. What can I say, I'm a movie buff.

Re:The only reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47153201)

Then buy the damn DVD. Or pirate it, if money's an issue.

Re:The only reason (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 3 months ago | (#47153271)

No one sane uses physical media anymore. I sure as hell don't intend to, Netflix is far superior. And why should I find some other solution when I just said that I am already on Windows 8? I didn't lose anything by moving from 7 to 8 as long as I am using Start8, but I did gain slightly faster boot and the improved Netflix - app.

Re:The only reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152853)

In my case (I don't bother with classic shell) - new hardware, for games only = Windows 8 license is cheaper and has most of the drivers required for my hardware built in. It also supports advanced format disks out of the box, and doesn't require faffing about to slipstream SP1 into Windows 7 media for the installer to install in a 4k aligned boundary. Other than that...

boots (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152051)

boots [slashdot.org] wow~~~beauty~~

8.1 actually isn't bad, BUT (2)

Jahoda (2715225) | about 3 months ago | (#47152123)

The fact that I have to install Classic Shell as my first step on any new Server 2012, Server 2012 R2, 8, or 8.1 system is still unacceptable. Yes, I realize this solves many of the problems of using the OS, but no *I* shouldn't have to do it. I was on the cusp of going ahead and telling folks "well, start menu is coming back, and really 8.1 has worked out some kinks...", as I suspect many /. readers were as well, but now this latest announcement of no start menu until Windows 9? Well, I guess 8.1 is a nonSTARTer. :drumroll:. Welcome to the new ME.

Re:8.1 actually isn't bad, BUT (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 3 months ago | (#47152507)

I do most of my access to our Server 2012 machines via Windows 7 remote admin tools and Powers hell. Why would you even bother logging in?

Re:8.1 actually isn't bad, BUT (1)

Jahoda (2715225) | about 3 months ago | (#47152557)

Not all of us work in enterprise. A great deal of us support the SMB market (which is its own set of challenges), and there is much more need to directly interact with the server via GUI for these environments. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but the odds are good that if you're able to interact solely with powershell, your usage cases are much more specific.

Re:8.1 actually isn't bad, BUT (1)

Jahoda (2715225) | about 3 months ago | (#47152591)

(by the way, I apologize if my response sounded douche-y, that was not what I was going for)

Re:8.1 actually isn't bad, BUT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47153169)

Because you rely on a crappy vendor with a niche product that you can only admin via GUI? That is very common for example.

Meanwhile at Apple WWDC (3, Informative)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | about 3 months ago | (#47152283)

Apple is boasting an over 50% uptake in Mavericks userbase, I see.

Windows 8.1 Passes Windows 8 In Market Share (0)

JustNiz (692889) | about 3 months ago | (#47152347)

So all 3 Windows 8 customers have now upgraded to Linux then?

Re:Windows 8.1 Passes Windows 8 In Market Share (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152351)

lame

Under the hood (1)

networkzombie (921324) | about 3 months ago | (#47152361)

For a site where I imagine everyone uses Bash to complain about a start menu missing is comical. I hated the start menu and I'm glad it's gone. I've replaced all my systems with Windows 8 ever since they added boot to desktop so I could run appliance systems. The improvements they made under the hood make my systems fly. Same with 2012. I suffer at work with multiple monitors on Windows 7 and lack of PowerShell options on Server 2008 R2. I guess I'm the only one who notices the improvements.

Re:Under the hood (2)

teh dave (1618221) | about 3 months ago | (#47152785)

There's heaps of us who like Windows 8.x/2012, but Slashdot has its mind made up and every time there's a Windows 8 submission these idiots bring out their pitchforks while people like us just ignore it. So no, you're not the only one.

At this stage it looks like Microsoft could patch in a new Start Menu, throw in the option to use oh I don't know, KDE's menu or whatever your DE of choice is these days, put in a tool that converts fucking lead to gold, and donate 50% of their net profit to NASA, and people here would still hate it.

Dear Microsoft (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | about 3 months ago | (#47152415)

What did we want in Win8? Win 7 that WORKED. That's all, really. Simple stuff, like, maybe automatically calculating the size of folders. That would be nice. And maybe a scheduler that didn't have its head up its ass. Seriously. All this touch this and wooshy that WE DON'T CARE. WE NEVER DID.

we just want a computer that works. Perfectly and easily. Hard to do? Well, you CHARGE for your OS, so it's not like you don't have the green. But, no. You dreamed up Win8 and Metro and it sucks balls. No one wants it. It's bullshit. IF we want a tablet OS, WE'D BUY A FUCKING TABLET. Capeeeesh?

Now, kindly go back to the drawing board, fix Win7,and call it Win9, and we will all be happy and for a little while forget you're a bunch of assholes extracting wealth from a supine audience.

Re:Dear Microsoft (2, Insightful)

bondsbw (888959) | about 3 months ago | (#47152641)

Somebody's panties are in a wad.

It amazes me how Windows is the only operating system on earth that MUST. HAVE. A. START. MENU. or omg I'mma kill someone.

Anyway, didn't Windows 7 work? That's all you guys have been screaming for the past few years. Then when I would come in and say "just use Windows 7"... crickets. So, if you hate Windows 8 so much then 1) Why are you using it? 2) Why not go back to Windows 7? 3) Why not put your money where your mouth is and support an OS with a great Start menu? (Let me know when you find one.)

Re:Dear Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152821)

Uhm, regarding the Win menu complaints: Fedora 20 with KDE works for me.

Re:Dear Microsoft (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | about 3 months ago | (#47153113)

The same thing that users complains about in Windows 8 is something that is complained about loudly in the Gnome camp. Personally i love LXDE with its simple start menu (Win2000 style) and have never ever felt that other ways of starting apps could make anything i did simpler or faster. Most of the time things just get in my way because the various menu systems utterly fail to predict what i want to do.

XP... (1)

HockeyPuck (141947) | about 3 months ago | (#47152447)

Because I haven't figured out what platform to migrate my mother to.

here's why (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 3 months ago | (#47152601)

Normal people hopped on 8.1 like it was the 2nd coming of Jesus. Unfortunately most people who bought Windows 8 are not normal people, they're uninformed idiots. So, when an update shows up as something marked as free software in something called a store instead of Windows Update, of course they're not going to hop on it or even look into it to see what it is.

Sorry, that's me (4, Funny)

BoberFett (127537) | about 3 months ago | (#47152681)

I turn on my Windows XP box every other day just to mess with the statistics.

Actually it's because I still have my homemade porn on it, I haven't moved it to my new computer yet...

Re:Sorry, that's me (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47153215)

Have you considered a distributed backup via torrent?

I love windows 8.1 (1)

ventriloquistw (3679425) | about 3 months ago | (#47152839)

Windows 8 is seriously amazing!! I personally find OS to be a cheap version of windows. Just a bunch of useless apps in my opinion.

xp at 25% ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152877)

how many of those are in china or other regions with high software piracy rates?

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