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Plasma 5 Release Candidate Announced

Soulskill posted about 5 months ago | from the test-before-it's-too-late dept.

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sfcrazy writes: The KDE Community has announced the first release of Plasma 5. It's a release candidate, so it's meant for testing and preview purposes, like the developer preview of Android L. The final release will be announced next week, so this is the last chance for testers and developers to find issues and get them fixed before the release.

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XFCE (2)

corychristison (951993) | about 5 months ago | (#47413087)

Anyone else notice its starting to look more like XFCE?

Gnome 3 (3, Funny)

DrYak (748999) | about 5 months ago | (#47413337)

Would you have preferred that it looks more like Gnome3 ?!

Re:Gnome 3 (1, Insightful)

corychristison (951993) | about 5 months ago | (#47413343)

No. I actually really like XFCE. Why not just use XFCE? Less bloat.

Re:Gnome 3 (3, Interesting)

xyzzymage (3415857) | about 5 months ago | (#47413547)

I use KDE in large part because it separates the window element/widget design (checkboxes, etc.) from the colors, and lets me control what color everything is -- the defaults that KDE, Xfce, etc. all pick tend to be so low-color & high/low-contrast that they give me headaches. I also generally prefer KDE because of the little useful touches like the easily-added/programmed extra context menu actions in the file manager, integration of KDE-Look, and things like that.

Re: Gnome 3 (1)

corychristison (951993) | about 5 months ago | (#47415933)

Just want to point out Thunar (the XFCE file manager) also has easily added context menu actions.

I understand the desire for configurability, though. I use Gentoo/Funtoo personally. I have found XFCE to strike a great balance between configurable, stable, and lightweight. I'm not one for flashy, animated windows and effects though. That is in XFCE to a degree.

The last time I used KDE was 3.5(I think), so maybe I should revisit it when 5.0 is out.

Re: Gnome 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47417301)

I used XFCE on Gentoo for a couple years. It was great, but I haven't missed it since moving to KDE.

Re:Gnome 3 (1, Interesting)

camg188 (932324) | about 5 months ago | (#47413741)

Users want features and stability.
Current devices have so much power and capacity that the average user is not concerned about bloat.

Re:Gnome 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47416605)

Unless the bloat eats all resources like nepomuk or baloo have done for some users.

Re:Gnome 3 (2, Informative)

armanox (826486) | about 5 months ago | (#47413907)

Because I much prefer Qt to GTK?

Re:Gnome 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47414845)

But one can only use Qt from C++?

Re:Gnome 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47415573)

Umm... no

Re:Gnome 3 (1)

rdnetto (955205) | about 5 months ago | (#47419501)

But one can only use Qt from C++?

...and 16 other languages [wikipedia.org] .

Re: Gnome 3 (1)

corychristison (951993) | about 5 months ago | (#47416017)

Have you looked at or tried LXQt?

Re:Gnome 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47450773)

KDE has the best apps anyway. Using XFCE just bloats up KDE.

Re:Gnome 3 (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 5 months ago | (#47413579)

Would you have preferred that it looks more like Gnome3 ?!

Yes. Yes I would. But I think it's a good thing that KDE is doing their own thing first and foremost.

Re:XFCE (1)

qubezz (520511) | about 5 months ago | (#47417687)

Anyone else notice its starting to look more like XKCD? [xkcd.com]

No way to distinguish which is the active window. (3, Insightful)

dotancohen (1015143) | about 5 months ago | (#47413113)

Which is the active window in the official screenshot:
http://kde.org/announcements/p... [kde.org]

It looks like usability took a back seat to "Apple-like" flat, monochromatic design on this one.

Re:No way to distinguish which is the active windo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413139)

there's got to be something wrong with that screenshot... or perhaps it's a case of focus follow mouse or something because the active window should have the stupid glow.. but in the picture the window in the background is the one glowing. I think my head hurts trying to figure it out.

Re:No way to distinguish which is the active windo (2)

rkoot (557181) | about 5 months ago | (#47413143)

Well, I can actually tell quite easily that the 'system settings' window (the one in the back) is the active one. In the taskbar the blue underlining tells you what's active. Plus you can tell since the windows' title is greyed when not active.

configurability (2, Interesting)

DrYak (748999) | about 5 months ago | (#47413341)

And, this being KDE, by the time it's accepted in mainstream, it's going to be configurable, so you can make it paint the title bar of active application in neon pink, if you want.

configurability (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47416177)

The problem with the official screenshot is that the presenter has set the active window either "below others" mode or then he has "focus follows mouse" what doesn't raise active window without click -mode.

But normally the active window will pass above others.

No way to distinguish which is the active window. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413237)

No, focus follow pointer and raise on click is a common and very old UI style that a lot of people prefer.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's configurable though.

Re:No way to distinguish which is the active windo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413389)

Not to mention ass-loads of wasted space, a KDE specialty. Really? Your fucking selectors need to be 5 times larger than the text inside them? FUCKING IDIOTS.

Re:No way to distinguish which is the active windo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413475)

I like to have large areas to point at, thank you very much. If you don't like the size, change it *once* and in the future it will remember the size of the window. If you want to do some deeper hacking you can also change spacing of different kinds with stylesheets.

And another thing: Your point is not strengthened by the type of language that you use. Just saying...

Re:No way to distinguish which is the active windo (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413505)

Larger areas present easier targets to hit quickly and accurately. This is important with the mouse as well as touch, because making all your UI elements too small makes everything slower to use while you're trying to hit a tiny target.

See also: Fitts' Law.

"Fitts's law (often cited as Fitts' law) is a model of human movement primarily used in human–computer interaction and ergonomics that predicts that the time required to rapidly move to a target area is a function of the distance to the target and the size of the target. Fitts's law is used to model the act of pointing, either by physically touching an object with a hand or finger, or virtually, by pointing to an object on a computer monitor using a pointing device. It was proposed by Paul Fitts in 1954."

Re:No way to distinguish which is the active windo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413767)

Lighten up, Francis.

Re:No way to distinguish which is the active windo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413953)

But of course the huge buttons are needed, as we all use our computers via touchscreens, duh.

Re:No way to distinguish which is the active windo (1)

xyzzymage (3415857) | about 5 months ago | (#47413641)

I knew something looked buggered about that image, but I couldn't figure out what -- I was too distracted by frustration at the equally user-hostile oversimplified flat outline icons.

What's worse is that it's so awful without even including the planned window decorations, which someone on the team posted to OpenDesktop in April [opendesktop.org] . Imagining the two put together...not pleasant.

Re:No way to distinguish which is the active windo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413663)

reminds me of when I saw Visual Studio 2013 for the first time, physical pain in my eyes (that's what I get for using a bright monitor I suppose...)

Re:No way to distinguish which is the active windo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413867)

I guess you don't use KDE 4 much. The active window cues haven't changed since KDE 4.1 or maybe even 4.0.

Re:No way to distinguish which is the active windo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413859)

The one in the background, titled "System Settings". Two clues:
1) The title of the foreground window is greyed out, while the one in the background is not.
2) There is a blue line above the active window in the task manager.

This screenshot was taken on a system that was configured for focus follows mouse. This means that the active window won't always be in the foreground. Believe me when I say that it makes a lot more sense when you see it in use. Moreover, it looks like the active window cues haven't changed since KDE 4.1 or maybe even 4.0. I guess you're not a regular user of KDE 4?

Re:No way to distinguish which is the active windo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47414139)

It looks like usability took a back seat to "Apple-like" flat, monochromatic design on this one.

IMHO, which is not a bad decision at all. Flat avoids syntactic sugar in form of 3d etc. is usually faster and consumes less resources, how that could be worse?

As is usually whatever gives you more real estate to application windows that you work on. I like very much OS X style of having zero width window borders, which actually shadows underneath windows, but not prevent you grabbing from there. It's just great. Also self-hiding scrollbars are great.

I'm far from being Apple fanboy, and don't like the direction they are heading with closed garden etc. But they have done some great work on GUI, like above, on OS X desktop and it would be good to welcome that on Linux desktops too. Now if we just got as good multigesture capbable touchpads that are on MBP's on PC's I'd propably switch back my primary desktop before I get too frustrated with Apple's drive on subsequent OS X versions not just GUI minimalism, which I like, but actually removing almost all configurabilty and very useful functionality to advanced users underneath too which is real shame :/

Android L? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413157)

Who gives a shit about Android L? Are Slashdotters too dumb to know what a release candidate is now?

Re:Android L? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47414829)

Who gives a shit about Android L? Are Slashdotters too dumb to know what a release candidate is now?

Dice is just trying to reach out to everyone that may not know what an RC is. Of course, this will just drive oldschoolers even further away from /.

KDE announces releases... (1)

EzInKy (115248) | about 5 months ago | (#47413227)

....that are not releases. Really wish they would stop that. I went to XFCE with the great "4" announcement. that screwed up everything that I expect a finished window manager to do. Anyway, isn't this a dupe? [slashdot.org]

Re:KDE announces releases... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413347)

No, it's not a dupe. This is the RC for the Plasma shell, the desktop environment. The article you've linked to is for the final release of the libraries that can extend Qt programs. KDE has broken itself up into different parts with individual release cycles. Porting all the KDE applications to Qt 5 is likewise a seperate endevour.

Re:KDE announces releases... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413479)

Er, to be precise: The KDE community has broken up their set of libraries (kdelibs) into separate libraries (Frameworks) with clear dependencies. KDE, the community, is still whole. :)

Re:KDE announces releases... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413627)

KDE didn't announce a release, Slashdot did. In the KDE announcement it clearly says RC not release. An RC is usually the last build before a release, unless a major last minute bug comes up. Some blogger mixed up the terminology.

It's just a theme... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413443)

Odds are your distro will create it's own default theme if this one proves unpopular.

Tested the ISO and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47413815)

Tested the ISO and I see more of the same as before.
Kashew turned into a hamburger menu but still it cannot be removed. It's menu appears under windows so it's useless if there is any window close to it.
Option for classic menu launcher removed. Again, forcing settings to users.
Task bar has another hamburger menu that does the same than clicking on the bar with right menu button and selecting "Panel Settings" from pop up menu. Is this really used so often that it needs it's own icon wasting space on the task bar?

Re:Tested the ISO and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47417621)

Tested the ISO and I see more of the same as before.
Kashew turned into a hamburger menu but still it cannot be removed. It's menu appears under windows so it's useless if there is any window close to it.

The cashew is actually useful. It's a small price to pay for being able to configure the right click on the desktop.
I remember people removing the cashew via a hack and then accidentally disabling the right click menu. They could not configure their desktop any more.
Sure the Plasma team could implement a "if right-click menu active, then don't show cashew", but it's too much effort for something you can easily hide behind a panel.

Option for classic menu launcher removed. Again, forcing settings to users.

They are implementing [google.com] a way to change between plasmoids that have the same function that's more general than the right click menu entry from Plasma 4.
Anyway for the time being you can manually replace the Kickoff menu by a more classic one.

Task bar has another hamburger menu that does the same than clicking on the bar with right menu button and selecting "Panel Settings" from pop up menu. Is this really used so often that it needs it's own icon wasting space on the task bar?

It's a visual indicator that your widgets are unlocked. Lock them and the hamburger vanishes (just like the Plasma 4 version).

FFS, that's not what a release candidate is (2)

Bogtha (906264) | about 5 months ago | (#47414309)

It's a release candidate, so it's meant for testing and preview purposes, like the developer preview of Android L.

If you label something as a release candidate, what you are saying is "we think this has been completely finished. Everybody check it out, and if we haven't screwed up, we'll rename it as the final version". Hence the name - it's a candidate for release. "Release candidate" is not another name for "preview" or "beta".

This is the kind of crap that gave KDE 4 such a bad reputation. Labelling things as done when they are still major works in progress. If you don't think it's finished, don't call it a release candidate. Don't label it as a new major version. If it's not finished, then it's neither of those things.

Re:FFS, that's not what a release candidate is (1)

Dragonslicer (991472) | about 5 months ago | (#47414813)

This is the kind of crap that gave KDE 4 such a bad reputation. Labelling things as done when they are still major works in progress. If you don't think it's finished, don't call it a release candidate. Don't label it as a new major version. If it's not finished, then it's neither of those things.

That's completely true. The worst part is that it isn't the fault of the KDE developers. Your quote isn't in the release announcement, it's in the writeup on some website that most likely doesn't have any connection to the KDE developers (or, apparently, a clue). The release announcement says, "This is one last chance to test for bugs and check for problems before the final release next week." That is what a release candidate is.

KDE 4.0 was pretty much the same way. The developers proclaimed quite loudly that it was not meant for everyday desktop use, but that they felt it necessary to call it 4.0 so that the API would be frozen (this decision is certainly debatable). A few Linux distributions took software that they were clearly told was not ready for end users and gave it to end users.

Re:FFS, that's not what a release candidate is (1)

Bogtha (906264) | about 5 months ago | (#47415205)

KDE 4.0 was pretty much the same way. The developers proclaimed quite loudly that it was not meant for everyday desktop use. A few Linux distributions took software that they were clearly told was not ready for end users and gave it to end users.

There wasn't a single hint of this in the official release announcement [kde.org] and they were pushing it like crazy to end-users. Quote:

The KDE 4 Desktop has gained some major new capabilities. The Plasma desktop shell offers a new desktop interface, including panel, menu and widgets on the desktop as well as a dashboard function. KWin, the KDE Window manager, now supports advanced graphical effects to ease interaction with your windows.

KDE 4.0 is the innovative Free Software desktop containing lots of applications for every day use as well as for specific purposes.

The idea that KDE 4.0 wasn't intended for end-users and that the developers were clear about this was just an excuse they fell back on when it became apparent 4.0 was a miserable failure in the eyes of end-users.

The cause of the problem was a piss-poor attitude towards release management compounded with a complete inability to take responsibility for their choices. Yes, I'm aware of all the excuses, but they don't hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. Read that press release. Can you honestly say that's warning non-developers to stay away?

Re:FFS, that's not what a release candidate is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47415957)

Love how you just can take a single message, completely out of context, quote a bunch of text which is perfectly true, and claim it says anything about your use case.

Your bullshit is old, has been debunked multiple times over and ultimately boils down to nothing but hot air from the camp of the other, abandoned desktop which nobody longer cares about. You know, the one which rather fittingly uses a smelly foot for logotype.

Go be bitter somewhere else, loser.

Re:FFS, that's not what a release candidate is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47417989)

Nail -> head.

Re:FFS, that's not what a release candidate is (1)

Bogtha (906264) | about 5 months ago | (#47418085)

Love how you just can take a single message, completely out of context, quote a bunch of text which is perfectly true, and claim it says anything about your use case.

It was a release announcement, it wasn't out of context, and it was entirely relevant.

Your bullshit is old, has been debunked multiple times over

How could you debunk the point I'm making when all I have to do is link to their own release announcement and point out what it says directly disagrees with you?

nothing but hot air from the camp of the other, abandoned desktop

Nope, I was using KDE from the 1.0 betas all the way to the 4.0 betas. I only switched to GNOME after the KDE 4 debacle, and I found that even worse and ended up moving off Linux altogether.

Re:FFS, that's not what a release candidate is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47452135)

Nothing you posted says it is ready for general release.

Not only was it common knowledge that 4.0 was NOT for general release. The devs posted about it constantly.

Butthurt loser troll is fucking obvious.

Design (1)

qzxcvbnm (3747645) | about 4 months ago | (#47460795)

Good news! But I think, that KDE >=4.10 design is better than KDE5's one. IMHO, it's too bright and flat.
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