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Reno Selected For Tesla Motors Battery Factory

samzenpus posted about 2 months ago | from the start-it-up dept.

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First time accepted submitter Mikenan writes Tesla has finally decided that it will build its battery "gigafactory" in Nevada, sources say. "That's a go, but they are still negotiating the specifics of the contract," a source within the Nevada's governor's office told CNBC Wednesday afternoon. The source noted that it could be a week before the deal is official. Nevada is planning a press conference Thursday in Carson City.

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CARson City (5, Funny)

MildlyTangy (3408549) | about 2 months ago | (#47820093)

Now we know why Nevada was chosen.

CARson City.

Makes total sense.

Re:CARson City (1)

Iamthecheese (1264298) | about 2 months ago | (#47820169)

Well, super, mega, and ultra were all used up, what prefix would you suggest?

Re:CARson City (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820247)

Kill yourself.

Re:CARson City (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 2 months ago | (#47820725)

Kill yourself.

I shot a man in Reno,
Just to watch him die...

Re:CARson City (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47821399)

Hey, I shot a man in Reno, too. He got better.

CARson City... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820417)

Also known as 'Little Detroit' or perhaps 'Son of CAR' :)

Re:CARson City (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820759)

That and the fact that Reno is just a few hours from Palo Alto and, more importantly, is not located in California.

Re:CARson City (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820867)

more importantly, is not located in California.

The best reason of all besides gambling and hookers.

Re:CARson City (2)

AutodidactLabrat (3506801) | about 2 months ago | (#47821271)

Yeah, by all means, use toxic materials in a place so unimportant that they have REFUSED to have a nuclear waste dump in their back yard.
Oh, wait...there goes your argument
Real reason for Reno? Land, labor are DIRT cheap since the opening of "indian" casinos in Cali.
And we all know about the Laxault class influence buying in Wide Open Republican Nevada, the state built with Mob Money.

Re:CARson City (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47821279)

No it's typical Californian hypocrisy. Lower taxes.

Re:CARson City (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47821769)

They should rename it "taxbreak city" because you just know this is going to cost taxpayers a fortune.

Stop Making Up Words! (0, Troll)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 months ago | (#47820095)

WTF is a "gigafactory?"

Is it somehow different than any other kind of factory? Or is it a made-up word designed to satisfy some narcissists ego?

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (2)

50000BTU_barbecue (588132) | about 2 months ago | (#47820131)

Dude he can call it "cucumber" if he wants as long as it creates actual STEM jobs in North America.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820165)

unless that M stands for manufacturing (hint: it doesn't), it won't.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (4, Funny)

Kohath (38547) | about 2 months ago | (#47820395)

Cucumber factory only has stem-removal jobs.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (2, Interesting)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 months ago | (#47820435)

Dude, all the STEM jobs in the world won't matter if they only hire H1B visa holders to work them.

I wonder if Tesla is going to start pushing for Mexico to become the next H1B nation, since the factory will be so close to their border...

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820561)

Why ask for visas when 20m are already there illegally?

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (3, Informative)

kamapuaa (555446) | about 2 months ago | (#47820565)

Am I missing something? Reno is a ten hour drive [google.com] from Mexico.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 2 months ago | (#47821247)

Am I missing something? Reno is a ten hour drive from Mexico.

. . . that's why the government is relocating the illegal alien kids close to Reno . . . cheap child labor for Tesla! They wanted real aliens from nearby Area 51, but there was a tooling problem with the factory, because the real aliens only have three fingers!

The new Tesla batteries will still be built using alien technology from Area 51, though. I don't want to be an alarmist or anything, but if your Tesla is dripping black goo, don't touch it . . . it might not be regular black oil!

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820567)

You manufacturer in Guadalajara then. Much better infrastructure there. Absolutely no point in using H1B from Mexico, unless you are trying to end run around american security concerns.

Also, Reno is really far away from the border (Louisiana and Arkansas are closer)

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (3, Informative)

lgw (121541) | about 2 months ago | (#47820767)

OK, obviously there' selection bias in play here, but I've never worked for a large dev shop that preferred HBB workers over workers that didn't require sponsorship. There are certainly H1B-only shops that exist (in defiance of the law) to exploit young workers, but those are contract-only shops (they only do contract work for other businesses). If you're keeping it legal, H1B workers aren't any cheaper (including legal costs).

I have worked for places that had 80-90% of their developers working in India and/or China. That saves money. I'm happy to compete with anyone who works and lives in the US - we all have the same expenses (and I don't send half my paycheck back home).

None of which has to do with manufacturing, of course. Tesla does use some H1Bs for software development (friend of mine's wife works there), but AFAIK they're like most places and pay competitively.
 

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

TomGreenhaw (929233) | about 2 months ago | (#47821199)

I'd bet on a shit ton of robots as opposed to lot's of low salary people.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (2)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 2 months ago | (#47820655)

Dude he can call it "cucumber" if he wants as long as it creates actual STEM jobs in North America.

Once it's built it will probably only employee low-paid assembly line workers and some managers.

(Which isn't STEM, but may still be an improvement on the way the USA has been hedded for the past few decades.)

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 2 months ago | (#47820797)

Factories need industrial engineers, not just assembly-line workers. No, you don't need a ton of IEs to run a factory, but still, there's some there. You also need engineers to do the design, testing, etc. (though some of that may be at their main location in California).

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (5, Funny)

Dynotrick (947014) | about 2 months ago | (#47820141)

WTF is a "gigafactory?"

Is it somehow different than any other kind of factory? Or is it a made-up word designed to satisfy some narcissists ego?

It's the opposite of a nanofactory.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

kruach aum (1934852) | about 2 months ago | (#47820147)

It's a billion factories. That's what he must mean, because giga- used as a prefix has a set, specific meaning.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820205)

Unless you build disk drives... Then who knows?

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 months ago | (#47821067)

If you build hard drives it's 1,000,000,000
If you build RAM it's 1,073,741,824 or anything else remotely related to a power of 2 (last I checked hard drives didn't have address lines) and would be called a GiBiFactory

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 months ago | (#47820289)

"Gigas" and "gigantism". Two words with the giga prefix that don't meet your set, specific meaning. Your rule is broken.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (3, Informative)

sumdumass (711423) | about 2 months ago | (#47820381)

Hmm.. "Prefix".. I'm not sure that word means what you think it means. At least the two examples you gave do not fit.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 months ago | (#47820557)

Looking at the dictionary it means exactly what I thought it did.

But given your limited idea of what it means, who says it fits "gigafactory". Hmm?

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 months ago | (#47821101)

Are you saying it's not actually a factory, but something completely different called a "Gigafactory"?
If you think "giga" is a prefix in the words "Gigas" and "gigantism", you think "s" and "ntism" are words. Sorry, they're not.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (0)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 months ago | (#47821299)

Are you saying it's not actually a factory, but something completely different called a "Gigafactory"?

Someone called Cooper doesn't necessarily make barrels. A Mini-Cooper isn't a small barrel maker.

It's a factory called "The Gigafactory". And Giga isn't a prefix in that sense as its a proper noun, not a type of factory.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47821117)

A prefix is an affix which is placed before the stem of a word.

You honestly believe that "s" is a word?

Re: Stop Making Up Words! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820981)

Oh come on, we all know what a prefix is. It's the first part of a word. As an example, "pref" is the first part of "prefix", thus its meaning: "to prefer 9s".

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (2)

kruach aum (1934852) | about 2 months ago | (#47820693)

In neither of those words does giga serve as a prefix.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (-1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 months ago | (#47820773)

No less and no more than in the proper noun "Gigafactory".

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (2)

kruach aum (1934852) | about 2 months ago | (#47820837)

Now I am concerned about your mastery of negation in English.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (-1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 months ago | (#47820935)

Be concerned for your own understanding of English.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | about 2 months ago | (#47820167)

It is to show the size of the factory. From the article, it is supposed to produce "35 GWh." worth of batteries. I assume that is per year, but they are a bit coy on that detail.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (4, Funny)

i kan reed (749298) | about 2 months ago | (#47820273)

35 GWh/Year isn't fooling me!!!

That's only 4 megawatts!

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

Kohath (38547) | about 2 months ago | (#47820175)

I agree. Say NO to those linguogogues and their linguomorphic practices!!!

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 months ago | (#47820213)

It's a factory the makes gigawatts worth of batteries.
Duhr.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 months ago | (#47820241)

We should certainly NOT stop making up words. We don't want a dead language thank you very much. Here, watch this:

http://www.ted.com/talks/erin_... [ted.com]

In any case, it's not "a gigafactory" it's "The Gigafactory". It's a proper name. Tesla can call it what they like, just as you can call any children you have exactly what you want.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 months ago | (#47820421)

In any case, it's not "a gigafactory" it's "The Gigafactory". It's a proper name.

Well then, somebody needs to tell the media, because they sure do like treating it as a common noun.

Tesla can call it what they like, just as you can call any children you have exactly what you want.

Not exactly true. [jonathanturley.org]

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 2 months ago | (#47820805)

Well then, somebody needs to tell the media, because they sure do like treating it as a common noun.

Today's media can't even spell words properly or use proper grammar; it shouldn't be too surprising that they'd screw up Tesla's factory name.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 months ago | (#47821123)

There's nothing stopping you calling your child "Gigachild"

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

sumdumass (711423) | about 2 months ago | (#47821567)

You mean other than the fact people will think Kim "Dot Com" was the father or something right?

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 2 months ago | (#47820285)

Because Elon Musk.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about 2 months ago | (#47820317)

Let me only reply to the topic for a second.

Making up words is healthy. It's a necessary part of communicating sometimes. Especially when it's just dropping a prefix onto a word to help establish one of its primary qualities(in this case, scale).

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 2 months ago | (#47820619)

WTF is a "gigafactory?"

A factory that makes giants.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820631)

Newsflash: All Words are Made Up!

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (2)

jason.sweet (1272826) | about 2 months ago | (#47820753)

WTF is a "gigafactory?"

It gets it's power from lightning striking the clock tower of Reno City Hall.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (3, Funny)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 months ago | (#47821135)

That would be a Jiggafactory.

Re:Stop Making Up Words! (1)

TomGreenhaw (929233) | about 2 months ago | (#47821187)

Maybe its because they will be building billions of batteries?

If a car need 8000 batteries, that's 125,000 cars. Its a believable number for sure.

This company would be nowhere without handouts... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820193)

Making money from "emissions credits" and "carbon credits". Constant need for taxpayer subsidies. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Tesla lose money on each car it manufactures? And only makes a profit when the cars are subsidized with "credits" and taxpayer money? Why is this company selling cars for less-than-profit at retail?

If it wasn't for the government connections this company wouldn't be able to generate a profit on its own. It needs tax breaks and emissions credits to survive. This is just someone who is politically connected getting the government to give his company favorable loans and lean on other corporations and tax them with penalties to assist a rival company. Is no one here bothered by the corruption? Or is it acceptable because of Elon Musk's political leanings?

Re:This company would be nowhere without handouts. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820307)

And I'm sure that douchelord scumbag Harry Reid is still trying to pull the sheets out of his ass because he got his dick sucked so hard!

Re:This company would be nowhere without handouts. (5, Interesting)

AaronW (33736) | about 2 months ago | (#47820309)

Tesla is making over 25% profit on every car sold. All of that money is going into growth and expansion. While they get emission credits, they don't rely on them since they are shrinking.

That's not what MotherJones says (3, Informative)

Tailhook (98486) | about 2 months ago | (#47820469)

From 11 months [motherjones.com] ago:

But make no mistake: Tesla still relies on subsidies to stay in the black. Its first-quarter profit, a modest $11 million, hinged on the $68 million it earned selling clean-air credits under a California program that requires automakers to either produce a given number of zero-emission vehicles or satisfy the mandate in some other way. For the second quarter, Tesla announced a $26 million profit (based on one method of accounting), but again the profit hinged on $51 million in ZEV credits; by year's end, these credit sales could net Tesla a whopping $250 million. There are also generous tax credits and rebates for electric-car buyers: $7,500 from the federal government and up to $5,000 if you live in California.

Beyond that, leaving out the HUGE tax credits buyers get for purchasing Telsa cars (10-17% of the price of a Model S) is intellectually dishonest on your part; Tesla would sell far fewer cars and at lower prices with out those extreme tax credits.

Re:That's not what MotherJones says (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820771)

At least, for a change, the government subsidies are going towards something that's somewhat innovating instead of to the oil barons.

Re:That's not what MotherJones says (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820855)

instead of to the oil barons

or boondoggle renewable outfits that vanish in a puff of Al Gore-ian bullshit

Re:That's not what MotherJones says (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820931)

yeah, they get subsidized like everyone else that does something that improves Federal land like building roads. In the mean time, they have to pay royalties for every barrel that they extract. Unlike Tesla, they probably pay more in to the Feds than they get back in "subsidies".

Re:That's not what MotherJones says (5, Informative)

kellymcdonald78 (2654789) | about 2 months ago | (#47821341)

It's possible to generate 25% margin on each car, yet still have the company post a loss (Learn to read an Income Statement). All it requires is the company to re-invest all of that margin (and more) say... building a Gigafactory or other R&D or expansion activities. When you're in a growth phase like Tesla and your overriding objective is to scale the business, you would expect the company to be running on the edge of profitability, simply because every dollar in profit is a dollar that can be used to fund your expansion.

This company would be nowhere without handouts... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820319)

I believe you're confusing the Tesla with the Toyota Prius.

Re:This company would be nowhere without handouts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820495)

You could say the same for traditional fossil fuels, which receive much larger subsidies than electric cars do. In fact, the government could go a long way to helping the environment by simply removing those subsidies, and go even more by putting those subsidies onto solar and wind farms. But even the libertarian approach is better than the status quo.

As a Texan, I say, "Thank you Nevada" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820789)

Nevada, thank you for keeping the high profile, high subsidy demanding factory out of Texas. Our government focuses on bribing low profile companies to bring jobs to Texas, in addition to our low tax rate. Our taxes are too low, we have enough jobs, and a budget deficit. I was afraid our governor would be too interested in grabbing a sexy factory. Whether it was on obstinate legislature, or an even more zealous Nevada subsidies, I am thankful. Maybe our taxes will get raised, and a replacement for 'Robin Hood' can be found.

California Betrayed (2, Informative)

Tailhook (98486) | about 2 months ago | (#47820235)

Nevada; No corporate income tax. Far fewer and less effective environmental and labor pressure groups. How selfish. Who does this Elon think he is refusing to be suckered in with environmental rule waivers [latimes.com] ?

I suspect it's going to take a lot more of this kind of corporate profiteering before the bloom comes off the Telsa rose around here though, and my poor karma will suffer a lot more hits — because fanbois will be fanbois.

Re:California Betrayed (1)

Kohath (38547) | about 2 months ago | (#47820291)

Are you saying you drive a Karma [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:California Betrayed (5, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 2 months ago | (#47820347)

Tesla has the car factor in CA and Elon has a major SpaceX factory there as well.
Betrayed?

Re:California Betrayed (4, Insightful)

HanzoSpam (713251) | about 2 months ago | (#47820857)

Bloom off the rose? There are few things that give me greater pleasure than seeing a leftist parasite howling because it's been deprived of it's host. Go Tesla!

Re:California Betrayed (2)

Deadstick (535032) | about 2 months ago | (#47821197)

Nevada; No corporate income tax.

Nor inventory tax...hence the huge warehouse district in Reno.

Re:California Betrayed (4, Informative)

Daetrin (576516) | about 2 months ago | (#47821435)

Well if California was actually betrayed by anyone, the first blame would have to fall at the feet of the state legislature, which failed to vote on the incentive package before the latest session ended. When the California governor promised Tesla the incentives the company responded with interest, and a few days after those incentives disappeared in puff of legislative smoke Tesla announced their decision to go with Nevada.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/... [usatoday.com]

When the topic first came up on Slashdot [slashdot.org] a number of people seemed to think offering such incentives was a bad idea. Maybe the California legislature agreed with that reasoning, but if they've made any statements about why they did what they did i haven't heard about it.

I'm just glad Crapifornia didn't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820251)

They've broken this nation down with their backward ways.

I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820277)

If Texas had allowed Tesla to sell their cars without the dealership middleman, would the Giga-factory outcome played out differently ?

Another building full of robots? (4, Insightful)

ErichTheRed (39327) | about 2 months ago | (#47820343)

I mean, I guess it's good that they're not manufacturing the batteries in China (batteries are heavy so I guess the shipping outweighs the labor savings) but it sounds like Tesla is just going to pocket a ton of tax credits and other stuff in exchange for putting a building of robot manufacturers in Nevada.

Say what you will, but the middle class needs work. We need something for the vast majority of people who aren't scientists, engineers or politicians to do. That used to be traditional assembly-line manufacturing. After that, it was the millions of people routing documents and reports around large corporations. This next wave of automation is going to put a real crimp on the middle class that it can't easily absorb. Unless people start paying full-salary wages for stupid stuff like rating cat videos or posting on social media, the traditional model of 2-kids-and-a-mortgage is out the window. For the low end, we need something like the steel mills and other factories that would employ thousands of workers in 3 shifts. And for the medium end, we need to preserve at least some of the "corporate drone" jobs. At the risk of sounding like a Luddite, it looks like there's nothing left for the middle of the economy -- it's going to split into ultra low end jobs like cleaning and food service, and high-end jobs like engineering, science, etc. (And I'm guessing management will reserve itself a place in the high end too.)

The problem is, without rolling back a lot of the benefits automation brings, I don't know how we're going to handle the next level of change.

Re:Another building full of robots? (1)

sobiloff (29859) | about 2 months ago | (#47820433)

Local media has said they expect 6,500 new jobs to come from the factory and associated support services, so it's a significant employment boost no matter how many robots are in the factory.

Re:Another building full of robots? (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 months ago | (#47820463)

Local media has said they expect 6,500 new jobs to come from the factory and associated support services, so it's a significant employment boost no matter how many robots are in the factory.

Local media always overplays the number of jobs a new thing brings in; namely, they fail to point out that most of the "new jobs" are temporary ones that exist only during the construction phase.

I want to know exactly how many full-time employees are necessary to run this factory. That should be easily quantifiable for someone who knows the details of the project.

Re:Another building full of robots? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820783)

See sobiloff's follow up post below. 6500 direct factory jobs, 9000 associated.

Re:Another building full of robots? (4, Informative)

sobiloff (29859) | about 2 months ago | (#47820677)

Whoops, 6,500 direct factory jobs, 9,000 associated jobs.

http://www.rgj.com/story/money/reno-rebirth/2014/06/15/reno-rebirth-tesla-game-changer/10406441/

Re:Another building full of robots? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820575)

It makes zero sense to fight large-scale, job-destroying automation. The problem isn't that it kills jobs, the problem is that our society is dead-set that your measure of worth as a person is tied to your capital wealth plus your employability. i.e. it wouldn't be a problem if we were willing to accept a world where half the population was allowed to live unemployed and the other half worked one or two days a week most of the time and maybe a bit more in emergency situations. Sadly, the culture of most western societies is dead-set against this. Which means prepare yourself for the next big social justice struggle that will make all the quibbling about stolen celebrity pictures and harassment of Anita Sarkeesian look like child's play.

Re:Another building full of robots? (3, Insightful)

ErichTheRed (39327) | about 2 months ago | (#47820645)

Right, which is what I was saying -- no one is going to actually support subsidizing unemployment no matter how bad things get. Look at the number of poor and lower-middle class people who idolize the "job creator" class and deride people on unemployment/welfare. People are convinced that just working harder will make them rich -- and no amount of convincing will change that mindset. Unless, of course, 80% of the workforce is unemployed.

I don't have a good answer for this. People who worked like dogs their whole life won't support it because their entire self-worth is based on what they've managed to save in their retirement accounts. People who are working are going to feel like they're subsidizing freeloaders. It's going to be a very ugly 21st century.

Re:Another building full of robots? (1)

Koreantoast (527520) | about 2 months ago | (#47820589)

Unfortunately, that paradigm for large manufacturing employment doesn't work anymore. Even if you could convince every executive in the United States to follow it, the costs would be so high that they would no longer be competitive globally. They would be driven out of business by more nimble and cheaper foreign competitors that either use advanced automation or dirt cheap third world labor. What an automated factory like Tesla is doing is salvaging what it can, keeping what few jobs are left in the United States.

Re:Another building full of robots? (0)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 months ago | (#47820713)

Say what you will, but the middle class needs work. We need something for the vast majority of people who aren't scientists, engineers or politicians to do. That used to be traditional assembly-line manufacturing.

That's working class, not middle class. The managers will qualify as middle class, but not workers on an assembly line.

health care, restaurants, and maids (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820821)

Sadly, I think the 'solution' will be health care, restaurant, hotel, maid, and day care jobs for people that are not rich enough to own robot factories.

Re:Another building full of robots? (3, Funny)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 2 months ago | (#47820825)

Say what you will, but the middle class needs work. We need something for the vast majority of people who aren't scientists, engineers or politicians to do.

Oh please. We can just put everyone to work in retail sales and real estate. We'll all get rich selling houses to each other!

Re:Another building full of robots? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 2 months ago | (#47820881)

Say what you will, but the middle class needs work. We need something for the vast majority of people who aren't scientists, engineers or politicians to do. That used to be traditional assembly-line manufacturing.

You do realize that outside of VERY narrow manufacturing, assembly line jobs suck.

They are NOT middle class jobs. They are unskilled labor jobs that pay basically minimum wage (see unskilled). These are NOT jobs you want because they'[re mind-numbingly boring, dull, and because of that, dangerous.

They automated not just because it saves money and improves quality (read: boring job leads to shit quality), but because workers do not want those jobs. You try putting tab A into slot B for 8 hours a day with 10 seconds to do each part.

To be honest, a housekeeper at a hotel is a more fulfilling job.

Heavy machine assembly - the ones that build trucks and cars - actually is a middle class job that offers variety and an interactive environment.

And there are plenty of jobs for people without university degrees - in fact, trades are very lucrative, and VERY skilled and upper middle class style jobs. They can even pay more than a university graduate because they're hard to outsource, in demand, and in short supply.

Why? Because parents always think "university or bust" and consider the way to success is a white collar job in an office. Blue collar jobs span the spectrum of unskilled labor (basically a monkey) to skilled jobs that range from the usual plumber/electrician/carpenter to coder, web programmer, etc.

The only unskilled jobs that pay well these days are the ones that are highly dangerous - oil rig worker, fisherman, etc.

Re:Another building full of robots? (1)

ksheff (2406) | about 2 months ago | (#47820993)

So is that why businesses are needing to run their own apprentice programs due a lack of skilled labor and vocational colleges are boasting near 100% placement rates of their graduates?

Re:Another building full of robots? (0)

myrdos2 (989497) | about 2 months ago | (#47821547)

This next wave of automation is going to put a real crimp on the middle class that it can't easily absorb.

I often see this argument, and always disagree. Technology has, I believe, reduced the number of farmers from 66% of the population down to 4%. And yet, 62% of the population isn't out of work. Ditto for factories that mass-produce items, making them much more quickly and efficiently than a craftsman could do by hand. What happened is we started buying more stuff. We weren't content with 1900s levels of living, we wanted more. (And probably always will.)

If one man can do the work of five men, it doesn't mean four of them will be out of work. It means we'll buy five times more stuff with the same money, and the environment or any other consequences be damned!

Don't they use a lot of water (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820359)

I may be wrong, but doesn't the production of batteries use a lot of water? Something Nevada is known not to have?

Re:Don't they use a lot of water (1)

David_Hart (1184661) | about 2 months ago | (#47820517)

I may be wrong, but doesn't the production of batteries use a lot of water? Something Nevada is known not to have?

I was thinking the same thing....

They need Electrolytes... So... Brondo???

I made a battery in Reno . . . (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47820397)

. . . just to watch it die.

Well that's a relief (2)

timeOday (582209) | about 2 months ago | (#47820437)

I think Tesla is accomplishing something amazing and revolutionary. At the same time, the selection of a site for this factory has been WAY over-reported (at least here in NM, which was on the list), and watching the states trip over each other to "give away the store" in luring Tesla is just sad, and especially unfair to regular companies who don't have this kind of pull and will never get such sweetheart deals.

Re:Well that's a relief (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 2 months ago | (#47820607)

Anyone can get a sweetheart deal in Nevada. Microsoft and Amazon are already firmly established their.

Nevada's economy is so weak that there was once serious consideration of reverting its rushed statehood.

Re:Well that's a relief (1)

zwede (1478355) | about 2 months ago | (#47821023)

...and watching the states trip over each other to "give away the store" in luring Tesla is just sad, and especially unfair to regular companies who don't have this kind of pull and will never get such sweetheart deals.

This is standard practice for any large business. Texas just gave Toyota tens of millions of dollars in incentives to get them to move their headquarters here.

She was a great AG (1)

greenwow (3635575) | about 2 months ago | (#47820613)

Good to see her back in action even if she screwed-up at Waco by ordering the execution of children.

Re:She was a great AG (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47821283)

Waco was Bush's fault. He left that for Clinton to deal with. Reno was the one that resolved the situation even though a few eggs were broken. The media just went apeshit because they hate lesbians so they attacked her nonstop for years. That is normal for the Republican-ruled media here.

Anway, what in the hell does Reno know about car production? Why did Tesla pick her to run their plant?

Hopefully Calistan will lick its wounds (1, Troll)

gelfling (6534) | about 2 months ago | (#47821013)

And decide no Teslas can be sold there unless they pay a million dollar tax per vehicle.

Yawn (1)

jtara (133429) | about 2 months ago | (#47821153)

You mean that place where they've been building the big factory? That place? The place where work has been ongoing for months?

What a surprise.

nevada the only lithium producing state (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47821217)

Already in a drought. Lithium mining is water intensive.

nah, it's just the drought (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47821537)

They figure Nevada has a better likelihood of providing them water than California does, the way things are going.

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