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Windows 9 To Win Over Windows 7 Users, Disables Start Screen For Desktop

samzenpus posted about a month ago | from the now-will-you-try-it? dept.

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DroidJason1 writes One of Microsoft's main goals with Windows 9, the next major version of Windows, is to win over Windows 7 hold outs. The operating system will look and work differently based on hardware type. Microsoft is looking to showcase the desktop for desktop and laptop users, while two-in-one devices like the Surface Pro or Lenovo Yoga will support switching between the Metro interface and the classic desktop interface. The new desktop will allow Modern UI apps to run in windowed mode, and have Modern UI apps pinned to the Start Menu instead of a Start Screen. There will also be a mini-start menu. Microsoft is looking to undo the usability mistakes it made with Windows 8 for those who are not on a touch device. WIndows 9 is expected around spring of 2015.

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hmmmmm (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352697)

Isn't that supposed to be windows 8.2?

Re:hmmmmm (3, Insightful)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a month ago | (#47352755)

It has become an industry law that every other major windows version be the good one.

So now, they have to number the products to fit the law.

Re:hmmmmm (5, Funny)

Daniel Hoffmann (2902427) | about a month ago | (#47353027)

It might be every prime number version of windows, time will tell...

Windows 8.X / 8.1X needs a new name to (4, Insightful)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a month ago | (#47352823)

Windows 8.X / 8.1X needs a new name to get rid of the bad PR and make the changes stand out more.

Re:hmmmmm (5, Funny)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a month ago | (#47352953)

No, it's 8.11, for workgroups

Re:hmmmmm (1)

dimeglio (456244) | about a month ago | (#47353061)

Isn't that supposed to be windows 8.2?

Indeed. I have very little incentive to go from Windows 7 to Windows 8.1. Going to 9 (8.2) is not going to be much different since they still seem unable to figure out how to incorporate touch-based apps alongside classic apps.

Re:hmmmmm (4, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | about a month ago | (#47353155)

Maybe because touch devices make shitty desktop devices and they shouldn't be integrated for that reason.

One switch to rule them all? (4, Insightful)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about a month ago | (#47352701)

Can they also put a switch in this to make Office usable? I can't stand that fucking ribbon interface that makes everything I used to do the most often 5 times more difficult.

Re: One switch to rule them all? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352761)

So you read slashdot to stay current on tech news, yet still have figured out the MS ribbon?

Re: One switch to rule them all? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353087)

Real Programmers don't use WYSIWYG editors, unless forced to by silly rules or because the boss says "here, correct this word document".

Re: One switch to rule them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352789)

Because you can't add those things to the toolbar at the top...

Re:One switch to rule them all? (3, Interesting)

Tarlus (1000874) | about a month ago | (#47352835)

Given that it has been their standard for seven years and over three iterations of Office, I don't think they have any plans to undo it.

You can just customize it though, just add your commonly used tasks to the home tab of the ribbon and you're set.

Re:One switch to rule them all? (5, Informative)

bhcompy (1877290) | about a month ago | (#47353035)

Or just switch to Open Office or other derivatives. Like all of those that hated ribbons did nearly a decade ago

Re:One switch to rule them all? (2)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about a month ago | (#47353057)

Or just switch to Open Office or other derivatives.

That is exactly what I did. Unfortunately every once in a while one of my colleagues will send me a document (usually a power point presentation) that won't open in anything other than the newest version of office (and sometimes only the newest version on the same platform as their, to boot). They then get to listen to me cursing office for some time while I try to read their document.

Re:One switch to rule them all? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353163)

Or just switch to Open Office or other derivatives.

That is exactly what I did. Unfortunately every once in a while one of my colleagues will send me a document (usually a power point presentation) that won't open in anything other than the newest version of office (and sometimes only the newest version on the same platform as their, to boot). They then get to listen to me cursing office for some time while I try to read their document.

Open Office, etc is great as a sole source, or if you can't afford office or if everyone you interact with only uses it, but it sucks for interacting with other formats. I tried OO but it mangled the HR forms work requires. Open office is to MS Office as a butter knife is to a flathead screw driver. Sometimes it's good enough, other times you're toast. If you just want to butter your toast though, have at it. Your coworkers get butchered documents from you, then ignore it and revisions later, IT gets asked to "cleanup" the formatting bugs yuou injected and everyone else copy pasted over.

I'm not saying MS Office is better than Open/Libre Office is better. Excel, Outlook, PPT and Word generally are better, if not necessarily Access, but there are only substitutes, not equivalents in GPL or other vendors.

Re:One switch to rule them all? (2)

linebackn (131821) | about a month ago | (#47353037)

Can they also put a switch in this to make Office usable? I can't stand that fucking ribbon interface that makes everything I used to do the most often 5 times more difficult.

I'll second that. (They could just offer an additional normal menu bar like the Mac version) It is their reluctance to back off of this and several other past design mistakes that makes me surprised they would even consider backing down from their Windows 8 Metro stuff.

Re:One switch to rule them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353085)

Come sit beside us on your lawn while we show you how to use it.

Re:One switch to rule them all? (1)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | about a month ago | (#47353201)

Can they also put a switch in this to make Office usable? I can't stand that fucking ribbon interface that makes everything I used to do the most often 5 times more difficult.

You'll really like Windows 8, then, because the ribbon is implemented for File Explorer and the Common Dialogs, too.

And here I'm hoping... (4, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | about a month ago | (#47352705)

That it goes x64 only, much like they said a year and change ago.

Re:And here I'm hoping... (0)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about a month ago | (#47353247)

That would make it the next flop. Lots of applications are still 32bit, and there is no reason to enforce a quick change here. 4 GByte are not enough for everyone, but for many users they are. Take x86 support away, and the complaints will be enormous.

It will take at least another 10 years until a Windows without x86 support is accepted.

Re:And here I'm hoping... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353295)

I have no problem running any 32bit apps on my 64bit Win 7 machine. If you look they even install into a different folder from the 64bit versions.

Touch Server (4, Insightful)

Liquidretro (1590189) | about a month ago | (#47352709)

So this means my virtualized headless server won't have a touch screen interface? Glad someone used some common sense.

Re:Touch Server (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352791)

What kind of scrub uses anything other than core for that?

Re:Touch Server (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352947)

The kind of scrub that needs to run SharePoint for starters.

Re:Touch Server (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352801)

No no no! This is Windows 9, not Server 2015. Server 2015 will still maintain the Modern interface and force you to use the start screen.

Re:Touch Server (5, Funny)

rsborg (111459) | about a month ago | (#47353115)

No no no! This is Windows 9, not Server 2015. Server 2015 will still maintain the Modern interface and force you to use the start screen.

Your rumors are stale, Mr. Coward. From what I hear, Microsoft plans to integrate Kinect technology into Server 2015 as user testing has shown many data center workers have been using "hand gestures" when attempting to work with the Metro interface.

Re:Touch Server (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352829)

server core anyone? ... anyone?

But 7 works fine. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352711)

I'm not buying a new OS and relearning it unless there are amazing benefits. So far there are not amazing benefits.

Tradition (1)

rujasu (3450319) | about a month ago | (#47352713)

Looks like MS is looking to continue the tradition of good odd-numbered Windows versions to make up for the bad even-numbered versions.

Re:Tradition (2)

Shakrai (717556) | about a month ago | (#47352817)

It's the opposite of the Star Trek movies. ;)

(Until Nemesis had to go and completely suck, even beyond the abysmal standard of the TNG movies)

Re:Tradition (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353169)

Actually, if you count Galaxy Quest as a good Star Trek movie, the pattern still fits.

Re:Tradition (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352831)

Looks like MS is looking to continue the tradition of good odd-numbered Windows versions to make up for the bad even-numbered versions.

Well, yeah. String two or three shitty ones together, and Fucked Company will be the only one memorializing your corporate traditions of yore...

Re:Tradition (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a month ago | (#47352923)

I think that people are just being babies and looking for something to complain about. I'm not a big fan of the Windows 8 interface, especially when you don't have a touch screen (actually, I think it's awesome when you do have a touch screen), but after using it for a little while, I found that the interface didn't really hold me back at all. You hardly even see the start screen in your normal day to to day work when you're running desktop applications. It shows up when you push the start key, but after you've typed in the name of the program you want to run and clicked on it (which is so much easier than previous versions because the click target is now huge), you are sent right back to the desktop. Plus with more and more devices coming out with touch screens, there's less of a reason to turn back now.

Re:Tradition (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about a month ago | (#47353031)

It shows up when you push the start key, but after you've typed in the name of the program you want to run and clicked on it ...

So, I have to click, type a program name, then click again. Aren't modern GUIs great? And when you and Windows disagree as to the program "name" (i.e., the "search" fails)? [ A real example from Unity (admittedly, a while ago): I wanted the start Thunderbird, but had to type "email" for it to actually find it, even though the executable was actually named "thunderbird" - sigh. ]

Re:Tradition (1)

damien_kane (519267) | about a month ago | (#47353159)

So, I have to click, type a program name, then click again. Aren't modern GUIs great? And when you and Windows disagree as to the program "name" (i.e., the "search" fails)? [ A real example from Unity (admittedly, a while ago): I wanted the start Thunderbird, but had to type "email" for it to actually find it, even though the executable was actually named "thunderbird" - sigh. ]

["Windows" Key] + type title of launcher in start menu/screen + hit enter.
You might need to cursor up/down if you have multiple links in your start menu for the right title, for some reason.

Not sure how that's all that difficult, but YMMV

Re:Tradition (2)

PincushionMan (1312913) | about a month ago | (#47352925)

I gotta call you on that, man. Windows 98 and Windows 2000 were awesome compared to Windows 95 and Me (Windows 99?). XP only narrowly avoided the odd numbered curse because it was named XP instead of 01 or 1. I guess they fired all the people that made Windows Me. Then they brought them all back to make Windows Vista and, after they'd learned their lesson with Vista, they had them make Windows 8.

Hah! (3, Insightful)

Bigbutt (65939) | about a month ago | (#47352717)

I finally got my Windows 7 system working reliably. I'm not budging until I have to.

[John]

Re:Hah! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352825)

If you've only just got windows 7 to work reliably then the problem isn't with the operating system.

Introducing Windows Classic (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352871)

This is all too similar to New Coke / Coca-Cola Classic:

"The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales. This led to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy"

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say... (5, Insightful)

hedgemage (934558) | about a month ago | (#47352909)

Instead of saying "One of Microsoft's main goals with Windows 9, the next major version of Windows, is to win over Windows 7 hold outs." wouldn't it be more factual to say the main goal is to "overcome the design failures that prevented widespread adoption of Windows 8."

As much as they love to pat themselves on the back for having such a "revolutionary" design, there is no better evidence that it Win 8 was a groupthink circlejerk than how no one who had the choice would use it.

Re:Hah! (0)

PinJunkie (2912369) | about a month ago | (#47353033)

Ditto. Not going anywhere. Still have a laptop with XP. Still like it too.

Re:Hah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353103)

And some people are happy not getting vaccines.

Re:Hah! (1)

next_ghost (1868792) | about a month ago | (#47353073)

Allow me to brag a bit: I've switched to Linux in 2006. Since then, I've made a complete hardware replacement twice. Each hardware replacement meant only about 2 hours of downtime while I was installing the packages essential for work and copying the whole /home and most of /etc directories from the old machine. After that, I was back in business pretty much exactly as I've left the old machine (minus some less important packages that were still installing in the background for another couple of hours). It's really awesome when you don't need to spend a month manually reinstalling and reconfiguring all the software you had on the previous system.

Re:Hah! (1)

Smauler (915644) | about a month ago | (#47353173)

I've just got my Vista system reliable again (not Vista's fault, overheating CPU, but it mangled the file system a little)... don't laugh, current uptime = 3049:16:45

Re:Hah! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353279)

Almost every month there is a Microsoft patch requiring reboot. I don't know that I'd brag about that kind of uptime.

Re:Hah! (1)

Aryden (1872756) | about a month ago | (#47353277)

PEBKAC

Umm, ctrl+c/ctrl+v? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a month ago | (#47352723)

Why is releasing a re-labelled version of Windows 7 going to take until spring of 2015? Are they making a crew of interns re-type the source?

Re:Umm, ctrl+c/ctrl+v? (0, Troll)

The MAZZTer (911996) | about a month ago | (#47352887)

The Start Screen made a few critical improvements to the Start Menu, it just had the misfortune of being bundled with Metro.

Namely, it eliminated a few problems caused by third-party developers cluttering up the Start Menu with extraneous folders and shortcuts (no more nested folders). Now you can have a better organized Start Screen but still have access to all those extra shortcuts if you need them.

Bringing these enhancements back to the desktop would certainly be welcome, at least by me. Also, IIRC Tiles support was already announced for the Windows 9 Start Menu. So, like Android widgets or the already-existing desktop Gadgets... could be useful. I probably won't use them, though, except maybe for the weather.

Re:Umm, ctrl+c/ctrl+v? (4, Insightful)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a month ago | (#47353105)

I was wondering when one of the "oh the new start menu is great, it's just misunderstood and needs to be relabeled" goblins crawls out of his cave to poop his bullshit on this thread.
Did the epic failure of 8 teach you nothing? We WANT the proper tree menu in start menu. Not your shitty catastrophe that can't even have a proper tree structure. An actual, usable start menu.

Go back to your cave. Eight is dead as is (hopefully) start screen. Even microsoft is apparently starting to get it.

MS has interns do real work and not BS filler (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a month ago | (#47352899)

MS has interns do real work and not BS filler

Re:Umm, ctrl+c/ctrl+v? (1)

BenSchuarmer (922752) | about a month ago | (#47353225)

You've obviously never used notepad as your primary IDE

It's too late (2)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a month ago | (#47352735)

It's too late. Classic shell is better than the start menu ever was or ever will be.

Re:It's too late (1)

InvalidError (771317) | about a month ago | (#47352855)

I'm using Classic Shell too and I agree it does fix nearly everything that annoyed me in Win 8.x

Many people on the other hand are still upset (exaggeratedly so IMO) with needing third-party applications to restore classic start menu functionality or are adamantly opposed to any sort of such work-around.

It isn't just UI (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352757)

What about some of the huge downgrades in functionality that came with 8?

Audio controls being a big one.

Re:It isn't just UI (3, Funny)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a month ago | (#47352877)

What about some of the huge downgrades in functionality that came with 8?

Audio controls being a big one.

Pardon?

Re:It isn't just UI (5, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about a month ago | (#47353053)

What about some of the huge downgrades in functionality that came with 8?

Audio controls being a big one.

Pardon?

You need to speak up, his audio controls are messed up.

Microsoft's Tick Tock (1)

Alef (605149) | about a month ago | (#47352771)

I suppose this is the next Tick in Microsoft's equivalent of Intel's Tick Tock development model. In Microsoft's case, they get redesign hubris with every other version, then spend the following version back-tracking and undoing all the things they did wrong.

Much like Windows 7 pretty much was a fix-up of Vista, Windows 9 appears to be a "corrected" Windows 8.

Here's to windows 2020 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352781)

Probably won't upgrade from Win7 until then.

Where my Windows 8.1 Update2 start menu !?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352811)

So at TechEd, Microsoft basically publicly stated that windows 8.1 update2 would bring back the start menu... so in good faith I took the plunge and bought a Win8 laptop... my biggest grip with Win8 was with the stupid metro application launcher... Now you're telling that the most expense part of the laptop (OS) is worthless to me and I have to wait so that I can buy the newer version of windows to get what I need (and was promised) (and I thought I had already paid for) !!!

Re:Where my Windows 8.1 Update2 start menu !?! (1)

Shakrai (717556) | about a month ago | (#47352853)

You believed something Microsoft said? Sucker. MSFT's promises are about as credible as "The check is in the mail" and "I'll pull out"

Where my Windows 8.1 Update2 start menu !?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352959)

I thought they were bringing back the start *button*, not the menu...

Blank is to Blank... (3, Funny)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a month ago | (#47352815)

So:

Windows 9 is to Windows 7, what Windows 7 is to Windows XP.

Why?

Because Windows 9 is to Windows 8 what Windows 7 is to Windows Vista (which is Windows ME to Windows XP).

Head == asplode.

Re:Blank is to Blank... (1)

iggymanz (596061) | about a month ago | (#47352839)

before your head bursts, keep going....I think you can go all the way back to Windows 3.1 at least

Re:Blank is to Blank... (3, Funny)

just_another_sean (919159) | about a month ago | (#47352977)

No way can you convince me that Window's had anything before 3.5!

No seriously, I used 3.0, 3.1 and even 3.11 (for Workgroups) and had no idea what 3.5 was at the time but to this day I still love the fact that when you go deep enough on any version of Windows Server you find something that still looks a lot like it did in 4.0.

Other than finally offering console only (Server Core) the UI for Windows Server could have remained at the Windows 2000 level and I would have been happy. Just the UI, I do like the actual improvements made under the hood and the introduction of new server technology but the UI was fine, why mess with it?

(mumbles something about lawns, shaking his head as he wanders off...)

Re:Blank is to Blank... (0)

seven of five (578993) | about a month ago | (#47353145)

It's DOS all the way down...

Re:Blank is to Blank... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352891)

(which is Windows ME to Windows XP)

But Windows XP didn't come after Windows ME - it came after Windows 2000 (which came after NT4, which came after NT 3.5, etc.). Damn near everybody who spouts out the "every other version rule" likes to conveniently forget this bit of information.

Re:Blank is to Blank... (2, Informative)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a month ago | (#47353059)

that was when they still had the enterprise / consumer split OSes.

XP came after both 2000 and ME. XP joined to 2 lines into 1 core OS.

Re:Blank is to Blank... (2)

Kaenneth (82978) | about a month ago | (#47353093)

It's pretty simple actually.

Versions that add support for major new hardware/API's suck, until driver/application developers catch up with the new tech (including Microsoft internal developers...)

(1x) 1.0 > 2.0 > 2.1 I think I was still using an Amiga that generation... So I don't recall the details.
(3x) So 3.0 > 3.1 > 3.11 (Cooperative Multitasking, Protected memory mode)
(4x) 95 > 98 > 98 SE (Explorer, TCP/IP, COM interfaces)
(5x) (2K/ME) > XP > XP SP2 (an actual, but underused security model, removal of Real mode DOS, SFP, System Restore)
(6x) Vista > (Marketing skip) Seven > Seven (with patches) Added real 64 bit support, native IPv6, No longer Administrator as default user.
(8x) 8, 8.1, 9 (Tablet interface, SSD support, 'Metro'/RT)

Why didn't they just listen to users? (5, Informative)

ZorinLynx (31751) | about a month ago | (#47352867)

I know, ridiculous, right?

Microsoft could have avoided all this mess by simply listening to people who were beta testing and using 8 and complaining about the horrible start screen. I'm sure they got PILES of feedback, but they were so stubborn they even went out of their way to keep people from bringing back the traditional start menu.

What happened to listening to your customers? To providing options? Historically MS has always been all about that, and *Apple* has been the "our way, or the highway" company. It was really strange to see things reversed for Windows 8.

Also, MS really should break free of their "we are the only OS that exists" philosophy. Other operating systems support a wide variety of filesystems and networking protocols out of the box. Windows still only supports its own and assumes nothing else exists. It's time to knock that shit off, Microsoft.

Re:Why didn't they just listen to users? (1)

nine-times (778537) | about a month ago | (#47353137)

It really makes me wonder if Ballmer was somehow the source of the problem. I feel like Microsoft has been a little less evil since the new guy took over.

Re:Why didn't they just listen to users? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353209)

And it also irritates the hell out of me. Just as 7 was just a glorified patch for Vista that made it more useable while simultaneously changing the name to avoid that baggage. Windows 9 looks like it will be nothing but the same.

One interesting thing is that I had a relative buy a new computer and it is kind of amazing how much the useability of 8 went up with each patch. But then again, should it really have taken months of patches for the full screen apps to get a close button or do two apps side-by-side (like the much hailed snap feature)?

Re:Why didn't they just listen to users? (4, Interesting)

sttlmark (737942) | about a month ago | (#47353237)

Sinofsky happened, that's why. I'm sure there were people who raised red flags internally prior to Windows8's release, but Sinofsky was so hellbent on making MS a "devices & services" company that he ignored any feedback that didn't mesh with his vision.

Now he's gone, and MS has to undo his mess and spin it as innovation... So now we see MS shills writing things like this FTFA:

In order to do this, Microsoft is working on including in Threshold lots of new features specifically aimed at "desktop" users, meaning those who interact primarily with their Windows computing device from a desktop or laptop PC with mouse/keyboard and optional touch.

Note how "desktop" is in quotes as if this group is a fringe subset of its users instead of the 95% of its users who were completely alienated.

Why didn't they just listen to users? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353275)

Last time they listened, we got clippy. An earlier version of clippy was in the user tests, and users loved it: it was useful, funny, and typically anticipated what they needed help for. They were so happy, Microsoft turned it up.

2015 is too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352881)

How many users they will lose to iOS and Android in a whole year?

iOS and Android on the desktop? / big screen? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a month ago | (#47352917)

iOS and Android on the desktop? / big screen?

Android can do Multi-Window. Ios needs an hack to do that.

But, will they learn from their mistake? (1)

linebackn (131821) | about a month ago | (#47352893)

While it is nice to see Microsoft undo a horrific mistake for once, lets not be too quick to forgive and forget. (And don't even start until the gold release of Windows 9 is sitting on user's desktops)

The fact that Microsoft created this monster in the first place should tell you something about the remaining competence level there. You should be worried about their long-term stability. What is to keep them from pulling a similar stunt on you in Windows 10?

Re:But, will they learn from their mistake? (0)

fullmetal55 (698310) | about a month ago | (#47353167)

Windows 7 made everyone forgive and forget the monstrosity that was Vista... XP made everyone forgive and forget the monstrosity that was Windows ME... Vista and ME are about 100x worse than windows 8 ime. at least Windows 8 can run with some stability. and the start screen (the biggest problem) can be easily and safely ignored with 8.1... (I haven't even seen it in over 2 months.)

windows 8.1 runs smoothly and quickly on my 3 year old i5, and has been rock solid. I've never had a vista install last, and don't get me started on ME. I installed it, and less than a month I was getting nothing but daily blue screens. I've never once seen a blue screen in 8.1. (I have in 7)

Also, I've been around for quite a while. I remember when XP came out. the outcry against the new start menu was just as bad as the outcry about the start screen is currently. People called it a monstrosity, and how could they remove the my computer icon from the desktop. how dare they... granted they had the classic start menu still there, but the default was "unacceptable".

Heck Windows 95 came out to much arguing and angst as well. "Windows 95 won't run on my 386, what a piece of junk! who needs this fancy GUI anyway, why can't I just boot it to DOS and run the gui when I need to!" "I have to click 'start' to shut my computer down? What kind of nonsense is this?" "windows 95 will flop!"

Coming back more recently... Windows 7... the removal of the quick launch toolbar... i can't begin to tell you how many people were pissed off about that. (I personally find pinning to the task bar a more acceptable way to handle it than a quick launch tool bar, but try to explain that to some people...

Any change Microsoft makes is called a "horrific mistake"... but people will get used to it. and things continue as they always have. the hold-outs will find work-arounds. but eventually it'll work out.

Alt-Ctl-Del (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352903)

Alt-Ctl-Del

I've heard that suggested before as a fix.

to bad (2)

Renozuken (3499899) | about a month ago | (#47352939)

everyone and their grandmothers has windows 7 and won't be switching till whenever support ends for it (and everyone wonders why they didn't stop years before).

Re:to bad (1)

iggymanz (596061) | about a month ago | (#47353119)

end of extended support is January 14, 2020; so for five and a half years we windows 7 users aren't going to budge

Windows 8.1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352941)

Count me in the minority but I actually like the Start Screen, even on a touchless interface. Boot to desktop, and my frequently used applications are all pinned to the taskbar. For everything else, I've found that a well organized Start Screen beats cascading through nested Start Menu levels any day.

I hated the Start Menu back when it was introduced in Windows 95. I actually preferred Program Manager. The Start Screen brings back that feel, with everything I use readily displayed.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352957)

Kind of what you can already do in Windows 8 with classic shell and oldnewexplorer?
Will it bring back Aero, though? That was my main reason for not upgrading, the flat colors are fugly as hell. Currently on 8.1 with a custom theme right now... wouldn't want to do that on win9.

Windows 7 end of life... (4, Insightful)

QuietLagoon (813062) | about a month ago | (#47352971)

The end of life for Windows 7 is not until January 14, 2020 [microsoft.com] . Windows 7 is working OK for me.

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Why in the world would I want to give Microsoft more money just to stay on the Microsoft Upgrade Treadmill©?

Re:Windows 7 end of life... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353113)

The end of life for Windows 7 is not until January 14, 2020 [microsoft.com] . Windows 7 is working OK for me.

Linux is working better than OK for me.
Why in the world would I want to give Microsoft money?

Re:Windows 7 end of life... (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a month ago | (#47353157)

In case you're buying a new PC, you may wish to get 9 instead of 7 if it turns out to be good.

If you're a business, you may wish to upgrade to 9 instead of 7 from XP. And maybe eventually to 9 at some point if you're already on 7.

Re:Windows 7 end of life... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353179)

Well, if you are a business, they force you to upgrade to maintain AD, sharepoint, Linq, etc. ties to Azure, etc.

Re:Windows 7 end of life... (1)

AnOnyxMouseCoward (3693517) | about a month ago | (#47353197)

I wouldn't, and never have, but I think at least part of it has to do with hardware sales and partners.

I'm dreading the day my laptop dies, and I know people who don't know what to do now and turned to Mac because they couldn't stand Windows 8 (the mother-in-law preferred learning Mac rather than deal with Win8, seriously. She bought a Win8 laptop when her old HP from like 2005 died, and returned it within the week.) That probably doesn't sit well with partners like Intel, Dell, etc, and limits sales of both hardware and software.

Hmm... (2)

sootman (158191) | about a month ago | (#47352987)

I wonder what reason they'll use to justify pulling it back out of Windows 10?

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353203)

I wonder what reason they'll use to justify pulling it back out of Windows 10?

I don't know what excuse they will/would use, but if they do that, that's the point when people, and the industry, says "fuck it, let's use Chromebooks, Android, Ubuntu, SuSE, DogShitOS - anything but Windows".

Windows? Nein! (0)

wcrowe (94389) | about a month ago | (#47352997)

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. :-)

Re:Windows? Nein! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353077)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69RllXjCL6o

(click subtitles to see them)

How to fix Windows (1, Insightful)

bswarm (2540294) | about a month ago | (#47353101)

Install Linux

Re:How to fix Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353267)

The solution to a problem is not replacing it with a bigger problem, Sir Troll.

Subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353109)

Apple likes to surprise and delight.

Microsoft likes to disturb and annoy.

MS, listen to me. Most (60%) of users simply want hardware and software to run legacy applications and hardware acesssories. Stop breaking things!

JJ

Will it win over XP users? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353153)

Maybe Windows X will be as popular as XP.

Separate SKUs? (1)

bwwatr (3520289) | about a month ago | (#47353211)

It's long been a common complaint that Microsoft has too many SKUs for each version of Windows, and I agree. Vista went way too far on that, and if we ignore "RT", Win 8 was more a reasonable Home/Pro/Enterprise - and I don't know if they had upgrade/oem/retail sub-varieties. It's surely the wrong approach to divide up the functionality by SKU here. Instead, why can't Windows look at the hardware and make educated guesses as to the default behaviors, and then let users customize? Ballmer liked to criticize Google for developing multiple operating systems instead of a single strategic platform, but Microsoft is famous for this crap.

It's Microsoft, they'll mess it up somehow (1)

BenSchuarmer (922752) | about a month ago | (#47353235)

they're probably going to bring Clippy back or something like that

Cancel Christmas (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a month ago | (#47353265)

HP and Dell can give up any hope of a nice Santa Rally in sales this holiday season - for the third year in a row. A shame they took so long to get invested in Android. Samsung and LG are going to clean up this year.

A turd (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47353285)

Is a turd, no matter how they colour it, and we sure do not want it.

Look (1)

mugetsu37 (1485997) | about a month ago | (#47353299)

I didn't mind the start screen as much as everybody else. I didn't like it, but I could work with it. The problem I had with 8 is that, when I tried to customize my desktop to fit my uses and upgrade everything, something would inevitably break along the way. I could be a day, a week, even a month invested in the operating system, but then something would break. But in a way that would make it impossible for my system to actually start. I want to like the new things, Microsoft, but I can't just leave it be and hope it works for the best.
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